The Secret

[jantan]

Hi Adrian

Thanks for the warm welcome 

I so "so called Law of right action" because it is not really a law, in fact the Law of Attraction is only a secondary law being an aspect of the primary law of Cause and effect. I actually prefer to use the word "principle" than law, which is more accurate in these contexts.

Re your comments above, this is so interesting. You've mentioned that Law Of Attraction is only a secondary law which exactly matches the report that I mentioned of the interview with Bob Proctor. He said that too!

In your comments, you've mentioned the primary law being Cause and effect, whereas in the report, he mentioned the primary law being the Law Of Vibration. Are you guys talking about the same thing but termed it differently or we are talking about 2 different things altogether?

Why is the Law of Vibration and/or Cause and effect is the Primary Law whereas the Law Of Attraction is the secondary law? Why not the other way round?

Kindly enlighten me as I'm getting confused and I really want to learn more about this so that I can utilise this Law/Principle to improve my life 

Thanks

[Adrian]

Hello Jantan

Hi Adrian

Thanks for the warm welcome 

I so "so called Law of right action" because it is not really a law, in fact the Law of Attraction is only a secondary law being an aspect of the primary law of Cause and effect. I actually prefer to use the word "principle" than law, which is more accurate in these contexts.

Re your comments above, this is so interesting. You've mentioned that Law Of Attraction is only a secondary law which exactly matches the report that I mentioned of the interview with Bob Proctor. He said that too!

In your comments, you've mentioned the primary law being Cause and effect, whereas in the report, he mentioned the primary law being the Law Of Vibration. Are you guys talking about the same thing but termed it differently or we are talking about 2 different things altogether?

Why is the Law of Vibration and/or Cause and effect is the Primary Law whereas the Law Of Attraction is the secondary law? Why not the other way round?

Kindly enlighten me as I'm getting confused and I really want to learn more about this so that I can utilise this Law/Principle to improve my life 

Thanks

Well Vibration is a Law or Principle, but in fact Attraction really includes aspects of Mentalism, Vibration and Cause and Effect.

The true Universal laws or principles are:

Mentalism
Correspondence
Vibration
Polarity
Rhythm
Cause and Effect
Gender

In Lak'ech,

Adrian.

[sloehand]

Yes its nice to have money to buy things but I also want it because I would like to retire from work. I am 48 years old but I have been working since I was 15, so that is alot of years. If I had lots of money, this dream would be reality.

[Adrian]

Hello Sloehand,

Yes its nice to have money to buy things but I also want it because I would like to retire from work. I am 48 years old but I have been working since I was 15, so that is alot of years. If I had lots of money, this dream would be reality.

I know what you mean; I will be 51 in a couple of weeks time.

As we have discussed before; rather than focus on money you should focus on what you would really like; e.g. nice home etc.. So your first task is to decide how you wish to spemd your retirement in every detail, and use that as the basis for using the law of attraction.

In Lak'ech,

Adrian.

[DH]

I know what you mean; I will be 51 in a couple of weeks time.

Sorry, Adrian, I couldn't resist, but it's nice to run across someone else on these forums who is in the "Half a Hundred Club"!  (I just turned 54.)   

I wonder why we don't find more Baby Boomers on the various spiritual forums on the internet.  At least, it's my perception that most of the folks that interact on these sites are much younger.  Most of us Boomers are computer savvy by now.  Are we in the spiritual dark?  Do we still not get it -- as a group?

Peace, DH

[glenda]

Hello

also could'nt resist  - i am 41 - yeh also part of the "older" generation!  I think most of the youngsters are at astral pulse.

Namaste

[Adrian]

Hello,

Hello

also could'nt resist  - i am 41 - yeh also part of the "older" generation!  I think most of the youngsters are at astral pulse.

Namaste

Yes, we cater for all generations at the Astral Pulse. Everyone is on the path and everyone has the right of access to resources that suit them. Actually I have encountered several teenagers as young as 13 on AP who seem far in advanced of their years; in fact my eldest son fits into that category.

I therefore respect all age groups.

We must keep in mind that "age" is only a very temporal physical perception. We are all truly immortal, but of course at different stages on the path. Children are very often much further advanced than their parents, in fact children can be parents greatest teachers, teaching such virtues as patience, understanding, Unconditional Love and much more.

