What caused the 1st cause?

[Talker]

Ah yes, and there we have it.

                 Unconditional Love but........

A learning process and growing into it, poses no problem.

Claiming it and including a 'but', is spiritually illogical.
Be Well

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Reemet, Talker and All,

You sum it up nicely Talker, as always, I appreciate your thoughts being shared and your presence.

Ah yes, and there we have it.

                 Unconditional Love but........

A learning process and growing into it, poses no problem.

Claiming it and including a 'but', is spiritually illogical.

Be Well

Hi Reemet, I appreciate your response. Where is my position in this? Somewhere in between, not either or ...

That is the jist of my responding to all of your thoughts shared yesterday. Just having a conversation and sharing from another point of view along with yours.

No need for apologies truly! Now, if we had had this conversation when I was 19 well, conflict would have been an issue really. I am not looking for any conflict with you yesterday at all, and this was not my intention when responding, you will have to determine what would cause a conflict in you based on what I was sharing. I am a 'believer' in taking ownership of oneself, thoughts, ideas, perceptions, positions and stance, etc... Lots less room for conflict in my honest opinion when I am tending to Being myself and allowing another to Be themselves as well. Just me having a thought out loud to myself or you having yours to yourself. I can appreciate this from this point of view of participating here.

So before we will continue our discussion, I need you to choose whether you want to talk about "Our part of the universe" or about the "Whole Universe"...if you want to talk about Unconditional Love and everything related to it we can can speak in terms of "Our part of the Universe" that is our reality, including Unconditional Love.

I tend to hold to the idea of as within so without and not so much either or ...

I can continue to have a conversation with you on sharing ideas, whether or not you are willing to continue, I respect your right to decide my friend. It's All God in my world and ongoing in the wonder of IT ALL.

InJoy this day All,

Be Well

Love in Spirit,

Julia

[ATICI]

In order to comprehend this concept, one must go beyond the understanding of the conscious mind, beyond the intellect, beyond the belief system, imposed upon humanity by the so-called “religions” of the matrix. The answer cannot be expressed in words, but must be instinctively felt through the subconscious mind. As long as you try to rationalize, you will fail to understand. “All that is” (the creator) is beyond any conscious understanding…

Something that cannot be defined by the conscious mind cannot be expressed with the use of words of the conscious mind.

The language is just limited, and weak to express the language of the heart, the language of the soul, the language of the SUBCONSCIOUS MIND.

The creator (all that is) is beyond the first-cause. Nothing... not-a-thing exists outside the creator. Nothing exists outside “all that is” (the creator).

“All that is” is “all there is”. There cannot be anything outside “all that is” as “all that is” is “all there was”, “all there is” and “all there ever will be”.

Not even the so-called “first-cause” exists beyond him. Nothing in the whole universe, in the whole creation exists outside the creator. To even think that something must have caused “the first-cause” to bring about the creator is to think that there was or must have been some other force outside “all there was”, “all there is”, “all there ever will be”.

To say that “all that is” at some point became self-aware of itself is to think that the process and the concept of realization of the self, such conscious awareness must have been a precursor to “all that is”. To believe such notion is to think that the consciousness, becoming self-aware of itself must have existed outside “all that is”.

Nothing (not even the process or the concept or the initiation of self-awareness) exists outside “all that is”. If it doesn’t exist outside “all that is” as nothing does..., it cannot have a beginning, and it cannot happen or come before “all that is”.

Think as to who sold you the idea that there even had to be a “first-cause” in the first place! The creator is above and beyond any necessity, any obligation, any need which the first-cause can or does dictate…

Love as always…

[xxxLOGICxxx]

I honestly can not read all that. I think I've been looking at the computer screen for way to long and need to go to bed so I am going to take the question simply and give a simple answer. I believe in spirituality a simple answers is truth while a complicated answer takes the soul astray.

The lifeless objects are the thoughts of god, we are god thinking. So there is a difference. Unconditional Love isn't to love a piece of paper as much as the person you are dating but to love the omnipresence of god in everything since all is mind. This kind of love is a respect for all things (Not to say you can't like one thing better then another).

  wow the "The lifeless objects are the thoughts of god, we are god thinking" part is such a beautifully easy inference about God. So wonderful! so very truthful and enlightening. 

[juliainkc]

Dear ATICI,

I appreciate the wonderful way you shared your view on this truly!! I InJoyed it and resonate with you in your whole expressions here.

Thank you for sharing this very clear way of Reemet's question;

The creator (all that is) is beyond the first-cause. Nothing... not-a-thing exists outside the creator. Nothing exists outside “all that is” (the creator).

“All that is” is “all there is”. There cannot be anything outside “all that is” as “all that is” is “all there was”, “all there is” and “all there ever will be”.

Nothing (not even the process or the concept or the initiation of self-awareness) exists outside “all that is”. If it doesn’t exist outside “all that is” as nothing does..., it cannot have a beginning, and it cannot happen or come before “all that is”.

Think as to who sold you the idea that there even had to be a “first-cause” in the first place! The creator is above and beyond any necessity, any obligation, any need which the first-cause can or does dictate…
Love as always…

Very refreshing.

Love in Spirit,

Julia

[wavepsychic]

I honestly can not read all that. I think I've been looking at the computer screen for way to long and need to go to bed so I am going to take the question simply and give a simple answer. I believe in spirituality a simple answers is truth while a complicated answer takes the soul astray.

The lifeless objects are the thoughts of god, we are god thinking. So there is a difference. Unconditional Love isn't to love a piece of paper as much as the person you are dating but to love the omnipresence of god in everything since all is mind. This kind of love is a respect for all things (Not to say you can't like one thing better then another).

  wow the "The lifeless objects are the thoughts of god, we are god thinking" part is such a beautifully easy inference about God. So wonderful! so very truthful and enlightening. 

Thank you Logic,

I'm just trying to understand the Universe/God.

[soulconsole]

"I believe in spirituality a simple answers is truth while a complicated answer takes the soul astray."

You said it!!! See this is what Satori's --Zen realizations are: simple but enlightening.