The Garden of Eden

[Adrian]

Hello Wavepsychic,

Can you be more specific as to what kind of energy is needed to process foods that shouldn't be eaten or any food at all?

The Energy required is for the digestion process. Meat requires considerable Energy to break down in to a form that can be used, the reason being that the human digestive system is not designed to process meat.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[Talker]

Melody

What about this concept?

The living life forms already exist - all we are doing is bringing these life forms to the Earth vibration. There was never a time when these life forms did not exist.

Adrian

Was there a time when "god" did not exist?

Hello Seth and All,

Ah yes, the curious mind of humans at work. Your question of:

Was there a time when "god" did not exist?,

took me back some seven decades or so memory wise. There I was sitting in a front pew of the church with others of the class. We were there to display our knowledge and retention of our religious class training to high ranking church officials. St Boniface church was celebrating some event (don't recall the what of that event) and this class was to show these officials how far advanced we were along the training path. After one official had finished 'asking' various test type questions, he inquired of us 'are there any questions?'. Picture this now, a high ranking church official, must have been an Archbishop, as the tall colored head wear indicated (now) he was an authority of some consequence. There was the normal background sounds of a large audience. Up went my hand. So this imposing figure inquired as to what was my question. 'Who made God' was what I had asked. Dead silence filled the church, that I recall as if it had just happened. Next was the nuns voice whispering in my ear, 'we don't ask about things like that'. This imposing figure, after a momentary pause stated ' That is not for us to question'. After the church ceremony was over and we all were back in the school classroom ( a mandatory process), I was singled out for a very severe lecture about my behavior in asking that question. Did and have long sought an answer to that question. The closest and most logical theory to me was read in the material I'm listing here. This new found God theory perhaps resonated with me due to my electricity and electronic training. Made sense, even while leaving more unanswered questions.
Be Well

http://thetalker.org/archives/161/20-bending-god-and-free-audio-downloads/

http://www.navigatorhandbook.com/

http://www.navigatorhandbook.com/news/free-e-book-release.html

[Adrian]

Dear Talker,

Thank you very much for sharing this - I can picture the scene now

It takes me back to when I first stated that I did not believe in the Christian God when I was 8 years old. My school was a small village school - 3 class rooms and about 50 students - and the class was being taught by the minister of the local church. That certainly caused some consternation

These days I have fun with these religious representatives that turn up on the doorstep in pairs to sell their brand of religion. I am very polite abd understanding as well as respectful, but a few well chosen questions soon cause them to realise they are not going to succeed with me

Questins such as yours at that age show a level of inner awareness that not many share.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[Sethg]

Talker

Thanks for the interesting perspective. The vacuum effect creating energy. Well?

Like you say questions?

Ya know I was reading that and I said to myself "why do I care about this?"

What difference can it make to me or my understanding of anything.

It's maybe a fun mental exercise but that's all it is a mental game and mental games
for me are just that, a game. I guess that's what the human brain loves to do. It's like any
verbal communication or discussion on any concept, we seem to feel the need to satisfying the
mind's need to categorize, label and "make sense" of things.

The human mind loves to have the answers. Is there really answers? Why
do we feel the need for them? The mind begs for a timeline and a "how to" process
to be satisfied, which as the questions get more abstract, the harder it is to do.

And the wisdom of the enlightened child who dares to ask the tough questions get brushed aside
because there is no answer that will satisfy.

We keep asking. I guess we just love the game huh?

Will we get to the point where we quit asking or feel the need to have the answers?

I say yes.

Musing
Seth
Yes the info you offered is very interesting and like you say makes sense. The funny part for me
is the need to ask and the need for an answer. 
 

[zensunni7]

Hello Sethg,

Yes, we reach the point that we say - enough already.

I do love to learn new things though. I revel in the new dimensions of sciences ability to see deeper into our biology and farther into the Universe. I spend many hours reading and watching video's of all this.
But as for spiritual books and such, I have had my fill. Being brought to the realization that I was spending my life learning how to live it, and thusly not living it at all.
Like the observer - they miss the point of their own life in the observation of others.

