The Garden of Eden

[Talker]

Hey Laura, Talker and Clear,

This discussion reminds me of how hard it is to translate languages and truly capture the thought forms and nuances that get lost in literal translations.

The other day someone asked me about a puzzling bible passage.  It was a King James translation of 1 Samuel 24:1-3 that read:

1Sa 24:1 And it came to pass, when Saul was returned from following the Philistines, that it was told him, saying, Behold, David is in the wilderness of En-gedi.
1Sa 24:2 Then Saul took three thousand chosen men out of all Israel, and went to seek David and his men upon the rocks of the wild goats.
1Sa 24:3 And he came to the sheepcotes by the way, where was a cave; and Saul went in to cover his feet: and David and his men remained in the sides of the cave.

My friend said, "In the midst of all of that drama, why would Saul go into a cave and 'cover his feet'?

I had to laugh. 

The King James and some other translations get it right literally -- that's what the Hebrew literally says.  But look up that verse up in other translations like the NIV and NRSV and it says that Saul went into a cave and "relieved himself".  Hey, the guy had to take a leak, but the Hebrew uses a euphimism that gets lost on those who don't "think Hebrew".

Laura, you bring up a an interesting thought in the similarities and differences in Aramaic and Hebrew.  Jesus thought and spoke in Aramaic.  The Hebrew of his sacred scripture was certainly related but actually a "dead" language by his time (that is, nobody spoke it in daily life -- you had to take the time to learn it in order to read things like the ancient scriptures).  This is kind of like is was later for Catholic Christians, who whose bible and liturgy were all in Latin, but who spoke Latin-related languages like English or Spanish. 

Of course the New Testament was written in Koine Greek, which is also now a "dead" language.  Given all that can "get lost in the translation" of thought forms and nuance, it makes you wonder how butchered up the message of Jesus became in the translation from Aramaic to Koine Greek to English!!!  My own opinion is -- quite a bit!

And thanks, Laura, for asking about me.      I've been lurking as of late.  There are a lot of great discussions going on various threads, but haven't had the time or energy to respond with anything that would probably be helpful.

Love to all, DH

Dear Talker, DH and all

I read your link to DH post (by the way I haven't seen him in a long while - where are you dear friend??) - and I really loved it.

I think the problem with Bible/religion in general is when people take it literally - however each stage is a growth process.

Here is a great site with Hebrew language - for some reason I am very attracted to learn about it. Is fascinating - each letter has a meaning, a significance, as they say "each letter points to wonderful truth about life" - so how much more a word can do?
So in this way I can "see" very well what DH means by the thing that "you have to speak" Hebrew.
I find it fascinating that the old time language has such potential for expanding ones mind.
Here is a great site: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/Unit_One/Aleph-Bet/aleph-bet.html

Aramaic is even older than Hebrew. Also Arabic language is fascinating and very similar to Hebrew in many ways.

So in cross-culture communication so much is lost in translation, no matter how good the translator is.

A long time ago I gave up on 'believing' translations in a literary sense. Music and Love however expands the Mind and heart to comprehend that which cannot be expressed in our common language of today: English.

Reflecting upon this The Story of Tower of Babel comes to mind. Perhaps is time that we read that again and reflect on language barriers and use the story in reverse: "when we understand eachother fully we reach God".


love

Hello Dear Friends,
Ah yes, translations and language can be and generally is a learning curve. A dozen years ago I proudly worked up a Spanish version of a meditative state of what I called 'Healing Hands'. This was in response to my Spanish friends in San Diego, that did not read English well.
Knowing only an odd word or two in a few languages was no barrier to my efforts. Wow, what are the freebee language translators for, if not to convert one language to another. Lets see, naive, no that is to gentle a word to use, but will use it anyway. So many hours later, I ever so happy, handed the translated write to a Spanish friend to read.
Well, what did you expect!
He looked at it and promptly said' it makes no sense'. Ouch. An offer to help translate was accepted by me. A week later the write was returned to me still untranslated. Unable to get it right.
So off I went, to a person well versed in language, and did I get an earfull of the nuances of translating languages. Never ever gave a thought to it, but 'sounds', tonal inflections and placement are all part and parcel of getting meaningful translations.
Oh well, live and learn.
Nope, never did go for a professional translating service, as the cost was rather high for what I was wanting to do. 
Did help though, regards the bible versions that gave me difficulty, and my understanding how it can happen. But that's another story.
Be Well

