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« Reply #90 on: August 21, 2008, 23:28:58 »

Thankyou to all

And for my two cents worth ... I have been quietly observing this discussion, and its quite amazing how in reflection, how powerful the written word (written word in reference to these posts) can be. There are so many "wow" and "ahh" moments in here, that provoke varing emotional feelings, and I thank you all for sharing.

In particular, I want to acknowledge Julia, for bringing 'rememberance' to my being, in relation to the "home run she scored in the bottom of the 9th ... knocked it out of the park", delivery on Love.

[quote1 Corinthians 13

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 1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,  but have not love, I gain nothing.
 4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
 8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
 13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
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Even though I may have read and heard this scripture before, it resonated so well ... in helping ME REMEMBER, to STOP and CHECK myself, with whom ever, when and where ever I may be in communication with a fellow "being", to do so in the SPIRIT OF LOVE. And its so "human" that ego, rears its ugly head, and in choosing to place ATTENTION to INTENTION, I too can realise the feeling of giving and receiving love!

Ok... I just had a quick thought ... we as spiritual beings having a human experience, communicate in so many levels other than words, but I just for a glimpse now imagined how beautiful it must be, as spiritual beings, who communicate in thought 'packages', bit like telepathy, but more than that ... imagine just for a sec ... receiving a big package of LOVE. (Another WOW moment). And now imagine receiving a big package of EGO. (Blah).

Thanks for ther REMEMBRANCE ... Namaste

Ara
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« Reply #91 on: August 22, 2008, 12:37:03 »

Good Day Talker, Ara and All, smiley

Talker, thank you for your genuine and honest heartfelt sharing. What more can be said? smiley


Ara, thank you for sharing a wonderful laugh;


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In particular, I want to acknowledge Julia, for bringing 'rememberance' to my being, in relation to the "home run she scored in the bottom of the 9th ... knocked it out of the park", delivery on Love.


We are all in this together and serve as reminders of remembrance to one another to choose our Highest Attribute and Nature. I appreciate you and your loving thoughts.


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Ok... I just had a quick thought ... we as spiritual beings having a human experience, communicate in so many levels other than words, but I just for a glimpse now imagined how beautiful it must be, as spiritual beings, who communicate in thought 'packages', bit like telepathy, but more than that ... imagine just for a sec ... receiving a big package of LOVE. (Another WOW moment). And now imagine receiving a big package of EGO. (Blah).

Thanks for ther REMEMBRANCE ... Namaste

Ara


How interesting that you would say it this way. I call it Love in a Box Via God expressing as...in this case Ara.

Namaste Ara and Talker and All, Many Blessings, Be Well, And InJoy this day Being your own unique expression of God,

Love In Divine Spirit,

Julia


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« Reply #92 on: August 22, 2008, 23:32:41 »

Thank you Adrian, what you said makes way more sense then Christianity itself. I see the same thing happening with "Scientology" today where people try to get rich off peoples beliefs by promising happiness for money.

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In one word - agenda.

Christianity was created by Constantine and his associates to replace paganism - from which Christianity was derived - at a time when the Roman Empire was failing, and needed an alternative way of controlling the masses through fear and guilt.  The Roman Empire still lives on through the Roman Catholic Church with the Vatican as its power base. If you think about it - the version of Christianity with the same name is all about fear of being sent to "purgatory" upon "death", being "saved", and guilt instilled by "confession" and atonements of various types.

So to that sect of Christianity, Lucifer is the big stick that keeps the congregation "faithful".

Buddhism of course is an enlightened culture who have metaphors such as Lucifer or their equivalent in a proper context.

In Love and Light,

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« Reply #93 on: August 23, 2008, 11:33:48 »


It is said that Christians upon passing will find himself in a realm of a believe system. And since it will be an astral plane where all wishes are being answered, they will think they had entered Heaven, the eternal Garden of Eden, and will be stuck in this astral plane without knowing it, with no means of any further progress.

