Vegans, Diet, Raw Foods and Health Posts

[jonmou]

Hi all,

   I have searched all over the internet and seen various methodes of fasting.  They range from having nothing at all to very egtravegant juice fasting programs.  Does anyone have a good fasting idea from their own experiences?  And please spare no detail.  My main reason for wanting to fast is to attempt to cleans my body of the uncounted toxins I probly have built up.  

   Thanks in advance,
               Jonmou

[MAKAVELI00119]

Hey jonmou,

I personally fast once a week, Sundays, consuming only water for the entire day. It gives my body a break and a chance to get rid of whatever toxins may have accumulated in the past week. I also perform The Lemonade Diet by Stanley Burroughs once a year which consists of drinking only water and the "lemonade", (mix of organic lemons, organic maple syrup, cayenne pepper and water), for at least ten days. I've read mixed reviews of the "diet" but my personal experience with it is quite positive and is and avenue you may wish to explore, especially if your goal is to rid your body of built up toxins.

The purpose of my fasting is to eliminate toxins as well but I love the other benefits that come with it such as increased energy(believe it or not), increased dream recall, clearer sharper mind and increased energy body sensations which all can go a long way in our line of work   .

HTH,

David

[Adrian]

Hello Jonmou,

Hi all,

   I have searched all over the internet and seen various methodes of fasting.  They range from having nothing at all to very egtravegant juice fasting programs.  Does anyone have a good fasting idea from their own experiences?  And please spare no detail.  My main reason for wanting to fast is to attempt to cleans my body of the uncounted toxins I probly have built up.  

   Thanks in advance,
               Jonmou

I have juice fasted for up to 6 weeks at a time, but usually 4 weeks.

During long juice fasts the most willpower is required during the first 10 days or so after which time it becomes progressively easier.

In fact, I personally would not call a juice fast a "fast" at all, being rather an extremely healthy diet. The word "fast" is relative and probably only applies to someone who eats "traditional" type foods such as meat and even fast foods. To such a person a juice fast really is a fast by comparison.

I am a vegan anyway, and I do not drink alcohol, caffeine or other mind altering substances. So to me a juice fast is really just an extension of my usual diet.

Vegan and therefore juice fasts or diets are extremely healthy. There is no doubting the damage people are doing to themselves by eating alot of meats and in particular fast foods. This is why obesity, heart disease, diabetes and many related disorders are increasing at an alarming rate, particularly among children. The Universal Law of Cause and Effect is ever present even in eating. That is notwitstanding the fact that it is quite simply and clearly wrong to destroy animals, which after all are aspects of ourselves, simply to satisfy the sense of taste. Again, Cause and Effect will always prevail; there are no exceptions. Of course it is necessary to eat a balanced diet and that includes protein, but there are many sources of healthy and ethically acceptable protein such as soya products.

Another consideration is that meat and fast food type products along with caffeine, alcohol etc. lower vibrations, and make many Spiritual practices such as Astral projection that much more difficult.

On the subject of juice fasts, it is important to do them properly and that means juicing fresh fruits and vegetables. It does not mean buying juice in cartons from the supermarket The type of juicer you use is also very important. You must have a proper worm drive type juicer and not one of these centrifugal type devices that look like blenders. The centrifugal type destroy the vital enzymes and other nutritional components.  You can juice almost anything. There are some extremely good things you can juice such as wheat grass which contains an amazing number of powerful nutrients, enzymes etc..  Elephants grow to a weight of several tons and live a great number of years on wheat grass.

If you are going to do a juice fast, which is highy recommended for de-toxification of your body, I would suggest starting out doing one for 3 days, and then next time extending it to perhaps a week and so on.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[jonmou]

I saw a reply in another post about this and decided to make it a new topic.

Adrian wrote  "The Universal Law of Cause and Effect is ever present even in eating. That is notwitstanding the fact that it is quite simply and clearly wrong to destroy animals, which after all are aspects of ourselves, simply to satisfy the sense of taste."

I personally don't drink alcohol, caffeine, I try my best to stay away from artificial sugar, but I do eat meat.  And I eat meat because I am an omnivore as I thought all humans to be and never thought it could be wrong.  I know that sounds silly and I know people can choose to not eat meat and I don't think that's wrong.

And now the question to Adrian or anyone else:  If it is wrong to destroy animals for food because they are aspects of ourselves then wouldn't it also be wrong to eat plants since they are also life and ultimately aspects of ourselves?  

A second thing I must wonder which goes a little deeper is what truely determines right and wrong, good and bad, in a world that is but a reflection of or an illusion to our higher selves?

[malganis]

Hi Adrian,

i would like to further this question. I have been interested lately in various ways of nutrition. I have read about raw food and i jumped right in it. Four months ago i ate raw food for 10 days and i had to quit becuase of indigestion. I started eating cooked food again. I have lost about 8 kg and came to 55 kg at 173 cm height. I still have similar weight because i dont eat meat and little bread. I'm 20 btw.

I eat a lot of fruit and vegetable. To get some fat i ate avocadoes but now i cannot even think on them and nuts but i get acnes due to them.
What would you recommend to get some weight or will it come just by itself by thinking i have ideal weight? I am a bit skeptic about that if i dont change something in my nutrition.

