The Garden of Eden

[juliainkc]

Since we seem to be involved in discussions on looking at things from all different angles I thought it would be interesting to see what we can all add to the tossed salad of this subject. I'll place the bowl on the table and throw in a veggie for thought. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing just drawing a picture on the table, all are welcome to draw on the table as well. No dress codes apply, actually come as you are. I'm wearing sweats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden

Sending out the Invitations,

Julia

[juliainkc]

H mm... Talking out loud and hearing an echo...echo...echo...

This salad is a sad looking salad. H mm. Oh well, what's the expiration date?

I suck at time and dates and such. Just ask my children. MOM!! Do You Know What Today IS!!! Mmmm? Day? Oh, tell me. It's time to add the wild spring mix. You can't just throw in a veggie!! Really!? Who said. Well, Um. I'll get back to you. Well, alright then.

By the way My Beloved Darling Daughters,

Yes Mom?

 I forget. Just do what your doing. Oh Yeah!

What were we doing anyways.

Talking about where Love begins. OH YEAH!! Earthly picture and Spiritual Picture. Shit!!

MOM!! 25 cents in the jar . My God! You are making us rich!!

  You did not say that in public.

Ha. Ha. Oh yes we did.

Well, alright then. Now, Hear this. Look at the physical picture of the Human Heart. It has 4 points of entry and exit that all lead to the Inner Chambers.

Mom? Are you doing that talking to yourself out loud thingy again?

Yes. I am and all the while I hear music.

I love you you both, you so remind me it really is a matter of the heart position. How could I ever re-pay you for this?

Sommer says; kiss kiss on my lips and hugging me, It was never meant to be repaid. Unconditional. H mm... god, still learning the language.

Sara say; Mom, kiss kiss on my lips and hugging me, Remember Gods got your back.

I am in awe of being a student. Who da thunk it?

I love being a child of learning.

So in my own answering as in what is the purpose of you sharing this with me? No purpose at all. I just wanted to whisper Love in your ear.

Are you willing to hear it?

[juliainkc]

Hello Everyone,

I had a wonderful story time this morning while sitting in my Eternal Parents lap, and I liked it so much that I wish to share it. Remember, it's just a story and sometimes in the retelling, things get lost in the translation.

Something I've learned and continue to learn in my life experience in this moment is to hold on loosely to what I may believe about anything in this moment. It is an ongoing process. I have found that when I hold tightly to a belief it stops the process of growth. In holding on loosely I do not stop the process of learning, I trust in the process and realize it is an eternal ongoing learning process. That's how big my God is. So I share something that was shown to me while sitting in my Parents lap this morning and being read a story. It is a Bible story of the Garden of Eden. Here's what I heard:

The Bible is the quintessential 'Fruit' of the Garden of Eden (Gods Innocence Paradise). The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. In our Adamic state we are reduced to dust from this knowledge because it was eaten from an attitude of rebellion. Not really wanting to Know God but to Know more than God to 'over' or 'under' (add or subtract) take or give outside of what God (Parent establishing the 'rules' or dynamics of the household or house 'held') had already established; a Self Sustaining System of Order. This act created deserters. Ones who wanted to add or undermine the Ordained System of Order. Adam and Eve wanted to kick God out of the 'house' and take over. A house that they did not build.

The Bible in essence is a magical fruit. It is a fruit with alchemical properties and is able to maintain one's eternal innocence when eaten with how it was intended to be eaten. Within Love. Wanting to more about one's God not more than. So here we have this fruit showing up again in The Christ.  Jesus just happened to be the physical manifestation of an Enlightened Adam. He showed us how to open this fruit so we could eat it in our returned innocent state and experience it's complete benefits. Life without decay or decomposing.

Because Jesus Knew God and Knew there was more to Know about ones God, (there is no beginning or end to God), he was able to open this fruit and share its sweet contents within with all his brothers and sisters. I just keep trying to skip the opening process. I cannot access this fruit in the original Adamic state. I must return to Love of God in innocence. Complete trust. Once I eat this fruit in my True State, it releases its alchemical properties and is then transformed into the Tree of Life fruit. The fruit of Immortality. Our True State of Perfection. Now I am restored back to my Original State of Being Innocent and able to walk in the Light of the Presence of God in evolving creation. You see, Gods been waiting for me all along right here. Never left, I just threw my hands over my eyes and pretended that because it was dark behind my hands, that God could not see me. Peek a Boo!!

The Christ came to restore, set aright, align the Natural Order of God back into its rightful place. We knocked the lamp over while running outside to play.

Oh well, just doing what I always do. Talking out loud to myself. I really did like this story. I Love happy endings.

Anyone else want to share a story? We could have a campfire and huddle together and roast marshmallow,

Sending Love your way,

Julia

[juliainkc]

Forgive in advance but I seem to be having a thought about all this and lo and behold, during my quiet time, I read something that gave me pause. It referred to Genesis 2:21 - 22. So, I pulled out my Bible and looked it up and noticed Chapter 1:26-27 preceding this referrence to a story in the scriptures.

