The Buddha is in Hell?!

[Wave Of Love]

This Monk died for three days and claims he was in Hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5vAOkxe540

I don't understand. Siddhartha cared about the suffering of people and Jesus didn't come yet! I'm not saying Hell isn't real but why did Jesus/God not come sooner to save the Buddha? God is sovereign over all things and he predestines who goes to heaven. Something is very wrong here. Why is the road to hell broad and the read to heaven so narrow with a all powerful loving God? Also a lot of people or most people do not believe in Jesus simply because they do not know based on evidence that Jesus and Hell are real. Why doesn't Jesus give more people proof. This monk isn't saved by faith he's saved because he was shown Hell exists.

On Hell: Most people here if not everyone here believes in the after life. You believe in a Astral body, the ability to feel pleasure so it only makes sense that this Astral body could feel pain as well. Probably a great deal of pain since we already know the Astral body experiences are more real then the limited physical body. This is very alarming. If hell is indeed real its painful beyond imagination! Most people here are also very compassionate. We do not want to believe that their are untold trillions in Hell suffering and feeling pain in every part of their Astral being.

One lady got a vision of a rock star that killed himself. He was screaming and his face was melting and then his face reformed and the pain continued. Do we want hell to be real? No. but is it real?

Let's look at our after life possibilities.

1. Nothing happens. It's as if your asleep and you are no longer aware or Conscious.

2. You either go to Heaven or Hell. Pretty scary.

3. You reunite with the Oneness and loose individual identity.

4. You go to some mysterious Astral plane somewhere dictated by your mind.

5. You reincarnate and become a physical person again. You may or may not get to choose your body or life.

6. You live as a ghost confined to the place where you died.

We have a case where a man died for a week and came back to life. He claims he doesn't remember anything during that weak.

We have this case of the monk that went to Hell and never even heard about this before.

We have a case where a child went to heaven and met Jesus.

We have cases where children remember their past lives and go back and live with their previous families.

We have cases where people die and see their loved ones after walking through a tunnel.

We have cases where people die of tragic deaths and loved ones see them in photo graphs as Ghosts.

Jesus why all this confusion? We can't we just know the truth?!

[Minalora]

Hey Louis


Watch this movie I have a feeling you will like it - this is part 1 you have to click on all as they come  @http://youtu.be/KD5UDY2JoCI

xo

[Wave Of Love]

Melody what does that movie have to do with anything? And no i don't think I'd like it.

[juliainkc]

Louis,

Per your question about Siddartha, I would have to ask you a few questions first before being able to have a conversation with you on this subject.

Are you listing out your spiritual beliefs in your post here? I am genuinely asking.

Do you think you are a good person?

Who is Jesus Christ to you?

Do you personally believe in a heaven and a hell?

If you were to die, where would you go?

And if what you are currently believing isn't true, would you want to know?

This Monk died for three days and claims he was in Hell.

@http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5vAOkxe540

I don't understand. Siddhartha cared about the suffering of people and Jesus didn't come yet! I'm not saying Hell isn't real but why did Jesus/God not come sooner to save the Buddha? God is sovereign over all things and he predestines who goes to heaven. Something is very wrong here. Why is the road to hell broad and the read to heaven so narrow with a all powerful loving God? Also a lot of people or most people do not believe in Jesus simply because they do not know based on evidence that Jesus and Hell are real. Why doesn't Jesus give more people proof. This monk isn't saved by faith he's saved because he was shown Hell exists.

On Hell: Most people here if not everyone here believes in the after life. You believe in a Astral body, the ability to feel pleasure so it only makes sense that this Astral body could feel pain as well. Probably a great deal of pain since we already know the Astral body experiences are more real then the limited physical body. This is very alarming. If hell is indeed real its painful beyond imagination! Most people here are also very compassionate. We do not want to believe that their are untold trillions in Hell suffering and feeling pain in every part of their Astral being.

