Who is Jesus of Nazareth?

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Brandon,


I do not really subscribe to any belief.

My attraction to Adrian's site and Forum is a result of Love - as I mentioned before, in another post, and as Freedom agreed... My quest for Truth started long before I met Adrian.

My life events were of such nature that helped me dig deeper into insights. I simply wanted to understand myself, and what happened with me as at some point I understood that I was walking for many years on a path way beneath my potential. Of course even at that time I took full responsibility for everything. 
At all times I was grateful for every enlightening information and the insight it brought.  I had a deep desire to 'change' .. to fix whatever was wrong with me.

Funny that you mention I have actually never stopped to make a record of what helped me along the way. Perhaps I should. The breakthrough happened when I found this book by Emmet Fox entitled "Power through constructive thinking" ..(I don't even remember how many times I mentioned this in this Forum ) - here is a site if you are interested: http://emmetfox.wwwhubs.com/foxspks.htm

However I delved in many other resources, just as every time I would read something in Adrian's book and I would not get I would go and search deeper (i.e. the emerald tablets,  Kabbalah, Buddhism, hermetics, quantum physics, science-fiction junkie, psychology, practical science to name just a few).

All these however and Bible goes along same way are just portals.

Teaching in riddles or rather opening yourself up to them is meant to open up your subjective mind - the logical mind resists this big time. Adrian does a really good job at logically explaining them, however. But you are right I suppose I do introduce confusion, just that it never occurred to me to teach what I've learned, I suppose I would have to quit my day time job.

Also I believe I mentioned before, I make a point to not enter in debates, is a waste of energy. When one functions at that level they put themselves in a beta brain wave state - at this point the individual is closed.

Is impossible to balance and maintain that at all times -. Theres' just to much. Is much easier to "row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream..."



all the Love to you

[TheBaron]

Is impossible to balance and maintain that at all times -. Theres' just to much. Is much easier to "row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream..."

Perhaps so, and I do falter at times, but I would rather try than be swept somewhere I don't want to be.  I have only become stronger, wiser, faster, more intuitive, etc through work.

I am the rock in the stream, as the Taoist phrase goes.  So be sure to wave every time you pass.

[juliainkc]

Good Evening Everyone,

Hmmm, maybe I wasn't holding my mouth right!! For what it's worth. All thoughts are welcomed, all thoughts, pro and not pro to some and everything in between or otherwise.

I personally have to say I am with Laura on already knowing what was in me to know before ever hearing of Adrian. I am here by freewill and choice as all others. Whether one realizes it or not.

I posted my thoughts in here due to the interesting play of events regarding this Jesus whom I was not specifically thinking about when this play of events took place and put it in here in this thread about Jesus.

Does it matter what anyone believes to me? Why should it? Really. Unless I am not sure of what I believe. I will say that the way and what I believed 20 years ago is far different from where I am now, and I am open to the idea that this will continue. Knowing I am secure in my Being is a constant though.

I have not seen anyone odd yet or perhaps the fact that I am odd makes everyone here seem normal!

I feel that when one 'pats' one on the back or seems to, it isn't to discredit or credit another so much, it seems to be that the point one is making is vibing with someone else's vibe. What more needs to be said? We vibe in moments or we don't.

All in all, it doesn't matter to me what anyone believes about Jesus or Tao or any kind of Spiritual thought or teachings. Love is the center for it all. Isn't that enough to experience and desire for all?

I think we can get caught up in thinking that we must jump through hoops to attain our God Spot and I personally feel nothing could be farther from the truth. And I believe truth is subjective as in all thoughts period relating to anything or anyone. We are solely responsible for our own self and beliefs and how we live our lives based on what we believe in the moment. I personally have learned to not hold so tightly to what I say I believe in this moment as in forever because my truth has been subject to change as in the deepening of my personal experience.

No two relationships are the same.

I truly do InJoy the variety of ones thoughts in this forum and would encourage all to keep on sharing from your own unique angle or point of view. When we hit 'walls' or resistance in regards to another's thoughts,perhaps it is a wall within that is showing itself to be taken down and walk on in peace and freedom and loving acceptance of all because we love and accept ourself the way we are and are big enough to share it with all others. I feel there is always room to grow, it's a never ending process.

The one absolute I believe is Love at the center where we all come from.

Peace and Loving Acceptance to All ways of discovering for oneself ones own truth,

Julia

[Freedom]

Hi all loving souls 

This thread is called : 'Who is Jesus of Nazareth?'

Here is my 2,000,000 million cents worth     cos he said we can do what he did and greater. He came along to tell us we are all Source, he didnt come along to tell us to follow him. 

