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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2008, 16:37:10 »

Hello Melody, cool

As I observe myself expressing as me-lo-dy here, I notice something, I am aware (conscious) of my Presence in this moment of responding to what I clearly see you reaching for..............

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Neither is it mentioned that Adam had a dream. Bible usually states when somebody had a dream and God spoke to him in the dream like, for instance, dreams Josef had about his future son Jesus (not really his son[/b]).

May I ask you something about this statement here. I ask for clarity, not to argue, WithIn your observation (in my under-standing (of the Language beyond mere words) point of view from the DIAMOND), as I stand here in this moment Melody, I ask, what do you think (imagine, feel, project and role play) (do, BE, have) when you are dreming, a-sleep?!?

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  not really his son

Interesting statement of thought proceding from the seat of Royalty.  H mm....

You are really In Light In Me - Ing (progressing) a sign in this reality of Leo the Lion. The Lion Hearted, Bold, Advancing, Life Giving. reflection = the Sun.

Yes, this is how I gypsy fashion.....................................................

You decide whatever your system of order based on your own labeling defines....................

Many Blessings Melody, Be Well and InJoy you Presence (Presents = to Ones Interpretion or  Ability to Trasn - late.)

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Hello Julia,

I really don’t know what you mean by “the seat of Royalty”. Is the “seat of Royalty” implying the “Royal” position of the Bible in claiming that Jesus was not Josef’s son but was a son of God, or does this statement apply to me because I reiterated what Bible claims about Jesus not being Josef’s son?  If repeating what Bible claims is “from the seat of Royalty” then let it be it so.

It is really irrelevant what I see when I dream, since we are not discussing me here (or so I hope) but the Bible, and what it states about the origin of man. We can project our feelings and thoughts into the Bible’s passages, and personalize Bible with our feelings and the way we want to perceive it, but in reality all we have are the bare words and pronouncements that make the Bible.

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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2008, 16:47:41 »

Ever so interesting to read through the thoughts expressed here in the forum. Like a small properly shaped stone, sent at a certain angle, and skimming over the pond of water, with many bounces upwards and downwards,until the main energy of the original "throw" is dissipated, causing the stone to finally stop it's forward motion. So many "hits" here,(bounces/skims), and the "touching" only upon the "beginnings of Truth". Anyone can and many have, worn the mantle of the "Christ Spirit". It is not a special gift or reward, is is a return to ones original state or condition, through Unconditional Love.
To the prime question that will come up, I am unable to cite any written source for what I've stated.
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Hello Talker,

What you said is very beautiful. Our searchings here are only an expression of trying to understand our origins. We have too few ancient texts about are ancient past, and yet such writings do not explain anything but only raise more questions. Maybe, after we ascent to higher spiritual heights will we be given more clear understandings of the eternal realities of man and the universe. Until then, all we can aspire to is to find peace inside us, and yes, Unconditional Love.

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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2008, 17:40:40 »

Hello Melody, smiley

I was saying that you positionally you as we all are Royalty as Being recognized as a Child of God. Forgive me if I misunderstood your statement.

As to personalizing the Bible or any Philosophy, we all do it Melody. It's very evident here in the forums by the very many different expressions given here. I  am only expressing my view of the 'diamond' that True Forgiveness when extended in Unconditional Love, forgives in advance. There's no offense to defend, because none is seen.

Coming from this position allows me to enter this forum and express myself freely as all others are freely here to do as well. Adrian's Open House.

Acceptance of all others whatever their position may be in this moment, seems to bring me a deep sense of peace and trust and joy. That is all I really wish to share with you and all.

Many Blessings, Be Well and Injoy this day,

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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2008, 18:14:07 »


Hello Julia,

Thank you for expressing this...  smiley
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« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2008, 13:59:54 »

Louis, cool

In re-reading this post, I noticed something here that was brought to my attentiveness (I attend my Life In(N) essence) (in my own definiton, a Psst!!.... Pay attention Child of God role playing as Julia and act accordingly to your belief (Knowing).

