Telekinesis On Humans??

[ProjectYourSoul]

I am a natural born empath, indigo or old soul which ever you prefer. Personally I did'nt care much for labels. Actually what encouraged me to pursue this further was a friend who is now a life coach. She encouraged me to read Sonia's book diary of a psychic. She also suggested taking a class on shawmanism. A friend of hers from TX teaches in Illinois. From what she told me this guy has surely tapped into his gifts. I opened up and shared with her things that happened when I was a teenager.

Its funny but when i think about it I know what the common denominator was. I got out of my own way. I hesitated saying anything to my mother until years later. Our relationship was quite strained if you get my meaning. Mom is uncomfortable sharing much but she admitted to having lightly explored her gifts. We are both natural healers but what I told her about was the telepathic conversation I had with her mom while she was in the nursing home.

At the present time I am also a certified master in several forms of reiki. I've studied crystal energy on my own. I'm clairvoyant and clairsentiense as well. The major struggle I had as I healed was what I felt. For instance when 911 happened I could feel the passing, it felt rather peaceful too. There were other times when I would feel someones pain and it was so strong it brought me to my knees. Not long after I had my very first attunement I felt massive amounts of negativity almost everywhere I went. It was quite unbelievable and an annoyance too. I searched high and low for a solution and found one that worked for me. I even talked to the woman who travels around the country with max the crystal skull.

If you want to experience something really cool, try max sometime. For the last few years I've been studying loa from every source i can find, thats when I came across adrians material and this site. I also participate in another manifestation website but unfortunately their rules are rather restrictive on certain subjects. We all have our days, especially if your on a spiritual path. I've learned its better to express it than repress it for sure.

Thomas

[melody]

I've had it happen to me and done it to someone I know. I won't go into specifics but lets just say focused intent coupled with strong emotions make for an interesting experience.

Did this happened to you and have you done it to someone else with everybody's complete knowledge that there will be some experimentation happening, or was this a control of other person without them knowing about or them giving their agreement to this? In case it was the later, that would be unethical.

[ProjectYourSoul]

Its only unethical if your intentions are not pure. My path gets lonely sometimes, so I play, what can I say. Sometimes these things just happen and in those cases I have no control over how someone else might react. For example I had a friend once who was for the most part clueless to the powers we all possess. His unfortunate bitterness eventually killed him. One day we we had gotton together to eat and talk at a nearby restaurant. I had started a conversation with the waitress earlier about her autistic grandson. For the most part mainstream society views these children as misfits, ahh but I've always known better.

When we were getting ready to leave I turned to my friend and said pay very close attention to what I do. As I was standing there paying the bill I rekindled the conversation regarding her grandson, and what it was about him that was very special. At that precise moment I just showed them exactly what gift this child was blessed with by joining all three of our minds together. I only held the connection for a little while then let it go. As I looked at the waitress she smiled, then when I turned to my friend his eyes were filled with anger as if I had committed a great sin. You would have to have known this man in order to know why I did this, but like I said earlier my intentions were pure. I laughed, then we left.

Thomas

[melody]

When we were getting ready to leave I turned to my friend and said pay very close attention to what I do. As I was standing there paying the bill I rekindled the conversation regarding her grandson, and what it was about him that was very special. At that precise moment I just showed them exactly what gift this child was blessed with by joining all three of our minds together. I only held the connection for a little while then let it go. As I looked at the waitress she smiled, then when I turned to my friend his eyes were filled with anger as if I had committed a great sin. You would have to have known this man in order to know why I did this, but like I said earlier my intentions were pure. I laughed, then we left.

Hello ProjectYourSoul,

Sometimes, regardless if we believe our intentions are pure, there might be an element of ego mixed into it. You obviously wanted to show something to your friend, your intention was not only to reinforce the woman's believes about the boy's gifts. And that element of "teaching" somebody from a personal point of view, using psychic mind control to do it, is coming from an ego part of one's being. This is not ethical. I am not surprised your friend got angry. You invaded his mind, his space, his energy and his psyche.

