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« on: June 15, 2009, 10:27:19 »

Hello.

If anyone would be so nice and help me to understand that what caused the 1st cause?
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2009, 11:01:46 »

God being aware of Self.
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 13:28:56 »

Hello.

If anyone would be so nice and help me to understand that what caused the 1st cause?


As in where did 1st Cause come from? The idea being that 1st Cause had a beginning ...

1st Cause is Infinite, no beginning, no end, a conundrum in a finite world experience ...
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 13:41:50 »

God being aware of Self.

Yes but then what was the cause of God being aware of Self?

"The idea being that 1st Cause had a beginning ..."

And what was the cause of the idea that 1st cause had a beginning?
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 13:50:43 »

Hi Reemet,

I am sure Darrell will be back in here and give you his wonderful Insights ...

I just happened to still be in here ...


And what was the cause of the idea that 1st cause had a beginning?



The Garden of Eden story comes to mind here and also when 'time' began.

Formless Spirit taking on a physical form kind of idea ... placing ITSELF into a container much like time ...

God does not exist in time ... as in ITs Authentic Essence, it permeates, is Present within all realities ...

Allow me to rephrase my statement above here. God does not abide by 'time' limitations, God is not limited by time, God is unlimited in all ways always ... Eternal, Immortal, Infinite and beautiful as we all are.

Divine expressions or carriers of this Divinity.


God being aware of Self.



just sharing my thoughts and leaving them open for ones consideration

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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 14:04:12 »

"Allow me to rephrase my statement above here. God does not abide by 'time' limitations, God is not limited by time, God is unlimited in all ways always ... Eternal, Immortal, Infinite and beautiful as we all are."

Wow thank you Cheesy...that certantly enlightened me.
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 14:15:15 »

Desire?!
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2009, 19:09:34 »

Hello people,I have 1 more question for you.

Since the universe is always in harmony and balance,how can everyone end up with being united with God?
Ending up with being united god means having the highest and positive vibration,but doesn't that take the universe out of balance?
The negative vibration and positive vibration isn't supposed to be in balance with each other then?
Thanks for everyone who is willing to enlighten me.
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2009, 21:37:04 »

Hi again Reemet, smiley

Hello people,I have 1 more question for you.

Since the universe is always in harmony and balance,how can everyone end up with being united with God?

Ending up with being united god means having the highest and positive vibration,but doesn't that take the universe out of balance?

The negative vibration and positive vibration isn't supposed to be in balance with each other then?
Thanks for everyone who is willing to enlighten me.



This is where language becomes very interesting and very diverse. smiley My intention here is to have an open ended conversation with you by sharing my thoughts on these ideas and not to 'answer' the questions so much but to allow you to sense what or if anything vibes with you in sharing here.

For myself it has been by moving through and beyond the ideas of positive and negative as is defined per se ... I have found that there is a tendency in collective consciousness thinking to define or make distinctions by separating things, people and circumstances into a negative as being 'bad or harmful' and a positive as being 'good and beneficial' position ... now, I see it more as IT just is. IT's all Energy when we lose the positive and negative connotations.

I'm having a living experience in every moment and this is the way I see It is All God 'working' within each one and every circumstance, even if my physical eyes and personal mind is wanting to see IT differently. I am more aware of this now by having gone through this processing over and over again by this way of consciously shifting my thinking and maintaining it by remaining in this idea or state more.

I struggled for quite some time with the concept of there being nothing as in good (positive) and evil (negative)(deeply embedded by worldly pre-conditioning) and while something was vibing underneath it all I couldn't quite grasp how it was all working together in perfect harmony and balance. Because I saw things that did not seem nor feel harmonious to me at the time, in myself and 'others'. I was off balance in my way of thinking and seeing IT.

Losing by the tendencies to define it in this way by letting go of old ways of thinking and being aware of my thoughts has helped me greatly. By having one thought at a 'time'. It takes daily practice and maintaining this.

Being a student in Nature's classroom has revealed some excellent examples of this idea for me in over 30 years of attending and I am still in it by freewill and personal choice. smiley Nature naturally recovers itself or returns to itself over and over again no matter what is going on.