You Truly are quite the Light for this one. Namaste. Meant in True Genuineness.

In stepping back and observing your expression;

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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2008, 17:33:21 »

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Julia are you talking to yourself? This is Neurotic, I don't understand anything you said to yourself up there. oh well.


Child of God as Julia responds: I could say the same of you if I decide to label you ,which I do not. You enlighten me by this statement. I appreciate you for setting this one free in this statement. (Only 'God' Knows),

The bible isn't the first to talk about the Garden of Eden. It is first in the Ancient Sumerian text. It is believed to be in the Persian Gulf. Since Sumer is the very oldest city found by Archaeologist then it is believed that it is around there. The Jewish bible is only one book that tells of there events.

But no one really knows. Some ever believe that is the Astral world and the apple is a metaphor for Knowledge. (Julia asks Louis)..."WTF"!?!

In Truth, Louis(playing the role of Louis aka as God in my picture. Aftetr All you are as I AM..yes?)

In your own noticing that the Jewish Bible is the only version of this scenario catches my attention (my I (eye), as in the 'Kabbalah' also being taken into consideration. Funny, like you, I am role playing in this family photo as an Amerasian. In order for me to 'fit' into my imagined place in this picture I ask; "Are there such things as Jewish Japanese? Or Christian, Mohamedan, Buddhist, Essene and on and on she goes... Japanese?Huh".....................Just asking for an answer, not a 'quest' in motion (question). I by take my rightful place as Royalty to choose to see or refuse to see the WHOLE picture.

I have noticed and IT continues to keep this one Awakened that All is what It seems to BE. By defining perhaps by labeling I create a resistance as though I am able to limit any- thing, I've created in my own picture.

True Purpose is to return to Source of Origin Know Only Love. I Am Love because I cannot change the currriculum. I can only remove my barriers to seeing what 'keeps' me from this TRUTH. Love IS WHO I AM. Would I share this with less than the Royalty I AM? This is my Asking, (not question (seeking)). This statement is Truth. Say IT and Know IT. BE Cause you Effect IT.

That's All Folks..........................the sage wisdom of Porky the Pig, I love Porky the Pig... he rocks...In Asian Astrology I was 'born' to be wild. wink I AM WILD BOAR.

Insanity is defined by the Insane. I see Innocence and Love. The Way is Open to All.....


You define Neurosis Louis. I observe. You are Light Now.

Just thinking out loud, it seems to allow this misbehaved woman her story...

As Always, PlayInJoy,

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« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2008, 15:02:04 »

Man, you're confusing.
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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2008, 22:04:53 »

Hello Louis, smiley

Never Intending confusion. Pardon. Read 'between' the lines. wink

just wandering through.............................................................................................
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« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2008, 22:28:55 »

It is like you are taking all of the periods and your lining them up where they shouldn't be, lol.

A Japanese if an Isolated Asian person. Just a decent in which there soul is wearing. Just as Buddhism and Taoism have made it over here with the merging of the cultures so has the Western influence on the far East. Anyone can adopt beliefs from other cultures no mater what they look like.

I was just saying Neurotic as in Crazy, like someone who is not nonjudgmental unlike myself might think your crazy. ok bye
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« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2008, 10:18:57 »

Hello Louis, smiley

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I was just saying Neurotic as in Crazy, like someone who is not nonjudgmental unlike myself might think your crazy. ok bye

Thank you for a wonderful compliment. Actually, all the ones whom we base all these various philosophies on were considered 'crazy' at some point in their incarnation. So, I am delighted to keep such wonderful company. wink

That said, my beloved Spiritual Sister who has shared this path with me for over 20 years, gave me a gift years ago. She said when handing it to me, "Here, I saw this and immediately thought of you." It says:

"Well behaved women rarely make history." --- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

Yes, Julia is still crazy after all these years. H mm..didn't Paul Simon sing something to this effect?

Just playing. It's allowed. cheesy

InJoy this day, I'm off to wander...................

