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I am Julia, and am a reformed 'new age-spiritualist', who is now following Yahshuah-Jesus The Christ.
In Ecclesiastes 9:15, Solomon gives his perspective of a person who has lived their life without God:
'For the living know that they shall die but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.'
He is sharing what a life lived without God looks like, that a life lived without God is vanity. He summarizes his thoughts with this statement:
'Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter Fear God, and keep his commandments for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.'
Death right now, means the spirit is separated from the body (absent from the body), and spiritual death, is spiritual separation from God.
Absent from God's Presence.
Man has yet to experience a spiritual death- his spirit being separated from God, because it is unlike anything we have ever experienced before, we who are still alive in a body, and this may be one of the strongest reasons why so many scoff at what is written in this book and prefer to follow after other teachings that say, oh, nothing to be worried about, this God stuff is nonsense and mere pomp and circumstance made up by people who want to control people in fear. I use to be one of these people Kevin. In Truth.
I don't disagree that people have used the Words of this book to incite fear and control of the people of the earth, they have corrupted its message to suit their own agendas, and usually a good way to tell, is where the attention is being drawn to. Towards God or away from God. And 'false' teachers will have to give an account for it, as we will all give an account for our actions and choices, it's just so hard to believe because well...we haven't experienced anything like this yet. It is a very heavy responsibility to be in a teaching or leadership position because God takes it very very seriously, especially if someone leads people away from Him. From giving instructions on the Word of God in this way, many have fallen away and turned away from searching for themselves what this book's message really is about. Not to say, that we our self won't be held responsible for our own choices made on whether to follow man or God. Many say, it won't happen...our giving an account of what we have done while here to the One Who created all of this originally. Even in the midst of the warnings being given through the unraveling of our world right now, of this coming day...
And this is what I see is a good part of why our world is in the condition it is in this modern day. So many believe the lie that there is no accountability to anyone, especially to God.
Jesus was the first fruits of our 'new' humanity. His body wasn't a different body than the one He had while here, it was a transformed body. He was able to eat and drink after His resurrection, yet He was also able to move through walls and be in different places at once.
He told his disciples to touch his hands and his side and said, a spirit doesn't have flesh and bones.
Death is the ticket out of here, and where our spirit is destined to be for eternity, is being decided right now. We just have a very very hard time with this idea because so many have not shared about the Unconditional Love of The Father for all of us which was evidenced in His Word becoming flesh, represented in appearance as a man called Yahshuah, or Jesus. God's provision for us to become not only immortal, all will be immortal, but acceptable to live in His Presence.
Immortality is Unconditional, where we decide to spend our immortality is conditional.
God is a God of the living, not the dead. Death cannot live in the Presence of God.
With Love, In the Spirit of Christ,