The Childrens Thread ~

[Adrian]

Dear Darrell,

My experiences are remarkably similar relative to children.

We can also consciously communicate with very young children telepathically, long before they understand language, because telepathy is our true mode of communication beyond Earth. It could be on Earth as well for that matter. But babies do not have the layers of blocks that they can develop with age.  Often mothers sense the needs of their babies before a baby cries for example.

My experience was similar to yours. I left to live on this small island when my oldest son was 4 months old, because I knew it was the right thing to do, and circumstances brought me here. I have never regretted the decision one iota. I love all my family of course, but at the same time, watching from afar the dramas involving my 6 nephews and nieces I know it was the right decision.

As for books and other crucial knowledge - Divine Providence ensures their survival. The RC church went to great lengths for example to completely destroy the Mayan codices and all other aspects of their culture, but here we are today with a high level of knowledge and understanding of the Mayan legacy.

The Lost Book of Nostradamus, which tells of the iminent downfally of the Pope and RC church was sent to the Vatican archives and scheduled to be burned, but it escaped that fate and was liberated at the most relevant point in history. Those archives must cintain a treasure trove of mystical, metaphysical, esoteric and occult literature.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
 

[zensunni7]

Dear Adrian and All

Good morning, I trust everyone is well and happy today ~

Our experiences with children sound very similar.  I recall being in a sound sleep and my eyes would just open, and I learned to just ' wait for it ' as in a few seconds I would hear one of them stirring and in need of something. It was called " Mother's Intuition " when I was growing up, but is obviously not exclusive to women.
I had read that in some North American tribes, mothers that allowed their children to soil themselves were considered bad mothers and shunned until they could develop a close enough bond with their infants to know when they were going to relieve themselves before they soiled themselves.
I desired to have this type of connection and began to focus on it, using all the tools available. I was quite amazed at the ease and depth one connect to their children. But as you say Adrian, this is a natural state for children and Human Beings should they choose it into adult life. Viewing these connections as ordinary was the first step to making them a part of our family's everyday life.

After leaving my family, I severed ties to them,as drama was their life blood. A choice many criticized me for, but yet I knew it was the correct one. The deciding moment was when my brother in law called his seven year old son a horrifically obscene name for being impatient in front of my children. It was an ' aha ' moment for me, and the choice was made. Due to circumstances many men have raised their children, yet I desired more, as you seemed to have Adrian.
I desired passionately to exceed the closeness of most parents I had observed. It was both practical and spiritually sound in my mind and heart, it created heartmind.
Just one guiding chakra - if you will.

I was raised Roman Catholic - I am well aware of their claim to the world and their never ceasing agendas to accomplish it. Catholic schools were indoctrination centers, where we were taught blatantly we were better than non-catholic's and it was our duty to be better, to take pity on the unenlightened and set the bar for their conversion to Jesus Christ their Lord and savior - or rot in hell - your choice.
Dear Mother church rules from the seat of Caesar for good reason, as you say she is the relic of Roman rule. The Vatican holds treasure beyond wealth in its belly of books and manuscripts that would enlighten the world but she will die before releasing it. Fortunately there are always free thinkers even within her ranks. I learned early on that there are very sincere God loving spiritually mature people within her rank and file, and their spiritual energy could be felt powerfully.
I agree Constantine created the church to bring all his conquered people under one rule and did so quite successfully. The conversion of the Romans to Christianity was one of shifting ruling ideals with the same agenda of domination.
Yet the desire to dominate by imperial brutality doesn't amaze, the way so many accept it does. Even in today's world, acceptance of insanity is still mind boggling to me. America is becoming such a nation, and we will vote it in by virtue of ' our best interest '

Our children will be the ones to take us into this new world I feel, from five to twenty five will release this potential you mentioned. The adult population of this planet remain segmented from government to spiritual beliefs, we cannot agree on anything as some of the threads here prove openly. It is a child's mind that understands the power of unity. Adults need two buildings to fall on them before they unite in a single purpose and common intent.
A child use their imagination with laser focus in an instant, read to them and they are not just listening, they there, in the book using the mind sense to feel it, smell, taste, touch it is all there for them  because they have not learned senses are seven and not one.

WithIn Love to All

Darrell

[kendar]

Hi All,
I have a lot respect for all of you guys. Some of you are opening their hearts for the very first time in regards to the issue of ones children. I respect this. I also accept the fact that there are some issues about ones children one would rather keep under raps. This one is expected.

I however, wish to state as follows;-
I have three grown up kids.  All are still staying with me; the oldest being 28 years old.   They listen to their mother a lot than to me; very good for mothers (Julia?). I have tried getting them to understand these spiritual understandings, more so the LOA, (not that  I understand it fully myself) without success.

