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« Reply #330 on: August 24, 2009, 21:20:01 »

Ps. Her position is "how can you claim strength when your very position comes from the idea that you have been victimized..."

All in good humor though. Yes I am a HUGE feminist!

Thank you Laura for the song... I didn't understand a word but the vibe said "sizzlin HOT"!!!!
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« Reply #331 on: August 24, 2009, 22:38:34 »


Thank you Laura for the song... I didn't understand a word but the vibe said "sizzlin HOT"!!!!


French
Paroles, paroles, paroles
Écoute-moi.
Paroles, paroles, paroles
Je t'en prie.
Paroles, paroles, paroles
Je te jure.
Paroles, paroles, paroles, paroles, paroles
Encore des paroles que tu sèmes au vent

English
WORDS, WORDS, WORDS
LISTEN TO ME. the guy goes in here
WORDS, WORDS, WORDS
PLEASE. the guy again
WORDS, WORDS, WORDS
I SWEAR TO YOU. the ..guy obviously
WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS
OTHER WORDS THAT YOU SOW IN THE WIND

http://lyricstranslate.com/en/Paroles-Paroles-Words-words.html

Here are some of the most interesting and intelligent thoughts I have ever heard on feminism...if you can sit through this... You can see why it wouldn't be hard for a male to sit through it. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSdZlPKHpUQ&feature=channel_page

But seriously interesting thoughts.

This young woman is from Romania by the way.

Sorry the girl lost me after 2 minutes. I think I prefer to spend the rest of the time reading again Adrian's newsletter. Words, words words... which ones do we chose?!?
Although I was born in Romania I never belonged there... and .. sigh about the Romanian men "words" I tell you I heard them best spoken as 'feminist' Leila remarked..lol.. by this guy who calls himself Talker.
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« Reply #332 on: August 25, 2009, 12:12:39 »

Hello Beloved Sisters and Brothers!

You are wonderful in your expressions here! So much Love shared and radiated here, makes me long for Love, and I will reconsider being a "feminist" smiley!

Sweet Laura, thank you for "Parole" - yes, words are valid only "in the moment", but they are so delicious! "Sweet little lies"...

I agree again about "Romanian male energy" which left you such a bitter taste...Indeed, our "miracle" Talker says the words best, in our native language!

I've heard marvellous words expressing the vibration of feelings, and their remembrance makes me thrill with emotion. Words are sounds, vibration, the substance of the Universe. They are powerful, and reading them fills us with their energy.

Dearest John, I watched the whole video, and saw that it is clear what "feminism" means. It does not refer to "orientation". I am (still) "straight"! smiley I referred to being supportive for women's issues, and caring for their emotional comfort. Acknowledging the beauty of their souls and hearts, and the aptitude to love and support each other, even if the general impression is that members of same sex are "in competition" with one another, and not so inclined toward sincere friendship and support. In the "normal world" often occur envy, jealousy, insincerity.

But we live here the "normal insanity" state of spirit, where brothers and sisters love each other unconditionally. Yet, sometimes we can go beyond brotherhood in our communing and love, and let our divine beings be thrilled by the natural attraction between genders. We are all beautiful and attractive humans, expressing the love of God.

The point is the primacy of Self Love. The letting go of "need" for receiving love from "outside". Lots of friends here afirm they are way over "needing Love". They can deeply tap into the "cosmic Love" and feel accomplished and happy. I am not ashamed to admit that until very recently I saw human love as most beautiful and worth experience of this life on earth. The essence and source of life.

I might be now, finally, in the process of deeply connecting with My Self and finding the everlasting happiness and love there. Not sure yet about evolution. Will keep you posted! smiley

My body and subconsciousness are cleansing heavily for weeks or months, under the influence of the present cosmic energy, and the process is sometimes painful. I'm not permanently in high spirit, but experience sadness too in this clearing of energies.

I enjoy very much this community! It helps me alot to find the motivation, courage, energy to make new choices in my life, knowing that I'm not alone, but the Universe supports Truth, Love and Light. Still, I'm alone in taking decisions and actions. Nobody else can take and face them for me.

On this note, I have observed that Laura understands me the best. She overcame long ago the energies of this place. I was not strong enough so far. I have lived my personal "contract" of my soul. I acknowledge my weakness, and ask the Divine Spirit for support and guidance. Let go of false beliefs, and afirm the truth: "I AM ONE with GOD".

I feel so blessed to be part of this family! I now close my eyes, and imagine that I meet each of you personally, and hug and caress you lovingly, shedding tears of happiness for the resonance of our kinded spirits.

I love you endlessly, most beautiful souls in the world!

Your humble sister in Spirit,

Leila
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« Reply #333 on: August 25, 2009, 14:08:10 »

Hello Beloved Sisters and Brothers!

You are wonderful in your expressions here! So much Love shared and radiated here, makes me long for Love, and I will reconsider being a "feminist" smiley!

Sweet Laura, thank you for "Parole" - yes, words are valid only "in the moment", but they are so delicious! "Sweet little lies"...