Julia and Laura get this already.

Brandon ( who is lovely, of course ), has a thing about debates.

We don't do debates in here, as far as I know, otherwise I would be out of here, pretty fast. We are here to communicate.

That is a huge difference to me. I won't go into forums that debate. That is something i never learned, or understood.  That is saying: "who is right/who is wrong"... all duality dis-info.

We are here to understand each other. Not to make points of view!  Sure, say your piece of the pie, and then invite others to communicate. It is not a debate forum.

In fact, I still don't have a clue about Adrian, all that matters to me is that he is a nice person who has put a forum up, where I can talk in a nice lovely way to other lovely people.

Debating forums are everywhere on the net.

Millions of them. It isnt hard to find them.

This is a lovely peaceful place and I appreciate so much that I can talk to lovely people without being put down, as most forums do.

I love this place.  Lol, Jesus Loves You 

I hope u get the humour

Jesus only wants us to know our power, the same as he did, back in those days. And now we are in the Shift Days... ( I think he wanted us to know and prepare to know how to love)

He is groovy / in the groove /  take this as lightly , the power of light and love

Lots of love ~ peace

[Freedom]

Is impossible to balance and maintain that at all times -. Theres' just to much. Is much easier to "row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream..."

Perhaps so, and I do falter at times, but I would rather try than be swept somewhere I don't want to be.  I have only become stronger, wiser, faster, more intuitive, etc through work.

I am the rock in the stream, as the Taoist phrase goes.  So be sure to wave every time you pass.

Dear Brandon,

Row the boat gently down the stream, lol ,  ... so Tao says to be the rock, ... hmmm..

Have you read "Illusions" by Richard Bach...  that is a really good book.  have a quick peek , you might like it.

I just don't do debates. 

Lot's of love flowing in the stream xxx

Love Freedom   

[Freedom]

OK, everyOne

I just realised I made another boo-boo .. mistake...

There is no way I should have said 'we dont do debates in here'. ...

Sorry that I said that ... each to their own, of course. Please let me off this time. I didn't mean to .

It is just that I don't like debates cos I think that is fighting... oops!  I am just trying to share, that is all I care about, maybe I got it wrong. Maybe debates could work, it is just that I dont understand the yukky duality. 


Lots of love to all of ourSelves as all part of One   

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Brandon,

I thought about you a lot you know .  I am sorry for not having the time to read your whole book, if I did so I would have gotten more on how your Mind works. However I found an fragment that sheds some light into your revulsion towards the "Monarchy" - The Monarchy means that people see God, Christ as a Deity. To be worshipped and to whom to yield controll. I believe this is the mantra of religion or in other words the basics.

So, now please empty your mind and read this - try to not get involved (worked up, feeling for it etc) just read as you were not Brandon you know Can you do this??


Ramana Maharshi’s statement represents mantra meditation’s goal: a state where the mind is timelessly identified with surrender to the name of one’s god – identical with the god himself. The mind itself has become self-negation at the feet of the deity. Empty of original thought and dynamic desire, the “liberated” person’s ego is dissolved: the very thing that made him or her human. All that is left is a mind-body shell, a meat-robot, that moves through life as a surrendered instrument of some greater will. I suggest the greater will is not that of the Infinite. It is the will of the god who has taken the place of one’s mind.


Does this sound like possession? It surely appears to be. Think of all the gurus you’ve met with their palpable shakti. An energy so real no one who experiences it can deny it. What is that light in their eye, a light beyond this world? Whose is that power they touch you with, embrace you with? Is it the shakti of Brahman, the light of pure consciousness? Or is it the power of Kali or one of her friends? Gurus often say they are the embodiment of Shiva, Kali, or some other god. Why do we not take them at their word?


I would like to suggest that mantra meditation turns humans into zombies who serve the agenda of the gods. That agenda is procurement of more humans and more human energy. This explains the common phenomenon of proselytizing by the religious, including fundamentalist Christians, TMers, and disciples of other varieties. Servants of “God” or the gods feel a driving need to bring in more recruits. The god that moves through them fills them with this zeal, as a hungry stomach fills the mind with an overwhelming need to procure dinner.



This is from Freedom's link: http://brontebaxter.wordpress.com/mantra-meditation-reveals-a-hidden-agenda-are-the-gods-alive-and-well-and-working-towards-the-new-world-order/   (thank you Freedom, I will not post the rest because it starts diverging from Truth, or the point I wanted to make..)


So, now if you read this with an open and empty Mind without associating anything on purpose to it, just let your Mind make the associations - you would understand perhaps a bit about yourself and about your aversion to religion. Which is simply: mind control.