[juliainkc]

Hi ALL in alpha-beta-cal order,

Talker, DH, Laura and All,

Yum yum !!! ~ ~ ~

Hey Laura, Talker and Clear,

This discussion reminds me of how hard it is to translate languages and truly capture the thought forms and nuances that get lost in literal translations.

The other day someone asked me about a puzzling bible passage.  It was a King James translation of 1 Samuel 24:1-3 that read:

1Sa 24:1 And it came to pass, when Saul was returned from following the Philistines, that it was told him, saying, Behold, David is in the wilderness of En-gedi.
1Sa 24:2 Then Saul took three thousand chosen men out of all Israel, and went to seek David and his men upon the rocks of the wild goats.
1Sa 24:3 And he came to the sheepcotes by the way, where was a cave; and Saul went in to cover his feet: and David and his men remained in the sides of the cave.

My friend said, "In the midst of all of that drama, why would Saul go into a cave and 'cover his feet'?

I had to laugh. 

The King James and some other translations get it right literally -- that's what the Hebrew literally says.  But look up that verse up in other translations like the NIV and NRSV and it says that Saul went into a cave and "relieved himself".  Hey, the guy had to take a leak, but the Hebrew uses a euphimism that gets lost on those who don't "think Hebrew".

Laura, you bring up a an interesting thought in the similarities and differences in Aramaic and Hebrew.  Jesus thought and spoke in Aramaic.  The Hebrew of his sacred scripture was certainly related but actually a "dead" language by his time (that is, nobody spoke it in daily life -- you had to take the time to learn it in order to read things like the ancient scriptures).  This is kind of like is was later for Catholic Christians, who whose bible and liturgy were all in Latin, but who spoke Latin-related languages like English or Spanish. 

Of course the New Testament was written in Koine Greek, which is also now a "dead" language.  Given all that can "get lost in the translation" of thought forms and nuance, it makes you wonder how butchered up the message of Jesus became in the translation from Aramaic to Koine Greek to English!!!  My own opinion is -- quite a bit!

And thanks, Laura, for asking about me.      I've been lurking as of late.  There are a lot of great discussions going on various threads, but haven't had the time or energy to respond with anything that would probably be helpful.

Love to all, DH

Dear Talker, DH and all

I read your link to DH post (by the way I haven't seen him in a long while - where are you dear friend??) - and I really loved it.

I think the problem with Bible/religion in general is when people take it literally - however each stage is a growth process.

Here is a great site with Hebrew language - for some reason I am very attracted to learn about it. Is fascinating - each letter has a meaning, a significance, as they say "each letter points to wonderful truth about life" - so how much more a word can do?
So in this way I can "see" very well what DH means by the thing that "you have to speak" Hebrew.
I find it fascinating that the old time language has such potential for expanding ones mind.
Here is a great site: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/Unit_One/Aleph-Bet/aleph-bet.html

Aramaic is even older than Hebrew. Also Arabic language is fascinating and very similar to Hebrew in many ways.

So in cross-culture communication so much is lost in translation, no matter how good the translator is.

A long time ago I gave up on 'believing' translations in a literary sense. Music and Love however expands the Mind and heart to comprehend that which cannot be expressed in our common language of today: English.