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« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2008, 17:37:28 »

Your right, everyone who thinks outside the box is considered crazy. Average people don't make history.
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« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2008, 09:40:48 »

Melody, Julia, and all others,

These are some fascinating questions and observations. It is easy to see how some of these issues have you stumped. I am preparing the answer, but it may take some time to put it all into writing. Therefore in the meantime, if you will do but  one thing, then I will work on it as time permits.

Do this... get a piece of blank white notebook-size paper. Cut a strip of it, oh, say, an inch wide. (In other words, you should now have a strip of paper 11 inches long and 1-1.5 inches wide.)

You'll need a ruler or some way of measuring for the next step, where I want you to draw lines to divide the strip of paper into pieces, where each piece approximately measures according to the following percentages:

1. 31%
2. 25%
3. 18%
4. 26%

Now, sit down to a table or desk, and place the first piece (31% of the length) in front of you with the long end facing away from you.

Next, position piece #2 cross-ways to the left of the first piece, such that the bottom right corner is touching the upper left corner of the first piece. (So in other words, the first piece has the long edge going "up and down" and the second piece has the long edge going across, and they are touching only by the one corner.)

Piece #3 should be placed at the "top" with the long end facing away from you, like we did with #1. Its bottom left corner should be touching the upper right corner of the second piece.

Finally, the fourth piece should be positioned across from #2, with its two left corners touching the corners of pieces 1 and 3.

If you've positioned the pieces correctly there will be a square in the center.

Now... looking at the pieces of paper, what do you see?

If you answered "I see a cross," that would be the correct answer. Ok... lets continue...

Get a Bible and open it to Numbers, chapter 2. (I know, Numbers is about the yuckiest book in the whole Bible.) But humor me. There you'll read about how the Lord instructed Moses and Aaron concerning how the tribes of Israel were to camp around the tent of meeting.

As you go through it, write down the number of people in each of the twelve tribes. Also, take note of the compass direction where each tribe was to encamp. To help, I have the numbers listed as follows:

EastSouthWestNorth
Judah74600Reuben46500Ephraim40500Dan62700
Issachar54400Simeon59300Manasseh32200Asher41500
Zebulun57400Gad45650Benjamin35400Naphtali53400
186400151450108100157600

That gives us:

East18640031%
South15145026%
West10810018%
North15760025%
TOTAL603550100%

Now you can see the significance of the numbers and their corresponding percentages.

And so now the question becomes... what did God see when looking down upon the camp of Israel?

The most important thing to consider when approaching a book like the bible is to understand there are keys to lock and unlock the meaning. In the case of the bible, it must be understood that it is not a book about metaphysics, or about the history of Israel. It is a book about two things.

#1 it is a book about Jesus Christ.
#2 it is a book about the Church, which is His Bride.

As the saying goes "In the Old Testament, Christ is concealed. In the New Testament, He is revealed."

From Genesis (the book of beginnings) the very first verse, to the last verse of Revelation it is a book about Jesus.

Note: It is "Revelation", singular, not "Revelations", plural as many people say. Read the first chapter and you will see it plainly states that it is "the revelation of Jesus Christ." The greek word for "revelation" is the word for "apocalypse." And so we see that what we call the "Apocalypse" is not doom and gloom and end of the world. Rather, the it is the Apocalypse (meaning "unveiling") of Jesus Christ.

This is reiterated in Luke 24:25-35. Specifically in verse 27 it says "and beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he [Jesus] explained to them what was said in all the scriptures concerning himself."

What does it mean when Adam fell asleep?

That is what got me thinking. Adam is a "type" of Christ. We can read about this in I Corinthians 15: 45 "The first man Adam became a living being, the last Adam, a life-giving spirit."

Then in verse 47 "The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven."

There are only 2 men, in the mind of God. The first one and the second. There are also 2 "Adam's"... the first one, and the last one. Notice the way it is worded. There is a first man, and a second one. Then, there is a first "Adam" and the "last" Adam. It does not say "second Adam" for that would be to imply a "third" and "fourth" and so on.

