Who is Jesus of Nazareth?

[Baki Hanma]

I have watched the Passion of Christ Last night and no matter how much I watch it. It kind of almost brings tears to your eyes. To see someone being treated that way, unable or unwilling to defend themselves.

Can anyone tell me who Jesus was exactly, I mean is there another more accurate source I could learn from of him besides bibles? All I have are stories and ideas of what I think mat have happened. These stories changes from time to time and I cant really get a grasp on him other then his famous quotes and teachings.

I have read and heard countless of time that he was crucified on a cross figure. However, I have also read and heard that the guy portraying as Jesus in biblical scriptures is not really him. That he was of darker shade, wore dread locks (or of some version of them) and that he hung himself and was not crucified. Which is true? What story should I go with or is it even important to know much of the man himself and just simple embrace his teachings?

[Adrian]

Dear Baki Hanma,

I have watched the Passion of Christ Last night and no matter how much I watch it. It kind of almost brings tears to your eyes. To see someone being treated that way, unable or unwilling to defend themselves.

Can anyone tell me who Jesus was exactly, I mean is there another more accurate source I could learn from of him besides bibles? All I have are stories and ideas of what I think mat have happened. These stories changes from time to time and I cant really get a grasp on him other then his famous quotes and teachings.

I have read and heard countless of time that he was crucified on a cross figure. However, I have also read and heard that the guy portraying as Jesus in biblical scriptures is not really him. That he was of darker shade, wore dread locks (or of some version of them) and that he hung himself and was not crucified. Which is true? What story should I go with or is it even important to know much of the man himself and just simple embrace his teachings?

Very, very good question.

I think it important to discover the "real" Jesus - I feel we owe it to Jesus and the humanity who I can tell you Jesus Loves as no being has ever loved before him.

The person called "Jesus", real name Yehoshua - Aramaic for "saviour from God" or words to that effect, was probably one of the most evolved Beings to have ever set foot on Earth  - he came to prepare humanity, with 2000 years to spare, for the "end of the Age" that is nearly upon us.

But the cycle bringing the Christ was followed by the anti-Christ that hijacked His teachings and mission, and turned it against humanity. We are now well in to the Christ aspect of the cycle but time is short.

The real Jesus spent 30 years preparing with the Essenes, a mystical Jewish group, before commencing his "ministry". The New Testament is corrupt beyond redemption - we only know Jesus in that context through the inner meaning of his teachings and through his earlier years as recorded in Aramaic. The Dead Sea Scrolls provide an exceptional insight in to the Essenes.

It is my intention to bring the True, Aramaic Yehoshua to you in the not to distant future.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
 

[L Lawliet]

Good day sir Adrian and sir Hanma,

Wow baki, I sense that this may be another one of your long winded topics and I feel compelled to join in on this conversation for I to would like to know more of the Real, actual man called Jesus.

What a coincident that prior to me coming to this particular topic, I was reading a bit on sir Adriaen's newsletter of the day. Sir you expressed that Jesus was sent here to earth from the inner spheres. Do you mean this spiritually? From what I remember hearing-reading, Jesus was the son of Mary and a unnamed or undetermined man who was said to be a Carpenter.

Did Jesus, urr umm, Yehoshua - descend from the heavens, Source in the form of the spirit of which was imbued within the physical body that we came to know here on earth as Jesus?

[Adrian]

Dear L Lawliet,

What a coincident that prior to me coming to this particular topic, I was reading a bit on sir Adriaen's newsletter of the day. Sir you expressed that Jesus was sent here to earth from the inner spheres. Do you mean this spiritually? From what I remember hearing-reading, Jesus was the son of Mary and a unnamed or undetermined man who was said to be a Carpenter.
Did Jesus, urr umm, Yehoshua - descend from the heavens, Source in the form of the spirit of which was imbued within the physical body that we came to know here on earth as Jesus?

I suggest you read my newsletter on the Nativity Agenda:

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/the-nativity-agenda.html

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[L Lawliet]

Thank you sir. I never knew you have written an article on it already .

[Adrian]

Dear L Lawliet,

Thank you sir. I never knew you have written an article on it already .

I have many hundreds of articles on my site - always worth checking there for answers

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[Mina-Laura]

Dear All,

I believe the quest for finding out who Jesus was is a very valid one, however in my humble personal opinion while gaining such knowledge is gratifying perhaps for an aspect of our inquiring mind, is far more important to look up/ reflect upon who Jesus was as a person as a role model.

I suppose that we all agree upon one aspect that he was a man that fully realised the God within. For me that is more than enough. And all the rest of the whole lot, as if he was the true and only son of God, a master, a prophet, the Messiah, and so on ...does it matter ?!?
I mean does it matter to such extent as to fight over and bring discord between people, between countries?.