Maybe one can refer to Christian’s faith as a believe system, but the fact is Christians believe and trust God, and seek communion with him. They try to attune themselves to God and to his will = to his teachings = to his way of being. Therefore, even if they end up at some plane according to their “ believe” system,  which most likely would be not a high but some intermediate plane,  they would nevertheless be still relying on God = attuning themselves to him. Being ardent believes in God, they would always seek to be close to God - to be attuned with God - regardless of the plane they will find themselves in. And this attunement will cause them, I think, not to be stuck at any particular plane but to continuer their progress as they seek closeness with God, thus being led to higher planes.

Even in the Earthly plane the apparently mistaken suppositions are made known to many, and that will continuer happening at any plane, whatever a person might believe at first where he finds himself, especially if a person will continue his attunement with God, and with the Love and Power that is God.

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« Reply #94 on: August 23, 2008, 13:30:57 »

Hello Melody,

I am not exactly sure of the point you are making here, but I will in any case comment on what I think you are saying.

What you say may be true as far as it goes, but a Christian nevertheless perceives God to be an external deity, referred to, as you do, as "him", "he", "his teachings" and so on, and as "some benevolent deity to be "worshipped", "praised", pleaded with etc, as well as feared.

So this "belief" and "faith" that forms the basis of the Christian religion, is actually duality based between some un-knowable, God and his "subjects" that started with Adam and Eve.

Now I fully respect the right of people to believe what they please of their own freewill, but in the context of your post, this duality based belief is a vibration that will take them to a corresponding vibration within the Astral planes.

It is impossible to truly know God through prayer, songs of praise, attending church etc. The only way to know God is through inner experience - through inner realisation, that we and God are One.

A theological approach to God can never result in enduring progress in any plane. Any progress will be based on the fact that in striving to follow Jesus as a role model, they might become a less selfish, more loving, more giving person. 

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

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« Reply #95 on: August 23, 2008, 13:53:20 »

Hello All, cool

I am respecting you Melody and your statement of not being able to 'receive' from me. However, I feel led to respond to your post because I did not make this statement to you in kind.wink I said I would allow you the right to be right in your own way of thinking. wink Not the same thing. smiley I wish to highlight and perhaps bold your own statements here.

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I is said said that Christians upon passing will find himself in a realm of a believe system. And since it will be an astral plane where all wishes are being answered, they will think they had entered Heaven, the eternal Garden of Eden, and will be stuck in this astral plane without knowing it, with no means of any further progress.

What would 'happen' to this statement if the word Christian is removed? And replaced with Once upon passing One...

Do you find a (an 'aspect / a~part (separation of you)yourself in this statement? This is based on your momentary knowing here. I am not getting on you. If you and I were sitting here communing Melody, I would be communing with you in Spirit Energy not physical judgment. Truth. I would be asking you to consider what your 'thinking', does your thinking apply to yourself? 'Ones Truth' applies to all. We forget this.


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Maybe one can refer to Christian’s faith as a believe system, but the fact is Christians believe and trust God, and seek communion with him. They try to attune themselves to God and to his will = to his teachings = to his way of being. Therefore, even if they end up at some plane according to their believe” system,  which most likely would be not a high but some intermediate plane,  they would nevertheless be still relying on God = attuning themselves to him. Being ardent believes in God, they would always seek to be close to God - to be attuned with God - regardless of the plane they will find themselves in. And this attunement will cause them, I think, not to be stuck at any particular plane but to continuer their progress as they seek closeness with God, thus being led to higher planes.

This is true for all (all = aspects. wink Which part of yourself are you  for? (pro aka For)~'jecting' (leaving your or my imprints (getting one hands on or around)  (impressions) on?. You see take the word 'Christian' out of the equation. This was being shared before the word 'Christian' ever existed. Jesus wasn't Christian. Jesus was Source InSpirit expressing in physical form as we all are. Inspired by 'his' (Unconditionally Loving) Parent or 'father' as the use of the word is used based on a gender application. A masculine definition which contains all aspects of all genders or no gender. There really is no gender. Parent is closer to the meaning as in All containing. Holy Spirit (Whole Spirit = One Spirit) looks at their expressions of Uniting in Love. The parent has the same intention or purpose. To Love the 'results' of the Union.

Even in the Earthly plane the apparently mistaken suppositions are made known to many, and that will continuer happening at any plane, whatever a person might believe at first where he finds himself, especially if a person will continue his attunement with God, and with the Love and Power that is God.[/quote]

As you think so you are. You are revealing your own thoughts here. I am sharing this with you by sharing as I have mentioned to you Melody before. I have walked in this thinking process along with you before.