I never look down at a child and think of them as a "mere child", they are simply in the early stages of a current incarnation. The conscious Mind might be immature, but the Subconscious Mind is intimately, along with the Higher-Self connected to the infinite Universal Mind.

That said, here we are discussing more "formal" and immediately pressing topics than at AP; both forums have their place.

In Lak'ech,

Adrian.
 

[glenda]

Yes, we cater for all generations at the Astral Pulse. Everyone is on the path and everyone has the right of access to resources that suit them. Actually I have encountered several teenagers as young as 13 on AP who seem far in advanced of their years; in fact my eldest son fits into that category.

I therefore respect all age groups.

We must keep in mind that "age" is only a very temporal physical perception. We are all truly immortal, but of course at different stages on the path. Children are very often much further advanced than their parents, in fact children can be parents greatest teachers, teaching such virtues as patience, understanding, Unconditional Love and much more.

I never look down at a child and think of them as a "mere child", they are simply in the early stages of a current incarnation. The conscious Mind might be immature, but the Subconscious Mind is intimately, along with the Higher-Self connected to the infinite Universal Mind.

 

Hello Adrian,

Yes I could'nt agree more.  I am a member at AP and have learnt so much from the teenagers - in fact from most of the members there.  Nothing short of fascinating and a real eye opener to me.  I have a nine year old who has been "labelled" as ADHD and Indigo.  I have learnt much from him and am sure that I still have much more to learn.

Namaste

[Adrian]

Hello Glenda,

Yes, we cater for all generations at the Astral Pulse. Everyone is on the path and everyone has the right of access to resources that suit them. Actually I have encountered several teenagers as young as 13 on AP who seem far in advanced of their years; in fact my eldest son fits into that category.

I therefore respect all age groups.

We must keep in mind that "age" is only a very temporal physical perception. We are all truly immortal, but of course at different stages on the path. Children are very often much further advanced than their parents, in fact children can be parents greatest teachers, teaching such virtues as patience, understanding, Unconditional Love and much more.

I never look down at a child and think of them as a "mere child", they are simply in the early stages of a current incarnation. The conscious Mind might be immature, but the Subconscious Mind is intimately, along with the Higher-Self connected to the infinite Universal Mind.

 

Hello Adrian,

Yes I could'nt agree more.  I am a member at AP and have learnt so much from the teenagers - in fact from most of the members there.  Nothing short of fascinating and a real eye opener to me.  I have a nine year old who has been "labelled" as ADHD and Indigo.  I have learnt much from him and am sure that I still have much more to learn.

Namaste

I agree. Children are among our greatest teachers and are often misunderstood if they do not "conform" to how other children of their age group behave.

The schools have never understood my eldest son because he does not behave like the other children who's behaviour he thought was silly. On the way to school from an early age his favoutite book was the "big bang" theory The way he thinks and speaks are far in advance of his years. He has always found school boring and therefore does not see why he should bother.

It is important to realise that all children arrive in this world for different reason and should not be stereotyped. I rejected religion at the age of 8; I didn't need anyone to tell me that it did not make sense, and was not what reality is all about.

Schools tend to be either fairly intolerant or inflexible of children who are different, or who do not conform to the "norm", which is why it is the duty of the parents to give the child everything they need to develop their abilities which will prove to be invaluable later.

In lak'ech,

Adrian.
 

[DH]

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Children are among our greatest teachers and are often misunderstood if they do not "conform" to how other children of their age group behave.

The schools have never understood my eldest son because he does not behave like the other children who's behaviour he thought was silly. On the way to school from an early age his favoutite book was the "big bang" theory The way he thinks and speaks are far in advance of his years. He has always found school boring and therefore does not see why he should bother.

It is important to realise that all children arrive in this world for different reason and should not be stereotyped. I rejected religion at the age of 8; I didn't need anyone to tell me that it did not make sense, and was not what reality is all about.

Schools tend to be either fairly intolerant or inflexible of children who are different, or who do not conform to the "norm", which is why it is the duty of the parents to give the child everything they need to develop their abilities which will prove to be invaluable later. 

