The Garden of Eden

[Sethg]

Melody

What about this concept?

The living life forms already exist - all we are doing is bringing these life forms to the Earth vibration. There was never a time when these life forms did not exist.

Adrian

Was there a time when "god" did not exist?

[Adrian]

Hello Seth,

Was there a time when "god" did not exist?

Well time itself does not exist - at least beyond the physical Universe - only the Eternal moment of Now. So the fact that God exists is evidence that God is eternal and so therefore must we and all life be eternal as aspects of God. "

"Space" does not exist beyond the physical Universe, so the "One" must be One, and we are One with the One.

So the concepts of "before" and "after" cease to become relevant beyond the space-time continuum.

God is the Alpha and the Omega.

That is the easy answer, which probably has not answered your question 

The absolute answer is that Source, The First Cause aka God is incomprehensible, so we cannot readily know what has transpired beyond the human ability to comprehend the incomprehensible.

Even though we have access to all knowledge in the Universe, no one can truly "know" God until unity with Source takes place.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[Kailaurius]

I do not consider anything I write to be "teachings" and I do not regard myself as a "teacher".

I definitely agree with that.  The information presented in "Our Ultimate Reality" is nothing more than just information, which for myself is priceless. 

I have noticed what would appear to myself of several attempts at discrediting the information presented in these forums.  There is a part of my ego that feels a little curious as to what the purpose of discrediting any information would be.  For those who are aware they can control their reality and are not, at least to a high degree, bound by beliefs and who know the truth can be found within are not influenced by any outside accreditation as they know they can make that determination for themselves.   Pearls of wisdom and enlightenment can be found in anything.  The source from where the information originated and how the information is presented is irrelevant.  Enlightenment can be found in the Bible, OUR, Wicca, a prophet, priest, satanic cult, a dog, tree, ant, grass, grain of sand, a cloud, the wind, etc.

[Adrian]

Dear Kailaurius,

Thank you for your words of wisdom and for your kind words.

There are so many self-styled "teachers" and "gurus" around, often giving themselves mystical names and dressing in a mystical manner, that gives genuine seekers the impression that they "must" know what they are talking about.

But everyone must learn by experience, and this is all part of experience.

I am simply sharing my knowledge such as it is. I am fully prepared to discuss in rational terms everything I say or write instead of expecting people to accept it as absolute truth.

Most people intuitively recognise the truth for what it is, because it comes from a much deeper connection within. If their intuition rejects it then the person must reject it. There should be no conflicts.

There is however a fine line, as you have noted as have others, in one one hand questioning the information presented in order to seek further clarification, or on the other hand questioning the information with an ulterior motive such as to discredit either the information or the person who shared it.

You are absolutely right when you say pearls of wisdom can be found in numerous places, and there are always lessons to be learned and experience to be gained if we are open to it.

Children are among our greatest teachers, not in information, but in life itself.

The truth is everywhere:

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you, For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. : -- Matthew 7:7

Evereyone should be asking, seeking and knocking.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

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[juliainkc]

For some 're ~ son,  I am ex~pressing (letting go and re~leasing) another re~sound~ing expression (re-edited) formerly shared at the early mentionings of this post,

juliainkc
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     Re: The Garden of Eden
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2008, 10:23:45 »
 

Hello Everyone,

I had a wonderful story time this morning while sitting in my Eternal Parents lap, and I liked it so much that I wish to share it. Remember, it's just a story and sometimes in the retelling, things get lost in the translation.

Something I've learned and continue to learn in my life experience in this moment is to hold on loosely to what I may believe about anything in this moment. It is an ongoing process. I have found that when I hold tightly to a belief it stops the process of growth. In holding on loosely I do not stop the process of learning, I trust in the process and realize it is an eternal ongoing learning process. That's how big my God is. So I share something that was shown to me while sitting in my Parents lap this morning and being read a story. It is a Bible story of the Garden of Eden. Here's what I heard:

The Bible is the quintessential 'Fruit' of the Garden of Eden (Gods Innocence Paradise) or Swine to those who in arrogance deem themselves above swine or below swine. If one were to remain 'un~touched (unseparated) by it all aka Innocence) The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil would be just that. A choice. One can refuse to partake of either. 

 In our Adamic state we are reduced to dust from this knowledge because it was eaten from an attitude of rebellion. Not really wanting to Know God but to Know more than God to 'over' or 'under' (add or subtract) take or give outside of what God (Parent establishing the 'rules' or dynamics of the household or house 'held') had already established; a Self Sustaining System of Order. This act created deserters. Ones who wanted to add or undermine the Ordained System of Order. Adam and Eve wanted to kick God out of the 'house' and take over. A house that they did not build.