An "Adam" is the head of a race of beings, that is, the race of mankind. As Adam is the head of the human race, Jesus, being the last Adam (there are no more to come) is the head of a new race of being. Therefore, He Himself stated that "you must be born again."

Adam fell asleep and then God opened up his side and took from him a rib and formed the Woman. And Adam exclaimed, "Bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh, and called her Woman, for she was taken out of man. (Genesis 2:23)

But remember the story is not about Adam and Eve. It is about Christ and the Church. See Ephesians 5:25-32

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her...
... to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church, for we are members of his body.

For this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united with his wife, and the two will become one flesh. This is a profound mystery, but I am talking about Christ and the church."


Adam's sleep foreshadowed Christ's crucifixion, when Jesus died on the cross. At that time, a soldier pierced his side with a spear, and blood and water ran out (John, an apostle and eye-witness of the event tells this in John 19:33-37)

See the blood and water running out of Jesus' side, and you see the husband who laid down His life for His bride, the church. She was therefore taken from His side, just as Eve was from Adam's rib. The sleep was the sleep of death, and after rising from the dead, Jesus appeared to the disciples, who had locked themselves in a room out of fear. They were shocked when he appeared (apparently walking through the walls or the locked door itself) and what did he say in response? "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your mind? Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself. Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." (Luke 24:38-39)

Ahh... there it is repeated... "flesh and bone."

And again, of course the story in Genesis takes place in the garden. Reading in John 19:41, see that it says "at the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid."

He died and rose again in the garden! And so where we read in Genesis 3:23 that the Lord God banished the man and the woman from the garden after they sinned. "After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword, flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life."

WOW... the East... referring back to the cross formed by the camp of Israel, we see the beginning of the camp is to the east... and there it is... the foot of the cross. That is man's entrance back to the Garden.

That was God's intent from the very beginning, as we read in Revelation 13:8 that Jesus is "the Lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world."

Therefore Adam and Eve were clothed with the skin of an animal after they sinned. They were naked and ashamed, and God killed an innocent animal, shedding its blood, to make garments of skin for them.

That is as it says in Romans 5:12 "...just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin..."

and again in Romans 8:20 "the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay, and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God."

The innocent animal shed its blood to clothe the man and his wife, and in the same way Jesus, though innocent of any wrong, was slain and shed His blood to cleanse His bride and to clothe her in robes of righteousness.

If you read in Exodus about the Tabernacle of Moses, specifically the Holy of Holies, which was separated from the Holy Place by a veil. That veil is mentioned at the time when Jesus was crucified, for at the moment He breathed His last, the veil was torn in two, from top to bottom (Luke 23:45)

We read in Hebrews 10:20 to learn that the we are to enter "the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain (veil) that is, His flesh."

That veil was embroidered with cherubim (remember the cherubim posted to stand guard to the entrance to the garden of Eden?) And so we see, the cherubim purpose was not to keep man out. Rather, just as it says in Genesis "to guard the way to (not away from) the tree of Life."

And that veil was the flesh of Christ. That veil was in the Tabernacle, and in John 1:14 we read "the Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us." If you would read the original language (Greek) you will see that the word for "dwelling" is the same as the word for "tabernacle." And so, "the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us."

Now as for the hope of all who believe, we read in 2 Corinthians 5:1:

"Now we know that if the earthly tent (tabernacle again!) we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands."

Next, turning and reading in Ephesians 3:9-11, we read that the apostle Paul was commissioned...

"to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. His intent was that now, through the church the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose which he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord."

There again we have the plain reference to the lamb being slain before the foundation of the world. For it was God's eternal purpose to demonstrate to the rulers and authorities in heavenly places, the riches of His grace and His unconditional love for all of His creation.

Before bringing the earth into being, God already had slain the Lamb in His mind. That is to say, He had already given His Son on our behalf. And not only that, but the Son of God is the husband, and the Father was presenting Him with a bride, to become one with him and to sit on the throne with Him, and rule with Him throughout eternity.