I agree again about "Romanian male energy" which left you such a bitter taste...Indeed, our "miracle" Talker says the words best, in our native language!

I've heard marvellous words expressing the vibration of feelings, and their remembrance makes me thrill with emotion. Words are sounds, vibration, the substance of the Universe. They are powerful, and reading them fills us with their energy.

Dearest John, I watched the whole video, and saw that it is clear what "feminism" means. It does not refer to "orientation". I am (still) "straight"! smiley I referred to being supportive for women's issues, and caring for their emotional comfort. Acknowledging the beauty of their souls and hearts, and the aptitude to love and support each other, even if the general impression is that members of same sex are "in competition" with one another, and not so inclined toward sincere friendship and support. In the "normal world" often occur envy, jealousy, insincerity.

But we live here the "normal insanity" state of spirit, where brothers and sisters love each other unconditionally. Yet, sometimes we can go beyond brotherhood in our communing and love, and let our divine beings be thrilled by the natural attraction between genders. We are all beautiful and attractive humans, expressing the love of God.

The point is the primacy of Self Love. The letting go of "need" for receiving love from "outside". Lots of friends here afirm they are way over "needing Love". They can deeply tap into the "cosmic Love" and feel accomplished and happy. I am not ashamed to admit that until very recently I saw human love as most beautiful and worth experience of this life on earth. The essence and source of life.

I might be now, finally, in the process of deeply connecting with My Self and finding the everlasting happiness and love there. Not sure yet about evolution. Will keep you posted! smiley

My body and subconsciousness are cleansing heavily for weeks or months, under the influence of the present cosmic energy, and the process is sometimes painful. I'm not permanently in high spirit, but experience sadness too in this clearing of energies.

I enjoy very much this community! It helps me alot to find the motivation, courage, energy to make new choices in my life, knowing that I'm not alone, but the Universe supports Truth, Love and Light. Still, I'm alone in taking decisions and actions. Nobody else can take and face them for me.

On this note, I have observed that Laura understands me the best. She overcame long ago the energies of this place. I was not strong enough so far. I have lived my personal "contract" of my soul. I acknowledge my weakness, and ask the Divine Spirit for support and guidance. Let go of false beliefs, and afirm the truth: "I AM ONE with GOD".

I feel so blessed to be part of this family! I now close my eyes, and imagine that I meet each of you personally, and hug and caress you lovingly, shedding tears of happiness for the resonance of our kinded spirits.

I love you endlessly, most beautiful souls in the world!

Your humble sister in Spirit,

Leila


Loving Ladies and Gentlemen,

Whew, what a relief. When the feminist issue came in, with the light commentary that followed, I thought I was missing some point of it.
So some history, to put focus on what I say.
Well now, the issue is not new, nor resolved, regardless of what one hears, or reads about it. Five decades ago, as I was rising within the ranks of the corporate world, was my wake up call. I may not have been the brightest light shining in the corporate male culture, but I did possess, 'common sense'. When I look back and reflect upon the actions, that my authority at the time allowed, I just smile in delight of those days. Was called to task, many times, by company CEO's, Presidents, Vice-Presidents, Marketing, Unions, Quality control and my boss, about how I made operating decisions. I had  hired, to my recollection, most every world nationality, midgets, skinny and overweight persons, the blind, crippled, stutterers, non-english speaking , male and females, that met the jobs requirements. No more, no less than what the job called for, and that posed a problem to my higher ranked colleagues. Was also the prime reason that my corporate advancement, was highly limited. No complaints, no regrets, just the awareness that had I been more of a conformist, I could have achieved higher grade advancement and salaries.
Could actually write a book that would have you rolling in the aisles with laughter, on the events that I had initiated.
Bluntly put, I was a company hatchet man, and prime trouble shooter, albeit, one possed with common sense, and is why I eventually left that culture.
Long story yet to tell.
Anyway, when facing any corporate honcho, that was ranting at me for my actions, I would shut them up by plainly tell them 'without your secretary (normally a female)  you couldn't find your way to the men's room'.This was based on the many evenings and long lunches, with 'gin and tonics' that flowed, where I was invited, to talk things out about their fears of 'loosing their female secretary', long stories filled with indecision given by powerful men, without the balls to use 'common sense'. Ha, did they ever get an earful from this one.

       
Ladies I love you.

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« Reply #334 on: August 25, 2009, 14:49:24 »

Do tell the long story Talker por favor, very interesting so far.
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« Reply #335 on: February 16, 2010, 10:52:35 »

Hello To All,
Isn't this a parable? A religious lesson for humans? Well I have my beliefs on this story. When I was younger and this story was told to me even at a young age I didn't quite get it. I didn't believe it  literally as much as I could understand what the word literal even meant. 