This is the factor that never made me religious, however is also the factor that blocked my Mind to open up to 'transformation'.

This is something that we all who come to this Forum have in common. We are free thinkers abhorring Mind Control.

The appeal of Adrian 'place'  is not only that everything is allowed with the common sense of not yielding thought to beliefs and paradigm patterns but 'independence from everything' is highly encouraged. Transcendence of human condition with all the shackles.   


Now, Bible aside, at some point here with Julia and others we have established that "everything is spiritual" - this means that when you raise your consciousness above the 'facts' you start to see the fabric of the thought. Is like you lift somewhere up above in space and all material details fade, fade, fade ..to the point where there's only a goo of energy.

Honestly in these it doesn't matter at all who the physical Jesus was. What's important is the pattern - the imprint he left and on this account he might as well never even existed that detail is not important anymore.

"You shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free".  The only truth is NOW in this present moment. Everything that is in past or future tense is not Truth anymore, is just a thread of solid probabilities.

About rocks, water, fluidity etc... there is only 1 constant in the Universe (of both physical or thought, manifest or unmanifest) - and this is: change.

Laura of yesterday is not the same as Laura of today, Brandon, Adrian, Julia, Freedom, Jesus etc... because from yesterday till today a lot of change happened, we read more, we discovered more, we changed our Minds as new info creep-ed in, the sun is out, the winds have stopped and blow again, Atlantis was discovered, and so on... I could really go off in this one.. lol...

The main message in here however is this: the only way to keep on it is to be fluid with the change. Ride on it. This is the message from Jesus: "Know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free"  It doesn't say: learn the truth.... It says "know it"  - be in it, do not look to it from outside of you.

Now I know a lot of what I said here won't make a lot of sense (at first) - I was the same, I remember in the past reading Adrian's newsletters and other stuff and thinking: Hmmm?? You know that part in us that resists the Truth, the moment of Now, that tries to make association filtered through everything we have accumulated in our minds... That's why one benefit of meditation is to empty your Mind.
Leave it all at the door.
Do not argue to what you hear... let it sit in the fabric you are made off and let your sense guide you if what you hear is true or not. But the moment you start making association the magic of the moment is gone. That's why poetry and music have such great power and appeal - they help you hold onto that magic of emptiness, if even for a brief moment.

Going back to that moment of emptiness is in there when Christ consciousness starts to be perceived, and is seen as strong as you NEED it. When that dimension within us is touched something gets activated and the Mind expands and there's no need for emptiness anymore because everything makes sense, like some sort of marvellous fabric of the Universe.

So, in the end Jesus/Yeshua is groovy ..lol.. as Freedom said. And so is Adrian ..lol..
He/they come out to teach us on how to open up our Minds and shake off the control of the Monarchy. If you read his words you will slowly start to see it. Then as you exercise this side of your Mind you will slowly start to see the 'Truth' in everything and hold onto that while leaving the human condition at the door. I.e. the contribution to literary works of Bible is not important. There are people in there, some more evolved some more visionary all trying to make sense of what they experienced. See them in their moments of Now (or Then ..  )  and you shall see the Truth.
Those associations, historical accuracy, aggravations, need to be right and prove others wrong,... all these  left behind…









LOVE

[TheBaron]

Hrm... Perhaps I am being naive, but I kind of get the feeling that the only person that actually 'reads' what I say is Laura.  

To debate and to criticize are ancient customs that originate as far back as man and were popularized by Greek culture.  The western world has taken these two wonderful customs and given them a negative inflection when they are far from that.  There are two tools that allow us to grow and learn.

What is the point if everyone says the same thing and always agrees on everything?  Then there is no learning, the air becomes stagnant.  I love to share and I love to learn.  My friends and I will sit down over a beer and talk for hours about the Battle of Thermopylae, Politics, Spirituality, and or Science.  We are truth seekers as you label it.  We reflect on every angle of every situation so that we are sure not to miss any important lessons.

Maybe you are so profound and enlightened that no matter what anyone has to say you already know the answer.  Maybe I or anyone else here has nothing to offer you and your purpose here is to only grace us with your presence.  

Well, if you're that much farther advanced than myself or others, why not teach us, instead of holding it over our heads?  Why not inform us instead of making witty comments and then claiming we don't understand them?  

For example, Talkers inner dialogue is always profound, insightful and informative.  He expresses what he himself is working on, where he finds himself going, and what ideas prevent him from reaching it.  This is teaching, in one form at least.  Discredit Adrian if you want to, but he dedicates all of his time to teaching and I don't hear anyone complaining or declaring old news when he does write something.