I emphasize what is forming a question in the reading of this and also by what I read this morning in my metaphysical book. I was being asked to consider something here.

Genesis 1:26 -27 a story of man and woman being made, created in God's image and likeness:

v. 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

v. 27 "God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

The following in Genesis 2:21 - 22 gives this story account to mix in:

v.21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took part of the man's side and closed up the place with flesh.

v.22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the part he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

What follows this episode is the story of the fall of man. Man is now able to make a choice of Who he is listening to. Before this falling deeply asleep and a woman being brought to him by God, Man only listened to God's Voice. How do I know? This story continues on in the next chapter when things seem to go awry just after being put into this deep sleep.

I can assume that he woke up but it doesn't say that anywhere. Is there a scripture I'm not seeing here?

I am asking only for clarity if anyone here will show me where it says Man was awoken from his deep sleep. Am I just believing he woke up because he and eve are moving around and doing things? I move around when I am 'dreaming'. The story now goes into Man being denied something by God and then allowed to separate themselves, by a decision made by choosing to listen to and believing what a serpent says having only ever known being in the Presence Of God, The Source of Origin? H mmm...I'm just not buying this.

The other question I am considering is that in the first account the words used are image and likeness, while in the second story account, flesh is mentioned while man is in a deep sleep. Does that mean that image and likeness have anything to do with flesh? If so where does it say this? I appreciate your sharing your answers. Let me learn from you. I Thank you in advance.

Just thinking out loud..... I am open to learning about these things.

Many Blessings, Be Well and InJoy this day,

Julia

[wavepsychic]

Julia are you talking to yourself? This is Neurotic, I don't understand anything you said to yourself up there. oh well.

The bible isn't the first to talk about the Garden of Eden. It is first in the Ancient Sumerian text. It is believed to be in the Persian Gulf. Since Sumer is the very oldest city found by Archaeologist then it is believed that it is around there. The Jewish bible is only one book that tells of there events.

But no one really knows. Some ever believe that is the Astral world and the apple is a metaphor for Knowledge.

In Truth, Louis

[juliainkc]

Hello wavepsychic,

Thank you for your sharing your sense of humor.

It does seem like talking out loud to myself. Neurotic? H mm.. Not feeling anxious, just curious. My question was where does it actually say Man woke up from the deep sleep. Just asking. I won't lose sleep over it!!

I appreciate your response.

Many Blessings, Be Well and InJoy this evening,

Julia

[melody]

Genesis 1:26 -27 a story of man and woman being made, created in God's image and likeness:

v. 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,...

Hello Julia,

When a painter paints a person he does not reproduce or duplicate the original person-entity but creates an image and likeness. I wonder whether we should take this Bible verse literalily that God replicated himself in Adam, or whether it simply means that God only created an image and likeness of some sort, as a painter does. This image and likeness might have moreover been very symbolical, as what the modern painters do.

Sorry if this confuses the matters even more...

[wavepsychic]

Hi Melody,

When a painter paints a person he does not reproduce or duplicate the original person-entity but creates an image and likeness. I wonder whether we should take this Bible verse literalily that God replicated himself in Adam, or whether it simply means that God only created an image and likeness of some sort, as a painter does. This image and likeness might have moreover been very symbolical, as what the modern painters do.

Adrian already talks about this all the time. He says it everywhere, it seems to be very important to him that we know what this means. You shouldn't be asking about this. Open "Our Ultimate Reality" and reread "the true nature of god". Its one of the first chapters. In case it doesn't say it there, we were created in the image of the creator from its imagination as Immortal Spirits that create. Everything is equal to the whole of the universe.

[zensunni7]

Genesis is a composition of four stories of creation.
Try the " Lost Books of The Bible " it picks up dam and Eve after they leave the Garden.

WithIn Love

Darrell

[juliainkc]

Good Evening Melody, Louis and Darrell,

Thank you all for answering. I was looking at the first account regarding likeness and image of God and then read in the second account that while Adam was deep asleep he was then covered in flesh. Noticing the sequence, while it does mention a deep sleep nothing is said about Adam waking up. So was the whole serpent, eat the apple thing just a dream? Oh well.

Forgive the confusion. I enjoyed all your responses. Thank you Darrell, I appreciate the recommendation.

Many Blessings, Be Well and InJoy this evening,

Julia

[melody]

Everything is equal to the whole of the universe.

Hello Wavepsychic,

Is a rock equal to the whole of the universe? Can it therefore also create, since the universe creates and recreates all the time? The rock was also created by God. Since God is everythin there is, he is also the rock and he therefore also created a rock in his own image. The rock is made out of dust. The only difference there appears to be between us and the rock is that he gave us a breath of life. But he also gave it to animals. Are animals created in the image of God, because they are also part of God?

There is nothing wrong with asking any questions. In the last newsletter Adrian urged us to think for ourselves... 

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Melody,

There is nothing wrong with asking any questions. In the last newsletter Adrian urged us to think for ourselves...

