The Garden of Eden

[wavepsychic]

Hi melody,

Maybe the reference to dust signifies that the man was created with the elements of this planet.

I thought of that too, man created from earth. But man was also created with all the other elements as well. It doesn't matter what it says anyway, because one doesn't need a book of creation to know that the physical body came from this planet. We eat the plants of this planet, animals eat the plants of this planet. Everyone knows that we barrow everything we have from this planet.

I really don't know if we were tampered with by Aliens or something like that. But this planet has a complete evolution so even if there are no aliens we could still be here. Its not like were just on a planet by ourselves some how you know. A planet with only humans on it. I also would like to point out my beliefs in spiritual non-physical powers. These non-physical have a lot to do with how things turn out even though we do not realize it. Spirits & other non-physical entities influence humans, animals and the like to alter how things turn out. There is a reason why some people get pregnant at the times they do for example.

[DH]

In the Hebrew of Genesis 2, the word adam means something like "earth creature" because he was taken from the adamah or "earth" or "dirt".  The Hebrew scriptures are full of word plays and puns.  "Dust bunny" is a stretch but might work too!   

DH

[wavepsychic]

Hi DH,

In the Hebrew of Genesis 2, the word adam means something like "earth creature" because he was taken from the adamah  or "earth" or "dirt".  The Hebrew scriptures are full of word plays and puns.  "Dust bunny" is a stretch but might work too!

That means Adam could have been anything. It could have been a mouse or monkey. Also most people forget that Lilith was also in the garden of Eden before Eve.

[zensunni7]

Ancient Yoga text states if all life on Earth were compacted into one single form, it would result in a Human form. The Hebrew language is a very complicated one in its original form, single words can express entire sentences, as sentence structure can evolve an entire paragraph of thought. Which I feel accounts for so many misinterpretations of the translations.
 Genesis is the result of Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Babylonian, and Sumerian stories of creation being combined in the Hebrew texts. So there is room for many variables within them. Genesis is filled with contradictions and unsettling aspects, such as Cain being banished and told to take his wife and dwell in the land of Nod, as well as being told told he must wander the Earth.

Julia's original thought was of Adam awakening after being put to sleep. I feel it was a matter of perhaps being set a course for self awakening through experiences rather than divine intervention and creation.
All waters of knowledge become muddied when we stir them with thoughts of literal and metaphorical explorations. Although interesting and seductive to the intellect, truth is always felt in the heart.

WithIn Love

Darrell
 

[juliainkc]

Hello Melody,

Maybe it is simply understood that Adam was put to sleep for the rib removal procedure and he woke up naturally from it as from any other sleep, so it was not necessary to mention that he woke up.

It is said that Adam himself chose the word Woman after God brought Eve unto him, so he was no longer asleep after the rib-removal procedure:

Just thinking along side of you here. My question at this point is why then was it even necessary to mention 'God' causing Adam to be put into a deep sleep at all? Why would it be assumed that he would feel anything by having this procedure done? The Creator can create anything even an absence of what I could consider to be painful or not. Adam named the Woman and all the animals, not 'God'. Hmm.. he could have done this in a dream state as well.

For whatever reason, sleep was mentioned but not an awakening.

God also blessed them and spoke to them (which means neither of them were asleep as they had to listen to what God said):

In my ongoing understanding I have noticed that 'God' communicates within my Spirit Being and I can witness which Voice I am choosing to listen to determined by the way I am seeing this communication manifesting in my created idea of this world. I'm noticing there are two possible Voices that I have the ability to listen to. One seems to be a creator of problems and One seems to see no problem. H mm...I have much room to grow in understanding this.

So if Adam was dreaming, he could easily create a Woman in his dream. She would naturally be with him because she is in his thoughts or mind creating the dream. This could happen in a dream state. I have dreamed of people who I have never physically seen in this current moment of incarnation.

It does sound strange that God would first create a being and then maim it - remove a part of him. There is no mention in the Bible that God had to maim in the similar fashion male animals to create their mates.

