The King of Pop has Moved on!!

[Baki Hanma]

Anyway, on topic:

In another forum I posted that I thought it was hypocritical of (media) people to hype Michael's death in such a fashion as if they always loved him and to now say that he's the King, etc. I'm not referring to true fans who always appreciated him, I mean the ones that marked him and basicly saw him as 'Wacko Jaco'. I admit I've been guilty on some of that stuff in the past as well, which is also partly why I now just can't pretend that I care so much that he's gone now... I mean, at times he indeed seem a little wacko. That in itself didn't really bother me, but I did imitate him saying 'it's all about love' when he explained in an interview why he had the children in his bed. I kind of believed him, but .... ofcourse, I don't have all the info.

I didn't really react on his death.... I mean, even though I think some of his songs are great (and a lot of credit for that should go to composer Quincy Jones), I never knew Michael personally and haven't been into his more recent songs.

On top of that, I'm not sure if his life was so nice to continue anyway. Sometimes it could be a blessing to pass on. I mean, it could possibly be a lot better on the other side for him and it seems to me he has done enough here on earth. On the other hand, Lou Ferrigno (The Hulk and Michael's personal trainer) said in an interview that Michael was actually in good shape the last time he saw him and that Michael was planning to get back on top 'of the pop'. So if that's true, it's more sad that he died then if he was still in bad shape, ridiculed, and wacko. But other sources say he was totally addicted to medication...

If I had the choice, I'd let Michael live and let my idiot neighbor, a Moroccan drug dealer, die. It's extremely tough sometimes to remain a kindred spirit.... For that matter, it seems Michael was a true star in exactly that, no matter the situation.

I see, I can relate to that Awakened Soul. Being honest with my self I dont consider me a true fan and IO dont mean to be a poser by starting this post and posting vids of him. It is just how Im expressing myself for him. I use to always watch him when I was a child. Always copying his dance moves, lol. Its not like I was in love with the guy or anything and I never once been to any of his concerts even though he came to my home town several times. He was one of those people where I enjoyed his music, alot, but whenever I heard it I would. My grandparents would always listen to him thats how I got to like his music.

Yeah I too thought he was a bit wacked and yea I was one of the ones making fun of him too. But I never said something that was disrespectful and hurtful. Even though at times I thought he was a bit wacked, I still loved watching his vids. I mean hey I say things about my friends and we still get along so...

My reaction to hearing of his death was a bit complicated to explain. I mean at first reading it on AOL news then talking to my parents about it, it was like "well another good artist wasted to the life of drugs" - a bad assumption but alot of famous people fall victum to taking drugs and we didnt see michael as any different. Even his ex wife said that he was going to end up like her dad (Elvis Precesly's daughter) - that may imply that he was taking some kind of drug or medicine.

The next day on Friday, after watching the news before work, I started to feel a bit hurt by it, even though I wasnt when first hearing it. I guess when it really dawned on me that he is really gone, and remembering all those days in my child hood we would watch his videos and imitate his dancing. I began to feel saddened by the lost as if I lost a loved one in my family - this coming from someone who isnt even a true fan . Even to this day I am still bothered by it.

I got another vid. I post this one because it is Human Nature that Michael went through all that drama and then had to leave us - another aspect of human nature; Death!

[Awakened Soul]

Hi Baki,

Yes I understand what you're saying. And I didn't secretly meant you personally when I wrote about the hypocritical side of the Michael Jackson situation.

Even though I didn't really react immediately on his death, I can also feel the emotions when I watch all the video stuff out there. But since I don't do that much, I don't really think about it.

I've never been a 'true' fan, but I actually still played the song 'Beat It' once in a while, which is probably my favorite song, also because of the guitar solo in it, which was revolutionary, but while listening to it, I certainly enjoyed Jackson's performance, which is always impeccable and he sings with a lot of emotion in his voice.

But like I said... He might have a great time in his new home, so it's not all sad... Perhaps he's doing a 'moonwalk' for real this time?

[Baki Hanma]

Lol, yea perhaps he is moonwalking somewhere up there. You know Adrian once said that people who transition to the astral often feel like they just woke up from a very bad dream. Si I guess Michael is exactly where he should be, with people of his own kind. That understands him and accepts him for what and who he is rather then criticize him. Perhaps those of us who can astral project can actually meet the real him; he would be able to express himself more accurately and freely now  .

[juliainkc]

Hi Robin and Bakichan,

I InJoyed your genuine and open expressions here. Robin, by kindred Spirit, I am speaking of who we are under all the skin and bones.

You both gave great examples of the world's judge and jury ways of keeping someone on a roller coaster ride of love and acceptance. We've all participated at some point. I gave tv and media up years ago and it has made a huge difference in being able to discern this way of living. One minute you are the bomb, and then OH! made a mistake, you suck! You know?... and we wonder why people seem so off balance...shifting sands of opinions... love and acceptance only if you do what we say and think is the idea of this...

