The oldest complete copy of the New Testament - Codex Sinaiticus

[melody]

Codex Sinaiticus - the oldest complete copy of the New Testament become available on internet as of today. The trafic this first day is so heavy, that one cannot get to the manuscripts and their translation. You will most likely have to visit the website some other day.

http://www.codex-sinaiticus.net/en/

"Handwritten well over 1600 years ago, the manuscript contains the Christian Bible in Greek, including the oldest complete copy of the New Testament. "

Here is the article that appeared in Reuters News several days ago about this website.

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL2176596820080721?feedType=nl&feedName=ustechnology&pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=10222&sp=true

[Adrian]

Dear Melody,

Codex Sinaiticus - the oldest complete copy of the New Testament become available on internet as of today. The trafic this first day is so heavy, that one cannot get to the manuscripts and their translation. You will most likely have to visit the website some other day.

http://www.codex-sinaiticus.net/en/

"Handwritten well over 1600 years ago, the manuscript contains the Christian Bible in Greek, including the oldest complete copy of the New Testament. "

Here is the article that appeared in Reuters News several days ago about this website.

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL2176596820080721?feedType=nl&feedName=ustechnology&pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=10222&sp=true

Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention. I will certainly be following this with interest.

I already have the Khabouris Codex which originates from about 200 CE, but that is a Hebrew translation from the original Ancient Greek. The original Ancient Greek has the potential to be much more original, and I for one am very interested indeed in seeing the original, unmodified version of the Gospels.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[wavepsychic]

I would like to see this what ever it is. Adrian I place it on you to present to me the parts that are important & give some translation in your New Letters.

I have a Question for you Melody. How do we know that this is the Original anything? It happened so very long ago. I thought that the Old Testament was written based off of ancient Hindu & Sumerian text?

In Lightness

[Adrian]

Hello Wavepsychic,

I would like to see this what ever it is. Adrian I place it on you to present to me the parts that are important & give some translation in your New Letters.

I have a Question for you Melody. How do we know that this is the Original anything? It happened so very long ago. I thought that the Old Testament was written based off of ancient Hindu & Sumerian text?

In Lightness

I will certainly betaking a close look once more of the texts become available.

Yes the Old Testament is bases upon more ancient texts in part, but my main interest is the gospels of the New Testament and the true messages they conceal.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
 

[wavepsychic]

Hi Adrian

Yes the Old Testament is bases upon more ancient texts in part, but my main interest is the gospels of the New Testament and the true messages they conceal.

Can you find the original teachings of Jesus before the Romans deluded it?

[Adrian]

Hello Wavepsychic,

Hi Adrian

Yes the Old Testament is bases upon more ancient texts in part, but my main interest is the gospels of the New Testament and the true messages they conceal.

Can you find the original teachings of Jesus before the Romans deluded it?

It is difficult to define "original" since the gospels were not even recorded in writing until decades after Jesus death. Since memories fade and Mind can Subconsciously re-interpret memories or add an individual bias, not to mention translations and re-translations etc - all before the Romans got their hands on it, we may never know what Jesus actually said verbatim.

We do know however that his words have profound and true inner meanings, so the recorded versions of the Bible are more or less faithful to his teachings.

This is even more the case with Islam - the Qu'ran was maintained in the memories of generations of people before being pieced together fragment by fragment. In the case of the Qu'ran however the people keeping the teachings alive were experts at doing so, therefore the Qu'ran might be more original than the Bible, and was certainly not the subject of conflicting agendas as far as I know.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[wavepsychic]

Hi Adrian

It is difficult to define "original" since the gospels were not even recorded in writing until decades after Jesus death. Since memories fade and Mind can Subconsciously re-interpret memories or add an individual bias, not to mention translations and re-translations etc - all before the Romans got their hands on it, we may never know what Jesus actually said verbatim.

We do know however that his words have profound and true inner meanings, so the recorded versions of the Bible are more or less faithful to his teachings.

This is even more the case with Islam - the Qu'ran was maintained in the memories of generations of people before being pieced together fragment by fragment. In the case of the Qu'ran however the people keeping the teachings alive were experts at doing so, therefore the Qu'ran might be more original than the Bible, and was certainly not the subject of conflicting agendas as far as I know.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

So once again I am back to where I started. Leaving the bible behind because it doesn't FEEL right. I have found considerable wisdom in the Philosophies of the far east & I feel as though I have all that I need without adhering to any kind of Religion. Thank you for your reply but I am going to just forget that there was a Bible at all. True inner meanings or not, the people would be much better off burning it.

In Truthfulness

[Adrian]

Hello Wavepsychic,

So once again I am back to where I started. Leaving the bible behind because it doesn't FEEL right. I have found considerable wisdom in the Philosophies of the far east & I feel as though I have all that I need without adhering to any kind of Religion. Thank you for your reply but I am going to just forget that there was a Bible at all. True inner meanings or not, the people would be much better off burning it.

In Truthfulness

The only reason I quote from the Bible is not because I personally regard the Bible as a primary source of teaching, far from it, but rather because so many people, maybe billions even relate to it and are therefore much more likely to accept the wisdom from that source.

If you provide many people, particularly religious people with straight Spiritual and Metaphysical facts, they will most likely rebel against it. But if you quote the facts in the context of the inner teachings of Jesus, which are profound and genuine, then they will happily accept and the objective has been achieved.

So the Bible is a way of reaching the greatest number of people in the quickest possible time.

I would quote from the Qu'ran as well if I were more familiar with that book, as well as any others - it does not matter if people can relate to and accept the source.

No religion or culture out there is absolutely pure - many are by word of mouth and remained undocumented for sometimes centuries until they were written down from the memory of generations of people. Over the centuries meanings and teachings can change sometimes dramatically.