I am expressing from moving beyond this point. That's all. Not to argue or defend. I desire for you and all what I desire for myself. To know without a dount aka Trust. You are complete in this moment. It just takes accepting this.

In 'A Course In Miracels' it is called the Holy Instant (Enlightenment) which comes from the Holy Union.

It take only the 'will'~ing~ness to apply 'this' to 1 instance or in this case 1 relationship to have this become the foundation for all relationships. We have it backwards. We think like the boy plugging the dam.

Plug your dam with God and All other relationships are made Whole and Complete.

Lots more can be shared here. But I leave this to your own being 'open' to relating to your Source of incoming Inspiration.

As to 'Gods (Ego is Legion wink)Will'. There is only one. That All of Gods Children would come inside and can we get on with dinner? Where is Jesus? Where is Buddha? Where is Mohammed? There chair is empty and we will not proceed until All are seated. We are waiting for all of family to be home for dinner.

The kingdom of Heaven is for All. That is where All are from. No one is excluded unless (by ones own choice)they allow themselves to 'sleep' in late. (Who de-cides for you? hmm...?)

Food for thought,

I do Love you Melody whether you choose to acknowledge this or not. Lay the Bible banging down. And take your rightful place.


I say this with Love In Divine Spirit, Peace my Beloved Sister, InJoy this day,


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« Reply #96 on: August 23, 2008, 15:39:38 »

Hello Adrian,

To refer to God as He is only a tradition. God is the ultimate creator of everything there is, including us. And the majority of Christians understand this.

The fact remains, we did not create ourselves. God - the Universal consciousness created us, as it is creating millions of other living life forms within this magnificent Universe. Not only have we not created ourselves, we have absolutely no know-how how to create any of the life forms except for giving birth to children, a function not designed by us either. And although we can realize God within, we still will not be able, at least not at this level where we are right now, to create even a fly out of nothing. Mind you, maybe we can create some microbes in a tube according to the DNA video posted recently in the forum, but did we really create them, or only supplied the environment so they can be created by a principle designed by God that we have no understanding of? Even if some mystics can make a tree grow very fast from a seed, they still have not created this life-form, only rearranged somehow the energy supply to that plant.

I am not really sure why you consider that a person cannot attain a sense of oneness with God through prayer. Many Christians do and the vivid examples are Christian saints who did just that. A prayer is a sort of a meditation. When not recited mechanically, it creates a sense of oneness with God and everything there is.

Many people who meditate have a special meditation room, or a corner of the room set just for practicing of meditation, and this fact of designating a separate space helps in deepening the meditative experience, and establishing a feeling of peace within, creating an experience of communing with the Universal Mind, with God. Many people also go to Ashrams to meditate, and find it is easier to meditate in such places away from everyday tasks and worries. The church serves exactly the same purpose. But you are absolutely right that the mechanical church going and prayer recitation, in the same way as a mechanical mantra repetition would have very little effect.

I am not really sure what you call theology, or theological. The way you use this word sounds like it is something bad. Does anybody who opens their mouth and says anything about the Bible is speaking theology? Am I speaking theology by stating it is so far only the God’s privilege to create living forms  or provide the function by which they are created, and that as much as we try we just cannot do it, and therefore non us is God in that regard? Maybe we had this function once upon the time. Maybe it was when we were  at some higher plane at some mythological  Garden of Eden. And maybe we just lost it when we misaligned ourselves from the Universal creative Power, with God.

Are we ever going to have the ability of creating life forms? Is this what being God is all about? Then non of the people who claim to have realized God within can claim to be Gods, because they cannot formulate the functions and principles by which living forms are created. They can provide an environment, they can speed up or stop the processes, they can modify to a certain degree as with DNA modification, yet they cannot supply the original life principle..