Reflecting upon this The Story of Tower of Babel comes to mind. Perhaps is time that we read that again and reflect on language barriers and use the story in reverse: "when we understand eachother fully we reach God".


love

Hello Dear Friends,
Ah yes, translations and language can be and generally is a learning curve. A dozen years ago I proudly worked up a Spanish version of a meditative state of what I called 'Healing Hands'. This was in response to my Spanish friends in San Diego, that did not read English well.
Knowing only an odd word or two in a few languages was no barrier to my efforts. Wow, what are the freebee language translators for, if not to convert one language to another. Lets see, naive, no that is to gentle a word to use, but will use it anyway. So many hours later, I ever so happy, handed the translated write to a Spanish friend to read.
Well, what did you expect!
He looked at it and promptly said' it makes no sense'. Ouch. An offer to help translate was accepted by me. A week later the write was returned to me still untranslated. Unable to get it right.
So off I went, to a person well versed in language, and did I get an earfull of the nuances of translating languages.

Never ever gave a thought to it, but 'sounds', tonal inflections and placement are all part and parcel of getting meaningful translations.

Oh well, live and learn.
Nope, never did go for a professional translating service, as the cost was rather high for what I was wanting to do. 
Did help though, regards the bible versions that gave me difficulty, and my understanding how it can happen. But that's another story.
Be Well

In a nutshell or open seed expression ...

live and learn as you so well say Mr. Magoo does Earth ... and it is quite a fun ride ~ 'laughter' in lilting fashion ~

Namaste All,

Julia

[wavepsychic]

Dear Dragon my friend,

Saul went into a cave and "relieved himself".  Hey, the guy had to take a leak, but the Hebrew uses a euphimism that gets lost on those who don't "think Hebrew".

This is the translation I was taught in Bible School as a young kid. However this whole story has no spiritual relevance. Doesn't teach truth, doesn't get you any Psychic Powers, nor does it aid in the Enlightenment endeavor.

This is my main problem with the Bible. Its far to deluded with useless stories that the real spiritual knowledge is hard to find. You'd have better luck finding diamonds in a coal mind.

[juliainkc]

Greetings Everyone,

Louis ... ? ...

(DH, forgive in advance, I am well aware that I am Julia expressing here yet I am moved to respond... Thank you in advance as well my Beloved Friend.)

Dear Dragon my friend,

Saul went into a cave and "relieved himself".  Hey, the guy had to take a leak, but the Hebrew uses a euphimism that gets lost on those who don't "think Hebrew".

This is the translation I was taught in Bible School as a young kid.

However this whole story has no spiritual relevance. Doesn't teach truth, doesn't get you any Psychic Powers, nor does it aid in the Enlightenment endeavor.

This is my main problem with the Bible. Its far to deluded with useless stories that the real spiritual knowledge is hard to find. You'd have better luck finding diamonds in a coal mind.

Louis, what is your 'barrier' or wall of resistance to the Bible? The Bible cannot hurt you at all my Beloved younger Brother.

Look straight at IT and have no fear. Just like Tao ...

The taking a leak actually had deep 'Spiritual' significance my friend and brother...

Can you pee for me Louis? OMG!! DID SHE JUST SAY THIS?!?!

YES!! I DID!!! 

Really, this is a Zen statement, and I am sharing the recent synchronistic Zen Calendar reading here;

'Pissing is something that no one else can do for you. Only you can piss for yourself ... [And] you must realize that to say "nobody else can piss for you" is to make an utterly serious statement.' ~ Soko Marinaga

I play in this forums all, yet, i am serious in my playing ~

Truly folks, Love is beyond the Matrix ~

Julia

"

[wavepsychic]

Dear my Divine sister Julia,

I love sharing with everyone here. You all have so much interesting things to say. We are all on the same level spiritually... Its like a family. As much as I love talking with you Gnostics I really don't like to talk to Christians & you wont find me in a church! Christians are just so hard to deal them. Adrian knows all to well what I mean. lol Poor Adrian.

I was brought up Christians and I really enjoyed bible school & church camping trips. I socialized more at these functions then I did anywhere else. I loved the crafts and activities. However the whole church thing just always felt wrong! I felt as though I've been lied too. I am a Scorpio I can't have that!

My ticket out of this religions grasp was through a dark place. I've meet others that I knew from the church who also got out of this religious phaze. After being freed from this religion I felt so liberated. I am not even more liberated from my dark side & am sharing with you wise people. We learn together, we grow together.

