What make us an individual – Ego? Does God have Ego?

[melody]

I wander what makes us an individual? Is it Ego? Or maybe it is our Higher Self?

We all have Ego. Yet we are created in the image of God. Does it mean God has Ego? I doubt it. Maybe Ego is something we acquired after falling from the Garden of Eden. Maybe Ego is that what separates us from God.

Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden had their proper individuality, yet they had no Ego until they ate the apple from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Maybe going back to God will not deprive us of our individuality, but will simply transmute our Ego in such a way that our individuality can be expressed in total communion with God energies, God’s Love, and God’s Joy.

[juliainkc]

Hi Melody,

I wander what makes us an individual? Is it Ego? Or maybe it is our Higher Self?

We all have Ego. Yet we are created in the image of God. Does it mean God has Ego? I doubt it. Maybe Ego is something we acquired after falling from the Garden of Eden. Maybe Ego is that what separates us from God.

Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden had their proper individuality, yet they had no Ego until they ate the apple from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Maybe going back to God will not deprive us of our individuality, but will simply transmute our Ego in such a way that our individuality can be expressed in total communion with God energies, God’s Love, and God’s Joy.

Ego is associated with identity. Individuality is our Oneness with Source and yes, we do not lose our individuality in our Oneness with Source as Source is Love in relationship with ITSELF in ALL. ITs All Inclusive in ITs Oneness.

Ego seeks to separate by creating an identity as in there is a you, me, us, and so on. Defining by definitions and labels. Ego is exclusive.

What is interesting about your statement regarding Adam and Eve is that Adam walked with God before falling asleep and it was in his sleep that Eve appeared. It would seem that the Divine Feminine and Masculine were all in One before this event. Or Non Gendered.

This occuring as the dual nature appearing.

Just sharing thoughts with you.

Love in Divine Spirit,

Julia

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Everyone ~

I wish to elaborate on this a little bit more.

We tend to view ego as separate from God. It isn't separate from God, it's just an idea that thinks it is. When we use the term die to ego we are speaking in ego's language. Ego came up with the idea of death and dying because it also created the idea of guilt by the idea that it could run away from God. And in ego's way of thinking, being guilty must be 'rectified' to be made right. Or the idea must be killed to get rid of it.

Now we see this creating a God who is our enemy and is to be feared. Why? Because ego has created a game of hide and go seek, or run for your lives, God's gonna get ya.

All the while God is calling, 'Where did you run to?' What's this? Why would this one think to hide from me. So ego (Adam and Eve) decide to camoflage themselves with fig leaves, trying to blend into the background of the garden.

Well God doesn't even see the illusion ego has created so in essence ego has been clearly viewed the whole time!! Like a child that tries to hide under the covers with it behind sticking up in the air or a child who plays peek a boo standing right in front of you with its hands over its eyes. Really.

But ego doesn't realize this because it truly has come to believe that it has the power to overpower God and become invisible. Not possible with the One who Sees.

Hmm...more can be shared here...join in all ~

Love to you in Divine Spirit,

Julia

[Mina-Laura]

Hello Julia and Melody

There's only one thing that comes to my mind as about "What make us an individual" and this is being able to: Relax and enjoy life's journey.

Ego? hmmm  Ego? Does God have Ego?: "as above and so below"

love - Laura

[juliainkc]

Yes Laura, Exactly.

Relax and InJoy the ride. Change the I. Change your I sight.

Looking straight into the I of Love. No longer seeing anyone as another but as you. The many, many expressions of you or I.

It's about Loving all of OneSelf. Leaving no thing out.

Unconditional Love is All inclusive. Forgiveness is undoing what is untrue. And what is untrue? That we could ever be apart from Love, separated from LOVE. It never really happened. That is what is so interesting about all this. LOVE sees no offense. It does not exist. If you see otherwise then you know you are seeing backwards.

Thank you for sharing this,

Love in Divine Spirit,

Julia

[melody]

“As above so below” is an esoteric concept conceived by a mortal brain of a man. It sounds very good and deep, but does it present the whole and exact picture? Below is war, and murder, and envy, and jealousy. Does that mean that above – God is also all those negative things? I simply do no believe so. So for me the concept “as above so below” just does not work and is simply a pretty phrase.

Maybe God who is all the Good, and Pure, and highest Divinity simply provides an array of vibrations which in themselves are good and neutral in nature. They are simply a variety of created harmonics. And maybe he lets his creations – the created beings - roam freely in those vibrations which are good and neutral in themselves and he lets those beings to create with their free will as they please. And maybe it is the progressively developed and distorted Egos by those individuated created creatures that mold those vibrations as per their imagination and distort the previously quite neutral vibrations and harmonics into very negative ones.