I heartily agree regarding asking questions. Children are wonderful examples of this. It naturally leads us all to ask the 'bigger' questions. Life is interesting and meant to be enjoyed.

My granddaughter asked to look at the inside of the human heart the other evening. It was interesting because it showed the 'inner' chambers. I once read that the Garden and Eden were two different places. The garden being 'outside' and Eden being contained inside. I could see an example of this by observing this picture. It was interesting to look at.

Everyone here has valuable contributions and a purpose in Being here.

I appreciate your contributions, it enlarges my view.

Many Blessings, Be Well and InJoy this day,

Julia

[melody]

I was looking ... that while Adam was deep asleep he was then covered in flesh. Noticing the sequence, while it does mention a deep sleep nothing is said about Adam waking up. So was the whole serpent, eat the apple thing just a dream? Oh well.

Hello Julia,

Maybe it is simply understood that Adam was put to sleep for the rib removal procedure and he woke up naturally from it as from any other sleep, so it was not necessary to mention that he woke up.

It is said that Adam himself chose the word Woman after God brought Eve unto him, so he was no longer asleep after the rib-removal procedure:

Gen 2:22  And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gen 2:23  And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

God also blessed them and spoke to them (which means neither of them were asleep as they had to listen to what God said):

Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29  And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30  And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Moreover

Gen 2:25  And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

They were not asleep as they were naked but not ashamed.

It is only after all that that the serpent is introduced in Geneses 3. It is clear from the text that Adam was not asleep at that point. He already named Eve with a word Woman, and they were blessed and spoken to by God, and they were not ashamed to be naked, though they saw each other’s nakedness.

Bible does mention biblical personages having a dream. But it does not say so about Adam. Moreover, the chronology of events in the Bible as pointed above would exclude the serpent event as being just a dream for Adam.

[wavepsychic]

Hi Everyone,

Thank you all for answering. I was looking at the first account regarding likeness and image of God and then read in the second account that while Adam was deep asleep he was then covered in flesh. Noticing the sequence, while it does mention a deep sleep nothing is said about Adam waking up. So was the whole serpent, eat the apple thing just a dream? Oh well.

It could be that Adams Deep sleep is incarnation. Because he ate knowledge he was covered in flesh and alive. He would wake up when he dies from the physical but if he isn't fully awakened then he must reincarnate.

Is a rock equal to the whole of the universe? Can it therefore also create, since the universe creates and recreates all the time? The rock was also created by God. Since God is everythin there is, he is also the rock and he therefore also created a rock in his own image. The rock is made out of dust. The only difference there appears to be between us and the rock is that he gave us a breath of life. But he also gave it to animals. Are animals created in the image of God, because they are also part of God?

Yes, every atom is created in the image of the creator. I said before in other post I hate the word god, and when people call it a he. The Tao is perfect in every way so it would not think of itself as more important then anything else. It just can't. It thinks of everything as equal to it even if humans don't think rocks are there equals.

There is nothing wrong with asking any questions. In the last newsletter Adrian urged us to think for ourselves...

I agree too, I didn't mean to apply that you shouldn't. I'm a philosopher so I ask myself lots of questions, then get the answers later. Its like my mind is subconsciously thinking about my questions. The answers always come later, its almost like I'm naturally using the law of attraction on answers.

Maybe it is simply understood that Adam was put to sleep for the rib removal procedure and he woke up naturally from it as from any other sleep, so it was not necessary to mention that he woke up.

Some people believe that Adam may have been put to sleep by extraterrestrials like for surgery. Maybe that was to clone him as a women so he could reproduce for the Aliens. This might sound spacey but it makes more sense then god performing surgery or cloning. Why can't god just make someone from more dust? Is the dust amino acid? The Tao created everything through causation (evolution). It doesn't matter to the creator if humans ever lived, just as long as spirits incarnate as something. For instance the creator doesn't make people look a particular way, Aliens exist because spirits want to incarnate as them. If all dinosaur spirits no long wish to incarnate as dinosaurs then they would become extinct.

[melody]

It could be that Adams Deep sleep is incarnation. Because he ate knowledge he was covered in flesh and alive. He would wake up when he dies from the physical but if he isn't fully awakened then he must reincarnate.

Adam was actually first made alive, then his wound was covered with flesh, and only then did he eat of the fruit of knowledge.

Some people believe that Adam may have been put to sleep by extraterrestrials like for surgery. Maybe that was to clone him as a women so he could reproduce for the Aliens. This might sound spacey but it makes more sense then god performing surgery or cloning. Why can't god just make someone from more dust? Is the dust amino acid?

It does sound strange that God would first create a being and then maim it - remove a part of him. There is no mention in the Bible that God had to maim in the similar fashion male animals to create their mates.

The whole procedure with the removal of the rib and covering the hole with flesh sounds very clinical and surgical to be a spontaneous creation of the force of Nature - God. This could easily be an account of us being tempered with.

Maybe the reference to dust signifies that the man was created with the elements of this planet.