While changes are visible in Nature, its core foundational principles are always in place and even while experiencing the continual changes of each season, each one is unique yet in their proper place are working together in maintaining balance and harmony. 

We don't have to 'do' anything to Nature to make this happen, it is established and already in place and we can see it in constant motion.

Like the Universe and our Unity with God. It is already in place and we can see IT in motion, if we are consciously aware of IT.

I feel that when everyone realizes this and begins to relax, the tension will dissipate and return to its proper balance and harmony. Not that it isn't already here, just when everyone realizes it at the same moment in 'time'. The vibrations will be intunely experienced as One in Unified thought or Mind and this is what all will be living from. Our natural state.

Forgive the flow here Reemet. In a nutshell ...

Being as God Being ... complete in ITSELF as we are.

Thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts out loud with you as I InJoyed your thoughts as well.

InJoy this day,

Love in Spirit,

Julia
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2009, 00:53:03 »

Wow Reemet you really have some good questions here.

In a Religion such as Christianity, Judaism, and many others I was never content with... God is self creating, God existed before time.

As I read what my own people say it doesn't sound much different.

How I understand it is that the Forth Dimension is the Dimension of Time. In order to remove time from the equation one of two things much happen. Scientist will tell you before the Big Bang (which I'm sure never happened) nothing moved so the big bang created time. There is another way out of this besides nothing moving. Everything moving at an instant speed. If you increase energies vibration to the point of removing density everything moves at the speed of thought. So the First Cause is thought and hyper dimensional. That would then imply that only the Physical realm of Matter is subject to time. Since this realm was created last.

However as happy with this view as I am, this doesn't begin to explain where mind came from or what cause mind to think up the Universe in the first place. In the Physical Realm a wooden table must be created from a tree. The tree ceases to exist as a tree and then becomes a table. Prime energy known was mind/consciousness doesn't have a beginning thus no end. However you still have a mind energy all of the sudden deciding to create the Universe from itself. However the first cause still has to decide to exist itself because it created everything. I don't believe everything was created from nothing but to say that the First cause always existed then just decided to create isn't much different then saying that god always existed then decided to create time and everything else. So I can't really say that I know the answer to the question.

It is also said that the first cause is above Duality. This too just sounds like a simple explanation. I am just not so sure anymore.
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2009, 05:35:29 »

Hello people,


I have a couple more questions if you don't mind:

About the Unconditional Love,does Unconditional Love mean to love absolutely everything that exists including all the material things for example like a chair,clock,my speakers and everything else as equal aspect of the universe and therefore equal aspect of me,or loving only living beings?

And if only living beings,then what makes a difference between a living being and material object?
Different unique vibration? Then what determines if some things or beings are alive and aware and some things are not?
Everything is Energy so there is no difference between me and some material object except different frequency of vibration.
So that leads me to the next question,what defines a "living being" and "lifeless object"?
And why is 1 thing "lifeless" and other is "living"?
On in a simple question,how can 1 part of energy be unaware and therefore have no imagination while the other part of energy is aware and therefore has imagination?