Love's meaning has changed a lot throughout the years for me...the Higher path being shown that when one blows it and knows it, accept them and give them another hand up. Do the higher thing. If they don't see it, then go in peace and trust that the opportunity will continue for them as it does us until we see the Love that is always here waiting for us to make another choice that leads us to peace.

Anyone can 'crucify' another. We see it all the time. Understood yet, for our own peace of mind, letting it go or handing it over to a Higher Power eventually brings peace of mind...

Michael definitely had his ups and downs, he was under the spot light and microscope of public attention like so many others. Had gobs of money yet again, no guarantee of ones happiness. He was a very lonely man. Human indeed, slept, ate and did all human functions like anyone else.

As to the issue with the boys, I wondered at how the parents could make such an issue with what they say happened (I wasn't there so ...) and yet instead of getting to the bottom of it and healing their boys and perhaps Michael too, accepted millions of dollars as a 'cure all' for what 'ails' them. Talk about sending a mixed message. Was that the underlying idea to begin with? Who knows... like trying to feed a child when it is upset and saying 'here, this will make you feel better.' Another habit forming...hmm...

Just musing out loud here with you both,

I appreciate you.

Love in Spirit,

Julia

[Awakened Soul]

Hi Julia,

......eh.... how am I supposed to respond to these wise posts of yours? There's really only room for quietness and contemplation after these texts

It's all well said. And certainly a mixed message of those parents indeed.

I don't have cable tv either. I do have a tv with a home cinema set so I can watch concerts and other stuff I choose to watch.

[juliainkc]

  Oops!!

Robin and Baki, hmmm... I do see how this may have sounded like 'finger' pointing. Not intended at all. I was refering to the media's/collective world view of Michael. But then again, I am saying that we are all in this together as in all having done it at some point...

Yes, I have experienced alot of pause moments in my life too and I have no doubts that...there's always more! 

I'm with you, I have tv with the ability to choose what I want to watch when I want to watch.

I wasn't condoning or condemning anyone here, just musing at the shifting sands of public opinion and saddened by how when one's make errors, it's like in their face forever... or like the parent's seem to do, use it to their advantage.
Doesn't sound or seem all that glamourous of a life to me...

Love, Peace and Joy extended to you both and All,

Julia

[Baki Hanma]

Here is what Michaels daughter had to say about her daddy 

Paris Katherine Jackson

[barretina]

I saw MJ in concert about 20 years ago- I was around 24 so I guess it was the "BAD" tour. I wasn't a huge fan although I had grown up with him more or less- born in 1965. I just liked concerts and some of my pals were going 

We went to the concert on a tour bus (35/40 peeps) and it was a big party atmosphere all round on the way there- the journey was about 90 minutes. However on the bus back we traveled back in complete silence- nobody uttered a word. I think we were just in total awe of what we had seen- I also felt on a huge downer, I suppose that was natural after the tremendous high he induced.

It took me about 3 months to get back to normal, I couldn't forget him or what I had felt to be in his presence. I was not 15 years old, I was mid 20s with a good job, in a steady relationship, and I never communicated the effect that concert had on me to anyone- they would have thought I was mad. The two girlfriends I went with never discussed it again either, which I interpreted as they also were effected at a deep level...even typing this sounds crass, but it is what happened.

I think MJ was sent here as a reason to teach us something- he was persecuted for something that society deemed as bad- sleeping in a bedroom with a child (I have done that with a nine year old girl, because we were friends- I am also female). I have a strong bond with kids- I never really was able to be one myself, but I feel very very comfortable with them as they do with me. I guess I wasn't dragged through court because I didn't have any money 

I am reluctant to make comparisons of his life to that of Jesus, but this is a very open minded forum, and I can't help but feel there are similarities.

I also wonder about his facial changes- he was by his own admission ridiculed by his father for his looks when going through adolescence- he admitted only to a few minor plastic surgery procedures, I believe that may be correct and he is a prime example of a person changing his looks by his thoughts.

Thanks for reading...your thoughts??

[juliainkc]

Hello barrentina and Everyone,

Your sharing opens for consideration the many multiple experiences of life on Planet Earth. Michael Jackson made and left a deep impression on you, it's obvious that you are in good company. Everyone has the opportunity and does leave some kind of a deep impression on others, just depends on how one defines the impression another has left on them. We can observe this in our own life experience as well as in hearing others stories of their lives...whatever age one was when it happened doesn't matter really...it happened.

Some impressions are like candles and light a fire in us and other impressions are like a darkness which covers over and hides the light within us. Again, it is a personal choice on how and what one does with what happens in life by the way one chooses to perceive an event.

Michael like all of us here and all who have ever been here and will be leave an impression. Energy Beings living in Energy causes an effect within Energy. It is what It is...

