Telekinesis On Humans??

[melody]

Hello Adrian.

There seems to be confusion regarding our relationship with God - perhaps due to the way I have described it. We are already God, and accordingly have nowhere to go because there is nowhere else to go. When I talk about the journey back to God I am referring to The Source Energy, The First Cause, Our Prime Creator from Whence we incarnated in the beginning.

Does this mean that God did not create us, that he is not Our Prime Creator? That there are 2 cosmic creators? According to the quoted text we are God, and therefore cannot go back to God. We only can go back to our Primal Creator. So God and our Primal Creator are two separate entities?

We cannot talk "to" God, because we "are" God.

In the Bible Jesus talks to his Father, to God. Therefore we truly can talk to God as well.

Plain and simple - we are God, every single one of us and God is us including all the so called "evil" people, and the sooner people can assimilate that into their very Being the better.

Here, additionally, is also a quatation form the today's newsletter

"the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into
the sea, and gathered of every kind: which, when it was filled,
they drew up on the beach; and they sat down, and gathered the good
into vessels, but the bad they cast away. So shall it be in the end
of the age: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked
from among the righteous, And shall cast them into the furnace of
fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Jesus saith
unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him,
Yea, Lord. -- Matthew 13:49 - 51"

If the divine entities are quite discerning about who is "wicket" and who is "righteous", and we are created in the image of the most divine entity - God himself, so I can equally be discerning about such matters  as well. I believe there is some passage in the Bible about us not associating with the evil (not assimilating it into ourselves), but removing ourselves from it.  I would have to search for it and I do not have time to do it right now.

Hope this represents some food for thought.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Does this mean that God did not create us, that he is not Our Prime Creator? That there are 2 cosmic creators? According to the quoted text we are God, and therefore cannot go back to God. We only can go back to our Primal Creator. So God and our Primal Creator are two separate entities?

This is what I mean by semantics, and it is probably my fault. Mere language is not enough to discuss the Divine workings of The Inifinite.

"Create" is not a perfect word to describe how we came about. We were never "uncreated" in as much that "time" itself does not exist. There is only Now and there was never a moment in the Now when we did not exist. "Create" imolies starting with nothing and finishing up with something which is Spiritually incorrect.

I am not sure how better to explain this.  We were sent forth from the Logos, which means "Thought" in Ancient Greek, the Thought Being God. We were projected forth from the Logos as individuated Thought Forms, Energy Fields, as channels of expression of The Source Energy, and through which The Source Energy Experiences and therefore expands. This also applies to all life, including animal vegetable and mineral.

At the final analysis however we Are aspects of God, and in order to maintain balance, the things we call "good" and "evil" have to exist.

In the Bible Jesus talks to his Father, to God. Therefore we truly can talk to God as well.

Keep in Mind that the current versions of the Bible, and particular the King James version, have been drastically mistranslated and altered by the church to make what seems like sense to them. That is why "Age" became "World" as a mistranslation of Aeon.  We all have direct channels of communication with our Source - it is called inspiration, and that is what Jesus meant. The Source does not "talk" in human words, because that is a human construct, we receive from God in many ways including inspiration - some of my book was inspired.

Here, additionally, is also a quatation form the today's newsletter

"the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into
the sea, and gathered of every kind: which, when it was filled,
they drew up on the beach; and they sat down, and gathered the good
into vessels, but the bad they cast away. So shall it be in the end
of the age: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked
from among the righteous, And shall cast them into the furnace of
fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Jesus saith
unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him,
Yea, Lord. -- Matthew 13:49 - 51"

If the divine entities are quite discerning about who is "wicket" and who is "righteous", and we are created in the image of the most divine entity - God himself, so I can equally be discerning about such matters  as well. I believe there is some passage in the Bible about us not associating with the evil (not assimilating it into ourselves), but removing ourselves from it.  I would have to search for it and I do not have time to do it right now.

There are no entities standing in judgement over anyone else. Judgement goes against Spiritual evolution at all levels.  "Angels" and "demons" are metaphors for human traits and characteristics in this context.

There is only one factor and one factor only that determines were we go, and that is the Vibration of our Energy Field, our Soul and Spirit, which in turn is determined by numerous factors related to perfection, which in itself is a big subject, as well as our attitudes, expectations, Ego, Elemental Equilibrium, attitude and service towards others, Unconditional Love for all life, Wisdom, and many other factors.  These determine the Angels and demons of our lives.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Baki Hanma]

Wow so your saying that theres no such thing as good or evil? In other words good and evil are just point of views? Then the words of Sidious are true then ... I suppose I can accept that even though I refuse to allow it. Sorry but it is not within my nature or charactor to tolerate killers, rapest, or any such persons that destroy lives or terrorize humanity in any way. Even if that person is a part of us, that part of us should be corrected!!