Is it possible that there are no such things like "living being" and "lifeless being" and that any "physical object" is aware and "alive" just like human is?
In other way is all Energy aware but just on different "level" of awereness?
And individuality and unindividuality are just different sides of polarity right?
And my final concern,our meaning of life and therefore mission of life is to evolve back to god.And that happends once we get the "highest vibration"...but as stated in "the principle of polarity" there are no things like "highest" and "lowest"...the universe,god and we are infinite and therefore there are no limitations.How can we get the "highest" vibration if we are infinite and unlimited in all ways always?
How can the 1st cause,The Source have the highest vibration if the universe is infinite and has no limitations?
Is it possible that there is no "life's mission" and therefore mission to unite with god because we already are united with god in All ways Always,and therefore our "mission" if it exists at all is just what we want and believe our "mission" to be?
If all this is true,then in conclusion there has never been,and never will be the "mission" to evolve back to god if all living beings do not believe in it,otherwise it would work agaisnt our free will.
There are no "good" or "bad" deeds in the universe,there is only exprerience and different frequency of vibrations.Souls and spirits with higher vibration are in no way "closer" to the "ultimate goal" than souls and spirits with lower vibration are.Souls and spirits with higher vibration are in no way "doing better" or being on the "better track" than the souls with lower vibrations are...because these things simply do not exist in terms of being a "one" and the "whole",these are only individual thoughts and realities.If spirits are on the "lower realms of vibration" it is because this is their own individual reality on their own free will...and there has never been and never will be a necessarity to "help" those people to gain a "higher" vibration just because we think that it is a "better track" or closer way to unite with god because this is only our own individual reality and mission,not theirs.And "help" is only a term and belief of individual reality and therefore does not exist.Helping means helping someone from "worser" condition to "better" condition but this is just individual reality because "better" or "worser" do no exist,otherwise it would be favortism..in basic term help means "influencing".
Therefore there will never be the moment where everyone will "unite with god" in the highest vibration because then the universe would fall out of balance and could not exist,there will always be balance on the universe and therefore lower and higher vibrations always exist.And what determines that the "the source" and the god exists on the "higher" or "highest" level of vibration anyway? This is only individual reality.
God exists equally everywhere in every level of vibration and always will.Uniting with god on "the higher vibration" or "highest vibration" is only individual reality not everyone's ultimate destiny,there is no destiny if an individual would believe there is no destiny,it is all individual reality.
So in result Unconditional Love is in no way "better" or "worser" thing to do just because it has "higher vibration"...this is just your own individual reality,Unconditional Love is in no way destiny of the universe,this is just individual destiny and reality,Unconditional Love is in no way "wiser" or "smarter" thing to do than "Killing someone" because these things simply do not exist.There is no way that for example "wisdom" is someway "better" than "stupidity" otherwise there would be favortism...these things are just individual beliefs,thoughts and realities.
Just because god created the universe out of "unconditional love" does not mean that this is our reality and destiny.
God,the creator is in no way "better" than we are that when god created the universe out of unconditional love,our destiny is sharing unconditional love,no.
Everything and Everything in this universe has always and will always be Equal allways,no matter what you are comparing.Higher vibration is absolutely in no way "better" or "righter" or "wiser" "reality" than lower vibration,otherwise there would be favortism...this is how the universe is.

Update:Maybe everyone can have the "higher" or "positive" vibration...maybe Balance is also just an individual reality of "the source","the one","god".The universe is not limited by anything,that means when he is "limited" by "balance","law of attraction" or any other law is simply because god believes he is limited by balance or polarity or any other "universal law".So god is absolutely limited by Nothing including all the universal laws,elements or any other thing when he believes that he is not.Remember what "infinite" means...infinity really and truly means infinity in all ways.There are no things or laws that are "true reality" or "true truth"...that means even Vibration is the reality of those who believe in it,universe can absolutely be everything and have any laws the universe believes in.
Even the "Eternal Now" is just a creation and belief of an individual or individuals,there is no universal truth or true truth even when everyone believes in it,this the belief of every individual but not the true truth,true truth does not exist.
And even "imagination" can be just the reality of those who believe in this...there are infinite number or ways for manifesting and "sensing" your reality and imagination is just 1 of them,everything is infinite in all ways always.
And for the freakiest thing,Even having LIMITATION in the universe is Possible when the universe believes in it...unlimitation and infinity also consist limitation otherwise it would not be unlimitation and infinity.
Even having a personal reality can be just a belief or a "personal reality"...and "belief" can also be "individual reality"...now how weird is that Cheesy.
Anything and absolutely ANYTHING is possible.

Question to Adrian: How can you be sure that Unconditional Love exists at the "highest" level of vibration?
Maybe vibration has nothing to do with "being closer" or being more far from the god but is simply the "belief" that everything consists energy and in order to "define" or find "difference" between things it needs different vibration...so Unconditional love as it thinks it has...therefore it can aswell be the lower vibration...maybe higher vibration does not define more "powerful" or "wiser" action or thought.Unconditional Love in Realising that everything is one is absolutely not necessary and is the ultimate reality and destiny only for those who believe in it.
And it is absolutely not necessary for humankind or anyone in the universe to Realise that they are one with god,nothing is universally necessary.
That does not mean that you shouldn't help humans to feel or act more "positive" if you feel or know that they desire peace and are "out of control" to have peace...it's just that this is universally unnecessary and is your individual belief.