And so man, who for "a little while" was made lower than the angels has been lifted up and made by his very nature one with the Father and the Son.

That, my friends is the gospel, which translated means "good news."

That most of the so-called "church" has missed the truth of these things now and down through history is not my concern. Yes, the institutional church has abused its so-called "power" and there is very little knowledge and understanding of the true nature of things. But that does not make those things any less true.

He is the sum of all spiritual knowledge and understanding. He is the "mystery of God, namely Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." (Colossians 2:2-3)

He is the Light of the World, the Bright Morning Star, who enlightens every man coming into the world.

I am speaking of enlightenment. I am not speaking of spiritual dogma, or some rote and tradition handed down by corpses. I am speaking of the truth of God in Jesus Christ, and of being raised up with Him and being a temple of the Holy Spirit.

I am speaking of the FACT that I have in myself the growing awareness, that is in my perception, that I am not at all what it appears. If you saw me, you might estimate me to be around 6'2" and 240 lbs. But that would be such a mistake. And it is not by rote or tradition, but by my own experience and insight that I can say that my size is more comparable to that of a constellation. This fleshly body in which I reside is a mere speck of who and what I am. My dwelling is in heavenly realms, far above all rulers and authorities.

I have already transcended space and time. I step one foot in this day and age, and the other foot in another epoch, as measured on earth. I have witnessed how infinite awareness, infinite intelligence, knows all things. Everything that is going to happen has already happened, and yet is still to come, for "NOW" is the time and "TODAY" is the day (Hebrews chapter 4).

If I wave my hand one way, it affects the life of earth's inhabitants for years, and if I wave it another, there is a different effect.

I have seen and witnessed the corporate "man" that is the the body and bride of Christ. That is a living and breathing entity, a being not known before.

I have witnessed and know of existing in multiple time/space continuums and multiple dimensions simultaneously. I live it and breathe it. I know the glorious freedom and the liberty that is found in Christ. He is the enlightenment, far beyond comparison of any other. I am rooted and grounded in His love, and am built up and established in Him. I exist outside the solar system, and this galaxy and the next.

I am not waiting to evolve... I have already far surpassed any so-called evolution. These are not things I merely spout as if from some defunct Sunday school class. These are the things I've encountered. I have wept because of the sad state of the so-called church. The world has not seen the truth about God and about His Son because the church has not fulfilled her purpose on earth. And I am no better than any of them, or any of you reading this today. I am the least of all and hardly worth a mention. I only state these things to say that there is so much more surpassing treasure of wisdom and knowledge, and I find that it is true that in Christ, God has opened up the storehouse and given out every bit of treasure and blessing in heavenly places.

That is above all astral plane and every plane that can be known or that exists, right to the very center of the Source of all things, the One, the Spirit of all life, the Original Being, the "I AM" as He made Himself known to Moses at the burning bush.

Indeed, I am the burning bush. For in me the fire burns, and yet I am not consumed by it.

I stand in the face of infinity. I have infinite supply at my disposal. I live in the arms of Infinite and Unconditional Love. I am supported by Infinite Grace and Lovingkindness. I see no lack and I know the liberty that is mine.

I do not have to wait, except for the full outward expression of it all. But it is all mine, it is true NOW, TODAY. For at this moment, I exist, sitting here in a chair, but at the same time seated in heavenly places, above every astral plane. I do not need to have OBEs because I live in other places, too many to mention. That is because, at this very moment, my life is Hidden, With Christ, In God.

That is the hidden manna that nourishes me. I rule on a throne, seated in Christ. The Seven Spirits of God, with eyes all around, seeing all things every where, exist in this place.

What I possess is infinitely better than anything I have heard of or read about anywhere else. And I have it NOW... it is mine TODAY.

I have opened "portals" if you want to call them that. It is so simple to do. I have commanded the wind and storms to stop, and they have obeyed me in an instant. I can go anywhere and do anything that is required of me. But those are toys for children to play with, because the upward call of God is to grow in Love.