Or you could just explain what you eat and when you started with vegan diet and did you have any problems in transition peroid?

Your answer will be very much appreciated.

malganis

[Adrian]

Hello malganis,

The first thing we need to keep in mind is that the human body was probably never "designed" to eat meat. There is alot of paleoanthrological evidence to support this. Sometime in the evolution of mankind, hundreds of thousands of years ago, mankind turned to hunting animals and hence the meat habit began. Of cource over time the human body has, to a certain extent, evolved to accomodate meat; e.g. as in the teeth.

Humans are conditioned to believe, usually by parents, relations, friends etc. that eating meat is the normal thing to do, and fast food outlets are responsible for accentuating that belief.

In fact not only does the human anatomy not only not require meat, it can thrive without meat. Meat contains untold toxins not to mention saturated fats, cholesterol and numerous other adverse materials. If you look at the beneficial aspects of meat, then its counterpart can always be found in the plant world.

Soya is obviously one example, but I eat alot of a product called "Quorn" which is made from a special type of fungus. I make hot and spicy curries and many other things from Quorn. Quorn can also be purchased as burgers and other types of prepared food; all very tasty:

 http://www.quorn.com/

Of course there are numerous types of vegetables, nuts, pulses as well. I find all of these very tasty, much more so than meat.

It is of course best to eat raw vegetables wherever possible, salads etc.. but when you do eat cooked vegetables it is best to microwave them and not boil them which kills the enzymes and destroys alot of the nutritional value.

As for weight, you don't need fat to put oin weight. Weight is a function of how your body processes Energy, i.e. calories, and processes the food generally. Unfortunately alot of people get obssessed by the concept of "ideal weight" etc. when in fact they are really wanting to conform to the expectations of others as with so many things.

The important thing is that you eat a balanced diet and you are healthy.

As for weight and the Mind; absolutely weight can be influenced by the Mind. Everything is influenced by Mind because we are pure Energy and Energy is influenced by Mind. As with all forms of Mind Power you need never concern yourself with how you will achieve the idea weight but only that you are already the ideal weight.

By using the methods in Our Ultimate Reality you can achieve anything at all including the ideal weight.

Likewise when moving to a Vegan diet, which I highly recommend, you just need to know beyond any doubt in your mind that you find the transition healthy and enjoyable and you will be better for it. Again, you can use the Creating your Reality techniques in my book to achieve this.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[Adrian]

Hello Jonmou,

That of course is a very valid question. The Universe clearly intends us to survive in physical form while we are in the material world.

As with Karma generally, an important aspect is motive. As I mentioned in my other post, humans were never originally "designed" to eat meat at all, being fundamentally gatherers.

If you look at the planet generally, there is an abundance of plant life that not only has food value, but also has medicinal value as well as many other healing properties. Everything without exception that a the human race needs to survice can be found naturally in nature.

However, as mankind has become more materia focussed, morre selfish and egocentric, humans have focussed entirely upon their own "wants", based, as with everything, to satisfy the five physical senses, in this case taste. Humans have decided that burgers taste nice for example, and as a result untold millions of cattle have to be slaughtered just so people can sit in McDonalds and enjoy a Big Mac. Actually, to their credit, McDonalds have also started selling Quorn burgers now and very nice they are too

So to answer your questio; we must meditate and ask ourselves what is natural and has been proivided for us by The Source, and what is a direct result of the human focus of selfishly satisfying the physical regardless of the consequences. This of course also extends to commercial considerations such as the livestock farming "industry" and worse of all the "drug" industry.

If you meditate and ask the questions as to what is right and what is wrong, then the answers will always be provided, but in general terms the question to ask is "what has The Source provided us with for our own survival and well-being.

I would just like to add, and again I discuss this in my book, there are no such things as "vermin" or "weeds". These are labels that humans have attached to creatures and plants that humans perceive to intefere with their pursuit of material gain.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[patapouf]

Hey what's up everybody, there is one false association that we can often hear people talk about. Like we all know, proteins are an important thing to have in our diets, especially if you workout a lot. The problem is that many will think that they need to eat beef proteins to ''be strong'' like a beef (if you know what I mean....). Well, they should question themselves what the ''beef'' eats to become strong like that; the answer is not meat.... So this mean that meat it not essential in the diet. But beware, if you decide to become vegetarian, it is important to eat your daily dose of proteins everyday. This is the reason why cows and other huge animals (ex: elephants) eat so much....

Take care,

[Reisender]

Hi Everyone
I am curious in regard to this subject matter. How does one reconcile this situation: Take for example the Lakota People and the Buffalo? The Lakota held the Buffalo in very high regard to what some would consider a spiritual regard. The Buffalo was their primary source of meat and therefore food (there were of course other sources of meat, but the Buffalo was considered the most important), hides for clothing and shelter, bones and horns for tools etc. As was ultimately proven, destroy the Buffalo and you destroy the way of life of these people as they existed for hundreds of years. Because their way of life was so dependent upon an animal does not deem their existence as bad.
I would be interested in others opinions.