My thoughts on the "universe": The universe is infinite and therefore consists everything,including "nothingness".
"Counsciouseness","Mind","Imagination","Vibration","Eternal Now" or "Time" are just small parts in this infinite universe and therefore "Time" is just as "real" as the "Eternal Now"...tho a thing called "realness" is not defined in the universal matter since absolutely nothing is defined in the universal matter and the Universe is just the "carrier" for everything that Is in it,and nothing else.So the "Eternal Now" is more "real" than the "Time" simply because it is "believed" to be more "real"...but this is not "supported" by the "universe,the carrier" because nothing is "supported" by the universe.
And as already mentioned,the infinite universe is not limited by Eternal Now,Belief,Imagination,Mind or anything else...these are just a small part of the infinite universe.This is just my point of view.

And forgive me if I am mistaken about what I wrote.

Thanks for everyone who is willing to help me on answering my questions.
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2009, 21:22:13 »

Hi Reemet, smiley

Wow!

You are a very interesting one Reemet and I am InJoying participating with you in here!

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About the Unconditional Love,does Unconditional Love mean to love absolutely everything that exists including all the material things for example like a chair,clock,my speakers and everything else as equal aspect of the universe and therefore equal aspect of me,or loving only living beings?


I would have to ask you what is your definition of Love based on? Is your idea of Unconditonal Love being based on how you view love that is not Unconditional? Is it possible that there could be an idea or ideal beyond the current ideas passed around for quite awhile of what this Love possibly is?

We do share from our own perspectives based on our own personal speculations that are being supported, founded on our unique influences of experiences along the way, are we defining Love based only on our own ideas and stopping there, or are we including it all by allowing anothers ideas to be possible too? Un conditonal as defined symbolically as No conditions or all conditions included, as in holding to any particular opinion of what this Love is or means? Not leaving anything or anyone out of it? ... Being open to allowing this idea to progress?

And just look at how many people are on this planet.  I am not including all the ones from the beginning of what we call time nor including the ones still yet to be seen, whether we decide to consider to accept and/or realize or not, that time in and of itself may not apply beyond this reality? Is it possible that the 'way things are' here are nothing like what lies beyond this momentary experiencing of what we know so far?

I have wondered in momets what or whom inspires us to even consider that anything is possible (perhaps by once believing it wasn't) and allows us to experience the 'results' or returns to the asking of these questions? What or whom is moving us to do this, creating this desire in us? We whom are presently here and in this experience are all expressing from our Self's observations, our view point of this experience or I am not really here writing to you nor are you really here because there would not be a reason for you and I to be here! afro Lol! You are seemingly present here for whatever reasons you can answer for yourself and so it is for me and all others. If just to experience the reasoning of ...

So, in this Universal Salad Bowl Mixture of the many varieties of defining Love, is there the possibility of an Ideal for all of us to gather ourselves together and agree on or not (by keeping things separated out to know what a difference is)?  Why ask any questions at all if the belief is there that there is nothing to know at all. Are we capable of agreeing on one single idea? As you share here, I agree;

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Anything and absolutely ANYTHING is possible.

And this would be able to be applied to every question you and I and all have ever asked so far in this post and all the previous ones and the world as a whole.

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And if only living beings,then what makes a difference between a living being and material object?
Different unique vibration? Then what determines if some things or beings are alive and aware and some things are not?
Everything is Energy so there is no difference between me and some material object except different frequency of vibration.

So that leads me to the next question,what defines a "living being" and "lifeless object"?
And why is 1 thing "lifeless" and other is "living"?

On in a simple question, how can 1 part of energy be unaware and therefore have no imagination while the other part of energy is aware and therefore has imagination?



This is something you will have to come to terms with in yourself based on the way you are subjectively perceiving and making the distinctions of. And I see that you are doing just this. Wonderfully expressed Reemet. You make a very good point here in the everything is Energy so in this idea there is no difference between me and some material object except a different frequency of vibration, which still creates a difference. smiley

I can vibe with you on this. Like in the thought shared by Louis, a tree becomes a table and is no longer a tree. I see that the tree is the table and vice versa, just transformed in its energy so appearing to be different. This is my view of 'death' also, that nothing is ever lost only transformed in ITs Energy.