Also Nothing is impossible? Impossiblilities are just blockages of ones mind towards the ultimate truth?

[Adrian]

Hello Baki,

Wow so your saying that theres no such thing as good or evil? In other words good and evil are just point of views? Then the words of Sidious are true then ... I suppose I can accept that even though I refuse to allow it. Sorry but it is not within my nature or charactor to tolerate killers, rapest, or any such persons that destroy lives or terrorize humanity in any way. Even if that person is a part of us, that part of us should be corrected!!

Also Nothing is impossible? Impossibilities are just blockages of ones mind towards the ultimate truth?

That is correct - "good" and "evil" are human concepts in the physical world. There is in reality only "experience".

Of course there are extremes of both, and ultimate harmony is brought about by balance.

After passing on, these concepts become irrelevant to people in that everyone lives on the vibration as others on the same vibration, so "good" and "evil" people cannot co-exist, and everyone appears "normal" to everyone else.

Now that is not to say that we should condone what we call "evil" - far from it. Everyone should strive for and encourage the high vibration of perfection at all times. What I am really saying is that what people call "good" and "evil" as well as other polarities should be kept in a proper perspective as parts of a learning experience.

If "evil" did not exist, how would you conceptualise "good"?  How could you strive to be "good" or "better" if you did not know what "bad" was? Everything would stand still. This is one reason why the physical Universe is such a valuable instrument of learning.

And take mass learning experiences such as 9/11 for example. While people focus on the horror of what happened, look at the good that came out of it in terms of bravery, people working together as one, the emotions and much more. So much positive came from 9/11 that people overlook. Again I certainly do not condone 9/11 or any other such act, but we also have to realise that we only see the physical temporal manifestation of a much longer series of causes and effects that no one can possible comprehend.

As for Star Wars - those movies are full of metaphors. For example, relevant to this topic - after Luke Skywalker did not manage to lift the X-Wing out of that swamp using Telekinesis, he said to Yoda "I did not believe I could do it" and Yoda replied "and that is why you failed".  He also said "do or do not - there is no try". And that is another valuable lesson. "Try" implies doubt, and doubt will always fail to bring the desired result.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Kailaurius]

Hello everyone,

I have not posted much lately because I've been busy reading, studying, and working on my spiritual development quite intensively.  I just wanted to quickly thank everyone for such a constructive topic.  This thread has been very informative.  I just wanted to thank everyone here for their questions, comments, and concerns.  Thank you very much Adrian for your replies.  As always they have been very informative and helpful.  I am very grateful that you can find the time to post your comments here given your busy schedule.  I would like to post my own thoughts on this topic but I'm still quite busy at the moment.  There have been many threads on this forum I would like to post comments on, and I'm sure I will be able to post more often in the future as I feel I will have more free time soon.  However, even though I normally don't have time to post, I have been reading each and every new post everyday to keep up to date on what has and is being talked about.  Anyway, I wanted to make the time to say I have enjoyed reading this thread. 

[melody]

... we can indeed move a mountain, providing we can feel enough Faith that we can do so, and that in turn relies on our Belief in those powers. If you can't believe you can move a mountain, or anything for that matter, it will not be possible.

Considering that everything in the Cosmos possesses their own intelligence, the Earth or the mountain might not wish to be moved.  Then indeed no one would be able to move that unwilling mountain. Provided, of course, you traumatize or kill the mountain by blowing it up... Humanity has done a lot of this type of stuff, unfortunately.

[melody]

And speaking of oneness mentioned many time above, and that we are all should supposedly be striving for become one, would not this be actually working against the Creator's wishes? If he experiences through us, he certainly would love to have a variety of experiences, not just one experience, if we all became one.

In the past there was a similar situation when all people were sort of one. They spoke one language and worked towards one goal - building the tower of Babylon. And the result - God destroyed that tower and scattered people all over the globe and gave them many languages. He basically did not want them to be one.

French say "Vive la difference!" = "Long live the differences!"  Well maybe their is a better transaltion than that. 

Basically, I see no reason why God would want us to be one.