The Bible can be to confusing since its corruption. Tis best to just leave it behind.

[Blueridge]

Dear my Divine sister Julia,

I love sharing with everyone here. You all have so much interesting things to say. We are all on the same level spiritually... Its like a family. As much as I love talking with you Gnostics I really don't like to talk to Christians & you wont find me in a church! Christians are just so hard to deal them. Adrian knows all to well what I mean. lol Poor Adrian.

I was brought up Christians and I really enjoyed bible school & church camping trips. I socialized more at these functions then I did anywhere else. I loved the crafts and activities. However the whole church thing just always felt wrong! I felt as though I've been lied too. I am a Scorpio I can't have that!

My ticket out of this religions grasp was through a dark place. I've meet others that I knew from the church who also got out of this religious phaze. After being freed from this religion I felt so liberated. I am not even more liberated from my dark side & am sharing with you wise people. We learn together, we grow together.

The Bible can be to confusing since its corruption. Tis best to just leave it behind.


Corrupted may be true to a certain extent, but How do we know many ancient works have not been the same, or is it we try to put a literal interpretation to it, and it fails, but if we treat it as a mythology or symbolic many truths do resonate with much much deeper meaning, and coincide with the other ancient writings of others.

[juliainkc]

Good morning Beloved Louis, Blueridge and All,

I InJoy your sharing as well truly. Everyone here is interesting in their unique expressions.

You won't find me in a building either called a church. I believe it was Laura who shared that we are the 'church' or temple that contains the Living Spirit of this one we call Tao, Source or God and I do agree with this.

We are the 'Bible or Tao' being written in each moment that we live and breathe and have our being. Beyond mere words on a page.

We have all been lied to along the way. Leave the lies behind and stand in this moment. Your life is your living in this moment testimony of this expression, 'God is a God of the living and not the dead.'

Confusion abounds Louis, it is a part of being in this experience. I find these are the very things that enhance ones ability to discern ones own voice within and reaching beyond the boundaries of collective consciousness and tapping into the Superconscious Mind, the Heart that beats within us all (the Silence) where no confusion or lies exist.

Stepping away from all forms of manmade religions has helped me tremendously in seeing the single thread woven throughout that is holding all of us and everything in this Universe together. It seems we have a tendency to pull away from our Unifying elements and this idea of turning around is becoming more clear, as in all turning around and looking in the same direction or Source from whom we all come from and not so much at what is different in one another.

I tend to believe that this Source can communicate beyond any of the various ideas interpreted by another person's idea of what the words 'mean'. Like you say and I agree, it either vibes with your Inner Sensor or it does not. I have noticed that the way I once believed well, I am not in the same place I once was and will continue to progress not holding too tightly to where I am in this moment. Living and participating in Life does this it seems.

I also see the connection in all different faiths and in each one there are the 'leaders' who shout their personal agendas from their erected pulpits. We can see the evidence all around us.

Source is not the author of confusion but of Love and Power and a Sound Mind.

If we say we are liberated then there is nothing to be offended by to defend really. Including orthodox religions and their followers. They have no power over us unless we allow it. I have found that the more control one wants over another the more out of control one is within in some way. We can be aware of it without being drawn into it.

I have some in my life who still think I need saving. I do not argue with them (it is pointless), I do encourage them to focus on their own one on one with their Source and ask that I be allowed to do the same. They share with an agenda or campaigning for a cause. I have no cause to defend really. Just freedom to live in peace of one's own conscious Spirit connection with the Divine Source of All. Peace, Joy and Love extending and Being expressed for the well-being of another has been a good indicator of when I am flowing from within this Energy. It allows me to allow another to believe in whatsoever way they wish and I can share from this space. I cannot do anything about the way another perceives what I share and this has set me free as well.

We are all in this together and I am only encouraging all who have come from an orthodox religious background, to find the gold (God) in the experience and leave the rest behind. Just take the gold nuggets and gems with you.