Man was, in this story account, the Keeper of the Garden, Man was given dominion over all the earth and every created thing on the earth. It seems lately that Man has forgotten this idyllic responsibility and is having himself one heck of a nightmare. Again, I'm just sharing my thoughts.

Gen 2:25  And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

They were not asleep as they were naked but not ashamed.

It is only after all that that the serpent is introduced in Geneses 3. It is clear from the text that Adam was not asleep at that point. He already named Eve with a word Woman, and they were blessed and spoken to by God, and they were not ashamed to be naked, though they saw each other’s nakedness.

Bible does mention biblical personages having a dream. But it does not say so about Adam. Moreover, the chronology of events in the Bible as pointed above would exclude the serpent event as being just a dream for Adam.

I have experienced dreams where I was naked and I can only assume here I am not alone in this.

For me, the idea of Adam and Eve being naked and not ashamed is the True State of Being all of myself without shame or drawing back because all I see Perfect Completion. I Am God Presence. They saw eachothers nakedness as in the Innocence and Purity of Being God Spirit.

In an earthly sense, this is the Ideal relationship example to have with another. Being Honest and bare and Unconditionally Loving and Accepting of the other or all others. As I shared recently with a Beloved friend, it's not looking across the table and saying, "What the hell was I thinking," but "I love you even when you look like hell" (no matter what).
H mmm....see? I think like this.

What is interesting for me as I travel this incarnation is, I continue to meet specific people throughout my life that while they may 'look' different than another I have known and been influenced by in my 'life', I have identified with their Spirit, their Presence. I sense a likeness of another one I have known at some point. I am speaking of those still Present and not. All this is occurring within as I pay attention to the quiet Voice I hear in stillness. This is how I am able to recognize it.

See Melody? You really are very helpful in my growth. I mean this with genuine sincerity.

Thank you for sharing this moment with me, I appreciate you.

Many Blessings, Be Well and InJoy this day,

Julia

[juliainkc]

Good Morning DH, Louis and Darrell,

DH, thank you for your Insight. I have felt at times like there is only dust blowing between these ears!! I guess I must make sure that both doors are either open or closed.

Louis, that's another point of consideration for me. Why would it be necessary to 'eat' anything to 'gain' Knowledge of what one already possesses by direct association?
H mmm......

I too believe in and am certain of Spiritual nonphysical powers. IT's why I am here.
While I understand your dislike for the word God and reference to God being a He, it's just a word because as you share and I agree, there really is no word for IT. Words are the way we communicate in this reality, symbols of an expression that cannot be expressed in physical terms. Am I sounding Neurotic again? Forgive me in advance. Thank you, I knew you would.

Julia's original thought was of Adam awakening after being put to sleep. I feel it was a matter of perhaps being set a course for self awakening through experiences rather than divine intervention and creation.

All waters of knowledge become muddied when we stir them with thoughts of literal and metaphorical explorations. Although interesting and seductive to the intellect, truth is always felt in the heart.

Yes Darrell, exactly. It is a matter of the heart, seat of Knowledge, Mind of IT (Source, God, Tao, The First Cause).

The 'problem' is never in or with the body or the world, it is the mind that is the 'problem' in my considering of these things. Hmm.....

I appreciate All of you. You assist me in growing into All I am here to Be.

Sending Loving thoughts your way,

Many Blessings, Be Well and InJoy this day withIN Love,

Julia

[wavepsychic]

Your words are wise Darrell.

Ancient Yoga text states if all life on Earth were compacted into one single form, it would result in a Human form.

We do contain all the genes of a lot of animals. We just don't use them.

I have dreamed of people who I have never physically seen in this current moment of incarnation.

I have to say that this is one of the most frustrating things for me. I often dream of people and places that I can't remember when I wake up. I think some of them are based off fictional characters but I'm not sure. Its hard to remember who they are or where I was.