What wrong am I doing or how should I go about it?

Peace and Love to you All.

Kenda

[Adrian]

Dear Kendar,

I have tried getting them to understand these spiritual understandings, more so the LOA, (not that  I understand it fully myself) without success.

What wrong am I doing or how should I go about it?

You are doing nothing wrong and everything right. The greatest love a parent can give their children is to show them who they really are and how to realise their full potential and mission on Earth.

But as the saying goes: "You can lead a horse to water, but not get them to drink".

If a person is ready for these truths they will be driven from within seek for themselves, but can still use guidance. If they are not ready, as millions are not, then we must respect that and leave them to gain experience in their own way until they are ready.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[zensunni7]

Dear one and All,

Get them to listen with their eyes.
As Adrian wisely said - horse to water -

Be what you want to show them, to get them to understand. They will want to know how you are doing the miraculous things in and with your own life.
Then words will come into play with them.
But again Adrian is correct, they will drink when they get thirsty enough.

WithIn Love
Darrell

[tessa]

Hi Kendar,

I am 32 and it is only in the past year or so that I have really started to look into such spiritual matters, only in fact since I became a mother myself.  Up until then I guess it was not my time, I have always had a curious mind and studied Philosophy at university but this somehow escaped me.  All I can say is that when it is their time and they seek the truth for themselves they will know where to come (you) and you will be there for them.

My brother has been ahead of me for some time on this, I remember when he was explaining astral projection to me and I was really worried about him thinking that he was going to get possessed or something, now I know he is there to offer me help and advice when I need it. I think how frustrated by me he must have been at the time but now we enjoy talking together sharing thoughts and experiences.

When they are ready they will come to you, in the meantime Darrell's suggestion of living your life as you wish to teach them is an excellent one.

Take care

Tessa

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Kenda and All,

Posted by: kendar 
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Hi All,
I have a lot respect for all of you guys. Some of you are opening their hearts for the very first time in regards to the issue of ones children. I respect this. I also accept the fact that there are some issues about ones children one would rather keep under raps. This one is expected.

I however, wish to state as follows;-
I have three grown up kids.  All are still staying with me; the oldest being 28 years old.   They listen to their mother a lot than to me; very good for mothers (Julia?). I have tried getting them to understand these spiritual understandings, more so the LOA, (not that  I understand it fully myself) without success.

What wrong am I doing or how should I go about it?

Peace and Love to you All.

Kenda

I'm not familiar with whether or not you were able to be with your children and participate in their parenting as much as their mother while they were growing. It seems that children can have 'selective' hearing much like us! I wish to encourage you that whether we realize it or not, they are listening.

Children do learn by example especially the Energy we are focusing into our living. While they may imitate our 'seen' behaviors, they are observing and sensing the 'attitudes' we have about ourselves and others which our behaviors result from. The 'unseen' examples we are revealing. Am I peaceful about life? Am I stressed out about life? Am I responding in a loving attitude or being judgmental?

My experiences as a parent in particular here, as a mother began with learning patience. Patience by realizing that my children's well-being was far more important than having the house cleaned to 'perfection' and having everything 'just so'.

As they grew and began to make decisions for themselves, I have learned and continue to learn to allow them what I would ask and allow for myself. To be able to decide for themself, and yes, fall down, pick themself up, dust off and keep on keeping on. My Love offered no matter what. This comes through loud and clear especially when they do or say something that to my view of the picture, hurts, disappoints, angers, or 'seems' wrong to me, (I do not necessarily have 'all' the details). My opportunity to choose again what leads me and them to Peace based on a Love that is 100% acceptance based.

My biggest lesson so far has been to learn acceptance. Acceptance of 'What is'. As I continue to learn this acceptance lesson, my Actions based on My Mind based on My Heart align into a State of Peace. Total acceptance.

The more my children and grandchildren sense the 'atmosphere' of Peace, I have noticed, they have it naturally as well and it seems to grow and flow into their daily living from this State of Being as it does mine. It grows an All is Well attitude and way of living.

Practically, I just left my 'books' and materials out where they could 'see' it and they naturally are curious and will take a 'peek' at it. I also was blessed with a perpetual calendar that shares deep and profound thoughts to shift the way one's thoughts are focused. They have read this calendar for 12 years as it sits right in front of my kitchen sink on the window altar I have set up. First thing in the morning thing.

Just sharing and hope it will allow you to relax and just be Kenda, They see you

Love to you and All, InJoy this day,

Julia
 

[kendar]

Hi All,
Thanks so much for your insightful words. I sure am very encouraged. Please do continue the good (judgment) work

I read somewhere that if one has something to be done, either one does it themselves, employs someone else to do it for them or tells his/her children NOT to do it. If this is so, at what age does this result into NO action from ones children?