[Adrian]

Hello Kailaurius,

Hello everyone,

I have not posted much lately because I've been busy reading, studying, and working on my spiritual development quite intensively.  I just wanted to quickly thank everyone for such a constructive topic.  This thread has been very informative.  I just wanted to thank everyone here for their questions, comments, and concerns.  Thank you very much Adrian for your replies.  As always they have been very informative and helpful.  I am very grateful that you can find the time to post your comments here given your busy schedule.  I would like to post my own thoughts on this topic but I'm still quite busy at the moment.  There have been many threads on this forum I would like to post comments on, and I'm sure I will be able to post more often in the future as I feel I will have more free time soon.  However, even though I normally don't have time to post, I have been reading each and every new post everyday to keep up to date on what has and is being talked about.  Anyway, I wanted to make the time to say I have enjoyed reading this thread. 

Thank you very much indeed.

I hope to commit much more time here soon.  At this time I am completing various projects which everyone will find about about soon.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

And speaking of oneness mentioned many time above, and that we are all should supposedly be striving for become one, would not this be actually working against the Creator's wishes? If he experiences through us, he certainly would love to have a variety of experiences, not just one experience, if we all became one.

In the past there was a similar situation when all people were sort of one. They spoke one language and worked towards one goal - building the tower of Babylon. And the result - God destroyed that tower and scattered people all over the globe and gave them many languages. He basically did not want them to be one.

French say "Vive la difference!" = "Long live the differences!"  Well maybe their is a better transaltion than that. 

Basically, I see no reason why God would want us to be one.

The process is infinite. Just as people are graduating from Earth, new incarnations commence their Earth experience. Of course this is not subject to linear time, so this actually takes place concurrently in all time zones. The fact is though there are an infinite number of channels of experience.

And The Source not only experiences through this planet, there are countless other planets in this Universe, and in the infinite number of parallel Universes, so you needn't worry about that.

As for your other question - mountains do not have freewill and therefore have not much "say" in the matter.

I agree that humanty is and has been abusing the pristine Earth far too much - in fact it should not happen at all.

Karma is ever present however. I saw this just today:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1107970.stm

The Indian government in this region kept destroying more and more of the natural habitat of these monkeys, until finally the monkeys had nowhere else to go, so they moved into the government buildings

To their credit as Hindu's they respect life and in particular the monkeys, so they will not harm them.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

And take mass learning experiences such as 9/11 for example. While people focus on the horror of what happened, look at the good that came out of it in terms of bravery, people working together as one, the emotions and much more. So much positive came from 9/11 that people overlook. Again I certainly do not condone 9/11 or any other such act, but we also have to realise that we only see the physical temporal manifestation of a much longer series of causes and effects that no one can possible comprehend.

In my opinion, very little positive came out of the 9/11. People initially were in shock, and helped one another. But now they are back to their old lives. Except, of course, of the families of the solders who were sent to Iraq, who were killed and had to kill. More people were killed as a follow up of 9/11 than in 9/11 itself. In addition, all sort of legislature took place in the US that as a consequence took away personal freedoms people had before. I really fail to see that anything positive resulted in 9/11.

As for the moving the mountain topic, yes indeed, the mountain might not have a freewill, as our arm does not have a separate freewill. However, the Earth being a living entity, and having the mountain as its body's extention, as we have our arm, just simply might not want it's arm - mountain to be moved.

[melody]

And The Source not only experiences through this planet, there are countless other planets in this Universe, and in the infinite number of parallel Universes, so you needn't worry about that.

Yes, I do worry about it, since I would like to give God as a gift my unique experience, so he would experience himself through it...   

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

And take mass learning experiences such as 9/11 for example. While people focus on the horror of what happened, look at the good that came out of it in terms of bravery, people working together as one, the emotions and much more. So much positive came from 9/11 that people overlook. Again I certainly do not condone 9/11 or any other such act, but we also have to realise that we only see the physical temporal manifestation of a much longer series of causes and effects that no one can possible comprehend.

In my opinion, very little positive came out of the 9/11. People initially were in shock, and helped one another. But now they are back to their old lives. Except, of course, of the families of the solders who were sent to Iraq, who were killed and had to kill. More people were killed as a follow up of 9/11 than in 9/11 itself. In addition, all sort of legislature took place in the US that as a consequence took away personal freedoms people had before. I really fail to see that anything positive resulted in 9/11.

As for the moving the mountain topic, yes indeed, the mountain might not have a freewill, as our arm does not have a separate freewill. However, the Earth being a living entity, and having the mountain as its body's extention, as we have our arm, just simply might not want it's arm - mountain to be moved.

Even 9/11 is an effect of preceding causes and they further preceding causes etc, the far reaching effects of which no one can really imagine.

