UnCurable Diseases?

[Praveen]

Somethings been bothering me a little recently, I really started thinking about it after reading it in OUR book.
In the chapter about creative visualization for healing Adrian says most diseases are curable expect some terminal
diseases like cancer because of something about Karma.

But he always also say "The Law of Attraction" or Principle of Expression works all the time for everyone without exception,
so that just seems a little contradictory. How come them it doesn't work in this case. And if we are not sometimes able
to change our situation for some diseases is it also possible that there are other things in our lives that we are just
simply not MEANT to experience or posses? 

Thanks for everyone's thoughts I read this chapter a while ago but it was brought to my attention again when I found out
Robert Collier the author of "The Secret Of the Ages" who also says the subconscious mind has full control of our body also died
at the age of 65 of cancer.

Thanks

-Praveen

[juliainkc]

Hello Dear Praveen,

Welcome Home!! Hmmm... a 'touchy' subject that seems to go against this idea of Perfection in the ways of abundance and wealth. Wellll... okay, I am up for the wrestling match! Been exercised in it enough. As in being willing to be childlike, 'controversial'. Not because I like conflict, actually I prefer to avoid confrontations as much as is humanly possible. It's just that the more I 'tried to avoid' them the more they seem to 'chase after' me until I was 'cornered'!

This allowed me to exhaust every possible argument I had against calling Source or GOD unfair and even yikes, a LIAR. TRUTH. If you could hear the thoughts I once had, you would not recognize me today! In fact if I weren't the one that had my life experience, I wouldn't have recognized myself either as in who I AM today.

So, forgive in advance for using controversial text in this seeming contradictory idea. The Bible. The Apostle Paul was known to have a persisting 'affliction or ailment' that he could not shake himself free of. So, read on again, first begin by asking for Divine Wisdom and Discernment here and then read this scripture;

2 Corinthians 12:7-10 (New International Version)

 7To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan (controversy, a remnant of disbelief), to torment me.

8Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me.

9But he said to me, "My grace (favor, I LOVE you completely as you are now)  is sufficient (all you 'need') for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore (Knowing this now) I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. (Boast as in BE confident that you are seen complete as one in GOD's unearned favor or grace).

10That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Afflictions serve to keep us grounded in our SOURCE. As it is easy to be a talented one and get a Big Head about it. Truly. We have all heard of ones who receive Divine Revelations and they let IT go to their heads (ego ~ excluding GODs OmniPresence).

This is why I do and have shared in the Projections thread about those whom have these afflictions are being viewed as 'less' spiritual as in NOT!! IT IS ALL GOD.

These seeming illnesses can be used Divinely for the GLORY of GOD not to show one as less than. Robert Collier, did not transform with the idea of having lived a less than Ideal life here Praveen. He did and could exit in any way he chose because he was not concerned with the thoughts of being viewed as Godly by others. He knew he was no matter what.

This is another 'wake up' call for us to take our eyes off the physical as our defining who we are and focus on the REAL SOURCE of who we are and how IT chooses to express IT SELF ~ our ORIGINATOR ~ GENERATOR as IT so chooses. Diversity is the way of growing by accepting this ~ All Life.

Nothing will be as it seems here right now. Truly anything, absolutely anything can be used to define SOURCE even a dirty diaper. OmniPresent, OmniScient, OmniPotent. What is not GOD?

Only we limit our ideas of what GOD IS ~ Truth ~ shared openly for consideration. Now then, what do we have to defend when all barriers to GODs Presence is removed? Hmmm....?

Just let this one flow through, Breathe in and Release ~

Love in Divine Spirit,

Julia

[Talker]

Somethings been bothering me a little recently, I really started thinking about it after reading it in OUR book.
In the chapter about creative visualization for healing Adrian says most diseases are curable expect some terminal
diseases like cancer because of something about Karma.

But he always also say "The Law of Attraction" or Principle of Expression works all the time for everyone without exception,
so that just seems a little contradictory. How come them it doesn't work in this case. And if we are not sometimes able
to change our situation for some diseases is it also possible that there are other things in our lives that we are just
simply not MEANT to experience or posses? 

Thanks for everyone's thoughts I read this chapter a while ago but it was brought to my attention again when I found out
Robert Collier the author of "The Secret Of the Ages" who also says the subconscious mind has full control of our body also died
at the age of 65 of cancer.

Thanks

-Praveen

Hello Praveen, and All Sharing Souls.

You are experiencing that which was a 'needle under the fingernails' for me decades ago. Little by slow, with many inner conflicts, a degree of comprehension arrived, that seemed to be the answer, to what you are posing, question wise.
Basically, 'why even try, if so many learned and wise souls, perish from ills , that could be eliminated using  the very concepts they preach and teach about through their writings !'.