One lady got a vision of a rock star that killed himself. He was screaming and his face was melting and then his face reformed and the pain continued. Do we want hell to be real? No. but is it real?

Let's look at our after life possibilities.

1. Nothing happens. It's as if your asleep and you are no longer aware or Conscious.

2. You either go to Heaven or Hell. Pretty scary.

3. You reunite with the Oneness and loose individual identity.

4. You go to some mysterious Astral plane somewhere dictated by your mind.

5. You reincarnate and become a physical person again. You may or may not get to choose your body or life.

6. You live as a ghost confined to the place where you died.

We have a case where a man died for a week and came back to life. He claims he doesn't remember anything during that weak.

We have this case of the monk that went to Hell and never even heard about this before.

We have a case where a child went to heaven and met Jesus.

We have cases where children remember their past lives and go back and live with their previous families.

We have cases where people die and see their loved ones after walking through a tunnel.

We have cases where people die of tragic deaths and loved ones see them in photo graphs as Ghosts.

Jesus why all this confusion? We can't we just know the truth?!

[Minalora]

Hello Louis,



I like this video explaining the deeper understanding of Jesus
@http://youtu.be/it7ePAM1yaw

Blessings

[Charlie]

@wave, I guess its not Melody that has said you watch a movie rather its Mina-Laura. Pls, always make sure you know who has responded before you reply.

[melody]

Wave, please do not confuse me with Laura...

For all there is to function with a precision of a clock  - the planets orbiting around the sun, the seasons changing one after other, for  a baby developing from a joining of two cells – there has to be one central organizing principle since all such processes take place without conscious effort or thought. The one single organizing and creative principle of all there is is God, and not an individual’s Mind, or wish, or Higher Self which do not act under the direct power and command of God.

There are two kinds of beings in all there is. Those that accepted God as Lord, as the highest organizing principle of all that is. They submit to that organizing principle to do the will of God. And then there are those that say that they by themselves are the organizing principle and act from their Mind, not submitting to the Mind of God as the sole organizing power of all that is.

The physical reality is ours. But beings live in different planes: angels - those of God, and the fallen ones - demons and seducing spirits who believe in their own divinity and their own mind power. Both categories of angels, the God’s and the fallen ones have access to our physical world but we do not see them, though they can influence us and even protect us (those under God).

Those of pagan believes who do not accept God as the highest authority of all there  is open themselves wide to the influence of the fallen and demonic beings, who know everything about them, most likely more than a person knows about himself. This influence also directly affects people’s offsprings. The forces of darkness are intent for people to brake the God’s commandments, to brake the family ties. So this is how they can possess a young child conveying to him a story of another child’s life, thus breaking the bonds with his own parents, so the child will brake the commandment of honoring his father and his mother.

[juliainkc]

Regarding the video posted earlier about Elizabeth Clare-Prophet;

@http://www.thoughts.com/QuickHitGondolin/most-cunning-of-cults-church-universal-

@http://www.religionnewsblog.com/22869/church-universal-and-triumphant

@http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/prophecy/23/Essays/Cults.htm


These are the days my friends, that we really must be very careful with what we are embracing as the Truth.

Take extra care in listening or reading what they are saying and how their own actions line up with what they tell others, they 'need' to be doing.

2 Timothy 3:1-7

'But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.'

1 John 4:1

'Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try (test or approve) the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.'

[juliainkc]

What has stood out to me as I have been looking into the Bible and turned around from all the other ways of my looking into other paths of spirituality, is that the Bible does address our most controversial questions such as;

How did the universe come into existence? Is there a God? If so, what is God like? Why does mankind exist? What is our purpose for being here? Why is there evil and suffering in the world? And what happens to us when we die?

While other ways speak of these things as well, they leave out answering the questions about God. God as being a Personal Being.

The Bible doesn't leave these questions up in the air, or up to us in making up our own reasons that suits our fancies, to help ease our conscience. The words written in the Bible, tend to prick our conscience and what this does is gives us a choice. Do I believe this and turn towards God, or ignore it and find something else that makes me feel more comfortable...run away from God.