The past cannot hurt us truly unless we believe it to be so. This has truly been a 'time' of letting go and letting God for me.

Sharing Love with you All in Open Heart and Mind and Spirit,

Julia

[wavepsychic]

Dear Blue and Julia,

Blue we have the history of the Bible being altered. We don't see that with the books from the far east.

Julia what you shared here is very wise indeed but most Christians wouldn't agree with any of it!

I am have an ugly day today, well today and yesterday. So I am not feeling so good in the spirit.

Peace...

Louis

[juliainkc]

Hi Louis,

This may be one for the definitions thread!

'What does 'Christian' mean for or to you?'

Just asking truly ...

Warmly embracing you in Love Energy,

Julia

[DH]

Hello Dragon brother,

Sorry you are having a rough go here lately.  Hope things get better soon!

I ditto Julia's question about how you would define "Christian."  There are fundamentalists who fit your profile, but most of the Christians I know would agree with Julia's wisdom.

It's also untrue that Eastern scriptures  have not been messed with.  It's well known that the earliest sect of Mahayana Buddhists made alterations in the Sutra and Vinaya texts to reinterpret monastic rule to their own liking.  They also rejected some portions of the older texts outright.  Siddhartha Gautama, like Jesus, didn't write any thing down and his teachings were preserved by his disciples through oral tradition long before they were written down.  Buddhist texts have their own set of problems when it comes to corruptions and interpretations.  Theravada and Mahayana Buddhists differ in their perspective on the ultimate purpose of life and the way in which it can be attained. Which one really reflects the original teaching of Siddhartha?  Don't know, but as in the case of the various interpretations of the teachings of Jesus, what does it matter?

The point is, the various religious scriptures may have divine inspiration but they are all filtered through the finite human mind and influenced by the ego.  They all have weird stories to interpret and certain rituals or practices for their followers to follow.  I try to be a spiritual sponge -- I soak in the various spiritual teachings, retain what resonates with love, and wring out the rest like dirty water -- be it the Christian bible or Hindu or Muslim or Buddhist scriptures. 

Be open to truth in any form.  And hey, I really do hope you have a better day!   

[juliainkc]

Hello Beloved DH, Louis and All,

Louis, DH has shared deep wisdom which I know you both realize and recongize.

That said, took my girls out of a private 'christian' school for claiming that those who sang and practiced rock music were of the devil. Truth.

So, I love this artist, she broke all the 'rules' and yet she claimed her own understanding of Jesus. Christ like or chritian?

Change the words to your level of GOD.

okay all, many back in the bible days, i am many like me listened to amy grant. She left her cocaine addicted husban behind much to the chagrin of her family (defining) terms of what unconditional love meant to them. They weren't in the situaltion she was at all. And she raised her middle finger in salute. 

I embrace her deeply underlying message even unto this day ~ Rock On! Amy!!

Love to you All~

Sharing what was once called 'Christian Rock'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP85jpFmvNE

[wavepsychic]

Hello Dragon brother and Phoenix sister

To answer your question I don't think being called a Christian is a compliment!

Melody explained to me that even in Buddhism there are monks that disagree on what the true meanings all. In the end I don't want to be anything, I just want to be Spiritual. I still do like to call myself Taoist or Gnostic though.

Just Peace and Love

Louis

[DH]

Just be yourself bro, and be happy about who you are, which in my opinion is Source expressing itself uniquely as Louis.

Hello Dragon brother and Phoenix sister

To answer your question I don't think being called a Christian is a compliment!

Melody explained to me that even in Buddhism there are monks that disagree on what the true meanings all. In the end I don't want to be anything, I just want to be Spiritual. I still do like to call myself Taoist or Gnostic though.