This is why I recommend that people seek within - it is a pure source of knowledge that is always correct and perfect.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[zensunni7]

Greetings Dear all,

When I first saw the link, I was apprehensive to even go to the site, my first thought " Here we go again "
But - the site said ' no English translation available ' so I was ' saved .'

Adrian brings up a very valid point. I too use Biblical references and use Biblical terms when talking to people about spiritual development as well, common understanding.
Even the most devout atheist I know relate to the basic ideologies of the Bible and hold a basic understanding of its concepts, so it is a communication tool.

There won't be any new and mighty revelations in this text either, as with many of the others found in the past, and there have been many, with more to follow I am sure. As Adrian said, and Jesus was quite in agreement with him, it is an internal scripture that we must seek.
All I see coming from this new text is a new round of debates and wars over the usual fundamentalist and metaphorical camps. There will be an instant campaign to discredit any new text, and of course the great mother church of Rome will have to approve its reading - or not.

If Bush keeps up his current idea of leadership - Adrian may get the chance to use the Qu'ran as his reference point. Did I say that out loud? My bad!!!

If Jesus came in and saw me reading the Bible he would most likely ask me why I was reading it, take me to the nearest mirror and tell me '' read that '' its much more interesting and true.

WithIn Love
Darrell





 

[Adrian]

Dear Darrell,

I absolutely agree that the most likely outcome of this latest Bible finding is yet another round of religious infighting which would be a shame.

The Vatican vaults are said to full of "banned texts" which would compromise their religious stranglehold. The recently discovered "lost book of Nostradamus" came from the Vatican vaults and was scheduled to be burned a couple of hundred years ago, but survived.

It would be preferable it if everyone would use their own inner guidance as their true reference point - I do think we are getting there as well.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.


 

[wavepsychic]

Hello Adrian & Darrell

The only reason I quote from the Bible is not because I personally regard the Bible as a primary source of teaching, far from it, but rather because so many people, maybe billions even relate to it and are therefore much more likely to accept the wisdom from that source.

You are very wise to use the Bible as a stepping stone to reach people, however I myself came to you!

I however do not believe Taoism to be Corrupted.

When I first saw the link, I was apprehensive to even go to the site, my first thought " Here we go again "

lol

[melody]

So once again I am back to where I started. Leaving the bible behind because it doesn't FEEL right. I have found considerable wisdom in the Philosophies of the far east & I feel as though I have all that I need without adhering to any kind of Religion. Thank you for your reply but I am going to just forget that there was a Bible at all. True inner meanings or not, the people would be much better off burning it.

Hello Wavepsychic,

Burning Bible would be very barbaric. Bible is one of the most ancient books humanity has, and it is our common heritage. Burning it would amount to an Inquisition, when books deemed heretical were burnt.

[melody]

Hello everybody,

Ancient countries, where the literacy was not that prevalent, all had a strong oral tradition. There was such a tradition in ancient Israel, referred to  rabbinical, where even long accounting lists were memorized. Such an ability was widely known, praised and aspired for.

Although non of Christ’s disciples were of any rabbinical order, some of them were literate and knew how to read. One, for instance, was a tax collector before becoming Jesus’ disciple.

The original accounts of the New Testament were written within only several decades after the Jesus events, only within one or two generations. (Qur’an took about four hundred years before being written down.)

“2.2.1 The length of time between the events and their recording in the gospels is not much more than two generations, even on the latest dating now proposed. The majority of New Testament scholars still date Mark's gospel shortly before or shortly after AD 70, Matthew and Luke roughly 80-90, and John close to the end of the first century. No part of this scheme, however, is uncontested, both the relative dating of the gospels /15/ and the overall period of their composition being increasingly debated. While J. A. T. Robinson's view that all the gospels were completed before AD 70 has few adherents in its entirety, many are now prepared to argue that both Matthew and Luke could have been written in the sixties (and therefore, for most scholars, Mark would be still earlier) /16/. This would give barely more than one generation between the events and the final Synoptic record of them.”

http://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth21.html\

Moreover, the Gospel  texts might have been compiled with a help of earlier written texts, even by Jesus contemporaries, the existence of which is hinted by Luke

Luk 1:1  Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
Luk 1:2  Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
Luk 1:3  It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
Luk 1:4  That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

[wavepsychic]

Who Cares! People go to Church, learn all about a false god & are Light Years from becoming Enlightened! Have no power or self-control. They are cruel, Judgmental & confused! They spend more time Judging & avoiding a punishment from there manly god because of things he does like and does not like instead of being humane & living conscious of karma. The bible also justifies the most horrible of sins & crimes against our other selves with its "Faith in Jesus & you will go to heaven anyway". Hitler was born of this, who first killed people "Jews" for not conforming to the "Will" of Jesus or this False god! This kind of darkness arising from what is believed to be the light can not be aloud to go on. People say "I love the Lord" and you should go to Church because "I love the Lord". Well you know what Christians, I have pure unconditional love for everyone I used to dislike, & every creature even as small as a Microbe! I do my "Love Meditations" to make sure of it! So I am far more closer to the real Creator then you can hope to be with the Dark Bible. I am serious when I say that the Bible should be BURNED. Because of that Book of Darkness innocent little girls were burned alive, & so should be its fate!

In Honestly

[melody]

Hello Wavepshychic,

Hitler was exterminating the Jews in Germany not because of the Bible, but because of racial intolerance. They were the second largest ethnic group after the Germans, and they held many financial positions especially in the banking system. Germans began developing theories about the Germans being an Aryan race, a much more superior race to the Semites - the Jews. This was their pretext to exterminate Jews as inferior beings. Nazis claimed they wanted to preserve the purity of their Aryan race. There were also other agendas involved which had absolutely nothing to do with the Bible.