This is my firm position when I talk with friends from all religions. I do not even go into Jesus's origin as that is a dead-end fraught with outbursts of anger and consequent nonacceptance and separation. 
I merely go: "Oh, so this is what you people believe, wow, interesting I haven't heard this version before".
Also I do my best to 'listen' to what they have to say because almost in all cases is nothing more than something they heard or learned and come to believe as the truth. With gentleness I try to help them 'think' about what they are saying, or rather to use their commonsense and God given power of discernment, and exercise 'insight' into importance of holding onto whatever beliefs that separates them from others.

So, as i have some time at my hand this weekend I decided to copy a fragment from the book "A New Christ - Jesus The Man and His Works" by Wallace Wattles and Henry Drummond.

I find it inspiring because it invites us to 'look' up at Jesus, the man, from a different perspective.




It is doubtful if any man was ever more misunderstood by the people of His own time than Jesus of Nazareth. Certainly no man was ever more grossly misrepresented by succeeding generations, and especially by those who professed to be His friends and followers.

The Christian religion was first recognized by the power of the state at an era when the interests of the ruling class demanded the utmost submission and conformity on the part of the people; and out of the needs of the kingly and priestly classes for a religious ideal which should induce men to be contended with slavery, to bow their necks to the toke of taxation, and to submit to every form of economic evil without protest, was born the concept of the message, and of the personal character of Jesus which is accepted as orthodox today.

The picture of the man Jesus which you hold in your minds has been drawn far more from the poetry of Isaiah, written 700 years before he was born, than from the four gospels, which purport to be narratives of eye witnesses of His life and Works. Such passages have been quoted to show the meekness and the humility the submissive spirit with which Christ endured wrong and injustice; and we have held up as the saviour of the world a despised, friendless, poverty-stricken laborer whom the upper classes regarded with scorn because of his lowly origin and station; who had no friends save fishermen, laborers, outcasts and sinners; who was shelterless and hungry, who bore insults and persecutions with meek submission and walked about a scornful world with hands always uplifted in loving benediction. 
….

I want to show Him to you as He was and is, the Supreme Man – the Highest Type, the incarnation and revelation of the One Great Life which is above all and through all and in us all, lifting us all toward unity with one another and with Him.

It is my task to rescue Christ from Christianity.

In the first place, then, Jesus a workingman. Custom required every Jewish Rabbi, or learned man to have a trade. We read in the Talmud of Rabbi Johanan, the blacksmith, and of Rabbi Isaac, the shoemaker, learned and highly honored men.
Rabbi Jesus, the carpenter would be spoken of in the same way. St. Paul a very learned man, was a tent-maker by trade. Jesus could not, in that time and place have been despised for His station or His birth. Indeed He was popularly supposed to be an aristocrat by birth, a son of the royal house and was frequently saluted as the son of David.

Second, He was a very learned man, and thus already in a state of social position of respect. Whenever He went into a synagogue He was selected to read the law and teach the congregation, as one best qualified for that work.
He was thoroughly versed in the Jewish law; the way that He silenced his adversaries with apt quotations shows him to be letter-perfect. Even His enemies always addressed Him as Master or Teacher, acknowledging His profound learning.

Third, he was not despised for his poverty. He had many wealthy and influential friends. Lazarus and his sisters were people of consequence. Like says that Joanna, the wife of Chuza, the king’s steward, and other women ministered onto him of their sunbstance – that is were supporters of his work. Joseph of Arimatea, who come after His body, was a well-to-do man. True he owned no real estate; but he dressed expensively, and never lacked for money. When He was crucified His clothing was too fine to cut up.

Read the four gospels and you can come to no other conclusion.

Jesus was not humble, in the accepted sense. He did not go about with downcast look, and a general attitude of asking permission to stay on earth. He was a man of the most impressive, commanding and powerful personal appearance. He spoke as one having authority, and frequently we are told that great awe and fear come upon the people at his mighty words and works. In one place they were so frightened that they besought Him to leave; and John tells how certain officers sent to arrest Him in the market place lost their nerve in his commanding presence and went back saying “Surely never man spoke like him.”

What now, of the Christ-like attitude toward the world? One of best way to understand is to study His reasons for taking the title He assumed: the Son of Man. He rarely spoke of himself in any other way. This term, son of man, was common in the Jewish prophecies. It was simply an emphatic way of saying Man.
If you want to emphasize your humanity, as Jesus did: “I’m a son of Man.”

Why did he lay stress upon the fact that He was a man? Note the position. The Son of Man must stand for Humanity.