Is free will a part of the Ego? I believe this is what humans made it to be. In the Garden of Eden, where neither Adam or Even had an Ego but were breathed individuated Souls into their bodies by God, they had no Ego as such. Yet they had their own individuated being and their own individuated free will. They, for instance, could make such choices as where to roam, what fruit to eat, and what animal to attend to. They most likely could sing their own songs and create them, or dance and create those dances. So they had the creative powers there and then. They did not need to know good and evil to be able to create, or to be able to commune and to be one with Good. They simply were one with God, yet individuated.

I think Ego was created when Adam and Eve turned away from God, form his wishes of them not touching the fruit from the tree of good and evil, from his wishes of them not to distort even further the harmonics of his creation, as Lucifer had done before that,  the first one to meddle with God’s good and neutral vibrations, pushing the scale into the negative territory.

I don’t believe God has Ego. But we do, and this is what separates us from God. We created those Egos all on our own, we distorted the good and neutral vibrations and harmonics that God supplied us with originally.

[juliainkc]

Hi Melody, Laura and All ~

“As above so below” is an esoteric concept conceived by a mortal brain of a man. It sounds very good and deep, but does it present the whole and exact picture? Below is war, and murder, and envy, and jealousy. Does that mean that above – God is also all those negative things? I simply do no believe so. So for me the concept “as above so below” just does not work and is simply a pretty phrase.

Actually this is very True Melody. Jesus refered to this with the Pharisees as in keeping the outer cup clean while the inside was full of putrid thoughts and imaginings.

Eating pure foods and wearing the garments of white linen and such while inside their hearts were far from God. They judged what others were doing and then created laws to make money off the offenses. Truth. Even allowing others to break the laws if they put a little extra into the tithe box.

It is not what we do on the outside. It's getting the Inside cleaned out the rest follows. Truth. We are walking backwards in this world. We focus on war, murder of people or animals and jealousy, envy and on and on. How do I know? If I see it it is there.

Now what do I do? Well, Ask to see IT God or Source's way. Give me your eyes to see. Then it becomes, InJoy the many illusions and just realize it for what it is. I am having an experience. Which experience do we leave out. No judgement becomes Peace. Stillness. Light. And as in Nature, when something seeminly seems like a disaster, I've noticed, that Nature is quite capable of coming back to Life as Life never left, it just looked like it did.

Maybe God who is all the Good, and Pure, and highest Divinity simply provides an array of vibrations which in themselves are good and neutral in nature. They are simply a variety of created harmonics. And maybe he lets his creations – the created beings - roam freely in those vibrations which are good and neutral in themselves and he lets those beings to create with their free will as they please. And maybe it is the progressively developed and distorted Egos by those individuated created creatures that mold those vibrations as per their imagination and distort the previously quite neutral vibrations and harmonics into very negative ones.

Is free will a part of the Ego? I believe this is what humans made it to be. In the Garden of Eden, where neither Adam or Even had an Ego but were breathed individuated Souls into their bodies by God, they had no Ego as such. Yet they had their own individuated being and their own individuated free will. They, for instance, could make such choices as where to roam, what fruit to eat, and what animal to attend to. They most likely could sing their own songs and create them, or dance and create those dances. So they had the creative powers there and then. They did not need to know good and evil to be able to create, or to be able to commune and to be one with Good. They simply were one with God, yet individuated.

I think Ego was created when Adam and Eve turned away from God, form his wishes of them not touching the fruit from the tree of good and evil, from his wishes of them not to distort even further the harmonics of his creation, as Lucifer had done before that,  the first one to meddle with God’s good and neutral vibrations, pushing the scale into the negative territory.

I don’t believe God has Ego. But we do, and this is what separates us from God. We created those Egos all on our own, we distorted the good and neutral vibrations and harmonics that God supplied us with originally.

What I have observed in myself and what seems like others is just that. Remove others and all you see is I am eating veges, I am eating meat, I am driving a car, I am having white, black, yellow skin. We are in essence God having a costume party with ITSELF.

Love in Divine Spirit,

Julia

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Melody

We live in a world of relativity. This means that you make Ego whatever you choose to make it. You can make it lowly or you can make it Godly.

We all know the attributes of God ... open the Bible, or chapter 27 in Adrian's book, holly Quran, and so on and so forth...ultimately open the higher part of own self... is all in there.

If God wanted to create androids, automates that will constantly do and think in a certain preordained way it would have been done so.
Yet we were created in God's image. Free thinkers, creators of our reality...
Free will is an awesome gift. Yet, many take it as a priviledge...

Free will is an awesome gift....