Peace & Love to All.

Kendar

[zensunni7]

Good morning

I am not clear and what you are asking Kendar. It feels like frustration though.
I recall you said your one child was still living at home at 28. My children have moved in with me at times and regrouped their lives, but they basically have been on their own since their early twenties.
I didn't apply the reverse psychology you mentioned with them ~ we were a large family and large family's learn to work together early on I think. They all had chores to do and I did not pay them allowances,I told them " when I get the check for what I do around here, I'll split it with all of you."  I did however pay them for extra work they did.
I taught them that their chores came under the category of Love, not work. People that love one another and themselves take care of themselves and each other.
I am not saying here it didn't take constant monitoring to get the chores done.
Cutting the grass was my eldest sons chore and it was a chore for me to get him to do it - he came home from school once and found the lawn mower in his room " hint - hint !!!! "
I learned to stop reacting to these problems and developed the art of response. I could say no and not get into debates and arguments, it was better to stand firm in my choices rather than to argue my point. I respected the emotions of my children but drama was slowly taken out of the equation of family dynamics.
Even with teens who are drama queens regardless of sex, not reacting to their emotional surges made things cool down much more quickly.
When my kids were young, I was still learning all the things that we discuss here, so they watched the transition in me. Perhaps this was more educational for them, perhaps not. I never did decide.
But I just knew the ways I was raised and many of my friends was not working anymore. So I told my children all through our life together " I am new at this too, I am a new parent, your new kids, so were in this together. I don't have all the answers, all I can promise you is I am searching and trying them out as we go."

WithIn Love
Darrell

[Adrian]

Dear Darell,

I can totally relate to your experiences.

During the now 14 years I have raised my three sons totally alone, each phase in their growth has brought very different challenges which I was able to overcome, as I am sure did you and during the process I also learned.

When my wife and I separated 14 years ago - totally amicably I might add - when our relations found out that I was looking after our children the reaction was unbelievable - like the world had come to an end - not because they doubted me but because of the archetypal programming that the mother is the only one capable of raising children.  I should say their attitude soon changed, and now I think I have assumed - unwillingly - hero status The whole family and everyone else says how well balanced my children are as well as high achievers, which comes as no surprise to me of course having taken on the challenges presented to me for a reason, given them my all, and prevailed.

Teenage years, especially three of them one year apart, are a whole different challenge as I am discovering now. As I face these challenges I continually find out more about myself - as well as teenagers of course - which I gladly accept.

Above all I remember that they are Divine Spirits with freewill to learn by experience. Much though I would like to guide and steer them towards the "right" decisions and attitudes, to so so I know I will be inflicting upon them my own ideas of what is acceptable or not. This can be very painful as nonintervention often means I have to stand back and watch them make painful mistakes which I know I could have prevented if I had controlled them, and banned them from certain routes. But in the longhorn I know it is for the best, and they know it is because I Love them as Spiritual Beings embarking on a physical experience. Obviously I would not let them do anything dangerous or illegal - not that they would anyway.

I am sure there are plenty of experiences ahead, but I accept them all as aspects of my own growth and the growth of my children.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.




 

[zensunni7]

Dear Adrian,

Your pride in your sons shines through, as it well should.
When I raised my children as the sole caretaker of them, my life was strange indeed. I knew I would face alot of criticism and did. Yet I knew in my heart that I was doing what I being guided to do. I was also doing what I wanted to. There was never a duty in my life I relished more.
I was searching for the reason for my passionate desire to experience God, to the reason I was driven to read until late into the nights. It all became clear in the morning as the little bodies rose and could not wait to just live in that day.
You moved to your island and I to the country. We were not running away from anything, but running to, to a new manhood, one that was more complete - whole.

I recall a dream I had early into it all, seeing the parting of a sea as in the Moses story of the red sea. I stood in an abyss between two huge walls of water, but in the water were faces, men on one side and women the other, and all I saw was the road in the middle between them. It felt as if I should feel lonely and out of place, but I felt strong and confident somehow.

I always told my kids " I do not own you, you don't belong to me. You belong to God and your own lives." and I meant it.
There is not a day in my life when I do not re-member to the days when they were all small and in glory just being alive and running for the woods, the creek and with imaginations wide open.
I love them as adults, yet I am grateful beyond descriptions to be able to re-member to them as such lights in my life. To have thee memories I have and the experiences I shared, it was the experience of and with God I always sought, right there in front of me all the time.