So what is the difference to me? I haven't had asked a material object any questions about this yet and I may be missing this but I have yet to have the experience of reasoning with a material object that independently makes decisions based on the ability to reason, affecting me and the world around me nor seen a material object walk about of its own freewill, a table has yet to draw a picture using its imagination for me. Just my musings here.

Which leads me to your question of what defines a 'living being' and a lifeless object?

The ability to be animate or mobile by the freedom to make use of ones Power or Energy or defined by the amount of Energy or Spirit being exerted through the object.

The amount of Energy is obviously allowing free movement and freewill choice and the ability to make decisions and reason in us while the Energy in the other is inanimate. How else can we view a difference of energy? And I am very open to experiencing an Alice in Wonderland world! smiley

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Is it possible that there are no such things like "living being" and "lifeless being" and that any "physical object" is aware and "alive" just like human is?

In other way is all Energy aware but just on different "level" of awereness?

And individuality and unindividuality are just different sides of polarity right?



Again anything is possible. Let's say that there is no such things like 'living being' and 'lifeless being' so then what are we, what would you define us as being? And how are we even able to make this distinction at all?

Your question on 'is Energy aware but just on different levels of awareness' is interesting and thought provoking really.

My idea of seeing it this way is by the separating out of the different levels of the mind as in the personal mind trying to identify with a something that possibly does not think like we do here at all. As in this something is Awareness in All ways.

Individuality and undividuality. Both are defined basically as meaning the same thing or idea, not divided. So they would be considered the same side of the same coin in a dualistic/polarity way of thinking or One and the same idea outside of polarity. smiley

We are undivided, One and the same in our Godlikeness yet have freewill to create as our Source anyway we desire to 'appear' in any way. We are able to create by being unlimited in our nature by freewill and free to choose limitations, otherwise we are mere slaves to conditional structures.

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And my final concern,our meaning of life and therefore mission of life is to evolve back to god.And that happends once we get the "highest vibration"...but as stated in "the principle of polarity" there are no things like "highest" and "lowest"...the universe,god and we are infinite and therefore there are no limitations.How can we get the "highest" vibration if we are infinite and unlimited in all ways always?


This is the one of the conundrums I mentioned earlier in here ... trying to wrap what we think we are really 'seeing' around what we have yet to fully see while we are sensing it and in going with this sensing we are opening up another way of seeing IT ...

Your comment here in regards to our mission or purpose of life as being to evolve 'back' to God. I consider the word back or backwards as a play on words or ideas. It's like rewinding a movie and watching everything in backwards motion taking you back to the Origin or Source, where we originated from moving beyond into the before having a starting point in this reality. So, where does this place us or what does this say about us and who we really are? As in th idea that All is God?What does this idea of All is God make us coming from this idea of there being a God?

As we move through and beyond the ideas of this present reality we can see that there is an underlying belief being impressed upon us that we are lacking in something and must attain this something.  In observing the world around us  and by not participating in this idea we can see how this affects ones in acting out in all sorts of ways.  Ones belief in the thought that we do not have it already is observable. I call this a selling someone short by impressing upon them they need to go after this already innate nature in us.

I have and do share with others that it is in realizing or awakening like from a dream and knowing full well who you are, without the need for evidence. You don't need anything or anyone to realize who you are, you know when you are fully aware of who you are. Who can take that away from you?

The highest vibration is another symbol or meaning of a natural attribute already present (innate) in us as us. It's just waking up in knowing this...

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How can the 1st cause,The Source have the highest vibration if the universe is infinite and has no limitations?


One way this can be looked at is, open for consideration,  because there is no-thing blocking the Vibration. There are no blocks or barriers to this Knowledge, God the Source Being the Totality of Knowledge. Zero Point. No limits or all inclusive ...

