Vegans, Diet, Raw Foods and Health Posts

[Eagle of Light]

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[nay]

Haha!  That's great!

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[Awakened Soul]

I was raised as a Christian and if I remember correctly, the Bible says that animals were meant to provide food for humans, but they should only eat what they really needed.

Although I am not a Christian in traditional sense anymore, I do think there's a lot of truth in the Bible. It's not the Bibles fault that certain Christians may interpret it wrong.

[Adrian]

Hello Awakened Soul,

I was raised as a Christian and if I remember correctly, the Bible says that animals were meant to provide food for humans, but they should only eat what they really needed.

Although I am not a Christian in traditional sense anymore, I do think there's a lot of truth in the Bible. It's not the Bibles fault that certain Christians may interpret it wrong.

We cannot rely on anything written in the bible. Much of it has been written and/or interpreted in material terms to suit the church and what suits people generally. I.e. if they want to eat meat they will ensure that the bible says it is OK

Probably 90%+ of the bible never originally existed, and that 10% or so that did exist has been totally misinterepreted in material terms.

There is also a huge difference between hunting animals for survival and slaughtering them so someone can enjoy a big mac or a steak, both of which are to gratify the sense of taste.

Countless animals are slaughtered, often horribly after equally horrible lives, just to gratify the sense of taste of human beings.  

If you look at what animals have to go through, e.g. to produce veal for example, it is shocking and a huge crime against the Universe. There will always be a price to pay, but it doesn't help those animals right now.

I am not saying this to preach against eating meat per se, but we can live much healthier lives as vegans than as meat eaters.

Look at the weight and health problems of today; obesity, especially in children, diabetes, heart disease and much more, mostly due to eating meats. Some adults are totally irresponsible in feeding their kids junk foods. Obese children become obese adults.

The only reason people eat meat is becuase they like the taste. The fact is though Vegan food and prepared non-meat food like Quorn are very nice to eat. A hot and spicy Quorn curry takes alot of beating

Best regards,

Adrian.

[patapouf]

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Really cool!

Thanks!

[Reisender]

Hello Adrian,

I hope that this is not inappropriate but would it be possible to get your “Hot and Spicy Quorn Curry” recipe or are you using their pre-packaged ‘Simply Sauté - Thai’? There is a source for Quorn here in Las Vegas but I am not one who is much of a fan of pre-packaged foods. They are using egg in it, is that OK? If you would not mind.
Thank you,

Reisender

[Nicholas]

If everyone were to become vegetarian many of the hunger problems in this world could be solved.  Take a second and imagine all the food you've eaten to become the person you are.  Now, think about all the meat inside of you.  The ammount of life force someone could get from eating you is much less than the ammount of life force they could feed themselves and many others with from the food you've eaten to become who you are.  

It's the same way with animals, I believe.  I've heard that non free-roaming cattle consume 20kg of grain to get to the point of being able to be eaten.  So, we've covered why it is more ethical ( in my opinion ) to be vegetarian.
 

Ok I still have a problem with saying that eatting meat is wrong. And as far as saying cows don't eat meat and they are fine, well grazing animals have completely different digestive systems and cows have 4 compartments in their stomaches including special bacteria to break down the grasses which we do not have.

On another note if you are to say that killing any animal is wrong and eatting meat is wrong then what about animals that only eat meat such as tigers. Should we look at them as evil because they kill other animals everyday in order to survive? I mean it is one thing to choose a life style diet but another to condem beings for surviving in the physical realm.

I'd like you to give me a list of charastics of the human body that suggest we should eat meat.  Our hands are not claw shaped or sharp.  If you think about it, they are actually made perfectly for picking vegetables or holding fruit.  Our teeth are not all pointy and sharp like that of a tiger or shark.  They are flat ( except for the 2 canine teeth ) and designed for chomping rather than ripping apart.  The fact is, it's okay for a tiger to rip apart another animal to stay alive because that is what tigers were designed for.  Humans were not designed to chase after a little bunny in the woods and rip it apart with our teeth.  When you see a rabbit do you want to rip it apart and eat it or think about how pretty / cute it is?  If you want to destroy it I'd say you're with the minority. Nature provides us with all the fruits and vegetables we need to survive.  We don't really even need soy or tofu to survive.  Those are just made as alternatives for people trying to get over not being able to put butter on their bread and corn, or something like that.

As for being vegan ( This is what I am), there is a lot more gray area here. Dairy is meant for baby cows.  We aren't baby cows, we aren't designed to consume dairy.  Studys even show that a lot of cow milk / dairy products from animals OTHER than humans coat the digestive system and make absorption in the small intestine harder.  That is enough for me not to consume milk, cheese, or other dairy products.  With eggs... I don't know.  I just can't see myself enjoying eating something I know came from a chicken coated in blood and other bodily fluids.  Bees produce honey naturally...  Is it okay to take some of their honey to use in chapstick or to eat?  I don't know.  I don't know if the bees mind doing what they are made to do...  but part of being a vegan is respecting all animals and what they do to live.  I woulnd't like it if someone kept taking what I made without asking for my permission first( even if I'm not really even using it ).  

Basically, it's all about what is natural and what we are designed to do as humans.  Much of the time we let our senses get in the way of something that is natural....  Like... we become accustomed to the taste of meat so we start eating it with every meal.  There are a lot of other examples like this.  

That's just my two cents...