As for the mountain - our arm is an extension of ourself and we can move it, just as the nountain is an extension of ourself and we can move that with sufficient Faith and Belief - in real terms that is. "Want" isn't really an issue because we all share the same Oneness with everything else, and accordingly we can influence anything else by Mind - including other people as often happens.

In the case Telekinesis of others, which is where this really started, the person wishing to do this is up against a higher manifestation of Mind in the form of another human being, who might not appreciate being levitated against their will, and can prevent it from happening with counter-thoughts.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Even 9/11 is an effect of preceding causes and they further preceding causes etc, the far reaching effects of which no one can really imagine.

As for the mountain - our arm is an extension of ourself and we can move it, just as the mountain is an extension of ourself and we can move that with sufficient Faith and Belief - in real terms that is. "Want" isn't really an issue because we all share the same Oneness with everything else, and accordingly we can influence anything else by Mind - including other people as often happens.

In the case Telekinesis of others, which is where this really started, the person wishing to do this is up against a higher manifestation of Mind in the form of another human being, who might not appreciate being levitated against their will, and can prevent it from happening with counter-thoughts.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Hello Adrian,

Since, as you claim, we cannot imagine causes and countercauses of 9/11, and therefore we equally cannot imagen all the effects and implications for it for the future, should not it be erroneous to claim that good came out of it?

We do say that Earth is a living entity. I therefore assume it has its own mind. Or is it an entity without a mind? I believe we cannot claim that Earth does not have a mind. As a living entity it surely has a mind, and therefore can counter protect itself. It already does with earthquakes and tornadoes, trying to wipe us as the destructive forth of its face.

I would also like to reiterate that I want to give God a gift of my uniqueness. Every human being is unique, unlike anything else in the Universe. Indeed each individual is a very unique experience for God. He made us different, it is his grand design. He does not want us to act on Earth as a single organism, with one mind that thinks the same thoughts for everybody, for the humanity- a one huge robot. This is what the mighty of this world would want us to be, a robot,  a total oneness, so they can control and dominate this amorphous oneness with ease.

[melody]

Hello Adrian,

You are a father of 3 boys. I am pretty sure that each one of them is a separate individual, unlike the others. Each has personal positive qualities, and his own idiosyncrasies. Yet, I am pretty sure you delight in their individuality, and cherish even their idiosyncrasies, which I suppose could be at times irritating.

Could you imagine that one day you woke up, and instead of 3 separate individuals that contribute so much to each other, to you and their friends, you found that you had 3 identical individuals, the total oneness between three of them, no separation and no distinction. That they blend their common characteristics, and are no longer separate individuals you love so much at the present. And now these 3 boys think the same thoughts, feel the same emotions, do exactly the same stuff in unison since they share the same impulses at the same time being totally one. I am pretty sure you will get terribly upset, since they would no longer contribute to your family with their delightful individual characters, perceptions, feelings, and thoughts. Even worse, what if your boys became totally one with all the other children at their school. These 3 little robots would come home, complete strangers to you, acting as 3 totally identical foreign bodies. I am sure you would want to destroy this mini “Tower of Babel” as soon as possible, and get your children back, exactly as they were before they became total oneness.

I believe we have to learn to delight in our differences. We should respects, appreciate and support any individual expression. Otherwise life would become pretty sterile, having just one collective expression and no differentiation at all. This would be pretty robotic and yes, sterile.

Although some significant headways were made into Quantum physics, we still, really, have a very limited knowledge of the Universe and the physics involved. Both material Quanta, and the vibrations they transmute into, belong to our physical world. Both are measurable, in the same way we can measure radio and radiation waves. Those waves are part of our physical world. We say that we have to raise our vibrations – and we are still actually speaking of a physical phenomenon. What if God is totally beyond any physical expression, and even beyond any vibrations? And what if God actually delights in the individual vibrations people transmit?

You speak of “good” and “bad” as being polarities. In everyday life we get a lot of idiosyncrasies, irritations and occasional meanness that could be interpreted as “bad” which are quite sufficient for us to have the perspective of what is “good” and what is “bad”, what feels “good” and what feels “bad”. Evil is a totally different dimension that belongs to a category of its own, as Devine does. “Bad” and “evil” are not one and the same thing.

[Baki Hanma]

^{In the case Telekinesis of others, which is where this really started, the person wishing to do this is up against a higher manifestation of Mind in the form of another human being, who might not appreciate being levitated against their will, and can prevent it from happening with counter-thoughts.}


So I guest in that scenario it would depend on the will power of the person. If for example I get into TK battle with a friend to see who could move one another. If my will to not move is stronger than his will to move me, then I will not be move? Is that what your telling me? If so it makes more since now