From where I am now, I see how this idea of looking around for something else more spiritually suitable that allowed me to feel more comfortable, did not in the long term. It did erase that little doubt in the back of mind for awhile, yet a seed remained that I was avoiding something, now I know, it was Someone ... I know you know what I am speaking about here. And in time, we can either flat out harden our self to it, by continuously ignoring the pricks of our conscience, and from the very first moment of speaking out loud against God, usually by cursing Him, and the other way by running away and burying our heads in the sand hoping these pricks of our conscience will just go away...like placing our hands over our eyes and ears...

Yet, even these approaches still lead us to looking for any other way to justify our freewill choice of deciding we are right in denying that God is Real, by forcing our attention to focus more upon accomplishments, especially philanthropic ones, as the doing of good deeds in order to validate our 'goodness' of character, and that we are moral agents. To appease our own conscience, by being able to look to these things as our 'evidence'.

Regarding what happens to us when we die;

The Bible teaches resurrection and judgement, not reincarnation (1 Corinthians 15:12-49; John 11:25-26; Hebrews 9:27-28).

This Monk died for three days and claims he was in Hell.

@http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5vAOkxe540

I don't understand. Siddhartha cared about the suffering of people and Jesus didn't come yet! I'm not saying Hell isn't real but why did Jesus/God not come sooner to save the Buddha? God is sovereign over all things and he predestines who goes to heaven. Something is very wrong here. Why is the road to hell broad and the read to heaven so narrow with a all powerful loving God? Also a lot of people or most people do not believe in Jesus simply because they do not know based on evidence that Jesus and Hell are real. Why doesn't Jesus give more people proof. This monk isn't saved by faith he's saved because he was shown Hell exists.

Louis, the monk was saved by faith because even though he was shown that Hell does indeed exist, he had to make the choice himself to accept in faith that what God has said to mankind was true and that Jesus is Who He says He is. Faith is not a forced decision, it never is. This monk reveals that even though he had never heard about anything remotely related to God and Jesus Christ while he was alive, he knew when he saw these things that God was real, and everything he had 'experienced' as being true while alive was false. This monk knew the difference. He wasn't forced to share these things, he was told to, but the choice was his.

You as many of us have and do speak of God as how can a loving God make the way to Him so narrow. Let's reason here Louis. It's narrow because it leaves no room for making error. It's not meant to lead to false gods, but to the One True God. And One leaves no room for many. True or False. Anything false cancels out Truth. Truth cancels out false. The two cannot co-exist together.

On Hell: Most people here if not everyone here believes in the after life. You believe in a Astral body, the ability to feel pleasure so it only makes sense that this Astral body could feel pain as well. Probably a great deal of pain since we already know the Astral body experiences are more real then the limited physical body. This is very alarming. If hell is indeed real its painful beyond imagination! Most people here are also very compassionate. We do not want to believe that their are untold trillions in Hell suffering and feeling pain in every part of their Astral being.

One lady got a vision of a rock star that killed himself. He was screaming and his face was melting and then his face reformed and the pain continued. Do we want hell to be real? No. but is it real?

This answer will have to be determined by every individual. No one can make the choice to believe if hell is real for another. What I ask all to consider is that since we have been told that hell exists or we would have no idea of there being one, are you willing to risk being wrong about believing it isn't real? If it is...



Jesus why all this confusion? We can't we just know the truth?!
[/quote]


The Bible gives us the reason for all this confusion Louis;

2 Corinthians 4

Therefore, since through God’s mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God.

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.

But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us. We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.

We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body. For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body. So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.

It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.” Since we have that same spirit of faith, we also believe and therefore speak,  because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you to himself.

All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God.

Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal."


All other teachers were made divine and 'ascended' masters by man, not by God. Only Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son of God.