When I look to Him, I form no picture in my mind. That is very important. We should have no images of God, for He is immortal, invisible and dwells alone in inapproachable light. Therefore I form no image in my mind, but look into the face of Infinity and enter into the presence of the Invisible God, the I AM, the ground of all Being, and all that Exists.

I have discovered the center of the Universe, and have made it my dwelling place.

In that place, I find that I am Infinite. I enter His presence through the blood of Jesus Christ, the Word of God. I walk among the heavenly candlesticks and the burning coals, in the midst of angels and powerful beings.

Do you?

Does this make me anything? I am nothing at all. I am an energy, an awareness. That is all.

There is so much more. I just wanted to scratch the surface here concerning the questions about Adam falling asleep.

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« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2008, 20:04:31 »


Hello Aspect,

The points you presented are quite interesting. I personally find Bible very fascinating, but that was not always like that. Now, I seem to be more and more inclined to study it. One always discovers some amazing stuff in the Bible… At the moment, I don’t have time delving into and searching through the Bible.  I am curious though what else you’d discover about the Bible.
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« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2008, 07:03:15 »

Hello Aspect,

A most interesting perspective - thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with us.

I have not checked the original Ancient Greek wording, but I am almost certain that the word "church" would be a mistranslation. The entire concept of the "church" did not appear until around the 4th century CE with the onset of Christianity.

I would think that "church" or more specifically the original word used is a metaphor for the "brotherhood of man" and women or course.

Genesis was almost certainly written by, or at the time of Moses around 1450 - 1410 BCE, and therefore around 1450 years before the official birth of Jesus.

My research also suggests that Genesis was heavily influenced by the earlier Summerian legends, for example the Epic of Gilgamesh which contains the earliest recorded account of the Great Flood where Utnapishtim and his wife built a boat which they filled full of animals and which were the only survivors. The only aspect of this legend that substantially varies are the names of the characters.

Almost the entire Old and New Testaments can be traced back to, often recurring legends originating from previous early civilisations including the birth, death and resurrection sequences of the Gospels which are basd upon astrology, or more specifically astrotheolgy.

That said, I do believe that the majority of the Gospels that chronicle the teachings of Jesus are fairly true, and the teachings are definitely very true. Whether Jesus actually lived during the period in history attributed to him is another matter. My own research suggests that he may have lived two or three hundreds years before his official lifetime, and that when Constantine brought together the various fragments that formed the cannon of the Bible, he based them around the teachings of this character from a few hundred years before.

In general terms I believe people read in to the Bible whatever most closely approximates their own beliefs, concepts and aspirations at the time, and we must respect them all.

When I read the Bible I never see theology, but only a very clear book of Spiritual Growth, Metaphysics, history, prophecies and stories.

I suppose what I am saying is that we should all take from the Bible that which we consider to be of value, and disregard the rest.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

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« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2008, 11:44:01 »

Good Morning Aspect, smiley

Ahh. Very well stated Evangelical Christian point of view here. What a flashback my friend. wink

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As the saying goes "In the Old Testament, Christ is concealed. In the New Testament, He is revealed."

I remember this statement well.

My point in raising this discussion was missed here my friend. That is all I will share with you. I do appreciate your offer to 'unstump' us. But it goes against the teachings of Jesus The Christ who stated that the Mind of God is written in the Conscience of every 'man'. The practicing of the law was obviously useless and so it was nailed to the cross. It is finished as in the laws of man. Another ongoing debate.

I see that you would debate well here. I believe we have travelled the same road. For myself, it was Jesus who led me out of the church.

Debates can abound however, no one can argue against ones own personal testimony now can they? That would be playing God in another's life. And I trust this is not what you mean here.

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Therefore I form no image in my mind, but look into the face of Infinity and enter into the presence of the Invisible God, the I AM, the ground of all Being, and all that Exists.

Yes. Formlessness.