Knowing what I know now about life (which granted still isn't near enough!), I wish we could have home schooled our three kids.  It would have been fun to work in studies like Our Ultimate Reality along with the reading and writing, etc., and to see how their lives would be so much different now had they learned how to use something like the law of attraction when they were 5 years old.  My 23-year college student daughter is catching up.  I noticed recently that she was reading Fred A. Wolf's The Spiritual Universe, and this is a kid who's not much of a reader!  That's quite a jump from The Secret.  I do have three grandkids.  I'm plotting now about how to "enhance" their worldviews along with the usual grandparent "spoiling activities"  .

Peace, DH

[Adrian]

Hello D.H.

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Children are among our greatest teachers and are often misunderstood if they do not "conform" to how other children of their age group behave.

The schools have never understood my eldest son because he does not behave like the other children who's behaviour he thought was silly. On the way to school from an early age his favoutite book was the "big bang" theory The way he thinks and speaks are far in advance of his years. He has always found school boring and therefore does not see why he should bother.

It is important to realise that all children arrive in this world for different reason and should not be stereotyped. I rejected religion at the age of 8; I didn't need anyone to tell me that it did not make sense, and was not what reality is all about.

Schools tend to be either fairly intolerant or inflexible of children who are different, or who do not conform to the "norm", which is why it is the duty of the parents to give the child everything they need to develop their abilities which will prove to be invaluable later. 

Knowing what I know now about life (which granted still isn't near enough!), I wish we could have home schooled our three kids.  It would have been fun to work in studies like Our Ultimate Reality along with the reading and writing, etc., and to see how their lives would be so much different now had they learned how to use something like the law of attraction when they were 5 years old.  My 23-year college student daughter is catching up.  I noticed recently that she was reading Fred A. Wolf's The Spiritual Universe, and this is a kid who's not much of a reader!  That's quite a jump from The Secret.  I do have three grandkids.  I'm plotting now about how to "enhance" their worldviews along with the usual grandparent "spoiling activities"  .

Peace, DH

Yes it is a conundrum about how to introduce these crucially important subjects, that should be taught in school, to people. I have found that when people are ready they will accapet these teachings gratefully. My own children accept them without question because they know it to be true intuitively.

The best way to approach this in my view is to purchase a copy of The Secret, justify it by saying it is the #1 best selling DVD and book, and just sit there as a family and watch it. You will soon know who is ready and who is not We should never force it upon people who are not; "when the student is ready the teacher will appear".

In Lak'ech,

Adrian.

[DH]

Schools tend to be either fairly intolerant or inflexible of children who are different, or who do not conform to the "norm", which is why it is the duty of the parents to give the child everything they need to develop their abilities which will prove to be invaluable later.

Yes it is a conundrum about how to introduce these crucially important subjects, that should be taught in school, to people. I have found that when people are ready they will accapet these teachings gratefully. My own children accept them without question because they know it to be true intuitively.

The best way to approach this in my view is to purchase a copy of The Secret, justify it by saying it is the #1 best selling DVD and book, and just sit there as a family and watch it. You will soon know who is ready and who is not We should never force it upon people who are not; "when the student is readythe teacher will appear".

Hello Adrian,

I appreciate your responses, although I have gotten us off topic of this thread about The Secret.

The problem of sub-par school curriculum and thought control is everywhere.  Maybe I'm paranoid because I'm a long time Pink Floyd fan and The Wall is still bouncing around in my head!  But seriously, I agree that the main thing we parents can do is take responsibility for our kids (grandkids) and be prepared to respond with the proper rebuttals and additions to curriculum.

I also agree that however right we feel about what we hold as truth, we still can't force it on anyone.  Timing is all important for understanding.

I have studied the Bible in its original languages, and in the Greek New Testament, there are two words for "time".  One is chronos which has to do with what we call chronological time; and the other is kairos which is used to mean "God's special time".  For instance, Paul writes, "In the fullness of kairos, God sent his son...."  Or in other words, "When the time was right according to God's plan, he sent his son". 

It's sort of quantity versus quality, or "What time (chronos) will this guy stop writing"?  versus "What time (kairos) is it in your marriage"?

Kairos is what is important in helping others along the way.  People have to be ready to hear and understand, which is why Jesus said, "Don't cast your pearls before swine".  That sounds harsh, but it's  not a judgmental statement.  He was quoting a Jewish proverb meaning, "Don't waste your time on people who aren't ready to hear".  A lot of us don't get that.