May you give deep consideration to these things and come into the knowledge of The Truth, which Jesus said He is. He never said he was 'a' way to the truth of eternal life. He said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, The Life, and no man comes unto the Father but by me."

And a Bengali monk found this out for himself to be true. And who said miracles aren't happening now in this modern day?

That is a genuine miracle,  because it happened in a remote part of this world, and not by some evangelical tv preacher. And the Bible actually says that we are placed exactly where we are to be in order to hear the gospel message. God is a God of order.

It is the Spirit of God that calls us and makes us alive, and not by the workings of human hands.

We don't know the truth Louis because we keep turning away from it and turning towards teachings that 'tickle' our ears, that appease our conscience but do not cleanse our conscience...

It all comes down to this; now that you have heard about Jesus, what are you going to do with Him?

God is obviously taking care of the universe and all His creation, and right now, He is asking you this question.

You in faith decide to believe it or reject it. It's always been a matter of one choice.

Where are you placing your faith into the most?

Faith in God and what He has said through Jesus His Son, or faith in man ~

~♥~

[aspect]

Wave,

You should be reading the scriptures for yourself. These are very important matters that you should not leave to hearsay.

Jesus told the story about Lazarus and a rich man. The rich man died and went to hell. Look it up for yourself. It is in the gospel. Find out what the rich man said. Compare that to Lazarus. Do this, and read it for yourself and think about the implications.

The New Testament clearly answers all the questions you have raised. Jesus went to hell and preached the gospel. He did this while He was in the grave, after His death but before His resurrection.

The letter to the Ephesians says, "He led captivity captive" that is to say, He led those who were imprisoned in hell, who were captives of death, and led them out in His resurrection and they ascended with Him.

The gospels make it clear that when Jesus died, there was a great earthquake and that many graves were broken open and many of the dead were resurrected and spoke to other people who saw them.

You think you would be God's judge, and yet you do not even read the evidence for yourself. You have no idea of how MERCIFUL God is, and at the same time how FEARSOME He is. Stop making yourself out to be His judge and submit yourself to His teaching and you will know the truth.

Read, study, educate yourself. Take your eternal destiny seriously.

God loves you more than you can ever fathom.

aspect

[Wave Of Love]

This is the first time I've been back to my post. In my frustration after Laura tried to get me to watch some irrelevant movie with sucky actors I called her Melody on accident. I knew it wasn't Melody.

I'm still not sure of my question because it has two parts. The other part being that God is sovereign over all so he decides who goes to heaven before they are every conceived. Why didn't God make me just like the man I idolize?

Anyway Aspect answered my question the closest. Good people go to hell. How very sad.

[aspect]

Wave,

Did you actually read the story Jesus told about the rich man and Lazarus? Why would you listen to me, when you can listen to Him? Don't take my word for it. Read for yourself. It is recorded in the last half of Luke chapter 16.

Why would you idolize a man who came from earth, yet turn a deaf ear to the one man who came from heaven - who died and yet rose again?

aspect

[melody]

There are those who could be judged as “good” according to this world standards where there is a lot of evil and killing. One might say that a person who does not kill and simply sits most of the day and meditates is good. Yet Buddha created a vast fallowing of people, and still does, who do not accept one creator who governs all and to whom all is subservient, in whom all live and have eternal life.

I know that an argument might be that Buddha simply did not know because God did not reveal himself to him. This would be an invalid argument because most likely than not God had shown him some type of realities but Buddha had chosen to fallow his own Mind and Pride of Self-importance and as a Self-governing principle.

We do have a similar example in this forum of Jesus revealing himself to a person and not being fallowed in all his glory as he should be, but rather still gravitating of seeing him as divinity within a personal Self, and not as an outside being in his own right. This is how a God can reveal himself to a person and not being accepted as such, and going on to pursue the doctrines of the Self.

Whoever propagates doctrines of the Self is not of God's governing plane of existence and therefore deprives himself of the God's eternal life. Unfortunately, it is the majority of people and many amongst them might be thought of as “good” by our limited worldly criteria of discernment.