The Bible in essence is a magical fruit. It is a fruit with alchemical properties and is able to maintain one's eternal innocence when eaten with how it was intended to be eaten. Within Love. Wanting to more know more 'about' 'how' one's God 'operates' not more about being Intimate in Relating to and with One's God, the Source of Origin. So here we have this fruit showing up again in The Christ.  Jesus just happened to be the physical manifestation of an Enlightened Adam. He showed us how to open this fruit so we could eat it in our returned innocent state and experience it's complete benefits. Life without decay or decomposing.

Because Jesus Knew God and Knew there was more to Know about ones God, (there is no beginning or end to God), he was able to open this fruit and share its sweet contents within with all his brothers and sisters. I just keep trying to skip the opening process. I cannot access this fruit in the original Adamic state. I must return to Love of God in innocence. Complete trust. Once I eat this fruit in my True State, it releases its alchemical properties and is then transformed into the Tree of Life fruit. The fruit of Immortality. Our True State of Perfection. Now I am restored back to my Original State of Being Innocent and able to walk in the Light of the Presence of God in evolving creation. You see, Gods been waiting for me all along right here. Never left, I just threw my hands over my eyes and pretended that because it was dark behind my hands, that God could not see me. Peek a Boo!!

The Christ came to restore, set aright, align the Natural Order of God back into its rightful place. We knocked the lamp over while running outside to play.

Oh well, just doing what I always do. Talking out loud to myself. I really did like this story. I Love happy endings.

Anyone else want to share a story? We could have a campfire and huddle together and roast marshmallow,

Sending Love your way,

Julia

[wavepsychic]

Hello Melody

Hello Adrian,

Although many find your teachings essential for their spiritual progress, I cannot help but feel that it seems to be perfect for the modern “Me and I” generation with their absence of a sense of humility - a quality, in my opinion, essential for spiritual progress. The way your teachings might be taken in by individuals is to cater to their Ego, Power and Pride. And although you state that, for instance, the acquiring of Powers is not essential and might even be a deterrent for a spiritual progress, nevertheless, the constant emphasis on being Gods and all powerful, being the absolute channels of creation has nothing humble about it and has a great potential to stimulate Ego expression of many, thus really leading them away from being one with God.

Basically, I feel there is a dichotomy present in your teachings that might make many not to succeed in stated spiritual objectives: Individuals would strive to be one with God, yet might simply end up with stimulating and overstimilating their Ego quest for being all mighty and all powerful, thus defeating the objective of being one with God.

It appears to me that there are no Ego curbing techniques in your teachings, no points of  reference, of “reality checks” for those who are simply ending up with stimulating their Egos instead of actually progressing spiritually.

I would ask you to speak only for yourself. Adrian presents a collections of teachings. If not for Him I would never have been so interested in Buddhism or Taoism. In fact Adrian dedicates an entire chapter of his book to the Ego and how to bring it under control. We all are limitless beings. Adrian isn't telling us we have the power to blow up planets and stuff... instead we have an even greater power, to be happy within. Lots of people want Money, power & fame but what they really want is to be happy and even though they are envied most are not happy.

I believe you had surrendered your Dow giving powers to the Church as a child. DOW (Divine One Within). The Church says things like, give your money to god, but god doesn't need any money, they are the ones who spend it. Do you know how much a preacher makes a year Melody?

If you disagree with anything Adrian says then seek a different answer to your questions. Do not be some kind of hero for the rest of us who feel Adrian speaks Truth. It almost seems like you need attention from Adrian and this is how you are getting it.

[juliainkc]

Hello Wave,

I would ask you to speak only for yourself. Adrian presents a collections of teachings. If not for Him I would never have been so interested in Buddhism or Taoism. In fact Adrian dedicates an entire chapter of his book to the Ego and how to bring it under control. We all are limitless beings. Adrian isn't telling us we have the power to blow up planets and stuff... instead we have an even greater power, to be happy within. Lots of people want Money, power & fame but what they really want is to be happy and even though they are envied most are not happy.

I believe you had surrendered your Dow giving powers to the Church as a child. DOW (Divine One Within). The Church says things like, give your money to god, but god doesn't need any money, they are the ones who spend it. Do you know how much a preacher makes a year Melody?

If you disagree with anything Adrian says then seek a different answer to your questions. Do not be some kind of hero for the rest of us who feel Adrian speaks Truth. It almost seems like you need attention from Adrian and this is how you are getting it.