While I understand your dislike for the word God and reference to God being a He, it's just a word because as you share and I agree, there really is no word for IT. Words are the way we communicate in this reality, symbols of an expression that cannot be expressed in physical terms. Am I sounding Neurotic again? wink Forgive me in advance. Thank you, I knew you would. smiley

I think that is very wise! There is very little you can understand about the creator. We know its pure love & the sum of all our beings. Symbols & names do it no Justice because its outside of form. The first cause doesn't have a name, not even angels have names.

I just don't like the Christan view of god. They should be ashamed of themselves, thinking of a creator that is judgmental. They rid karma & put Judgmentalness in its place. Karma is a law not a punishment.

And there is nothing to forgive.

[juliainkc]

Good Evening Louis,

I just don't like the Christan view of god. They should be ashamed of themselves, thinking of a creator that is judgmental. They rid karma & put Judgmentalness in its place. Karma is a law not a punishment.

I do understand this view and see it as a very good reason why Adrian was led to create his book and these forums to assist the masses that are coming out of this erroneous collective teaching and feeling very disoriented. It is a very tainted view yet it also reveals that we are collectively desiring to Know a Higher Source of Love Who Loves and cares for us.

I must also realize that to judge it is well, judging it. This is how I recognize what I am creating in my earthly picture based on my thoughts within. How do I change this so I don't become what I do not like what I am seeing? H mm...ongoing.

However, for myself, it is this very reason that I went back in to see what it was all about because whether I like it or not, it has had permeated and left a very deep impression upon this reality whether anyone has attended, studied or practiced it or not. All Spiritual paths lead to IT. So there is value within in as well and that is what I was seeking. I wanted to Know the real Jesus, the human image who attained Christhood. The church really polluted what Jesus said and even Jesus himself. I heartily agree with Adrian, that Jesus did not intend to create any religion, he obviously knew it wasn't the way, yet while here, he met ones at the door of their current state of belief and then showed them another way.

I am truly considering starting a post on the definitions used in Christian apologetics that once left a very bad taste in my mouth and apparently from what I read here in the forums I am not alone in this feeling. It isn't meant the way it is 'preached' in the pulpits. Which is why we have seen a lot of 'leaders' falling into what they scream against the most.

I do understand from where I am in this moment, that it should only be evident by this behavior that they have yet to meet the Christ they say they know because the Bible is not an intellectual book. It is book with deep metaphysical meanings opening to Spiritual language that can only be understood by tapping into the Infinite Intelligence that used symbolic language to communicate with us. This is true of all Spiritual philosophies. They are not meant to be understood with an intellectual mind. Mankind had done the mangling in the translating of an Infinite Source of Wisdom that leads one through Consciousness and onto True Knowledge.

That is why I share that in all, it's only words. Words cannot hurt me unless I allow them to. Now the meanings of the words, well, that's all whole different story. I find when I am 'getting' the meanings, I am having a Spiritual Experience and no matter what anyone may say, in Truth No One can remove One's Experience. IT is within.

And there is nothing to forgive

This very Truth is what leads to Enlightenment.

I appreciate you sharing Louis.

InJoy this evening,

Julia

[melody]

For whatever reason, sleep was mentioned but not an awakening.

Hello Julia,

Neither is it mentioned that Adam had a dream. Bible usually states when somebody had a dream and God spoke to him in the dream like, for instance, dreams Josef had about his future son Jesus (not really his son).

[melody]

In the Hebrew of Genesis 2, the word adam means something like "earth creature" because he was taken from the adamah or "earth" or "dirt".  The Hebrew scriptures are full of word plays and puns.  "Dust bunny" is a stretch but might work too!   

DH

Hello DH,

So maybe "the earth creature" referred to a very primitive man who lived on this Earth, and lived in dirt, and who was tempered by the extraterrestrials in order to make him more as themselves. This is at least a point of view that Zecharia Sitchin proposed in his writings, based on deciphering old Sumerian texts.

 

[juliainkc]

Hello Melody,

As I observe myself expressing as me-lo-dy here, I notice something, I am aware (conscious) of my Presence in this moment of responding to what I clearly see you reaching for..............