Just Peace and Love

Louis

[Pure Energy]

Hi Julia ...I’m taking your invitation to share my thoughts about the Garden of Eden….everything that we see on the outside of us, is actually within us….we created each thing in our lives to show us the way…signs...bread crumbs through a dark forest...these crumbs lead us onwards…

We created the bible…please understand when I’m using the term “we” I’m referring to the one we are in spirit…we created the bible as a tool…through the bibles teachings there are signs…clues to help you move beyond the physical world…to do as Jesus did…

The bible as all things at its bases is energy…just as the story of Adam and Eve...it is energy…just as the garden of Eden is energy…the garden of Eden is heaven…a place without pain or limits...of freedom...a beautiful perfect place...this place exists as all things…it is within us…it is a state of being, a vibration…

We as in the one we are created the first man and woman…Adam and Eve…

In terms of the absolute, we were all created in the same instant because there is only this exact moment...all other moments Julia lead you to this moment…

You created these words to help remind you of who you are...to lead you home...to increase your vibration…

This sacred garden is within your heart Julia…we can go back there….we can open the doorway…the doorway that Jesus created when He died on the cross…He died for our sins…He told us about the devil…He told us through the bible…He also told us that He lives within us just as the Father lives within Him…He tells us that we are all gods...that we all can do what He does and even greater because He goes to the Father…He’s telling us here that we can do as He does because after He left his physical body, he could come again as the Holy spirit and rise within us…

We are woman…we are the feminine side of God…we are one with this woman known as Eve…

This is your universe Julia, just as it is mine...our play ground...what will you create...what will I create…we are both the mother of creation…you created this world…you created it to have the experience you have had thus far as Julia…each thing a part of this thing you think of as your life..

Eve was unfaithful to her husband…she was tempted by the devil and ate from the tree of knowledge...the knowledge being this understanding of how we are all God because we are all made of the same energy…this knowledge caused us to be cursed...to walk this world…when Eve ate the apple, it put her to sleep...slowed her vibration…because we are all connected, this worm/Satan that was within the said apple, not only invaded Eve’s body, it also invaded every other human being…that is why we are here in this physical world…it is a curse upon us….just like a computer virus...an infection…

We as women have to give ourselves to Jesus...to marry Him…Jesus never had a physical relationship with Mary Magdalene…Mary became one with Jesus in the spirit…Jesus is very much still alive Julia....He is the one who told me that He never physically had sex with any woman while He walked this earth...I once believed that Jesus was married to Mary, that they had sexual intercourse, but just a few months ago the Lord explained to me what this really meant...they had become one in spirit as Mary gave her life to the Lord…we all can do this…as you give yourself to Jesus...He will show you who you are...what your purpose is…who better to love us then God…sex in this world is a lie to what we truly are...when the spirit of Jesus touches us, it is like nothing we can put into words...it fills every cell in our bodies, lifting us far above this dream…sex can not compare to that...not saying that sex is bad because its not...it is the most sacred of acts but this worlds view of sex, it is very distorted for the most part…

The garden of Eden opens up for you as you are reborn…you are reborn in spirit/frequency as Jesus rises within you…as you bond with Him…

The holy garden comes to life as you, the waking goddess brings life to the garden…you do this by shining the SON upon all the seeds…the seeds are within others...within you…our lives are meant to free this world from the lie of the devil...the devil a very real force...it keeps the veil over our minds...our vibrations down...it will stop at nothing to banish the spirit and name of Jesus from our lips so it can continue feeding off of humanity…this world is a jail…women need to now awaken…to awaken those seeds...to awake themselves...to awaken in spirit…as you as in Julia gives your body, your entire being to the spirit of Jesus, it causes Jesus to rise within you…He awakens within you...breaks free from the shell …He then awakens through a partner, a physical world fleshly husband…your lives are meant to be used to bring light to the darkness...the light that I speak of is the spirit of Jesus….then the sacred garden within your heart will open as the tree of life comes into full blossom within your heart...the tree of life is Jesus...He is the mustard seed within your heart…you know about this seed…in the bible the Lord tells us many things...in Genesis He tells us of the beginning, in Revelations He speaks of the End...as it all comes together for us, we see it as a full circle...no ending or beginning…you know of the bible , it speaks to you in many ways but this concept of sin, hell and judgment and of course Satan...they do not feel right to you…you are a very conscious woman...you know of energy...you know your place in the universe…hmmmm well, you don’t fully know…you are really a holy Queen…a Queen to the Highest King…the highest of High Kings...Lord Jesus...when you stand next to Him within the sacred place within your heart…you will see how beautiful you are, how powerful and pure...like a big beautiful diamond…

We are at the doorstep of a new world…we will have to adapt...to rise up in vibration…who better to guide us through these very dark times then the spirit of Jesus...He is love...pure unconditional love...