Bullseye!! I love you and your Honest Communtication. And I really resonated with your 'definition' of Dao.

Namaste.

Off to sleep now,

Sweet dreams all,

Love In Divine Spirit,

Julia

[wavepsychic]

Thank you Julia for your kind comment. I agree with a lot of stuff you say as well. Seems to me like you talk out load to others so you can listen to yourself as kind of an introspection. I do this but in reverse. I pretend to talk to others inside my head to understand my own thoughts better. There are so many people out there who just talk and do not listen to themselves. They don't Meditate or even understand why they have such thoughts and feelings. Most people in general believe that there thoughts and feels are the result of outside influences, in fact it is the other way around. I am just pretty much just ranting on.

But yes the Tao or what ever other name you want to call the Nameless is the divine inner most core of us all, our Immortal spirit. For one who does not recognize this Divine one can easier become influenced by others and lose there creative powers & even be taken advantage of. It would be unfair to say the Church takes advantage of people, it is more wise to say most people everywhere including those in the Christian/Jewish faith takes advantage of people because they have yet to understand selfless service. I can not imagine a Yogi or Buddhist wanting to take other peoples money before guiding them to Enlightenment. Unless they are selling a Material thing.. Book, Charm, Robe and so on just to attend a sitting or a Temple shouldn't cost money. I could be wrong here so if I am please correct me. There are so called retreats where people stay there and that cost money of course but to visit a Buddhist temple as far as I know it is free.

[Adrian]

Hello Wavepsychic,

I can not imagine a Yogi or Buddhist wanting to take other peoples money before guiding them to Enlightenment. Unless they are selling a Material thing.. Book, Charm, Robe and so on just to attend a sitting or a Temple shouldn't cost money. I could be wrong here so if I am please correct me. There are so called retreats where people stay there and that cost money of course but to visit a Buddhist temple as far as I know it is free.[/color]

Yes you are correct.

People often ask me why I charge for my book. The short answer is because it costs money to publish, print and distribute - everyone wants their "cut".

But there is a more fundamental reason. Because of the human dependendance on and attitude towards "money", anything that is "free" is regarded as "worthless"" or of no value.  Conversely the more it costs the better it must be and the more it is worth having.

Also, a commitment in terms of money is indicating to the Subconscious Mind a desire to learn and make progress.

All of my own books and products are "optional extras".  I freely share my knowledge such as it is with a great many people who subscribe to my newsletter, through the articles on my website, through these forums, and through the many questions and requests for help I receive and reply to through email.

There is an excellent and very accurate test of the sincerity and intentions of the multitude of people selling "products". Send them an email - if they publish an email address - asking them a question or asking for help on something not related to their products and see if they answer personally, or instead you get a canned response from a "customer services agent" who probably work in a call centre, or no reply at all.

I am continually surprised at the response I get when I personally answer emails - most are "amazed". Some say they are "honoured" but I tell them they should not feel that way because I am here to help and to stand behind what I hopefully stand for.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
 

 

[wavepsychic]

True, When things are obtained with easy they are worthless.

I am very honored that I get so much help form you. Out of everyone who has a book out or who is a Psychic Guru ext. I can't imagine someone I'd rather receive insight from more then Adrian.

On a side note I finally was able to complete the first Concentration exercise today. I meditated twice, the first time I didn't make it the second time I counted back from 100 to 0 possibly 11 times because I didn't want to miss one. I will have Telekinesis, and I will have it soon.

[Adrian]

Hello Wavepsychic,

Thank you for your kind words, but please do not feel honoured - that would imply that I am special in some way and I am not.

Concentration is absolutely fundamental to Telekinesis. Once you have completed your concentration exercises you will be ready.

But keep in Mind the other fundamental - Faith. When you move an object you must have complete Faith that it has already moved Now.

Many people make the mistake of attempting to move the object. The correct approach is to disregard where your eyes say it is, and see it where you expect it to be - and it will move accordingly. I suggest the candle flame method to start.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[wavepsychic]

Hi Adrian

Concentration is absolutely fundamental to Telekinesis. Once you have completed your concentration exercises you will be ready.

As soon as I accomplished all the exercises in that chapter I will be ready?!

Many people make the mistake of attempting to move the object. The correct approach is to disregard where your eyes say it is, and see it where you expect it to be - and it will move accordingly. I suggest the candle flame method to start.

Good Advice! I am excited, I cannot wait. May I ask about Fasting. It is wise or OK to Fast while practicing concentration? I tried to be Breatharian before & I tried to move the Chi spinner with my Chi & it did not move as much. I wonder is Fasting increases or decreases energy or don't vitality matter in this kind of PK?