 
Infinite is symbolically defined as having no limits or boundaries in time or space or extent or magnitude and so this idea does not seem out of line at all for me. I would ask you to share with me your thoughts on how could The Source not have the highest vibration, being that the Universe which we are seeing was created from this Source Energy is imprinted or permeated by ITs everywhere Presence and is a 'witness' to this infinite and no limitations Being. It is we who give the limitations by labeling and separating things out. Language is one of these ideas. Creating the idea of limitations or in another view an illusion, also known as creating barriers or blocks to seeing beyond them. Otherwise, we would not even consider to question what we already know. All would be known by all of the One Mind.

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Is it possible that there is no "life's mission" and therefore mission to unite with god because we already are united with god in All ways Always,and therefore our "mission" if it exists at all is just what we want and believe our "mission" to be?
If all this is true,then in conclusion there has never been,and never will be the "mission" to evolve back to god if all living beings do not believe in it,otherwise it would work agaisnt our free will.



This is a possibility and given that it is, I would now ask you, what does this idea have to do with us really? As in why are we here at all? All are given freewill and so if one is choosing to not believe in it, why would they choose of their own freewill to be here to not know as well as those who are here and are choosing to know? I am sensing something is still being 'left out' of the 'mix' here is why I am hypothetically asking these questions.

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and there has never been and never will be a necessarity to "help" those people to gain a "higher" vibration just because we think that it is a "better track" or closer way to unite with god because this is only our own individual reality and mission,not theirs.And "help" is only a term and belief of individual reality and therefore does not exist.Helping means helping someone from "worser" condition to "better" condition but this is just individual reality because "better" or "worser" do no exist,otherwise it would be favortism..in basic term help means "influencing".


I sense this thought you share here has the possibility of making ones uncomfortable with this idea of others not 'needing' help. I can see your point here though. In a sense it would be seeing in another a lack, not trusting that everything is as it is or as it should be. Or perhaps that God is in them and they 'need' some help getting in touch with this God meeting moment, as in this God in them is not capable of doing this on ITs own or is powerless. Definitely one way to see it. I don't ascribe to forcing another to believing in anything, yet this doesn't take away from my believing in a Source or God due to my own personal experiences and I have been approached by 'others' asking to why I am the way I am, what is my 'secret' they ask  smiley ... Being one to help others through the years, I have to say I can agree with your position yet would like to expand on this idea with my own progression of thoughts here.

One way 'influencing' is defined is it is an effect or change produced by exerting power (Energy). So yes, we are always doing this, whether we understand, see this or not. Even in having this conversation we are exerting our power and causing an effect or change around us. It is what we do naturally without having to think about it.  As you shared we are and all is Energy. We live as Energy within Energy. So to say that someone 'needs' your Energy  or help is an oxymoron as in assuming they don't have it.

Have you ever said, my energy feels drained and I need a recharge? I have. I am sensing a desire for a lifting of my energy while observing in my radar what the cause of the energy drain is and it is a doubt somewhere in my thoughts that I am able to lose it. When what I am really doing is giving my Energy Power away by my allowing it.

My idea of what 'help' is, is Be in myself, fully alive radiating in my Energy Power. Not by forceful influence but by Being what I know and am certain of I Am, others are touched by it without taking it, because we can 'help' them by pointing to the Source of their own Energy Power when they ask for IT. That is my idea of helping another or serving.

When I have 'helped' another without asking for it (I am doing it more for myself's reason wink), it is like pulling ones mouth open and dumping the water down their throats kind of thing. rolleyes wink So a do unto others as you would have others do unto you kind of thing ...
 
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Therefore there will never be the moment where everyone will "unite with god" in the highest vibration because then the universe would fall out of balance and could not exist,there will always be balance on the universe and therefore lower and higher vibrations always exist.And what determines that the "the source" and the god exists on the "higher" or "highest" level of vibration anyway?  This is only individual reality.


This statement doesn't seem to go along with your idea that absolutely anything is possible Reemet. As in the idea of never will be. This is a not possible thought for me. The Highest Vibration that has no thing to bind it is an ongoing not never kind of idea ... so because there is no thing to block it how can it be thrown off balance? Does the possibility exist that all these 'levels' that we see of vibrations are in perfect balance with the All in All within all things and we are the ones not seeing this? Rephrasing your last line here, in this way, This is only ONE reality in All. Individual given the symbolism of not divided or One or Zero. No thing to separate it from. In All things, Everywhere Present, All Knowing ...