I met a young woman when I moved here to the Heartland who was close friends with a woman friend of mine and her family. She was in a rocky marriage with no children. She loved children and InJoyed active playing with them as in games and taking them to events to open them to culture, and spending the night at her house for movies and popcorn and such.

She was a 'big' sister whom was allowed to be accepted in by a family who knew she was so deeply marred by her parents death as a young girl and after being 'taken in' by her aunt and uncle who proceeded to deeply impress her with sexual, mental and emotional abuse. She too was looking for a way to reclaim her 'lost' innocence of childhood. She is not alone, there are too many to mention here.

What changed her deeply to end her refusal to go back and take a look at what had happened and heal it, was another and perhaps the deepest trauma of her life. She, divorced from her husband by now, drove school buses for children because she loved children and she knew them all by name.

One day, while on her usual route, she checked her mirrors and did not realize a seven year aged boy had crawled under the bus to retrieve a paper the wind had blown out of his hand and proceeded to run him over. He died. She died another death in her life that day in more ways than one. It 'took' an event such as this to finally lead her to finding the power within to decide for herself to do something about the years of repressed carried pain and sufferering. And she was then on her way to reclaiming her misplaced Innocence by going back to the beginning and taking baby steps. Her death was the beginning of her living her life for perhaps the very first time in her life. She was late thirties, early forties when this happened.

I shared this in light of what you shared about Michael sleeping with young boys and yourself sleeping with a young girl in search of a missed childhood. I have come to find that the world system does judge others, it's a given...we do not know everything about a situation and tend to color our view of it based on our own life situations. Our discomfort at hearing things like this is a message to us to look deeper and see where this thought is coming from.

We don't know what all the details are in another's situation. But there is One who knows. sees and is Present everywhere and within everyone, a Silent Witness, and when these things are brought to Light it is for the benefit of all involved in the situation with far reaching implications. If and when brought to court the decision being based on the evidence is valid, from here the ones involved have a choice to be healed of any shadows that are hiding from Love's Light. IT says, choose again. This is for any choice that presents itself in life.

I also heard about his father being very overbearing. This is an example for us all that we can relate to another and see that not all choose the same in the same moment. Different sensitivities in our personalities. What affects one does not necessarily affect another in the same way. We see this in families with more than one child all the time. This does not make anyone 'beyond saving'. We cannot save another. We must choose our own salvation and I know eveyone understands what I am saying here. Choose to stand up and Be in your rightful position and then carry yourself in a way that represents who you truly are.

As a Host of God. We can see when one does not realize who they are, they represent themself as they believe themself to be, a hostage to their ego...

No condemnation here, no condoning, it's not my place. My place is to be the Host of God where I stand and this is what leads me in making choices that reflect this very Nature that is in me and my Authentic Self. The same is true for All.

May this be received in the Spirit with which it is given. I am not trying to take away from this discussion, just surprised that no one else responded to what I sense was a pause moment here.

Love expressing In Spirit as,

Julia

[barretina]

Thanks for your reply Julia- what really surprised me was when I went to the concert I was not a fan. I have been to many many concerts when I have been a fan of the band/musician performing but nobody has ever touched me the way he did- his energy was tremendous.

I truly felt for the woman you posted about- she must have been absolutely distraught when she ran a child over- I do believe before we came here we made a pact with other souls in order to learn lessons so we can progress, but even with that belief I find it very hard to hear of people in such difficult life situations such as hers.

I know some months ago in this forum (sorry I have been AWOL for a while) we were discussing changing your looks with your thoughts.
I recently watched the interviews "Living with Michael Jackson" where he was followed around by British journalist Martin Bashir over a span of 8 months.

During one interview MJ denies getting plastic surgery on his face other than 2 operations to his nose. He mentions he suffered horrible bouts of acne as a teenager, and his father would repeatedly insult him by making fun of his nose.

He emphatically denies having any other plastic surgery and 'bleaching' processes to whiten his skin. When I watched those videos I had no doubt he was telling the truth but his appearance was very different to the MJ of 25 years before...

I am very interested in being able to dramatically change ones appearance through thought- somehow I think Micheal J was a master creator of his outer circumstances as maybe we all are but maybe he was able to manifest what he wanted 'better' than others...I came across these pics when his skin began turning paler.





I would have loved to have had just an hour in his company- I think I would have learned a lot.
Maybe even how to moonwalk

[juliainkc]

Hello barretina,

I appreciate your thoughts as well.

Indeed, we 'think' we can change our looks by putting ourselves into all sorts of 'positions'. We give more power to ritualistic 'props' and miss the Intention which is where the true ability to change is.

Again, I say this to those of you who, have somehow gotten yourself all twisted up into what the idea of acceptable 'beauty' is...