And since this is the case, than let us not claim that somebody is more God-realized than the other because that other goes to a church, and that Christians with their theology have no chance to realize God within. Because by realizing God within we do not mean of acquiring the ability of creating life forms, but simply creating a feeling of oneness with God, and a sense of communion with the Ultimate Creator, and a sense of the Universal Love. And that feeling can be achieved by many means, and even through prayer and church going, and even through listening to a “theological” discourse by a priest, or listening to classical or church music, or simply watching the clouds or listening to a bird's song.  All of those are just external trigger points. People react to different triggers, and it does not really matter which trigger a person is using to achieve the inner Peace, Love, and the feeling of Oneness with God. Regardless of whether one is using OUR, Bible, Koran, or Buddhist texts, the real job still has to be done within. It is not those texts that would do it for you. Ultimately, the written words do not matter, it is the feeling that one can master inside, sometimes triggered by those words, sometimes triggered by something other than words.

I would like to congratulate you for writting a book - Our Ultimate Reality - that is the appropriate triger for many modern people and it works for them to make them want to seek the realization of God within, whereas the more traditional triggers, or those of music or nature do not work for them.
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« Reply #97 on: August 23, 2008, 16:21:09 »


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« Reply #98 on: August 23, 2008, 16:56:36 »

I experience communion with God on a daily and ongoing basis. I acknowledge Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He bore my sins in His body when He suffered and died. When I go into my secret place to pray, I can't really describe what takes place. Whether it is a place I go, or knowledge and awareness that consciously grows within, or perhaps both. This very day I was feeling sick until I entered the secret place of communion with God. I experienced a knowing and an awareness of my being One spirit with the Lord and in the span of seconds I was healed. To "know" the Lord is not a theological supposition, but an experiential knowledge that fills my heart and mind and body.
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« Reply #99 on: August 23, 2008, 16:59:16 »

Hello Melody,


To refer to God as He is only a tradition. God is the ultimate creator of everything there is, including us. And the majority of Christians understand this.


I am sure we agree on this. However - theology places God above creation - in other words as if God is the original Supreme Creator, and when God created the Earth and the Universe God was "above" it.

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The fact remains, we did not create ourselves. God - the Universal consciousness created us, as it is creating millions of other living life forms within this magnificent Universe.

"Create" is a rather ambiguous word in this context. God actually sent forth aspects of God's Self in the form of Consciousness. Even then there was never a moment when we did not exist, because in the Eternal Moment of Now it is erroneous to speak in terms of ""before" and "after".

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Not only have we not created ourselves, we have absolutely no know-how how to create any of the life forms except for giving birth to children, a function not designed by us either.

The physical body of a baby is not life - the Soul and Spirit that animates the baby is Life in that context.

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And although we can realize God within, we still will not be able, at least not at this level where we are right now, to create even a fly out of nothing.

All creation is "with God", but as aspects God we are expressions of that Creative force.

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Mind you, maybe we can create some microbes in a tube according to the DNA video posted recently in the forum, but did we really create them, or only supplied the environment so they can be created by a principle designed by God that we have no understanding of?

The video did not claim the scientists created the single and multi-celled organisms. In fact the point of the video is that they did not. The point is that Life is a fundamental characteristic of the Universe.  The experiment provided the controlled conditions for that life to manifest from nothing, thus demonstrating that Life can the starting point of life can exist anywhere in the Universe without any "freak" conditions prevailing.

The hypothesis in the video also demonstrates what could happen to humans on 21 December 2012.

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Even if some mystics can make a tree grow very fast from a seed, they still have not created this lifeform, only rearranged somehow the energy supply to that plant.

The Swamis do not claim to have created it. They simply caused it to grow extremely rapidly. How this happens they would not know, or would need to.

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I am not really sure why you consider that a person cannot attain a sense of oneness with God through prayer. Many Christians do and the vivid examples are Christian saints who did just that. A prayer is a sort of a meditation. When not recited mechanically, it creates a sense of oneness with God and everything there is.

Yes I agree. True prayer, which I have written about before, is indeed invoking inner forcesand ultimately God. But the words are relatively meaningless, it is the feelings and connection with God that is the important thing. The words invoke the feelings which in turn invokes the end result.

Most prayer though is words and words alone.

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Many people who meditate have a special meditation room, or a corner of the room set just for practicing of meditation, and this fact of designating a separate space helps in deepening the meditative experience, and establishing a feeling of peace within, creating an experience of communing with the Universal Mind, with God. Many people also go to Ashrams to meditate, and find it is easier to meditate in such places away from everyday tasks and worries. The church serves exactly the same purpose. But you are absolutely right that the mechanical church going and prayer recitation, in the same way as a mechanical mantra repetition would have very little effect.