Neither is it mentioned that Adam had a dream. Bible usually states when somebody had a dream and God spoke to him in the dream like, for instance, dreams Josef had about his future son Jesus (not really his son[/b]).

May I ask you something about this statement here. I ask for clarity, not to argue, WithIn your observation (in my under-standing (of the Language beyond mere words) point of view from the DIAMOND), as I stand here in this moment Melody, I ask, what do you think (imagine, feel, project and role play) (do, BE, have) when you are dreming, a-sleep?!?

  not really his son

Interesting statement of thought proceding from the seat of Royalty.  H mm....

You are really In Light In Me - Ing (progressing) a sign in this reality of Leo the Lion. The Lion Hearted, Bold, Advancing, Life Giving. reflection = the Sun.

Yes, this is how I gypsy fashion.....................................................

You decide whatever your system of order based on your own labeling defines....................

Many Blessings Melody, Be Well and InJoy you Presence (Presents = to Ones Interpretion or  Ability to Trasn - late.)

Julia

[wavepsychic]

Hi Julia,

Your right I shouldn't judge Christan's. Those words are meant for the Spiritual, other wise they would just be commands & the free will of the people would be lost as spiritual would be replaced with slavery. I do agree with you though, Christianity does put a bad taste in my mouth.

Words cannot hurt me unless I allow them to.

That is very wise. I also want to point out how Religion is always trying to ban words and say they are bad. Nothing has meaning unless you put meaning to them. A wise person once said to me, you rely on others to make you happy, rely on yourself to make you happy. I hated that she said that but she was right all along. There are many swear words that the bibles and religions forbid. In old languages you wouldn't even take offense to them because you wouldn't know what they wore to put meanings to them. Now I do understand that its not polite for a little girl to go around cursing. None the less there just words. If someone says fuck you, most would think god doesn't want people saying that. There just words though, if you said sex you that wouldn't make much sense. So people put extra meaning to the word fuck that they aren't aware of. I believe people are much more hurt when they are insulted without swear words. yes swearing is disrespectful & you should be polite but if you call someone fat thats even more hurtful. If they are hurt by forbidden words its because they let themselves be hurt.

Just some thoughts, in the Spiritual worlds there are no words, just telepathy & feelings. If you say F U to someone with out negative feelings it wouldn't matter probably.

[Talker]

Ever so interesting to read through the thoughts expressed here in the forum. Like a small properly shaped stone, sent at a certain angle, and skimming over the pond of water, with many bounces upwards and downwards,until the main energy of the original "throw" is dissipated, causing the stone to finally stop it's forward motion. So many "hits" here,(bounces/skims), and the "touching" only upon the "beginnings of Truth". Anyone can and many have, worn the mantle of the "Christ Spirit". It is not a special gift or reward, it is a return to ones original state or condition, through Unconditional Love.
To the prime question that will come up, I am unable to cite any written source for what I've stated.
Be Well

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Talker,

Wonderful to be here with you.

Anyone can and many have, worn the mantle of the "Christ Spirit". It is not a special gift or reward, is is a return to ones original state or condition, through Unconditional Love.

I appreciate you sharing these very wise words and I agree with you. For myself it is a return to ones original state or condition, through Unconditional Love expressed in Forgiveness.

To the prime question that will come up, I am unable to cite any written source for what I've stated.

Understood. Namaste.

Many Blessings, Be Well and InJoy this day my Beloved Friend,

Julia

[wavepsychic]

Hi Talker,

Ever so interesting to read through the thoughts expressed here in the forum. Like a small properly shaped stone, sent at a certain angle, and skimming over the pond of water, with many bounces upwards and downwards,until the main energy of the original "throw" is dissipated, causing the stone to finally stop it's forward motion. So many "hits" here,(bounces/skims), and the "touching" only upon the "beginnings of Truth".

Such wise ever flowing words. I am listening to a gentle music playing as I read your words. A cross between a music box & video game sounds. I love to meditate to this stuff.

Namaste?

My Yoga teacher says that!