As far as I'm concerned in every and each moment of our lives we have a choice (and Ego makes no exception): we can freely choose to be a host to God, or not.  

To me Ego is God's gift that I exist an an individual. A precious legacy.
When I was a little girl I learned one thing: take care, be good, respectful for every gift you receive, least it will be taken away from you.
As I grew up I understood that nothing can ever be taken away from us. Yet, we can close our eyes and hearts ..and mind in such way that we cannot see what is right there, and it was there at all times.  I guess it is a lesson in the "Prodigal Son" parable.

As I grew up I understood is not about 'others'. This life, world... what we perceive is but a test, which starts and ends at individuated level.

Namaste Melody (The Divine Ego in Me salutes the Divine Ego in You)

love - Laura

[melody]

Hello Minalaura,

The point I am making is that free will and Ego are not one and the same thing, though humans have made it into being one. A gift from God was free will, not Ego. Ego is what we have created ourselves.

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Melody

That is correct that Ego and free will are different concepts.

Ego is the "I Am"
Free will stands in making the choice of "What/Who I Am" - or choosing what I express.

However we should not bring God in any of these definitions, ways and categories of trying to understand ourselves. God is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent. By trying to bring God through our limited physical reasoning we actually "construct God in our image", when the truth is that "we were created in God's image".

In conclusion what do we know anyway, from our physical human perspective? I remember when at some time I tried to process everything in a logical manner. Then I realised how true is when they say: The more we learn the less we know...
One day I decided to let go... of all my attachments on trying to 'explain' God and its creation - implicitly us. Like in science... trying to 'explain' on how this stretch of DNA gives raise to the colour or fragrance implicitly will take away the moment of enjoying the beauty of it.   


"Let go and let God"

Let go, and let Love open your eyes.



love - Laura

[melody]

Hello MinalLaura,

This forum is a place of discussion and of exchanging ideas. One should not attempt to put a stop to any valid discussion and have a plaster like solution to all the questions raised and all the attempted understanding of various concepts. A plaster being the word Love. Although Love is all embracing and all healing and even all understanding, we are far away, all of us, including myself, from really embracing and embodying Devine Love. Let us all nourish our searching and striving, which help us to define who we are.

 

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Melody

There are no limitation but those which we impose upon ourselves.
This becomes even more obvious here in this forum. For instance if you perceive that I impose any on you, your creative mind will eagerly look and find ways for exits/portals in its desire to express herself. The more at peace your soul is the more graceful these ways are. (..lol.. as you can see I had this urge to use the word LOVE yet I replaced it with PEACE)

I do agree that the usage of "LOVE" wording is grossly overrated in the view of human condition. The scarcity of verbal communication...

I have this very good friend, very spiritual and we play many times this game in our conversations, in which we don't really exist as physical beings. So, how do you even know that I exists? I could be just a part of you talking, you could be talking to yourself and in this pespective I could be a part of you (and like-wise). So, what am I? which part is talking within Melody? and which part is talking within Laura.

Please forgive my hastiness; you are right "absolutely nothing should stop us in our search for nourishment".

This forum is a place of discussion and of exchanging ideas. One should not attempt to put a stop to any valid discussion

In a grand schemes of things it probably does not matter where we came from or how were we created. We simply are here and we should be making the best out of it. Yet our mind really ponders and wants to know!

love - Laura

[melody]

Hello Minalaura,

I am not searching for exists although I have plenty of things to devote my time to rather than this forum. I am hanging around to clarify my personal spirituality, even though it might defer from that of others in this forum

To tell you the truth, I am not into game playing, never had been even as a child. So I do not much relate to the game situation you have going with your friend. So sorry, cannot answer your questions relating to that game. Also, not wanting to play games also reflects on not wanting to live in this virtual place as if it were the place of my reality.

Thank you for your understanding that we all have a need to search and define who we are as human beings and as spiritual entities.

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Melody

I understand.

Indeed, there are many ways to get to the truth. And nobody is to say who is to pursue 'which' way.
If we all were singing same tune there would be no symphony in the Universe.

...sigh... However please remember I'm always here at your service. Lovingly. Speaking of which ...sigh...from my own experience I can tell you intense preoccupation with self and ego introduces a mind exhaustion. In this context 'love' simply means letting go and trusting. You have set your mind on spiritual evolution. I tell you it will come to you. Like a cat. You can chase it all you want and it will run away from you, yet one day if you sit basking in calm and love it will simply jump on your lap and curl there.


Namaste Melody (the unique being in me salutes the unique being in you)

<hug>

love - Laura

[melody]

Hello Laura,

You sound like as if you have had it all figured out, the spiritual matters I mean. 

And yet somehow I don't believe that any of us in this forum has yet figured it all out...