I do not see churches as a place of meditation. They are, according to religion, a place of "worship". I am sure it would be possible to achieve a meditative state if completely alone however.

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I am not really sure what you call theology, or theological. The way you use this word sounds like it is something bad.

Religion is theology - or the philosophy of religion.  It is not "bad"  - nothing is "bad" or "good" - it simply Is.

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Does anybody who opens their mouth and says anything about the Bible is speaking theology?

Often yes. But not in my case and of course others who see beyond theology to the inner meaning of the Bible.

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Am I speaking theology by stating it is so far only the God’s privilege to create living forms 

Yes because you are speaking of God in the third person.

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or provide the function by which they are created, and that as much as we try we just cannot do it, and therefore non us is God in that regard?

We most certainly are God. Just because people have not realised God does not make it any less true. As we progress we become more and more powerful creators until finally we are the perfect Creator.

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Maybe we had this function once upon the time. Maybe it was when we were at some higher plane at some mythological Garden of Eden. And maybe we just lost it when we misaligned ourselves from the Universal creative Power, with God.

Incarnate humans never had these powers. Earth is the starting point of the return journey. That said - humans on Earth have lost many great powers and failed to evolve in the process.

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Are we ever going to have the ability of creating life forms?

We already do - as God.

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Is this what being God is all about?

God is infinitely more than that.

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Then non of the people who claim to have realized God within can claim to be Gods, because they cannot formulate the functions and principles by which living forms are created. They can provide an environment, they can speed up or stop the processes, they can modify to a certain degree as with DNA modification, yet they cannot supply the original life principle..

Full God-realisation is an evolving process. When I speak of being "God-realised" I mean to the extent a human can be God-realised on Earth. Then we evolve and move on to greater levels of God-realisation. But as God-realised humans on Earth we can still create to the maximum extent as humans within that sphere of realisation.

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And since this is the case, than let us not claim that somebody is more God-realized than the other because that other goes to a church, and that Christians with their theology have no chance to realize God within.

We can say that because it is true - not only that it is a primary reason that humans incarnate on Earth in the first place. Everyone is God realised to some extent otherwise they would not exist. What we are talking about is Conscious God-Realization.

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Because by realizing God within we do not mean of acquiring the ability of creating life forms, but simply creating a feeling of oneness with God, and a sense of communion with the Ultimate Creator, and a sense of the Universal Love.

The living life forms already exist - all we are doing is bringing these life forms to the Earth vibration. There was never a time when these life forms did not exist.

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And that feeling can be achieved by many means, and even through prayer and church going, and even through listening to a theological discourse by a priest, or listening to classical or church music. 

It is not a "feeling" it is a state of Being - although of course there are feelings associated with it.

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All of those are just external trigger points, People react to different triggers, and it does not really matter which trigger a person is using to achieve the inner Peace, Love, and the feeling of Oneness with God. Regardless of whether one is using OUR, Bible, Koran, or Buddhist texts, the real job still has to be done within. It is not those texts that would do it for you.

Many of these texts contain the "code" for God-realisation certainly - but not if read theologically.

The Lord's Prayer for example is extremely powerful, but not if recited mechanically.

You see when people say the Lords Prayer or sing hymns, or repeat verses from the Bible, they might as well be reading from the latest Harry Potter book Smiley Words alone have no power. They have power when the inner feelings associated with them are invoked. And I do not mean the feel good factor or anything on that level, I mean feelings and realisation on a much deeper level, and there are no words existing that can describe it.

That is why I say that God-realisation is a state of Being.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
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« Reply #100 on: August 24, 2008, 02:20:44 »

Adrian you are the most wise. Melody, you seem to understand the Creator more not as the oneness but more of a man outside of yourself. It is true that some Christians know the creator to be everything they still think of HIM as outside of themselves. If anything the creator is more of a woman, the mother of all things. I was taught as a child that God is a Man outside of us and so much better then us. No one who thinks this way is Enlightened! You seem to be half in the door of Spirituality & being tugged on by ropes of Religion.
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« Reply #101 on: August 24, 2008, 03:32:45 »

Dear Wavepsychic,

You do raise a very good and fundamental point, and that is the use of words such as "Him" and "He" in reference to God.