The people of the Self doctrine just do not fit into the harmonious God's plan, in the same way as a manager in a company would not fit into the company's plan and would be fired if he started to do his own stuff and not what were the owner's directives.

God is the owner of all there is.

Buddha basically did his own thing - meditating on his own navel. He told all his disciples to do their own thing as well, and to save themselves by their own efforts through meditation and meditative chanting, which only strengthen the sense of the Self, though giving an illusion of dissolving in the surrounding energy and banishing of the self. It is the paradox of this type of "devotion" that although it preaches meditation as dissolving of the self in the "Universal" energy, it augments the sense of the Self and of personal divinity which does not have to be subservient to anything but exists in ones own Self. This is why all such people proclaim as God did  "I am". There is absolutely no dissolution of the Self and Ego through meditation.

Any doctrines that teach and propagate the idea that it is the mind of the Self and the Higher-Self (Higher-Self has a Mind, it is not mindless since it supposedly regulates all the lives of a being) that brings the person to the ultimate salvation - the unity with God, are not dissolving one's ego, but are strengthening it through the efforts of ones Mind or even ones Higher-Mind (even the mind's efforts needed to meditate). This is Mind and Ego completely dominating ones being through the efforts of ones own mind to get the results. This is all wrong, not of God and His design, and his supreme being's Mind. God is a sovereign being. One should ask God to help with one's salvation according to his design and plans since he is the "big cheese" as they say in business, the cheese head of everything there is. It is through the Mind of God, and through his Heart that one finds salvation if one follows God's Mind and disign of things, and his Heart, and His Love, and has faith in Him.

In the deapth of your heart, do ask God for guidance and for his love and forgivness of your sins when you acted out of your own self and not in accordance with God's guidance.

This is also a reply to a video Julia pasted in a different section of OUR forum about Buddha seen in Hell by one of his monks who had a near death experience
http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/research-on-near-death-experiences-t452.0.html;msg24752#msg24752

[juliainkc]

Anyway Aspect answered my question the closest. Good people go to hell. How very sad.

Mark 10: 17-27

As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’”

“Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!”

The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”

Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”

Good Person Test:

@http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96&Itemid=80

"There are none righteous, no, not one." Romans 3:10

"All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23 


1 Peter 4:1-6

Living for God

"Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin.

As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.  They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you.  But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.

For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."

1 Peter 4:17-18

"For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?  And,
 
 “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
   what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”
 

Every single person who has ever been born will be given or has been given the opportunity to hear Christ's message.

All are given the opportunity to choose to listen to God or man (our self or other men).

Unless or until a person really understands what the death of Christ accomplished, they will never comprehend what the Grace of God means or is for, and a person will continue to live like Christ's death and resurrection never really happened, because they will live like nothing ever happened, as in transforming their lives.

A transformation occurs in a person life when having a real meeting with Jesus at the Cross, but it doesn't end there.

What ends there, is the idea that our own idea of what good means is going to get us into the Presence of The Father.

Otherwise, Jesus death on the cross was in vain, for no purpose. And the Bible doesn't leave that idea any room in being so.

It's very clear that we in and of our self do not have the wherewithal to be good.

Only God is good. The rich young ruler, was making claim to Jesus' deity as being God. And he felt that by his idea of "obeying all the commandments since his youth", he was righteous enough to enter the kingdom of heaven. And Jesus Who is The Truth, spoke truth to this young man...

The choice? was up to the young man. Jesus did not force him to change.

It's the same for all of us.

No one will be able to blame God for making our own choice.


~♥~

[Wave Of Love]

Aspect,

That might be so but Jesus is not the perfect rock star I know and love!

Joe - Perfect Scandinavian that rocks out really hard and he's just so idolizable! Jesus - Some Mediterranean that has holes in him. Sorry but it's hard to worship a guy like that.