A dear friend of mine just recently wrote a book on spirituality, and she was very happy - yet when I read it I was left with the feeling " how many times can we keep writing the same things? "
I read all this over thirty years ago.

Yes - there comes a time when we just need to get out there and feel it all and not care how - why - or if it is correct or not.

WithIN Love
Darrell

[Adrian]

Dear Darrell,

You are so correct.

The main objective of my own book is not do much to inform, but rather to form the basis upon which the reader can pursue their own development. This is why one of the first subjects I dealt with was that of religion, specifically to show that all religions, and indeed science which is a form of religion has a basis in fact, and all carry the same thread of truth.

It is also why I concluded my book with the advice that although my book contains my truth, of which I have not the slightest doubt, it is still for the reader to accept that which they intuitively feel is true and discard the rest.

Ultimately we all have access to the truth - it is within us all if only people would take the time to focus away from the physical world and instead to focus within.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[zensunni7]

Dear Adrian,
Yes - yes. Your book is a wonderful marriage of spiritual truths and science, as we are also.
Your book wasn't anything I didn't already know, but more of a refresher course for me and a refreshing read. It navigates through the bull I had to sift through over the years and will an excellent intro to those that are just beginning this insight into themselves.

There is so much diluted information out there and wanna - be gurus that someone just beginning can get more lost than when they began to question, tis sad really.
But as you say, the journey takes us back to ourselves every time.
But I am glad to know your book is out there for everyone, and have recommended it to many.

The new sciences only offer validation and deeper vision of what has always been known.

WithIn Love
Darrell

[Sethg]

Great point Darrell

I have had similar feelings myself. The message is the same just said in different ways.

I said this to myself in 2003 after devouring anything I could get my hands on. It was enough.

Yes - there comes a time when we just need to get out there and feel it all and not care how - why - or if it is correct or not.

This is exactly what I was saying only you put it in one sentence just perfectly. And what is correct?
It is always subjective and all that matters is what is "right" for each of us.

"Learning instead of living" I think it follows with the harmonizing of our aspects of self, when the mind
relinquishes it grip on constantly "needing" to have the answers.

And then when the whole concept of "need" for every part of life just fades away.

And as you say Adrian, taking our focus away from the illusions of the physical world.

Great stuff gents

Seth

[Talker]

Talker

Thanks for the interesting perspective. The vacuum effect creating energy. Well?
Like you say questions?
Ya know I was reading that and I said to myself "why do I care about this?"
What difference can it make to me or my understanding of anything.
It's maybe a fun mental exercise but that's all it is a mental game and mental games
for me are just that, a game. I guess that's what the human brain loves to do. It's like any verbal communication or discussion on any concept, we seem to feel the need to satisfying the mind's need to categorize, label and "make sense" of things.
The human mind loves to have the answers. Is there really answers? Why
do we feel the need for them? The mind begs for a timeline and a "how to" process
to be satisfied, which as the questions get more abstract, the harder it is to do.
And the wisdom of the enlightened child who dares to ask the tough questions get brushed aside because there is no answer that will satisfy.
We keep asking. I guess we just love the game huh?
Will we get to the point where we quit asking or feel the need to have the answers?
I say yes.
Musing
Seth
Yes the info you offered is very interesting and like you say makes sense. The funny part for me is the need to ask and the need for an answer. 

Hello Seth and All,

A few years back I posted a listing of ten topics that was based on mind interests, that were on the front burner at all times. There are only the 'listings' in that first post:

http://thetalker.org/archives/128/1-things-i-think-about/

I had questioned the 'why' of a post with only ten categories shown. Nothing else was included in that specific # 1, first post, in that titled blog. Perhaps a 'check point' so to speak, of how ones mind and interests follows cyclic patterns,was one thought. Another thought was showing that all of ones life experiences are merely stepping stones, all leading to one focal point, and a block. The blocks were at first confusing, with no apparent answers surfacing. During mind trips into other interests, up would pop an answer to some other block, seemingly totally unrelated. Like you've stated, it became a sort of 'game' in finding areas that provided answers to blocks in other areas. Removal of a block was no solace, when a bit further along the way another block would show up. So it became a life trip of experiencing, questioning, question, and yes, a block. Seek answers elsewhere, or go nuts with wondering about the 'what of it'.  Surprisingly one can find 'answers' to what was a stumbling block in another area, unrelated to what is the current theme one is with. Did find as some have already mentioned here, that one starts to question the rhyme and reason of it all. It all starts sounding the same, but reworked with different words, giving the 'same old, same old'. and you got it, at least it was so for me ' another block' but now its a block for ALL of it. Let it all 'jell' for awhile. Than 'normal insanity' returns, little by little. Seems that it all boils down to tracing the start of what we call God in our life. During my many trips into 'how did God start' and the many seeming blocks, another thought pops in. Just enjoy the experience, knowing that God and I, AND all of us, are 'ONE'.  So here we, are or at least I am, just ex perincing this beautiful thing called life. Guess I've validated my second dads saying of 'the more we learn, the less we know'. Took awhile to fully understand that saying.
More questions! Get in line with me. Just making an effort to understand it all.
Be Well

[Sethg]

Talker

I laughed a few times in your response

"normal insanity" I like that one. Love your list
of 10 things. pretty similar to mine.

I subscribed to your blog. I thought I did last visit but I guess not.

I'll be watching you Talker

See which one of the ten you talk about next.

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Talker, Adrian, Sethg, Darrell and All ~

I am enjoying the conversation here. Just sitting at the round table with my brothers talking amongst themselves and pointing and grunting. Will you pass the...moments of exchange. They are continuing their discussion whilst passing the drink and snacks around.

I picture the Butterfly and cocoon story I heard years back. Each 'struggle' is strengthening the wings for flight. The process cannot be rushed. Our truth is always within us and I can change at any moment when I decide for myself that I Am ready to fly...

Off to wander... bells on toes, hearing a jingle from of all things a '70's Coca Cola commercial.

I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony...hmm..hmm...grow apple trees and honey bees...hmm..hmm... 

Love you guys,

Julia

[wavepsychic]

Hello Everyone,

This forum is dead and also Melody's grave sight. Not that she isn't alive and well. I reread the last post of Melody. The Fact plain and simple.

Adrian is Pantheistic, we all are!

Melody didn't like it, but no one said she had to be.  None the less I guess Melody is done here.

[Adrian]

Hello Wavepsychic,

What do you mean "this forum is dead" - it looks alive and well to me

If you are wondering where I am gone I am busy on a major project which I know everyone here will be very interested in.

But when I say "major" I mean major - even by my standards

In the meantime you can talk among yourselves - I am not the forum.

Of course I visit regularly and will participate time permitting.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[wavepsychic]

Hello Wavepsychic,

What do you mean "this forum is dead" - it looks alive and well to me

If you are wondering where I am gone I am busy on a major project which I know everyone here will be very interested in.

But when I say "major" I mean major - even by my standards

In the meantime you can talk among yourselves - I am not the forum.

Of course I visit regularly and will participate time permitting.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

Looking forward to it!

[Freedom]

Hello Everyone,

This forum is dead and also Melody's grave sight. Not that she isn't alive and well. I reread the last post of Melody. The Fact plain and simple.

Adrian is Pantheistic, we all are!

Melody didn't like it, but no one said she had to be.  None the less I guess Melody is done here.

Hi Wave, I guess u miss Melody a lot.    I am sure she will be back.
And we have Adrian's new stuff to look forward to.



I think you might like to give some attention to what Darell said:

"Yes - there comes a time when we just need to get out there and feel it all and not care how - why - or if it is correct or not.

WithIN Love
Darrell "


Does anyone remember this poem we used to quote when we were kids.? This is the best of my remembrance of it.

"The more you know, the more you forget,
the more you forget, the less you know,
the less you know, the less you forget
The less you forget, the more you know,
So, lets be happy!

I think I have got it right. Anyone, correct me if I haven't.
 
It is this thread that reminded me of this, and I think it may have some worth, lol, after all this time!!!


PS, I forgot to mention I hav only read tis last page of this thread, so I will go and start at the beginning.  I hope I ahvent gone over the top of other subjects.
anyway bless you all