You're right, maybe I just don't get it, but if it's the way you claim it to be, then I frankly just don't want to.  I will continue to voice my point of view in hopes that rational minded individuals on here will appreciate it.  There are a few of us here, at least, that seem to want to express ideas, research, and experiments with one another.  To work out our own ideas with the help of others, so that we're sure not to miss anything.

I'm done.

-B

(Once again Laura has been typing while I am, LoL)

[juliainkc]

Hi Brandon ~

Let's play ~ read what you just wrote from me to you fashion ~ truth ~

In a you are in college way and there are those graduating and those just coming into ... where am I in this mix? kind of thing. debate?

see for yourself it all depends on what grade you are in ... hmmm ... leaves little room to well anything really. K is in 6th year learning, E is about to embark on entry level mmm ... arrogance? I see it as life is and continues and so it is ...

I am especially fond of you,

Julia

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Julia, Brandon, Freedom and all,   

Hrm... Perhaps I am being naive, but I kind of get the feeling that the only person that actually 'reads' what I say is Laura.  

Dear Brandon, funny that you just said that because in some reversed way that was my impression when exchanging with you. I feel you do not 'read' what I say, or others say, but is more like you want to be 'heard'. I am not saying this to offend you, so please don't. I am only trying to understand the spheres of your perception.

Now, from my own experience I can tell you one thing for sure: the feeling that 'we are not observed' - as we would like to be is a devious work of the Ego who is trying to keep us separated. Please note that I said 'us' - because as far as I'm concerned there are no others.

You Brandon, are myself, same as Julia, Freedom is etc... is like... when you are a parent, a loving parent your children are like yourself, extensions of you. You decided to create little expressions of you and there they are: children. Then after the magic of first years wears off you realise that they are people. Autonomous people with a self of their own, and at the same time they are still expressions of yourself. This time you love them as they are, in their changing form, and you want to help them become the best they can be, in their own terms.
They are still 'you' or feels like they are part of you, however if your love is boundless you give them the freedom to be who they want to be - and to be able to do that you have to 'hone' your observational senses.

A great parent is not interested at this point in the children looking up to him and emulating what he is, etc... a great parent is only intent and focused on 'what' the child is, and how he can help bringing up the best in them.

Sorry for 'detour'. My point is that as hard as it may be one day we gotta grow. Give up our desire to be observed, and channel everything that we are in 'observing', understanding and finding ways in helping the needs of the observed ones.

I will not say anything further at this point.




Back to Jesus and Christ now (although we never actually left the subject...   what we do, say etc here .. is Christ in action)



It was about ..hmmm .. I can't remember but not so long ago when the frame of awareness took another level within that I had this impression about Jesus, Christ, the so expected 2nd coming... it was just there like a knowing. 

Today I open a book given to me on Friday by someone who told me that she could not get it and it sounded like psychological masturbation to her, and there it was, a random chapter HOWEVER!! - words voiced as my Mind experience of a few years back.

I copy the awareness I experienced in the Author's words: Eckhart Tolle  The Power of Now


CHRIST: THE REALITY OF YOUR DIVINE PRESENCE

Don't get attached to any one word. You can substitute "Christ" for presence, if that is more meaningful to you. Christ is your God-essence or the Self, as is sometimes called in the east.

The only difference between Christ and presence is that Christ refers to your indwelling divinity regardless of whether you are conscious of it or not, whereas presence means your awakened divinity or God-essence.

Many misunderstandings and false beliefs about Christ will clear if you realize that there is no past or future in Christ. To say that Christ was or will be is a contradiction in terms. Jesus was. he was a man who lived two thousands years ago and realized divine presence, his true nature. And so he said: "Before Abraham was, I Am." he did not say: "I already existed before Abraham was born." That would have meant that he was still within the dimension of time and form identity.

 
And you can read the rest here: http://books.google.ca/books?id=sQYqRCIhFAMC&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=CHRIST:+THE+REALITY+OF+YOUR+DIVINE+PRESENCE&source=bl&ots=I6wvRi0vOp&sig=GbqVQg6-fvTj6cNMY1qc1FBaM48&hl=en&ei=eje9ScHwDIvcMcv6mZMD&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA104,M1



and I think I shall spend the rest of the day enjoying this beautiful sunshine with my other interested children.



love

[TheBaron]

Nice article Laura, I hope you are enjoying the sun, I have a cold and I will not be spending much time outdoors unfortunately (although I have heard it is good for the immune system).