Talk about a yo-yo effect, belief wise.
Here I (we) are, just coming into a ray of 'hope' that I (we) to, could rid ourselves of illness and disease's that plague mankind, using Source and Mind, to achieve it. Then we hear or read that those very speakers and writers, have passed on due to an illness or disease that they were telling us, could be corrected or eliminated, using 'Mind, beliefs and Source. Sheesh, if they couldn't do it, what hope is there for me (us) !

Well Praveen, let us first recognize, that we are all special and unique souls. Each soul, is on a mission to experience a wide array of physical life experiences. As I have come to believe, we do choose, before birth, a number of experiences, that are wanted. We are not forced to adhere to any chosen plan though, and, as I understand it, can decide to take another alternate path, giving rise to a domino effect of changed experiences for those involved with the original planning.
Of course all this, is not easily or readily understandable from where we see it happening.

Than there was a write, I came across that stated 'there are no incurable diseases, but there are incurable people'. Wow, what a cop out I thought. Digging deeper, seeking any kind of answer, was where a modicum of comprehension arrived. Not a whole bunch, but at least a degree of it, that started to make sense, but not necessarily being the whole truth of it.

Ah, it would take reams of paper to cover all the thoughts here,
will cut to the chase.

1- Prebirth planning.
2- beliefs.
3- emotions.
4- faith.
5- intent.
6- desires.

Mix and match, some, part of, or all together, and you have unlimited probabilities and possibilities to contend with.

Regardless of the situations involved, let the 'wrong emotions' creep in and gain a foothold for what ever reason, beliefs and intent will commence to erode, leading to a seeming failure of all
concepts one may be teaching or learning.

Consider the situation of Jesus, were the 'words of Jesus a lie', considering he was crucified and died on the cross. Did he not teach and say ' have faith as a mustard seed', and many other sayings, that could have been applied to overcome what was happening!

Or was the mission of Jesus, completed, and the drama allowed to play out!

So the same applies with what you are asking. maybe those individuals mentioned, saw their  work 'as completed' and decided to gain another experience in the doing, forcing you (us) to ponder the mystery of it, and to rattle our belief chain!.

So do my words sound reasonably true. Can you accept that there is much we all still need to know of our nature! Can you accept that we are following a unique soul plan! Do we doubt the words of Jesus! Do we doubt the efficacy of the words, spoken by those that teach about Source and mind use, that pass on from the very illness or disease they say can be overcome !

How I dislike winding up with more question than was originally inquired upon.

Ah, was that even an answer worthwile posting!
Be Well

[Kadensnga]

Dear Praveen,

My 2 cents,

1: It's okay to say "I don't know why others pass away from illness, but I know we don't have to", go with your knowing and endeavor to be the one who breaks the ice... and do not judge yourself if you fail to achieve such mastery , as your query itself raises the universal consciousness and the endeavoring itself furthers the evolution of all.

2: We know many things... I know how to play lightening fast on the guitar without missing a note, but I still have yet to "master it", though I am called by some a master... I still miss notes. (just like those who teach healing by mind substance still miss notes, and are still growing...")

3: While many fail to achieve healing for themselves, many others SUCCEED. Always take that into consideration.

4: We don't achieve mastery by what we "know", we achieve mastery by what we are in "vibrational harmony with". I think this generation is more in vibrational harmony with what the last one "knew", but failed to achieve harmony with. Yet they are achieving harmony through this generation who flourishes even more, being enriched by the endeavors and the questions raised by those who came before.

5: Many choose on a deep level to leave this world of their own will.

We are walking in a grand procession toward the collective mind coming back into one consciousness... it doesn't mean everyone is a master yet, but we have more knowledge and we are closer to being in harmony with perfect truth, where all of these things exist. In that place of harmony.

Still, to be redundant, many people HAVE in fact achieved healing from deadly diseases, and while many are not masters of this yet, let us not forget there are ones who ARE. More and more will become that.

Some off the cuff food for thought there.

Namaste,
John

[juliainkc]

In a nutshell ...

a seed yet to be opened yet developing what fruits it will bear based grounded on the original blueprint of bearing seed after its kind.

You have received this far 3 different yet uncannily similar approaches Praveen ~

I see into each expression truly

To find out what speaks to you as I share so often, now, if I were to 'teach' open mindedness, I would use the Divine Principle of Being KISSed on my GOD SPOT Truly ~

What gives or leaves room for 'disagreeing, argument, contrary energy?' Okay, now 'What if ... Imagine ... not having that energy? What would allow for you to remain in a constant not contradictory state of CALM, PEACE

Only One can answer for ONE ~ or One Self ~ which gives more 'room' for Peace?