Reisender

[Adrian]

Hello everyone,

It is an excellent observation that people often believe to become big and strong they need to eat the meat of the animals who are also big and strong. But as you say, these animals grow that way on vegetation. mostly types of grass. Elephants are huge and muscular of course and they grow to tons in weight eating grasses.

As for the Indians; hunting is a part of their tradition. They are as focussed on that aspects of their lives as people in the more material parts of the world are focussed on cars, houses, and other material things.

It is also true to say that the native Americans have some very powerful medicine derived from natural ingredients.

The truth is, if buffalo and other animals were not available they would find food and materials from plant sources as many other culture so.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[jonmou]

Ok I still have a problem with saying that eatting meat is wrong.  And as far as saying cows don't eat meat and they are fine, well grazing animals have completely different digestive systems and cows have 4 compartments in their stomaches including special bacteria to break down the grasses which we do not have.
 
On another note if you are to say that killing any animal is wrong and eatting meat is wrong then what about animals that only eat meat such as tigers.  Should we look at them as evil because they kill other animals everyday in order to survive?  I mean it is one thing to choose a life style diet but another to condem beings for surviving in the physical realm.

[patapouf]

Eating habits is an extremely touchy subject, and I also had in mind a similar example that you stated Reisender. jonmou, you are also right about the digestive system that cows have. But what I mean is that in this present modern overpopulated world, we can live without eating so much meat in our eating habits; basically, we should try to eat less meat. I do eat meat also but I try to see if there is other food that may be better for myself. If it is true that there is other protein sources other than meat that are much better for us, why not eat it! I drink a lot of soymilk now and eat a lot of vegetables and feel really good and healthy and I can consider myself lucky for that.

One huge problem also is that we are all disconnected from the products that we buy, eat, etc. we do not see where it is coming from, we do not kill our meat or grow our food; everything is centralized now. The way they raise animals and different agricultural plants are not being done in a natural way and this is what preoccupies me the most. We boost everything around us to make it bigger, faster, stronger so some people can get more $$. And of course, let's not talk about genetically modified food.... Think about it, with all the new technologies, everything should be cheaper right? That is not the case, many things that we can see now is being added with some funky ingredients that make it look like if it was natural. To eat ''real'' food is not affordable for many! (think about bio as an example). What is the most natural thing as become a luxary now; are we progressing? The way we modify all the food that we eat is also a huge issue that we have to resolve, and easier to say that it is, in the long run, more ''wrong'' than ''right.

Probably to live in harmony with nature and to fit adequately in the ecosystem where we live is the best approach maybe; hunters and gatherers are a really good example. Like we all know it, there is a huge restructuration that we have to go through if we want a better life for the future generations. We better start now.... Or we will be forced in the hard way later.... Everything is unstable on this planet right now and probably the ''yin-yan equilibrium'' will, I hope, get back pretty soon in our life; and go back to live an harmonious life with ''everything'' later....

Take care,

[nay]

Ok I still have a problem with saying that eatting meat is wrong.  And as far as saying cows don't eat meat and they are fine, well grazing animals have completely different digestive systems and cows have 4 compartments in their stomaches including special bacteria to break down the grasses which we do not have.
 
On another note if you are to say that killing any animal is wrong and eatting meat is wrong then what about animals that only eat meat such as tigers.  Should we look at them as evil because they kill other animals everyday in order to survive?  I mean it is one thing to choose a life style diet but another to condem beings for surviving in the physical realm.

Hi Jonmou,

I eat meat and Adrian still likes me..  I guess in this life I'm just not quite on that level.  It used to make me feel guilty and below others...not anymore.   We all will live our lives the way we were meant to and if that means I like meat, then so be it.   And if it lowers me in other eyes, so be it..can't make everyone happy.

Who knows maybe a few years from now I'll change my attitude or
appetite, or it might take me a couple more lives to get there, eh?  I'm ok with that.

My two cents,
Nay

[bnk67]

Adrian,

I was wondering if you could be a little more specific about a good juicer.  I have been reading a book by David Wolfe and he preaches about the benefits of juice and a vegan lifestyle and I would like to check into getting my own juicer.  Thanks in advance and thanks for writing the book.

[Adrian]

Hello,

Thank you for your kind comments.

Adrian,

I was wondering if you could be a little more specific about a good juicer.  I have been reading a book by David Wolfe and he preaches about the benefits of juice and a vegan lifestyle and I would like to check into getting my own juicer.  Thanks in advance and thanks for writing the book.

The best juicer I have found and indeed own is the "Matstone 6 in 1 Juicer".

In the USA the same juicer is under the "Samson" name I believe. You can look them up in Google or get one for the best price usually from eBay:

USA: http://search.ebay.com/samson-juicer_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8

UK: http://search.ebay.co.uk/matstone-juicer_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8

These are extremely strong, efficient and easy to use and clean, and will also do other things like slice vegetables, make noodles and so on.

This is a true wheatgrass grade juicer. As I mentioned before, don't buy one of those centrifugal juicers that look like a blender because they destroy the enzymes in the food and most of the food value.

Best regards,

Adrian.