Some people see parenthood as a chore, a list of things to be done in a day, some as a blessing to be cherished. To me it was Sacred ground and Sacred work.
Perhaps the work I came here for. But all in all I would not change a thing.

I am proud of the choices I made, and they sound easy, but it is the hardest concentration of effort I ever put forth, to change the programming in my DNA from my forefathers who were turning over in their graves.
It took courageous resolve to not be ' come to my senses ' and return to the life I was living before this. I managed a food distribution warehouse with two hundred employees, and it was a piece of cake in comparison. There was always a manual to refer to, a co-worker to share the heavy choices with, a meeting to resolve issues and troubles.

There seems to be this tendency in us to say ' I know this will be hard ' before we start something new. We brace for the difficulties in anticipation of them before we actually know. Even in our quest to be one with our Source, we have layed a difficult path of ' work ' to be done and predestined it to be hard and arduous.
There are always friends and relatives, strangers and guides telling us how hard it all is.
But as it turned out - it was not hard at all - because I love it.
I came to realize in hindsight, even running a huge warehouse wasn't hard, it was just designed for self creating problems to make one feel it had been a ' good days work ' for what good are managers and supervisors if there is no crisis to resolve?

I never answered the question " how do you do it? " I never thought it relevant to the focus of Loving them finding the way through the days and keeping us warm and safe in the night.
We talk here of what is right to eat, to believe, to do for our children and ourselves, and the answer is realizing Love is not an emotion - it is what we live by.

WithIn Love
Darrell

Darrell

[Adrian]

Dear Darrell,

Your experiences closely mirror mine.

As an aside, on the subject of ancestors, many cultures including the Native Americans for example are convinced that we must protect ourselves from deceased ancestors.

While this might seem to be a local folklore there is substanceas well. When our physical ancestors pass on they still have a deep Love for and interest in those still physicall living, still believing that they know best, particularly when it comes to the raising of children. They might therefore endeavour to inflict their will on physical relatives through the power of the Mind which is much more obvious in the Astral.

I guess this is why thee cultures devote so much time to rituals which are designed to appease the ancestors.

My own children know their freedom as well, but at the same time children of this age still have not gathered the necessary life experiences - only ever knowing school outside of the home - to make the appropriate decisions. So gentle guidance is needed.

I have never seen parenthood as a chore, but, as with yourself, something with which are blessed.

Many people have asked me how I manage what I do which seems "superhuman" to them and say so. But I never think of my situation in that way, but rather one to be cherished and enjoyed in the Eternal Moment of Now. I have never felt "pressured" in any way.

I agree with you - it is never hard to do the things that we Love and are passionate about.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
 

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Kendar,

Hi All,
Thanks so much for your insightful words. I sure am very encouraged. Please do continue the good (judgment) work

I read somewhere that if one has something to be done, either one does it themselves, employs someone else to do it for them or tells his/her children NOT to do it. If this is so, at what age does this result into NO action from ones children?

Peace & Love to All.

Kendar

I found it helpful to ask my children a question in response to a question, "So what are you going to do about it?" "What are you 'hearing' here?"

And yes, at first they balked. But now my children are 28 and 26 years of age, and they are quite the independent ones! I shared with them in the adolescent years that I desired for them to be independent not codependent so that they would always be the 'owners of their own lives and responsible for their decisions not someone elses.' This is the way to Being free, your freedom, I said. They did not understand this at the time and some of their decisions made this obvious however, as uncomfortable as this was for me, 'in the long run' it has paid off. Truth. It pays off. The harvest of this does manifest.

Our greatest gift is to live our life in Honest and Open nakedness and allow them to 'see' us not just fall down, but get up, dust ourselves off and keep on keeping on. Oh, remove the stones and pebbles on the path for another so they do not have to step and stumble on them. Do unto others....

Just sharing, I hope this benefits you Kendar,

InJoy this day, Love to you and all, Always,

Julia

[Kailaurius]

I found it helpful to ask my children a question in response to a question, "So what are you going to do about it?" "What are you 'hearing' here?"

Hi juliankc,

Thank you for that.  I don't ask my children that as much as I feel I should, but since you mentioned it I know what I will ask the next time the situation calls for it, and believe me it WILL, hehe.  My kids are 15, 13, 11, and 4, and not lacking in strong will and personality.   

[zensunni7]

Greetings All,

Excellent point Julia, ask the child!
I forgot I use to say to them " well - you brought me a problem all right, did you bring a possible solution? What are your idea's on this? "

I was often amazed at the creativity of them regarding their own problems. They usually had an idea, but I learned they didn't feel free to act unless they had approval.
I am with you, independent kids are happier. They don't ' need us ' but if they are in your life, you know it is because they still choose to be.

WithIn Love
Darrell