Ask to BE at Peace with IT. And you have your answer. So, share the results by letting go and letting IT show up for you this time around.


Said in all walls down, bare and vulernable Presence ~ aka 'naked',


Love in a box via GOD expressing as,

Julia

[Kadensnga]

Praveen,

Namaste, as always.

In reference to Adrian, he has been revealed a truth... truths have many nuances and facets as you look at them from every different perspective and direction, just as everything else.

I must allow myself to disagree with my teachers... I must also allow my teachers the respect of experiencing their own evolution... I must find my own truth through the things and teachers I attract in my life.

If you feel that Adrian is incorrect or has missed something in his findings, then be at peace with that.

My mother taught me one thing well, and it has been the core truth that has ingrained the unconditional love principle and that is simply that you "never throw the baby out with the bath water".

Rare occasion that I get to play on the playground at the same time as you Julia. How nice. I have been reading your stuff today...there aren't labels for the warmth I have recieved from your expressions in the last day or two, but I believe you know how it has affected me...

Love,
John

Ps. Ultimate learning, as Julia has taught me, comes from the inside.

Pss. The thought strikes me that some die on the battlefield, but that doesn't mean they weren't a great warrior, in their battling and sometimes dying they free others, and they are honored warriors.

[Kadensnga]

I must also say , as I am being encouraged to speak my own language regarding source's expressions to me , that you don't have to "agree" (intellectually) to be "IN agreement" (vibrationally).

Being "out of agreement" is the il-lusive wedge of separation from God.

Be at peace with all things, even disagreement.

[Praveen]

Thank for all the very deep and profound replies, I had to reread them to try and comprehend.
But I think I was really able to feel the love that went into these posts because just reading them
made me feel 'good'.

I think I understand that death is an important experience and people may opt to leave after experiencing cancer.
And it also makes sense that we come with a plan to experience certain experiences but I really hope Talker is right.
I really hope that we can change the plan and choose to take an alternate path. And Talker thats pretty much exactly
how I am feeling, the yo yo.

Thanks for the replies but honestly I think I need to re-read more and and ponder to understand them fully.

[Kadensnga]

You can always change the plan and take an alternate path. The fear associated with a disease like cancer is what puts us in a vibrational tailspin... but some are able to break out of the tail spin.

 I usually classify people who learn the law of attraction from "the secret" in the same category as ones who learned about the "bohemian rhapsody" from "waynes world"...however, to quote "the secret":

Electricity can cook the mans dinner, or it can cook the man himself.

It's our choice, it is a delicate balance, thus we use the word "mastery".

[juliainkc]

Indeed. It is our choice. What are the multitude of choices defining what wellness 'means'?

To you it is this, to another it is this ~

Deciding uniquely our willingness to let go of this however, we love our super blankie, don't we?

It is still here in proportion to our evoling our not needing so much of it any longer.

A whole, a 3/4, a half, a 1/4, a 1/16 'keychain' idea of recall ~ HA~

yea, John sister J is tripping in the Universal gardens ~

Sweet dreams~

Off to open to the flow ~ Letting this day go in golden moonlit memory ~

Thank YOU!!

[juliainkc]

Hi Beloved Praveen and All Beloveds,

I was in here posting when I was feeling a nudge to go back into a post from last year sharing from my Mandela Class I took part in.

We all pulled cards from a plate passed around after Inviting our Higher Self to reveal what we were in the process of experiencing in our current lives. I pulled the card on Surrender.

Here is what it said;

"I surrender to the Supreme Self within and without whose consciousness is thoughtless aware silence.

If all that can be done has been done, then relax, breathe into the pain and surrender to the Supreme Self."

Let Go and Trust in the Knowing that All is going according to a Divine Plan. Illness and dis-ease has its place in this life. It allows us to reach out in compassionate understanding and growing in our desire to be LOVE focused not seeking.

Whatever is going on in your life right now is Divine in that your very Presence is GOD's Presence to all who surround you.

Peace and Love extending in Grace for you today,

Julia

[wavepsychic]

Dear Praveen,

There is absolutely no such thing as an incurable disease. Adrian in no way believes that Cancer is incurable, quite the opposite. Even Diabetes can be cured.

There is no contradiction. Anytime someone becomes ill it is because of bad Karma. Anytime someone becomes healed it is because of good Karma.

True Healers help others heal themselves.

True healing comes from within.

People make themselves Ill and people make themselves Well.

All that is done can be undone, that is the way of Manifestation.

It is the Quantum way.

In Peace and Health, Louis

[Talker]

Hi to All,

Did a sort of response in :

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/rhetorical-rambling-or-normal-insanity-t1173.0.html;msg16689#msg16689

[Kadensnga]

Thank you beautiful and wise soul Talker,

Your response was wonderfully appropriate and timely.