Even "Father" is not strictly correct.

"Him" and "He" imply an external Being plain and simple.

Even the word "God" implies an external Being although I use the word God because it is widely understood to mean the Ultimate Source of our Being.

So I use the word "Source", as the Source of our Being, Power, Creativity etc.

The word "Father" is totally erroneous and the Source of much misery.

People have come to believe that their external deity is male, which has led to much discrimination against females as if theu are inferior or unworthy in some way. This applies to Islam as well as Christianity. This is why orthodox religions will not allow female ministers, believing it to be an insult to this external God.  In some religions this erroneous concept has been taken much further to imply that all females are inferior, and exist only for convenience, which is reflected in the way they are treated.

I am sure the cause of this misunderstanding is the biblical statement that "we are made in the image of God"

In Genesis 1:26 we find: "Let us make man in our image"

Well clearly "man" means "mankind" or "humanity" - it is not a reference to gender.

More specifically the statement reads "in our image" - it does not say "my image", thereby confirming that "we" created" humans as God.

If we look at Genesis 5 we see:

"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."

We can note two things here in particular.

It is clearly stated that Male and Female were created in the likeness of God.

But most notably - "and called their name Adam".

The statement is not saying the male was called "Adam" but rather both male and female were called Adam.

This is because Adam is not a person, but rather represents the origins of the human being. We see this in the Kabbalah where Adam is actually "Adam Kadmon" - primordial human being and channel of creation.

"Gender" exists for one purpose only - as organic life forms at this level, a male and female are required to perpetuate our species. Aside from that there is zero difference, and at the level that matters, Soul and Spirit there is no difference at all.

The Higher Self sends representatives to Earth as both male and female, as well as every race in every time-line relative to the human concept of "time".

In Love and Light,

Adrian.



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« Reply #102 on: August 24, 2008, 10:30:08 »


Hello Adrian,

Although many find your teachings essential for their spiritual progress, I cannot help but feel that it seems to be perfect for the modern “Me and I” generation with their absence of a sense of humility - a quality, in my opinion, essential for spiritual progress. The way your teachings might be taken in by individuals is to cater to their Ego, Power and Pride. And although you state that, for instance, the acquiring of Powers is not essential and might even be a deterrent for a spiritual progress, nevertheless, the constant emphasis on being Gods and all powerful, being the absolute channels of creation has nothing humble about it and has a great potential to stimulate Ego expression of many, thus really leading them away from being one with God.

Basically, I feel there is a dichotomy present in your teachings that might make many not to succeed in stated spiritual objectives: Individuals would strive to be one with God, yet might simply end up with stimulating and overstimilating their Ego quest for being all mighty and all powerful, thus defeating the objective of being one with God.

It appears to me that there are no Ego curbing techniques in your teachings, no points of  reference, of “reality checks” for those who are simply ending up with stimulating their Egos instead of actually progressing spiritually.

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Females were denigrated even before the religions’ times. The ancient kings and pharaohs’ lineages were passed down through male lines and only at an absence of a suitable male was a woman chosen. In Egypt, when this happened, a honorary beard was attached to woman’s chin in sculptures and paintings. Sculptures in ancient Egyptian temples have women figures come up only to the knee level of those of the males.

This video gives a greate exposition about Egyptian rullers, women rullers and the believe system realities.

108 - The Spade Unearths the Truth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6344684372781935223



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« Reply #103 on: August 24, 2008, 11:22:22 »

Why don't you just say it here Melody

" Jesus saves - accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior "

Many women have risen to power, but your bigotry blinds you to anything but what you can find fault with.
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« Reply #104 on: August 24, 2008, 12:08:59 »

Dear Melody,

I have just returned from a day out, after writing my newsletter, to your latest post.

Many will no doubt wonder why I persist in responding to your posts which are invariably intended to shed doubt both on myself and knowledge I share, but I sense you are experiencing a deep inner conflict which I would like to help you to resolve.


Although many find your teachings essential for their spiritual progress, I cannot help but feel that it seems to be perfect for the modern “Me and I” generation with their absence of a sense of humility - a quality, in my opinion, essential for spiritual progress.