I have a little book I put together last year that speaks about this sacred garden...I would be happy to share it with you…let it speak to you in whatever way that it is meant to…

There’s a tree of life that grows within the sacred garden...the key to immortality...it is the spirit if Lord Jesus…this tree grows within us, just as the Mustard seed…

I just want to leave you with a couple of more thoughts…


Matthew 5:14-16....  “You are the light of the world. A city on a hill can not be hidden.  Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl.  Instead they put it on a stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way. Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven”.
You are a lamp, a carrier of the light, you carry the SON within you. You are here to bring light to the darkness. When you are prepared you will STAND up before one and all and praise His name, then the greatest of lights shall shine through your being. You are the “mother” you are the heart of the family, you are the place of creation, you are strong, wise, beautiful, a warrior. You are the female aspect of the ONE that we are. Your being within His being, your life within His blood.

 
You are the waking goddess, you are an erupting volcano, you are life, you are fire, you are innocence and purity, you are strength. You are all these things and more. HE is all these things within you. He is birthed within you as HE grows, He grows or you are fruitful when you share His spirit.

Matthew 13:33...He told them another parable “the kingdom of heaven is like yeast that the woman took and mixed with a large amount of flour until it worked all through the dough.

Yeast is the active ingredient that makes bread rise. It has to be heated then it expands just as our particles and our consciousness expands. We create heaven like we make a loaf of bread, we take the Lord as the yeast and mix HIS spirit throughout the dough by sharing HIS spirit, thus extending our spirit body, accelerating our particles. We then bake the bread in our oven, heating all the ingredients till the bread is complete. The bread of life which is the Lord. *smiles*

Women are the birthing place of the new world..


The yeast is the Mustard seed…the seed at the center of our beings...the energy…the source…the seed to the tree of life…the seedling that grows to be the biggest tree in all of the garden…Jesus is not a religion…He was a man…but also God…He experienced the life He did to create a doorway...a doorway that connects all time and space...a doorway to another place...to heaven…

When Jesus was upon the cross He said according to the bible… “it is done”....to me this means that Jesus knew that He had created this doorway through time, through dimensions, through states of being, from the physical to heaven...He  saw the beginning and the end…He saw and understood that even the ones who came before Him within the physical realm, could enter through this doorway He created...He saw as God...He saw all things... and He saw that all things take place in the same instant…it is done…all that was or will be, it is already done…we just have not experienced it yet…we are all a part of the one body...all cells within this body, interconnected... we all serve our purpose and have a function...there is a consciousness that over sees this whole mess...the spirit of Jesus…your reaching out and putting that question out there, that invitation…even though you wrote that a some time ago, I only read it yesterday for the first time...it was there waiting for me to find it...your words created a doorway for  it to happen…it then caused this result...a ripple within the ocean of our combined being...peace with you my sister…Sherry

Since we seem to be involved in discussions on looking at things from all different angles I thought it would be interesting to see what we can all add to the tossed salad of this subject. I'll place the bowl on the table and throw in a veggie for thought. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing just drawing a picture on the table, all are welcome to draw on the table as well. No dress codes apply, actually come as you are. I'm wearing sweats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden

Sending out the Invitations,

Julia

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Pure Energy,

Thank was beautiful. Thank you. I would change the name Jesus with Messiah. Just that Messiah or Christ represents that energy, while Jesus or Yeshua the man that walked upon this earth. Well in essence are one and same just that for some people it will be more clear this way.

I enjoyed reading your post, I have some questions .. but later.



love