I soo appreciate you.

Namaste,
John

[juliainkc]

Good Day Everyone,

What a wonderful Light Hearted flow streaming through the forums. Wow, such open and wonderfully deep thoughts being shared with one another. I thank you all who step forward and participate. Truly.

As I was reading through the expressions of all wonderful ones here, I was re-minded (thank you John) of those in the history of our world whom had 'afflictions' such as Beethoven, Helen Keller, Abraham Lincoln and yes, even Einstein. Do you recognize these ones? I would say they made history with their lives impacting so many even after they have transformed. Their memory lingers and we are still InJoying the benefits of their shared experiences here, what they left as their portion of Light in this world.

Yet they all had affliction in common. And it did not stop them nor hinder them from standing out and following their Divine Plan.

I was chatting with a Beloved friend recently about this idea of a Divine Plan. We tend to define a 'plan' as a specific course of action, carefully laid out with timelines, outlines, etc. Well, yes and no really. Depends how one defines it. Plan or plan. When I speak of Divine Plan, it is from the idea of Spirit Being ~ Wind like. It goes here and there, and touches everything in ITs path. Not always in a seemingly straight line (due to its formlessness) yet it is not disorderly in ITs intent. ITs purpose is served or reached ultimately.

I see this as for our benefit to Trust in what we cannot see with our physical eyes. As Talker and others share here, there are many variables yet not one of them is 'wrong' truly. Each choice one makes leads to the Ultimate Goal. We just squish this Infinite boundless Intelligence into an finite limited idea based on a limitation of space and time point of view. We try to understand, make IT fit into a box what is able to move IT Self out of the box while it is able to be inside the box at the very same moment, everywhere Present (formless, not limited). In fact, there is nowhere where IT isn't. Only we have limited this Energy Being by being limiting in our personal self's views to IT having to be the way only we can see IT, we make IT like our limited selves. Laura posted a wonderful video recently of this very idea.

While there are many ways in the equation, mix, in all of these ways all return to the Original Source of all ideas and ways. All the 'incorrect' ideas will be corrected not punished, not said to create dread or fear but to express a lifting of ones Heart in this knowing. We struggle because we are so focused on what is wrong or not right with our lives and this view taints our view of the world around us. We are more fruit inspectors (looking for what needs fixing or getting rid of more) and not fruit appraisors (finding the GOD, what is worth having or keeping more). You will find what you are looking for. Ideas leave not their Source.

These ones I mentioned above whom had afflictions, did not allow themselves to focus on the faith crushing these afflictions had the potential to create. They focused more on the awareness of hearing and listening to their own voice above the din of critics and kept their eyes on the prize. Their purpose of knowing their value and what they were here to contribute to the lifting of humanity whom had a ONE whose LOVE they all recognized in their uniqueness and we can see the effects of their underlying roots of belief even to this day. When you know yourself, you Know GOD. Truth. The world systems have done such an amazing job of covering this up. And yet it keeps rising like a beachball under water. It cannot be kept hidden.

I will say from my own life experiences that one thing I have learned over and over again and will only continue to evolve is that until we have Spirit's understanding beginning with loving ourself first , accepting the flaws we see in ourself, in an as we are right now state, being honest with our dark parts yet not so much hiding and feeling unworthy and trying to fix them, that we cannot know what LOVE is, a LOVE of another kind, UnConditional Love. Because you cannot give what is truly not seen in yourself first to give to another. I do see this idea being misunderstood over and over again.

So, In synchronicity of my Heart expressing here today, left upon the altar for open consideration, it is this;

'Trust yourself, then you will know how to live.' ~ Goethe ~

As was exampled by Beethoven, Helen Keller, Abraham Lincoln Einstein and many many others. Their afflictions heightened their Trusting their 'other' senses in a Power that they knew intimately due to being rejected by the physical world they lived in at some point in their lives. Iron sharpens iron. It removes what is not necessary and allows the treasure contained within to come forth.

Until we strenghthen our Inner Foundation on solid ground, we set ourselves up to rock and roll on the shifting sands of a weakened faith. Affliction can be a tool that is used to find the real foundation to build your life on and it is not going to be found in the outer world and trying to bring IT in. That is backwards.

Receive your healing, your faith has made you well. Jesus said that and it is said he was a man acquainted with grief. His affliction? Just look at the Light he left behind in this world. Words mean nothing if action does not follow. We truly live what we believe.

We give up too easily folks. What I see as 'lacking' in many is a deep and abiding faith and growing always Trust that All is Well in all ways. And this can only come from Knowing whom you are and come from.

Peace, Joy, Grace extending in LOVEs Light flowing from within me today,

Julia