I do not consider anything I write to be "teachings" and I do not regard myself as a "teacher".

I am simply sharing that which I know, beyond any doubt to be true, knowing where much of my knowledge came from, but, as I say in the last chapter of my book, it is for each and every person to keep what they intuitively know to be true, and to discard the rest - which is what you should be doing.

As the well known saying goes - "don't shoot the messenger".

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The way your teachings might be taken in by individuals is to cater to their Ego, Power and Pride.

Ego no - power and pride yes. We are infinitely powerful Beings, far beyond the remotest comprehension of most people, and pride in representing our Higher Self and God in this physical world.

Everyone must know Who they Are, and the Powers at their disposal in order to progress and be joyful. Many religious people are miserable because they are surrendering all of their power to the deity of a controlling belief system.

All enlightened cultures state that surrendering your true identity to another can only result in misery.

The Upanishads state for example:

You are at one with the Universe. He who says he is different from others, even by a hairs breadth, immediately becomes miserable. Happiness belongs to him who knows this oneness, who knows he is one with the Universe”.



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And although you state that, for instance, the acquiring of Powers is not essential and might even be a deterrent for a spiritual progress, nevertheless, the constant emphasis on being Gods and all powerful, being the absolute channels of creation has nothing humble about it and has a great potential to stimulate Ego expression of many, thus really leading them away from being one with God.

Ego has nothing to do with it - I am talking about self-realisation. Knowing our true identity has God is an extremely humbling experience, yet we must never, ever deny it.  On the contrary - we should celebrate Who we Are every moment of our lives.

By denying your Divinity you are denying yourself the opportunity to evolve. Here is a selection of truths stated by all the major religions including Christianity:

Christianity: “Neither shall they say, lo here! or, lo there! For, behold, the kingdom of Heaven is within you”. -- Luke 17:21

Islam: “Those who know themselves know their God”.

Buddhism: “Look within, thou art Buddha”.

Vedanta, part of Hinduism: “Atman (individual Consciousness) and Brahman (Universal Consciousness) are one”.

Upanishads, part of Hinduism: “By understanding the self, all this Universe is known”.

Yoga, part of Hinduism: “God dwells within you as you”.

Confucianism: “Heaven, Earth and human are of one body”.

Christianity: “On that day, you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you”. -- John 14:20

How much clearer can it be?

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Basically, I feel there is a dichotomy present in your teachings that might make many not to succeed in stated spiritual objectives: Individuals would strive to be one with God, yet might simply end up with stimulating and overstimilating their Ego quest for being all mighty and all powerful, thus defeating the objective of being one with God.

In my experience those who sincerely seek Go and their true identity and reality are beyond seeking to boost their Ego.

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It appears to me that there are no Ego curbing techniques in your teachings, no points of  reference, of “reality checks” for those who are simply ending up with stimulating their Egos instead of actually progressing spiritually.

As I stated above - anyone who feels they must "curb their Ego", or who are afraind that their Ego will take control, are not ready anyway, and are unlikely to be exposed to that level of knowledge.

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Females were denigrated even before the religions’ times. The ancient kings and pharaohs’ lineages were passed down through male lines and only at an absence of a suitable male was a woman chosen. In Egypt, when this happened, a honorary beard was attached to woman’s chin in sculptures and paintings. Sculptures in ancient Egyptian temples have women figures come up only to the knee level of those of the males.

Ancient Egypt viewed and treated females as equal to males. Yes the Pharaoh was the symbolic head, but the queen, for example Nefertiti, the wife of Akhenaten was every bit as powerful as her husband.  In other ancient cultures there was no differentiation, and a male of female could be the symbolic leader.

It is only since the onset of religions that worship a patriarchal God through failing to understand the scriptures that females have become subordinate to males.

All Pharaoh's were depicted with false beards whether male or female - it was a symbolic of a ruler. This includes Hatshepsut who is most often considered in this way and who was a female Pharaoh who actually chose herself to be depicted with male characteristics.

Melody - you are using me as a proxy for your own inner conflict. I sincerely suggest you take time to focus within, which is the only place of focus where your conflict can be resolved, so you can open your Mind to our greater potential as discussed in these forums.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.


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