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I have discovered the center of the Universe, and have made it my dwelling place.



Welcome my friend. You've just found us. See? How IT works?wink

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Does this make me anything? I am nothing at all. I am an energy, an awareness. That is all.


Well said. You will find that there are those here who share this same HeartMind.


Again, I could debate here. Why? 'God' does not need defending. Man does. Because man is not convinced that he was never separated from his Origin. The Bible was revealed to be a Love Story my friend. And you so validate this in your statements above whether you recognize this or not. I am just observing you here.

You see how Adrian is so Unconditionally Loving here? He allows all to express freely.

Namaste Adrian. Thank you for your excellent response. My Spirit is One with you here.


Love WithIn Divine Spirit, InJoy Being an aspect,

Julia




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« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2008, 12:10:54 »

Good day to all here,

I do not understand this.
I understand the research and the logic of this, the thought patterns and the beliefs of all the words here, but the heart of it escapes me.
It matters not what you believe in your mind if the heart is excluded from the intimacy of your feelings for all of this. The Bible is a book, a revealing one to some, a puzzle to to others, and living thing to few. But it is a book.
Our Father breathed the true Bible into us with creation, it is all written there, all alive there, and all powerful. It is where one goes for the truth so many words seek the essence of. Preaching and teaching are not the way of Source, it is the way of the ones doing the speaking.
Curing the sick is a matter of loving the person enough to let them know it is their faith that did so, to love them enough to see them healthy and let them see their own power of miracles." Tell no-one what has been done here " they will attribute it to me, and it is your faith that did this thing.
These pages you worship, they are the words of men, stories of their days and you have told them what they thought and felt while writing them, yet you do not know, you did not know them.
In the final hours of the day, your interpretations served no-one but yourselves, to elevate yourselves as teachers and scholars, rulers of the Law, enlightened amongst those you must first judge as lower than yourselves, This is not Godly, this is not enlightened, this is elitism even if done so under the cloak of being compassionate.
I have many more uneducated in my time than scholarly. I see them loving their children, aiding their neighbors, laughing because it spreads joy, Being fully Human and Godlike without the education of your scriptures.
I hear the threat of hell in the same speech as God love. Hell is Sheol, a place outside of Jerusalem to throw garbage into the burning limestone. Not a place to throw Souls, for no Soul can be imperfect, and no Human can be made to live in eternal fire. It is an abomination to teach such things,especially to children.
We can argue this into eternity, yet it does nothing but waste precious life. In the time you argued your side, life slipped away, death overtook a neighbor that would have chosen life if you just said hello in the time it took you write out your ' side ' of the debate.You cannot study that which was designed to be felt and lived, it is running from your own truth.
" Let the dead bury the dead "
To say that One or just a handful of Human Beings achieved Gods favor, blessings and fruition is the defining ideal of your anti-Christ, another abomination to the very nature of Gods essence.
Human Beings are the Universes greatest achievement above all others, yet you defy this ideal in the very scriptures you interpret as ones of vengeance, wrath and a God that kills for imperfections. What horror you dispel upon your family's, your loved ones, yourselves.
You do not possess the keys to ultimate wisdom - you are the Keys.
You steal heaven from children by placing it far and away from their grasp in the present. Separating God and Human Being is creating an unnatural order in the Universe. It is condemning your child in the womb.
Your greatest fear is now as it always has been, the fear of your perfection, the fear of your Godliness, and with this fear you create all your misery and woe, your heart ache and death.
You are the only Church the Universe and life will ever recognize as reality. Your building will crumble, your Bible will turn to dust, and your misplaced worship of a book will leave all as empty as all your arguments to the contrary.
Your heart will cry out for Love in the end and no book will aid you. Only yourself and recognizing all you seek you already are, and you desire to know - you already do, all the love you run after you possess. Miracles do not come to us, but through us.
The Universe is Human inclined to aid and nurture our growth in this fulfillment, to say but One has achieved this is condemning to death all in the name of salvation.

Love,

Jesus.
  






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