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And for the freakiest thing, Even having LIMITATION in the universe is Possible when the universe believes in it...unlimitation and infinity also consist limitation otherwise it would not be unlimitation and infinity.
Even having a personal reality can be just a belief or a "personal reality"...and "belief" can also be "individual reality"...now how weird is that

Anything and absolutely ANYTHING is possible.


I agree with this possibility as I am able to see this in this reality now, the ability to having limitations, experiencing this in us as It Self. Is this Cosmic All that Is limiting It Self to make us 'tune into' the idea that we are the ones who are creating through our desire to play with the possibilities a sense of limitations, righfully expressing our authenticity of God Self Being within our rightful chosen roles, expressing our likeness as Source in whom we are always connected into, our Energy Power Source, The Generator of all that is. Beyond all the imagining is the Imagineer... why not this as well?  We have freewill to choose to be limited and any number of things as well ... even denying the existence or possibility of their being a God ...


No thing is Being supported by the Universal Principles or Everything is supported by the Universal Principles already in place or we would not know what it is or It Is What IT is ...

I have InJoyed this and appreciate you sharing your point of view Reemet, truly. And thank you for allowing me to commune with you here in playing along in the Anything and absolutely Anything is possible ideas ...

InJoy this day,

Love in Spirit,

Julia
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2009, 21:35:34 »

Ah, the sheer beauty of words applied to experiences and thoughts.
Well said all.
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2009, 02:30:38 »

I honestly can not read all that. I think I've been looking at the computer screen for way to long and need to go to bed so I am going to take the question simply and give a simple answer. I believe in spirituality a simple answers is truth while a complicated answer takes the soul astray.

The lifeless objects are the thoughts of god, we are god thinking. So there is a difference. Unconditional Love isn't to love a piece of paper as much as the person you are dating but to love the omnipresence of god in everything since all is mind. This kind of love is a respect for all things (Not to say you can't like one thing better then another).
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2009, 08:47:31 »

Hello juliainkc,


My definition of love is based on what I was reading and what I learned from the book "Our Ultimate Reality".Respect for all life realising that everything is one(Energy) and that we are all expressions of God,therefore love everything and everyone including yourself.Love is excactly what God "believes" it to be.Therefore it will be God's reality,nothing else.Love has a potential to have the same meaning all over the "universe" and has potential not to "exist" at all over the "universe".
What I want to say is that everything that you and I are discussing right now,every term...has a potential and possibility Not to "exist" on some "other part" of the universe at all.Therefore when we speak about Unconditional Love,Mind or Energy in the form of Vibration...this all has a potential and possibility Not to "exist" on some "other part" in the universe at all.So the "universe" consisting only "Pure Energy" can be just a "small" part in this "infinite universe" that has a potential and possibility to be everything and anything.So we can either talk about Our Universe that consists only Pure Energy or we can talk about the Whole Universe that is infinite and has a potential to be everything and anything.It is possible that terms like Balance,Free Will,Mind or anything else in Our Universe does not exist at all in some other universe.And it is even possible that Our Universe in the form of Energy Has limits...the limits can be Mind,Consciouseness,Awareness,Imagination,Vibration,Energy and everything else that we know.All these things have a "possibility"(speaking in human terms because we don't know whether it is 100% true) not to exist in other "universes"...but other "universes" can aswell have their own "limits".
So the universe in all its "areas" is excactly what it "believes"(speaking in terms of Our Universe because we don't know if "belief" really exists in "other universes") it is.

So before we will continue our discussion,I need you to choose whether you want to talk about "Our part of the universe" or about the "Whole Universe"...if you want to talk about Unconditional Love and everything related to it we can can speak in terms of "Our part of the Universe" that is our reality,including Unconditional Love.
And sorry for not replying to your other replies just yet because I really want to make this part clear with you before we can continue Smiley,otherwise our discussion would be like really long and have lots of conflicts.

And by the way thank you for your pleasant comments Smiley.
And I hope you don't take anything I write as offence because my intention is really not to offend anyone,I'm just a curious 19 years old guy looking for someone that is willing to enlighten me when I'm on the "wrong" track Smiley.
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