[Adrian]

Hello Wavepsychic,

As soon as I accomplished all the exercises in that chapter I will be ready?!

You will know when you are ready. It is best to complete all th exercises that lead to Telekinesis first.

And also work on those crucial elements of success - Faith and Belief.

Good Advice! I am excited, I cannot wait. May I ask about Fasting. It is wise or OK to Fast while practicing concentration? I tried to be Breatharian before & I tried to move the Chi spinner with my Chi & it did not move as much. I wonder is Fasting increases or decreases energy or don't vitality matter in this kind of PK?[/color]

Fasting relates to physical Energy not the Mind. Mind Power transcends physical level Energy.

And keep in Mind that while food provided Energy at the physical level it also requires Energy to process. Meat requires a considerable amount of Energy to process - I realise you do not eat meat of course.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[juliainkc]

Hello Wave~

Thank you Julia for your kind comment. I agree with a lot of stuff you say as well. Seems to me like you talk out load to others so you can listen to yourself as kind of an introspection. I do this but in reverse. I pretend to talk to others inside my head to understand my own thoughts better. There are so many people out there who just talk and do not listen to themselves. They don't Meditate or even understand why they have such thoughts and feelings. Most people in general believe that there thoughts and feels are the result of outside influences, in fact it is the other way around. I am just pretty much just ranting on.

Actually, I too use to talk inside my head, alot. Talking head. I was given the idea to write these thoughts down. Through the exercise of stream writing I was made aware of just what was streaming through especially when I read 'back' what I had written 6 months, 1 year and more afterward.

This made me more aware of Being in the moment and paying attention to 'who' was doing the talking and noticing the Energy of what was being experienced by this Being awareness. I became quite reclusive as I could not focus on my own growth by being constantly bombarded on all sides. People like to talk to me. This caused 'rifts' and misunderstanding in my 'friendships' and other relationships.

After Being taken into seclusion, I was Being prompted to 'breathe' out (share the Love) and it was affirmed by the outer picture in 'other' aspects of myself showing up and speaking 'out loud' what I was Being spoken to within. Over and over again, Julia, you must share this...Hmm...that is how it has worked for me and 'others' it seems.
 

But yes the Tao or what ever other name you want to call the Nameless is the divine inner most core of us all, our Immortal spirit. For one who does not recognize this Divine one can easier become influenced by others and lose there creative powers & even be taken advantage of.

I am agreeing with you here. This is what led to my seclusion. And I will say it has happened or occured more than once in my life experience so far. I now trust the leading when I Am Being called 'aside'.

 

It would be unfair to say the Church takes advantage of people, it is more wise to say most people everywhere including those in the Christian/Jewish faith takes advantage of people because they have yet to understand selfless service. I can not imagine a Yogi or Buddhist wanting to take other peoples money before guiding them to Enlightenment. Unless they are selling a Material thing.. Book, Charm, Robe and so on just to attend a sitting or a Temple shouldn't cost money. I could be wrong here so if I am please correct me. There are so called retreats where people stay there and that cost money of course but to visit a Buddhist temple as far as I know it is free.[/color]

Yes. What is the 'motive' behind the 'Asking'? Benefit for self or for the Highest Benefit of All. One can as an Energy Being express out loud a desire to express this Energy and the 'right' people (Energy Beings) will show up and share 'equal' Energy in exchange for the Energy they are radiating.


Seems to Be this way to me.


InJoy this day, Love In Divine Spirit,


Julia

[wavepsychic]

Hi Adrian and Julia, thank you for spending so much time here, I enjoy learning and growing with you both.

And keep in Mind that while food provided Energy at the physical level it also requires Energy to process. Meat requires a considerable amount of Energy to process - I realise you do not eat meat of course.

Can you be more specific as to what kind of energy is needed to process foods that shouldn't be eaten or any food at all? I would think it would be Physical energy but it doesn't make much sense if food gives you this kind of energy.

You remembered I'm a Vegetarian. Two years now because you caused me to see the light! Although I am a Vegan on some days (I include fasting days as Vegan as well, lol) I can not call myself a Vegan because I still eat some forms of Dairy.

through the exercise of stream writing I was made aware of just what was streaming through especially when I read 'back' what I had written 6 months, 1 year and more afterward.

This made me more aware of Being in the moment and paying attention to 'who' was doing the talking and noticing the Energy of what was being experienced by this Being awareness.

That is a really good idea, but no thanks I am to lazy.