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[Adrian]

Here we will discuss every aspect of the inner realms of life and reality including the Astral and Mental planes, and the people and Beings residing there.

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In Lak'ech,

Adrian.

[fossall]

Ultimate reality, hmmmm. The word ultimate seems to be a limiting factor here. It means once we reach it we done. As I understand the process, there is no end to anything. Only continues progress upwards. To ever more experiences and awareness. Higher level of consciousness. Some call it even evolution god forbid. So our ultimate reality is every instant of our life just to be different next instant.
And another thing, each of us has unique reality and interpretation.
Here I like to comment on tolerance. If we were more tolerant to each other views, our collective progress would have been faster. Instead we chose to fight each other view (many wars) and defend a god of our making. Poor thing, must be a really weak god needing our defense.
We need to let the old go and create a new perception of god, universal consciousness, what ever name we choose. Let god be god. He is the sum of us as we are the individual bits and peaces.
Love Paul

[Kadensnga]

Indeed. Fossall. The word "Ultimate" lends itself to the vibe of "The End", a label which challenges the inward knowing that we are a perpetually exponentially growing being... there is no ending...

Every theory in the world can be true, or not... but "I" do not change... I AM always. I am always I AM.

Learning knowledge and theory are "college studies"... "being" is the real world. I am observing all that is around me, and I am amused but unaffected... I just AM, and will always be.

My mission is to be "me".

[fossall]

True indeed. To be one self un-domesticated, free to experience and express. I find words lacking to speak the language of spirits. To me words can not be substituted with deeds. We are measured on what we do rather then what we say. But I fall for the ego more then sometimes my self. We so used to it. Some of us have the gift to use words though well.
Here I like to post a fraction from a book. I believe this is worth to ponder. Judge for yourself.
Love Paul

Quote:
Man, the banished Adam seeks to pass from the outer court of the Sanctuary (the exterior universe) into the sanctum sanctorum, but before him rises a vast creature armed with a flashing sword that moving slowly but continually, sweeps clear a wide circle, and through this "Ring Pass Not" the Adamic man cannot break.  The cherubim address the seeker thus: "Man, thou art dust and to dust thou shalt return. Thou wert fashioned by the Builder of Forms; thou belongest to the sphere of form, and the breath that was breathed into thy soul was the breath of form and like a flame it shall flicker out. More than thou art thou canst not be. Thou art a denizen of the outer world and it is forbidden thee to enter this inner place."  And the Adam replies: "Many times have I stood within this courtyard and begged admission to my Father's house and thou hast refused me and sent me back to wander in darkness. True it is that I was fashioned out of the dirt and that my Maker could not confer upon me the boon of immortality. But no more shalt thou send me away; for, wandering in the darkness, I have discovered that the Almighty hath decreed my salvation because He hath sent out of the most hidden Mystery His Only Begotten who didst take upon Himself the world fashioned by the Demiurgus. Upon the elements of that world was He crucified and from Him hath poured forth the blood of my salvation. And God, entering into His creation, hath quickened it and established therein a road that leadeth to Himself. While my Maker could not give me immortality, immortality was inherent in the very dust of which I was composed, for before the world was fabricated and before the Demiurgus became the Regent of Nature the Eternal Life had impressed itself upon the face of Cosmos. This is its sign - the Cross. Do you now deny me entrance, I who have at last learned the mystery of myself?"  And the voice replies: "He who is aware, IS! Behold!"  Gazing about him, Adam finds himself in a radiant place, in the midst of which stands a tree with flashing jewels for fruit and entwined about its trunk a flaming, winged serpent crowned with a diadem of stars. It was the voice of the serpent that had spoken.  "Who art thou?" demands the Adam.  "I", the serpent answers, "am Satan who was stoned; I am the Adversary - the Lord who is against you, the one who pleads for your destruction before the Eternal Tribunal. I was your enemy upon the day that you were formed; I have led you into temptation; I have delivered you into the hands of evil; I have maligned you; I have striven ever to achieve your undoing. I am the guardian of the Tree of Knowledge and I have sworn that none whom I can lead astray shall partake of its fruits."  The Adam replies: "For uncounted ages have I been thy servant. In my ignorance I listened to thy words and they led me into paths of sorrow. Thou hast placed in my mind dreams of power, and when I struggled to realize those dreams they brought me naught but pain. Thou hast sowed in me the seeds of desire, and when I lusted after the things of the flesh agony was my only recompense. Thou hast sent me false prophets and false reasoning, and when I strove to grasp the magnitude of Truth I found thy laws were false and only dismay rewarded my strivings. I am done with thee forever, o artful Spirit! I have tired of thy world of illusions. No longer will I labor in thy vineyards of iniquity. Get thee behind me, tempter, and the host of thy temptations. There is no happiness, no peace, no good, no future in the doctrines of selfishness, hate, and passion preached by thee. All these things do I cast aside. Renounced is thy rule forever!" 