You can change (alter) anything in your physical reality, you have the Power to change the physical manifestation. How? Through the props? Not at all. You are missing IT if you think this is the way. That is the brain's workings... Be open to being brainless. You don't 'need' a brain at all. Truly...

You've a MIND to... a ONE MIND SOURCE that you and all have. We just forget this when we become entangled and mangled in the defintions. When we believe that what we see is what is...

Accepting a psuedo idea, definition for the Authentic IDEAL meaning that can only be understood by 're - moving' the idea of what something means... see in another way of seeing Rumi said...

You are attempting to change what only 'seems' solid, ''I was born this way'...= (Illusion = something with a beginning (birth date) and an end (death certificate)).  Can anyone hear me talking out loud to myself now?

All the 'incantations' do is allow you to feel your Power exerting itself into the props. You are giving life to your imaginings.

So, Yes!!! YES!! you can change the way you look by changing the meanings of the thoughts you are having...

Simple? I ask you, how simple are you allowing it to be for yourself. Try the Sacred Prayers I have offered freely to all...

I am a women in this physical picture, whom is regarded by those who have physically seen me as 'younger' than her years. A grandmother!!?!?! OMG! That's how it works...

Not shared in boastful arrogance here folks. Shared in Knowing Confidence. Do you still want to mistranslate my meanings?

I say this in Love,

Grow Baby Grow!!

Wow barretina...where did all this come from?...

Love in Spirit,

Julia

[barretina]

LOL Julia, I am not sure how it came about...it just struck me over the last few days that probably MJ has always spoken the truth and nobody (or very few people) believed him. Instead of learning from him we hunted him into the ground accusing him of something that was probably completely henious to him, and if not directly killing him, half killing his career and life's work.

Before reading your reply I was having a browse through other parts of the forum and was quite sad to read a thread started by Goonie how desperate he is to change his looks, as is Wavepsychic.

I like the idea of it more a a fun thing to play with- hey- if I can or can't do it isn't too important, in fact not important at all actually, but I am sure I can and maybe already do do it- I am quite happy with my looks as you seem to be with yours, as Adrian seems to be with his- maybe we are doing it, and able to because we are not attached to it?

So how to become unattached to something you are completely attached to?

[juliainkc]

I Keep pretending I am off to bed Lol!! For real this time...

maybe we are doing it, and able to because we are not attached to it?

So how to become unattached to something you are completely attached to?

For myself it has been through practice, practice, practice. A Course in Miracles was and continues to be a very effective assistant~tool in letting go ...

Like gardening. When I began my very first attempt at gardening, I used my index finger. Ouch! Then a flimsy tablespoon. Poor thing. And then I got ahold of a shovel!! Had to let go of the other ways before finding the one that got the 'job' done. No need to re-invent the wheel anymore. I use what works and it is a system that keeps on producing fruit!

Practice by placing new thoughts around you to change the way you think. It is a very subtle process that does work. You don't see it right away, but the moment comes when you do and from there, there is no going back to the 'old' beliefs and ways of doing things...

I have found through the years of gaining through the experiences, that by choosing at one point to be open to going back to the beginning or retracing my steps to find the point of error or entry, allowed me to free myself up from the attachment and move on...

Finding where the wound or wounds are that caused me to re-act (by pushing Love away from myself, not Loving my Self by separating myself) instead of or in the place of responding (greeting Love's Presence by Loving my Self and bringing my Self back into One place)...

Just sharing out loud, sowing seeds of Love ~

Sweet dreams barretina and All,

Julia

[juliainkc]

Hi Debbie and Everyone,

In mentioning Michaels skin conditions and physically related 'issues'. I recall reading a book by Louis Hay called 'You Can Heal Your Life'. An interesting book that gave some ideas in relation to various dis -eases in the body and meanings to consider the 'message' one was receiving in the sending. So, I'll share from it in regards to skin related illnesses.



Problem ~       Probable Cause ~                           New Thought Pattern

Acne              Not accepting the Self.                             I am a Divine expression of life
                          Dislike of the self.                               I love and accept myself where I am now.


Skin               Protects our individuality.                           I feel safe to be me.
                              A sense organ.


Skin Problems   Anxiety, fear. Old buried guck.                    I lovingly protect myself with thoughts
                              I am being threatened.                     of joy and peace. The past is forgiven
                                                                                  and forgotten. I am free in this moment.


Just sharing some interesting ways of looking at these things, not saying this is the reasons for the cause of what ails us in moments.

Love in Spirit,

Julia

[barretina]

That sounds quite likely to me Julia...I also have that book and refer to it from time to time 

It can be quite uncanny- for example one day I kept hurting my fingers- first I cut myself, then I slammed it in a door or something...when I looked up fingers, can't remember what it said now, but it was spot on!

I do hope MJ is healing now, I feel as a society we failed someone who only wanted to do good in the world.