As the story was related to me I started thinking to myself, but what of freewill? You either have it or you don't. Why would God (the God from my catholic teachings)  tell me I give you freewill, but there's a catch. That's not really freewill.  So from that first teaching I had a problem with the story. It wasn't till later on in my life when I could think for myself that I came to conclusion this story was an attempt to put blame on the female by men who felt jelousy towards their counterpart and make her appear to lack so called moral judgement and was less inferior to man because she lacked self control. Although Adam supposedly followed in her footsteps therefore after she ate the apple. There's nothing in the story I can tell that puts judgement on Adam. This I believe is an attempt to put into the minds of men that they better take control of their women or end up like Adam disowned by God.

I believe this is why there are many cultures that place a women's rights or should I say her humanity rights at the bottom of the list. Causing oppression and control over their life here on Earth. We're even told our menstrual cycle and birthing are proof that we are to spend our lives in pain and tortue  for the *sin*  we commited in the Garden of Eve. Purely put women are the lowest form on Earth and just as these same people view animals as the lowest form on Earth, feeling superior to them, they don't need to bother themselves with caring or aknowledging that women are human beings with the same wants, needs as thier counterpart man. I guess it makes it easier on thier concious  the way they treat their counterparts as blantantly put yesterdays rubbish. 

There was a time in Earths history from what I have learned that women were well respected and more often then not looked upon as very wise people. She was reverend as Gaia is and because she could hold the mysteries of giving birth ( they hadn't a concept of the sperm and egg yet) knew of the importance of loving her and giving her great respect for these abilities. Those must have been wonderful days for a women:)

Then came the others who through I believe jelousy and envy couldn't stand the fact that women had so much adoration and respect maybe even power. And for what ever reason I will never know exactally didn't like what they saw. I believe this is when it was their mission in life to discredit a women's worth by making up a story about an apple tree, a serpent , God and man . If they told the story long enough to those who would listen they were able to place blame for all humankind's missed chance at living the so called ideal life with God in the Garden of Eden. To me this was the evolution of propaganda and the misery that follows.  Now this is just my thought on the story.

I'm not saying there isn't a place on Earth that didn't exist in literal terms, but I don't believe it's where God created man/women and put his laws on them. Doesn't make sense to me. 

In any case I believe we need to view men and women as one source. Each balancing the need of the other. Both as important to their survival to evolve from a tiny cell at conception to a humanbeing at birth. There's too much distinction put into our physcial differences. We need to focus on the whole picture  and realize without the other there would be no life form to experience this place we call Earth.

Just my take on things. 

Love and light,
Alicia

   
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« Reply #336 on: February 16, 2010, 14:33:50 »

Hello Dear Alicia and All ~ smiley


Thank you for bringing this one back up for viewing Alicia and including your Presence in the mix. I am open to the flow ~

I will share that I am InJoying Adrian's sharing on Genesis in his weekly newsletters. Namaste` Adrian.

I agree with you about something not vibing in the story. I asked the same question as you have, 'Why would a 'God of Love' set up conditions for ITs ongoing Creative Energy into 'form' Manifestation of Love to 'fail'. Something is missing here in this story ...

So, my Journey took me back into this very 'institution' to uncover what the 'Spark of Curiosity' was that was lit within me. This Spark came right after a very unusual and expected experience or revelation of this Energy Presence Being in my life at age 19.

The 'ugly duckling' finding where she fit in.  The benefits of this experience for me has allowed me to commune with ones whom buy this story hook line and sinker and while it may seem that I am being argumentative and contentious in moments, I share here with you it is not ever my Intention. I am one to invite ones to another possible view of things and take what may speak to them and leave the rest. Passing this Spark of Curiosity on to look deeper into the Heart of the Matter so as not to fear IT.

For me now in my moving through understanding by remaining open and not set in my beliefs, Evil is not a person, place or thing . It is a motive. Is what one is intending to Uplift or Tear Down? Uplift for me is right behavior based on 'good intentions' or actions flowing from the Inner thoughts ~ ideas Being revealed and/or (choice) of tearing down by 'wrong intentions' or destructive behavior?

Form follows function idea ~

The idea I receive from this story is that by remaining in Connection with Divine Source one will not be separated or led astray and this is due to recognizing the Divine in us. Already in place and not by trying to add or subtract to ITS Universal Law already established with which is meaningless without Love.

The Universal Principle or Law is an attribute of Love and can do nothing in and of itself without Love. It's what holds this entire Universe together.

Duality is what I see happened in the Garden of Eden and Mankind (male and female) have been attempting to find their way back to this Unity of Being One with the 'Father' or Parent that was before any physical expressions took place as to the outcome or result of this Divine Life Energy being expressed into a form.

Parent has gone nowhere, it is we who have wandered away from this 'Truth'. Turn around and Be Home Now is what I heard and this is the only 'message' I intended to share in my participation in this thread.

I hear you and understand your view here truly.


Much much Love in the sharing ~

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« Reply #337 on: February 16, 2010, 15:01:38 »

Hello to All,
You expressed yourself with devine wisdom Julia. I am agreement with you wholeheartedly. 

Love and light,
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