And the serpent makes answer: "Behold, O Adam, the nature of thy Adversary !"
The serpent disappears in a blinding sunburst of radiance and in its place stands an angel resplendent in shining, golden garments with great scarlet wings that spread from one corner of the heavens to the other. Dismayed and awestruck, the Adam falls before the divine creature, "I am the Lord who is against thee and thus accomplishes thy salvation," continues the voice. "Thou hast hated me, but through the ages yet to come thou shalt bless me, for I have led thee out of the sphere of the Demiurgus; I have turned thee against the illusion of worldliness; I have weaned thee of desire; I have awakened in thy soul the immortality of which I myself partake. Follow me, O Adam, for I am the Way, the Life, and the Truth!"

The above excerpt has been taken from "An Encyclopedic Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic, and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy" by Manly P. Hall.


(Demiurgus  = creator of the material world)

[Kadensnga]

True indeed. To be one self un-domesticated, free to experience and express. I find words lacking to speak the language of spirits. To me words can not be substituted with deeds. We are measured on what we do rather then what we say. But I fall for the ego more then sometimes my self. We so used to it. Some of us have the gift to use words though well.
Here I like to post a fraction from a book. I'd believe this is worth to ponder. Judge for yourself.
Love Paul

Dear Fossell.

I do not believe your words lack at all... I sense the spirit very much in your language. however , I must add my perspective on one point... as you say that, we are measured by deeds and not words... my own belief is that we are not measured at all. That one is worth a ponder also.

Just thought I'd share the thought, because it has empowered me greatly.

Very nice reading..., and thank you for your consideration in engaging me in dialogue.

Namaste ~ Truly., in the "Talker" sense.
Kadensnga

[Larry]

To measure me is to not know me. To give me rules and laws, is to not know me. I AM  Larry

[Kadensnga]

Rock n roll Larry!

Thats what I am talking about! Universal baby...one with God... There is no measuring... measuring of what?

Measuring that which is all that is against that which is all that is?

Measuring that which is omnipotent with that which is omnipotent...?

You either 'get it' or you don't.

I know fossall "gets it" though... these are just semantics...

I feel he is coming from the same place we are... and even if I didn't feel it, nor he felt it..., he would still be coming from the same place. lol

Namaste Larry,

Kadensnga

[Larry]

To discuse beings in astral or any other spiritual junkyard is an absolute waste of words. There is NO ONE that can truthfully say that any being other than mankind, has ever spoken or shown it's self to them. If it is not truth what is it?  I AM Larry

[fossall]

You see, words. Measuring the unmeasurable.  By this word I was more thinking on been of inspiration to others who still are in deep sleep. Actioning the love of spirit, letting the soul shine. Show the way, don't describe it.
Paul

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Paul,


Thank you for the interesting read into the mind of the Masonic Philosophy. If this is 'masonic'... as the rest of the words I suppose is where Mr. Manly P. Hall got inspired.

Of course the basics are the same (as in Kabbalah, from little I know... the title uses the word Quabbalah which means is the Christian version and true enough from the the Crucifixion theme... quite interesting .. ) the difference is the 'style' in which the revelation of the 'adversary' was presented.  
And I suppose we can recognise the eloquence of the 18th century perhaps in its dramatic expression.
And... in this is where people have a hard time 'connecting' or 'relating' as that language is not used anymore, nor the symbols of that era are any valid in these times. Thus for those who do not have the research background on across the traditions spiritual philosophy your fragment is indeed lost (at first).  