In Judea, at this time there were several religious sects, which were also in a way political parties, scheming for place and power, and for influence with Rome. The Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Samaritans, etc., disagreed on various questions, as the interpretation of prophecy, the existence of angels, the resurrection of the dead, baptism, and so on. The strife between these parties was desperately acrimonious and bitter, often to the point of personal violence. Their arguments frequently ended in riots. You will notice as you read that they were ready to take up stones to end a dispute; often only the commanding personality of Jesus saved him from being stoned by these religious mobs. The sects were intensely eager to make converts, or proselytes.

Below all these middle-class disputants were the common people, sunk in most abject poverty – taxed, beaten, outraged, robbed, slaughtered and no voice lifted in their behalf. It is said that Jesus had: “compassion on the multitude because they fainted and were amazed, and were like sheep without a shepherd.”

They had plenty of shepherds to baptize them, interpret prophecy for them, to instruct them in ‘spiritual’ things; but none to demand a Light(ening) of their burdens.

Let me quote from the Sermon on the Mount:
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, "You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.' But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, "Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, "You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.”

The expression “you fool”, does not clearly interpret the original; it would be better rendered by the phrase “you are no good”, or “ you are worthless”. 

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Matthew tells us when Jesus hung upon the cross the Pharisees mocked Him saying, “If thou be the Son of God come down from the cross”. They wanted to be led by a Son of God but they wanted to be led in easy ways, to glory, place and power. They wanted a competitive Christ, who would lead them to competitive victory.  They wanted a kingdom of God, but they wanted it to be on the on the general plan of this world’s kingdoms. They wanted to give the poor charity not justice; to give slaves kindness not liberty. They would be good to the poor but they would not abolish poverty; they wanted to ride easily on the backs of others, not to bear others as burden on their shoulders.

And current Christianity stands before the cross in the same attitude saying the same words: “Not that way, master! Not to be crucified on behalf of humanity! Lead us the other way! Come down off the cross!” ….

My friends, the call of Christ is as it was 2000 years ago, and has ever been to bear the burdens of weak, wronged, outraged, robbed, oppressed and disinherited humanity.


Beyond the cross we see the river sepulcher, and through it shines the glory of a resurrected humanity. Lift up your heads! The day of your redemption draweth nigh; the Kingdom of heaven is at hand.






It is a book of 126 pages - just to let you know if you thought that the read was to long. And if you cared to read then perhaps you understand what is really important ... in the Jesus aspect.
The expression of that man, who come with the mission to lift the fellow humans to the ranks of gods. To enlighten us, to make us open ourselves to the Christ within.
To look at what he expressed and then to ponder about 'what' do we express.

So all I have to say is that to me this is all that matters and important and helpful at helping me find the Christ within.
Not my personal history and genealogy but only:

My inner Light




However I do not want you to interpret this, as some form of negating Adrian’s quest in bringing Jesus past and origin under question. I think this work is very important in itself in the sense that it get’s one ‘past’ the fear into inquiring into the origin of our true divinity. The "removing the idea of unattainable" from our way (mind) - of which barrier we were convinced through centuries of indoctrination that it was there.

Is like Jesus would walk between us today then someone would come and say: “the microwave technology was stolen from an alien spaceship.”  What will Jesus of 2000 years ago say: “Oh wow… really .. . go chase the spaceship and learn more form it” or “trust in yourself, and in the powers within; with enough faith in yourself, and dedication you can actually come up with something even greater”.



I love you! find your Christ within - Laura

[Baki Hanma]

Dear L Lawliet,

Thank you sir. I never knew you have written an article on it already .

I have many hundreds of articles on my site - always worth checking there for answers

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

Perhaps I should do more of this reading before asking these questions. Its just that there is so much to read and I am so busy that I cant get to everything you write Adrian. Wish I had of came accross this article sooner though

And Mina-Laura thank you for what u have wrote or typed  . That was lovely.

[Adrian]

Dear Baki Hanma,

Perhaps I should do more of this reading before asking these questions. Its just that there is so much to read and I am so busy that I cant get to everything you write Adrian.

Reading is not as time consuming as writing I assure you

We should always have time for our own Evolution and Enlightenment - it must always come first.

Wish I had of came accross this article sooner though

There is a search engine on the website - all you need do is search for any subject of interest, and you will find all references to it without having to read every article.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[zensunni7]

I feel Laura said it beautifully and moreso completely.

I felt compelled in my twenties, to find the ' real ' Jesus to set my mind to rest. I emerged about five years later. It was one wild ride, from the glimpses of truth that set me afire again, to the farthest reaches of a collective imagination.
It became a game of " My Jesus " is better than yours. Well mine can raise the dead - mine can ascend to heaven - and mine can do it WITH his body - nyaaa.
I guess you ' don't get it ' until you experience it. Then you don't ever feel a need to talk about it, write it down, or preach it - You know that eventually everyone will ' get it '

Darrell

[Baki Hanma]

Dear Baki Hanma,

Perhaps I should do more of this reading before asking these questions. Its just that there is so much to read and I am so busy that I cant get to everything you write Adrian.