From my understanding thus far, Jesus is viewed as more of a word or idea than an individual.  If he were real I do not know if this is what he would have desired and I'm not sure it matters.  One's need to define that in which they feel as his or her own source, god, beginning or end seems frugal to me, but it is the norm.  It is an outlet for subdued energies to reach their ultimate purpose.

The Jesus of me is different from than Jesus of Laura, the Jesus of Freedom, the Jesus of Julia, and the Jesus of Talker, so on and so forth.  The Jesus of Nazareth was a man, so perhaps a better title for this thread would be "Who is Jesus of Now?"

Now is a lucrative expression of the current individuals insights into the cosmic design, no different than the English word God.  The constant struggle of the awareness is the realization that the past and the future ultimately do not matter.  I am here in this presence, so I will do what I can now for me because odds are in another place and/or time the individual will not be remembered. 

The individual is a micro-organism of consciousness.  What an individual does personally has less impact as society as a whole, and the singular society has less impact as the rest of the societies conglomerated.  The Earth is but a part of a solar system that is a part of a galaxy, universe, multiverse and so on.

So who are we to decide what is important and what is not?  We are and we aren't at the same time.  We are important to ourselves, and that is all that matters.  The fact that we exists keeps the threads of reality from breaking and other than that, our influence on others is rather minimal.  My greatest contribution is to look after mine and my own and I can do nothing but rely on you to do the same.

Is this source?  Some deluded consciousness that unknowingly navigates the laws of nature?  Who am I to say?  You say I have found god in the warmth of the sun, I say I have found home.  Do they have to be different?  I don't think so...

[juliainkc]

Morning Laura, Brandon and All,

Laura, truly, I loved your last post especially. Thank you sister, I am vibing with you.

I am vibing with you too Brandon. Anyone who shares at all whether in private or a public forum is just sharing from ones own thoughts and beliefs about anything really. And that is why I humourously was 'poking' you gently of course in the ribs.

It does not matter whatever one believes is real to another, you and I shared this idea in another post on demons. It is real to the one who is having the experience.

That is what I (as being Julia in this picture) mean when I am sharing. It is my personal experience being shared in the moment, not anyone elses. And I really do not say this to be rude or impudent.

Because this is what I allow all others to have as well. And yes, your thoughts enlarge my view. We grow and learn from one another if we are open to allowing all others to share. I don't agree with that we say, and so... so what? Does that mean I cannot accept you as my brother and friend? Not at all. Your thoughts are what 'make' you Brandon to me, Laura to me and so on ...

You and all have found a place to be. I like this!!

And as to Adrian, Adrian is my friend, I see him this way, he does not care what I think nor I him. OMG Julia how disrespectful!!

Not really, it is called freedom and I like this about Adrian truly. He knows well.

And I feel the same way about you, Laura, Talker, Freedom, DH ah, the list goes on. We are as Laura shares and you say here all aspects of the One doing the well, sharing.

I raise my glass to you and All, (what is in that glass is the responsibility of the one who is deciding for oneself!) 

Salud,

Julia

[Caguja]

Hello All,

I am lost for words to express my feelings when I read what Julia and Laura wrote. To me, it is so touching that their writing bring out emotions in me. I resonate with what they espouse. Surely, it pains me that we are in a situation when we are asking who Jesus of Nazareth really was.

If only we were not misled, we would be knowing who really this person Jesus was and why he came. Unfortunately, his mission was misunderstood and most of humanity is no better than they were when Jesus came into this planet! Jesus started no religion, but everywhere, those who profess to follow Jesus, compete in trying to outdo the other in appearing more "Christian"!

Truth is truly subjective. It cannot be absolute unless one finds it within. Like both Julia and Laura have intimated, Jesus became the Christ. It is the duty of all humanity to attain the Christ mind that Jesus attained. I have not attained yet it but I hope that I attain it before I die.

My understanding of who Jesus was is that he was a man who came to earth to teach humanity that divinity is inside each of us and that we need to find that divinity (TRUTH), to realise god within and in so doing, we shall realise that god and humanity are one. He came to be an example for us to follow into realizing God within. In so doing, we overcome (void) Karma

He was man who attained the Christ Mind.

[juliainkc]

Hello Dear Caguja,

How wonderful to see you in here again.

Thank you for sharing your loving thoughts with all of us.

Namaste in Love,

Julia

[Blueridge]

HELLO ALL,

I'm just brand new here so I don't want to interject to much, but there is a site I came across quite by accident called hiddenmeanings.com , that awoke myself to some new concepts, very interesting.

Also, Adrian you have a wonderful site, and am just starting to delve into it, great information on the learning ladder.

Blueridge