Your idea about showing The Secret to the family and responding to those who are interested is a great way to offer spiritual truth to those who are ready. (See, I did get back on topic!  )

Thanks for the thoughts. DH

[kwanbox]

personally i feel the movie and it's proposing ideas needs to be taken with a pinch of salt (as with everything else) but i do agree that there are some interesting concepts. i thought the idea about visualisation was particularly interesting. here's a site which tells a bit more about it..
www.developingapositiveattitude.com/freereport it's written by bob proctor (who happen to be one of the people in movie) visit it if you're interested

[Awakened Soul]

I still find it difficult to ignore certain negative aspects of our earthy life. Especially when it comes to certain things that are disturbing but interesting at the same time. Like the alien subjects, genetic experiments and free energy technology that we should have a.s.a.p. etc. At one hand I know I shouldn't be focussing on that stuff and on the other hand I want to educate myself on these matters... And there's so much information available that it's sometimes too much to handle all at once. And then there's that pesky 2012 thing that puts some form of pressure on me in such a way, that it influences my decisions on choosing between things I want to learn in this life, because of the little time there's left.

For instance, I want to keep evolving in music, but then I'm thinking what good that will do when 2012 is coming (potentionally) or that the new world order will (potentionally) take over. I'm then tempted to think that perhaps I should skip the music and devote all of my tilme left to psychic powers so I can handle myself better should anything happen indeed. I don't like this kind of pressure and quite honestly it makes it harder to create the reality I really want for myself. It's also the reason why I cut myself loose from the weekly newsletter for a while. I felt like I needed some time off. I wonder if anybody else has similar feelings from time to time...

So there's this big contrast I've noticed between the "it's all good" attitude as long as you follow your bliss and the new released information bout all these potentionally threatening matters.

I guess the trick is to know as much as possible without letting it influence your mood in a negative way. Not the easiest task in the world...

[DH]

I still find it difficult to ignore certain negative aspects of our earthy life. Especially when it comes to certain things that are disturbing but interesting at the same time. Like the alien subjects, genetic experiments and free energy technology that we should have a.s.a.p. etc. At one hand I know I shouldn't be focussing on that stuff and on the other hand I want to educate myself on these matters... And there's so much information available that it's sometimes too much to handle all at once. And then there's that pesky 2012 thing that puts some form of pressure on me in such a way, that it influences my decisions on choosing between things I want to learn in this life, because of the little time there's left.

For instance, I want to keep evolving in music, but then I'm thinking what good that will do when 2012 is coming (potentionally) or that the new world order will (potentionally) take over. I'm then tempted to think that perhaps I should skip the music and devote all of my tilme left to psychic powers so I can handle myself better should anything happen indeed. I don't like this kind of pressure and quite honestly it makes it harder to create the reality I really want for myself. It's also the reason why I cut myself loose from the weekly newsletter for a while. I felt like I needed some time off. I wonder if anybody else has similar feelings from time to time...

So there's this big contrast I've noticed between the "it's all good" attitude as long as you follow your bliss and the new released information bout all these potentionally threatening matters.

I guess the trick is to know as much as possible without letting it influence your mood in a negative way. Not the easiest task in the world...

Awakened Mind,

I do understand what you are saying.  I have wrestled with the same issue of staying positive in a world that is full of negative stuff.

Personally, I think 2012 may indeed have a huge spiritual impact, but I'm not convinced that it's going to be a cataclysmic end of the world deal.  I have some Christians friends who are also predicting a catastrophic end to all we know "when Jesus returns" -- Armageddon and all of that.  Those kind of predictions have been going on for centuries.  I think that no matter what happens, there will still be time for you to evolve in music and expand your psychic abilities.  Don't give any of it up!

As far as staying positive, I try to keep up with what's going on around me without being overly influenced by the negative stuff.  I have worked in print and broadcast news, so it's been hard to rip myself away from so much negative input.  I don't watch cable news and read papers like I once did.
However, when I do come across something negative.  I don't hold it in my mind, that is dwell on it.  I immediately replace the negative with a positive thought.  For instance, if I read something bad about the war on Iraq, I immediate start visualizing peace in Iraq.

At the end of the day, I try to do a meditation in which I let go of any negative stuff that may have lingered on in my mind.  I, too, like to learn about new things going in the world.  But I try to be like a spiritual sponge.  I keep the good and wring out the bad at the end of the day.

Blessings to you on your journey.  DH