Reading is not as time consuming as writing I assure you

Who am I to argue that. You should know, you've written books 

The thing is is that I am always busy doing things, new job, bigger responsibilities and all. I had more time to read back when I first joined this forum then I do now. I can only squeeze in about 30 minutes maybe 1 hour tops. I would like to do more like I use to. I be so tired after the day is done that I cant even read myself to sleep anymore, I just simple pass out lol . And then I wake up and repeat the same routine.

We should always have time for our own Evolution and Enlightenment - it must always come first.

I agree, hower in this lifestyle that Im in I cant just stop what Im doing and start reading. I have responsibilities that cant always be put off or ignored.

[Adrian]

Dear Baki Hanma,

I be so tired after the day is done that I cant even read myself to sleep anymore, I just simple pass out lol . And then I wake up and repeat the same routine.

That sounds all too familiar. Sleep - work - sleep and hopefully eat sometimes. It is what I refer to in my book as "The Human Paradox". The system gives you just enough to feed and refresh yourself so you can keep working for the system.

Just an observation. Of course it does not need to be that way - in fact "life" was never intended to be that way. Hopefully soon people can liberate themselves from the system.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[Freedom]

Dear EveryOne

I love everyones contributions to this thread and I thank you greatly.

I have been off-line for a while... so I will have to catch up with stuff. Very valuable info that I will read as soon as I can.

But, in the meantime, I just want to agree with what Adrian posted.

Life is for yourself.
If possible , and it should be (even tho I am having hassles myself)  that we can get ourselves together, and learn and all that.

Life is meant to be liberating... All this going to work, sucks. We do have the freedom...  I am still on that..
We got to be free.

We are all one, but we have to be ourself at the same time. All as a spark of one.

Well, I tried my best to answer... Love and light 

Always remember that your smile reminds you who you are   

[juliainkc]

Hello Bakichan and All,

I agree, some wonderful sharing going on in here. Thank you all.

I have read and heard countless of time that he was crucified on a cross figure. However, I have also read and heard that the guy portraying as Jesus in biblical scriptures is not really him. That he was of darker shade, wore dread locks (or of some version of them) and that he hung himself and was not crucified. Which is true? What story should I go with or is it even important to know much of the man himself and just simple embrace his teachings?

This is why I chose to go back into the church years back and find out for myself. It's like anyone or anything else really. When something vibrates or resonates within. Hard to explain it really. There is just this knowing inside of you.

I have noticed that of all the masters, this one called Jesus seems to stir up the most emotional responses. Now it is coming to a point of whether or not he did exist and what name he was really called. Alot of interest in this one.

I think it just comes down to a personal place of knowing for oneself. Does what you do know about this one speak to you in any way? If so how and what impression does one like this have on you?

If anything, whether real or imagined in story form, Jesus has made a big impact on this planet by his example. God Being embodied in human form.

Looking at this one's life is interesting and as you and all and I have our own speculations. He went through 40 days and nights of temptation to release all forms of ego as in associating himself with any sect, cult or religion and lifestyle. He was a free Being.

It seems he left all that he had come to know up to the time of his temptation once he began his ministry after the 40 days and nights.


He seemed to offend those who had associated him with their beliefs. Jesus offended the religious sects and leaders of his day because he in Love was showing them that they were not the robes, the highest places of honor in the temples and synangogues, the strict lifestyle laws that they made others adhere to while making money off those who 'sinned' or blew it in their eyes.

They lived by the letter of the law and they used it to their own advantage. They did not abide within the Law of Love. Compassion.

These were the roles they were playing yet it was not who they truly were. It seems they viewed his teachings as his way of ending what they thought was their real life when he was showing them where their real life was, within.

It seems they did not understand this and so they set out to do to him what they believed in their own misunderstanding he had done to them.

They stripped him of his 'dignity, integrity and life'. Or so they thought. Jesus did not think this way and that is why he was able to do it and saying in the end, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do'. He knew they were blind to Love. He knew who he was. Unconditional Love expressed in human form.

Even his disciples and Mary did not recognize him when he 'resurrected'. They were just becoming aware of what he had been showing them all along and saw it now.

He revealed their true Essence. And as the story goes, it changed their lives from one of fear to one of power.

Whether a story or true, the one difference I do see in this one we know as Jesus is that his humanity was very much allowed to be seen and shown for all to see how Divine Spirit in us works through a physical vehicle.

His example has made a deep impression in my life and still does.

Sharing my Heart thoughts along with all of you,

Love Energy radiating your way today,

Julia

[zensunni7]

There is definite proof that Jesus existed
There is definite proof that Jesus did not ever exist.

Who is Jesus ~ I AM.

Darrell