Nicholas

[jonmou]

Meat eatting list:

- 12 of my 28 teeth a pointed and very sharp

- yes we have hands with no claws, we make tool like knives we pick up stones and smash things with them, then guns and so on making it easier to hunt

- Humans have surived so long and encompased the whole earth because of our extremely varied diet, which includes meat

- fossil evidence shows that humans since the begining some 2.5 million years ago have eatten meat, do a google search

- you can look at some of our closey related species such as chimps.  They eat meat, they will hunt baboons in a group, kill them and eat them.  You don't need claws to hunt, they use stones



These are just some things off the top of my head, I am sure if I really researched I could show you health benefits, evolutionary benefits, and more on why meat eatting is good.

Notice that at no point I have said that it is wrong to not eat meat.  In fact if you choose not to thats perfectly fine, thats the great thing about humans is we have a choice about what we can eat, practicaly anything.  

On another note I agree that the way in which many distributors and farms where meat is processed are very barbaric and inhumane.  I personaly only eat organic products.

And again my problem comes from people who try to say that the simple act of eatting meat is some how fundamentaly wrong.  There are worse things than meat out there, like sugar, caffeine, tobacco smokes, and alchohol.  These are things that have just recently been introduced in the human diet and are incredibly destructive.  Meat as I said before has been in the human diet for 2.5 million years and has helped our species survive.  At any rate thats enough said there.

[Adrian]

Hello Nicholas,

Basically, it's all about what is natural and what we are designed to do as humans.  Much of the time we let our senses get in the way of something that is natural....  Like... we become accustomed to the taste of meat so we start eating it with every meal.  There are a lot of other examples like this.  

That's just my two cents...

Nicholas

Thank you very much for your post and how right you are!

Your above quote is particularly relevant. As with everything it is all about what is intended to be natural.

Slaughtering animals to gratify the sense of taste is not natural. As you point out quite rightly, humans are not designed to naturally eat meat.

The fact is, humans generally still do not even think about these important matters. They decide what they want and take it regardless of the suffering inflicted on animals and indeed other humans.

The same applies to the Earth itself with humans destroying trees etc.

Before humanity can truly evolve all this has to stop and the focus moved towards helping all aspects of the Universe and not exploiting it.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[Steve428]

Hi Adrian,
 Would you, by any chance, tell me how you went about healing your Asthma?  Even just generalizing is fine, like.. did you use visualization as in seeing your lungs wide and open, or just simply visualizing yourself realizing "this is great, I haven't had an attack for two weeks, now, it's gone".

Mine never gets real bad, but it gets very uncomfortable sometimes.

Steve

[Adrian]

Hello Steve,

Hi Adrian,
 Would you, by any chance, tell me how you went about healing your Asthma?  Even just generalizing is fine, like.. did you use visualization as in seeing your lungs wide and open, or just simply visualizing yourself realizing "this is great, I haven't had an attack for two weeks, now, it's gone".

Mine never gets real bad, but it gets very uncomfortable sometimes.

Steve

It was a combination of imagination and feelings with the necessary emotion. As I mention in my book, gratitude is a very important aspect of healing and indeed any form of attraction, because it affirms to the Universe that the desired result is already a reality.

So for asthma I imagine being able to breathe perfectly all the time, and how wonderful it is to breathe fresh air effortlessly, and above all to feel the gratitude for such effortless breathing. You could also use affirmations such as "I enjoy breathing effortlessy".  Also focus on the chest area visualising the breathing process occuring effortlessly.

Asthma can be a chronic condition, at least it was in my case because I often spent most of the day and often the night just using every bit of strength to draw a breath until finally I experienced a massive attack which nearly projected me into the non-physical world. I stopped breathing in the ambulance and was more or less out of this physical life when I arrived at hospital.

But here I am and I never have asthma to any extent at all now.

There is no condition that cannot be cured. Often it might seem like a "miracle", but really no such thing exists. Everything including every aspect of our physical body is Energy, and like all Energy it is influenced by the powers of the Mind.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[Steve428]

Great, thanks a lot Adrian. That was helpful

[jonmou]

Well it has become clear that no one is going to even attempt to put some sort of evidence to back claims that it is "unnatural" or "wrong" to eat meat.  I have posted evidence for the other side, both physical and spiritual.  Another thing is that there remains many questions unanswered.
 Such questions as: How can it be wrong to kill animals for food yet not wrong to kill plants for food?
 In reading the book, Our Ultimate Reality", it talks about how there is no "death" there is just a change in energy form or transfer of energy.  So in actuallity you are not destroying the animal but releasing it to the next manefestation.

Most importantly before going off into many different aspects of this topic I think the above question should truely be answered.  Plants are life, perhaps even more evolved then animals.  Plants feel just as all beings do.  So please let me know how it is ok to do as you say is done to animals, destory plants just to satisfy the sense of taste?

[Adrian]

Hello jonmou,

These are very valid questions, and it all comes down to "what is natural".

Clearly breeding cattle in attrocious conditions and then slaughtering them to provide someone with a big mac to satisfy their sense of taste is not natural.

However, to gather naturally occuring vegetation that has been provided by the Universe to eat is natural.

You only have to look at the entire "food chain" in general to see that human beings are the only form of life to abuse it for selfish reasons.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[jonmou]

Again the same conditions are made for vegetation in the forms of massive crops sprayed with pesticides, harvested, used and abused.  The idea of gathering plants simply does not exist in a modern civilization.  It should also be pointed out that its called hunter/gatherers.  So from what you are saying it seems that it can only be right to hunt only free animals and gather wild plants?