Also one other element into the masonic philosophy stands in its not keeping up with the times, as female students are still considered apart from men thus not part of the same office (they have a separate school of thought for women). True Kabbalah and Hermetism makes no gender distinction  (souls are above gender).
Regardless as we keep saying here keep what is good, what brings Light into your life. Other souls vibrate to other input. This becomes clear when One masters the language of compassion - in this language the most important thing is compassion for others, for everything and this goes above one's need to enlighten others no matter how well intended and loving he is.  

The people are exactly where they are suppose to be, the Creator forces are acting in the right and adequate measure in everybody... to bring them to the place where they see the forces of Satan as the polar expression of the Divine. If you feel you have crossed that barrier be happy and rejoice, give thanks...pray for others and above all no matter what meets the eye be aware that they also are expression of one universal indwelling God, life force energy. To see them asleep and to take into your own hands the matter of their awakening is just another masked expression of the Ego (which is always tricked by the hidden faces of Satan ..) rest assured that nothing in this world happens without the will of the Father.

You are an inspiration!! Of that have no doubt. Words are like seeds falling into subconscious.. it takes a bit to germinate and sprout.

Namaste beloved friend.

[juliainkc]

Showing the way is describing IT. Now ones can draw from the well according to the 'size' of their 'cup of blessing'.

Each one decides. No one else can nor has ever done this for another. IT is according to ONEs Faith.

The size of ONES 'Container'.

Just water from the well ~

Loves Light swirling and spinning ~

Julia

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Paul

Ultimate reality, hmmmm. The word ultimate seems to be a limiting factor here.

From personal experience when we see limitations without (outside of us) means only that we reach another limit ourselves that needs be transcended.

Remember everything we see comes to us through our own frame of reference (veil... limitation ...the level where more Light is hidden).

Soon that barrier is crossed with the inner effort and affirmation that the world (reality) we experience is perfect into itself and what we see is only what is visible to us at 'where we are'. Imagine closing your eyes then someone brushes something against your face, and it feels soft and tender... you smell it, and the fragrance is wonderful ... what do you think at this point?!?...pause a second to be aware of your feelings...

... then the object brought into your awareness brushes in it's wholeness against your skin and it scratches you to bleeding..it hurts!!! ... what you think now? what you do now?? do you scream? "take this away from me because it's Evil!!" ? ...

Then you open your eyes ...and voila it was a beautiful rose. Perfection in itself. Now you see on how and where the limitation of not having the image of it ...takes your train of thought.

(This idea was presented by a Kabbalist trying to help others understand on how not having the spiritual senses makes us look at the picture from inside of it, from a limited angle

We give the word "ultimate" many meanings (see http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ultimate) ..now which one you chose to "see" ?

For me right now this one works: 1. extreme, remotest, uttermost. 2. supreme.   I might change my mind when the next sight opens for me I might not even find the right words ...

Namaste Paul my friend into awakening

[Mina-Laura]

Namaste Julia!

Showing the way is describing IT. Now ones can draw from the well according to the 'size' of their 'cup of blessing'.

Each one decides. No one else can nor has ever done this for another. IT is according to ONEs Faith.

The size of ONES 'Container'.

Just water from the well ~

Loves Light swirling and spinning ~

Julia

The man people call Jesus was indeed a Master!!! ... few words meaning so much to those ready to see beyond the 'cup' or 'vessel' as just an object of form.

[juliainkc]

Namaste Julia!

The man people call Jesus was indeed a Master!!! ... few words meaning so much to those ready to see beyond the 'cup' or 'vessel' as just an object of form.

HA HA!! ~ Playfull ness Adventuring ~

YES!! And yet Beloved Sister, so many ...

choose to belive it is 'One' ... only ... a story ~

Kisses on your 3rd I 3 Fold cord ~

Never Leave




GOD



out of ... 'out side' the picture ~

Big Steven Tyler, Mick Jaggar style ~

kissie lips on ONEs boo boo's 

Laura, Namaste`


JuliaBEing your Voice ~

Love is a given as IT is received ~

[juliainkc]

TRUTH




Laura ~ Wakarimasu HONTO YO!!

 ~ Blessings ... endless ... bridge ... BE ~


Kiss and hugs, Namaste`



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