In my sincere opinion, the only ethical influencing would be to pray for the well being of people concerned in the name of God - or Jesus Christ if you are a Christian - and ask for the God's all knowing and loving power to grants those people what they might need or might need to understand at that moment.

Our knowledge of things, our understanding of the God's grand picture, is quite limited. What we perceive outside of us really comes from our personal judgement colored by our ego, often even when we believe our intentions are pure.

Personally, I would not had wanted anybody to connect my mind to theirs. I am an individual, and if I do not give my permission, I don't want to have my mind connected to anybody else. God only knows what might be lurking in other people's minds or in their subconscious minds, and I would not want that energy to penetrate my energy on the psychic level. We are not really as pure as we want to believe of ourselves, and we do have "unholy" vibrations in the energy fields of our beings. I would not want anybody to implant or imprint those energies inside my energy field.

God gives us a free will to think and believe whatever we choose. He does not control or mess up with our thinking even if our thinking could be judged as "wrong". We should not see ourselves above God and think that we have a right to mess up with other people psyche because, in our limited opinion, we consider our intentions to be "pure".  How pure really are they? How pure are we? How strong is our ego from which our intentions spring? Is this God's desire that we teach other people psychic lessons if he does not even do this himself? Are those special psychic powers we are so please to have and so freely use on others really from God, since he even himself does not use such tactics and powers on us?

There are many such pertinent questions to ask ourselves.

[melody]

I edited my post above several times yesterday to clarify better what I meant. I feel this is a very important topic. We all should have our personal freedom that nobody should usurp, not a person, or society, or government, or any other entity, be it of material or astral or psychic nature.

I  still would like to stress that each of us has a total sovereignty over their own being, and nobody should take an authority upon themselves to personally breach this sovereignty in any way, even if one judges it to be a positive intervention, without a person's permission. This would also apply to a person's living quarters. One should not violate with psychic or astral probings a person's logging without a person's permission, in the same way as one should not enter a person's home without an invitation.

The only way one can help anybody without having a permission from a person to do so, is to ask God or Jesus Christ to help that person and pray on his or her behave to the true God or in the name of the true God and Jesus Christ.

[Spectre]

Very good words Melody and what I would stress myself. I have learned, as I am probably guilty of messing with another’s mind in ways that go beyond most comprehension. To the point of knowingly taking a persons free will away. Before retribution is said let me say I have paid for this and apologized to these people and made amends.

From all of your posts the demeanor of your plea is something of what I have tried to express to others. Is it working? Does anyone really understand? Probably not but hopefully someone will truly understand and pass along that same message. I gave up and did nothing for many decades, depression, and denial, with a sense of self-extinction, as there were no others that shared the life path I was on.

You talked about the creatures of the ID and having someone else’s creatures imprinted upon your own psyche. Exactly and on a common human level this happens and has the outcome of Armageddon. This is one of my abjections to “The Secret” and the felonious “Law of Attraction”, I’m not saying it doesn’t work but it’s greatly miss labeled. That whole thing is nothing more that a simple form of sympathetic magic with talismans. The way it has been presented is like using a shotgun to kill a cockroach; the overkill will have dramatic effects in the near future.

Hang in there Melody you have a just cause and someone will listen.

[melody]

Hello Spectre,

Thank you for sharing! It is so hard sometimes to admit, especially in public, what "sins" one had committed. But it is great that you understood your erroneous ways, and had paid your dues.

Also, thank you for your encouragement! 

I would like to invite you to watch Professor Walter J. Veith lectures that I  posted in the "Religions and Tradition" section of this forum under the topic entitled "Biblical Prophesies and Revelations and Our Times & End Times". I hope you will find those lectures as relevant for they were to me.

[Adrian]

Hello Baki,

Ok I understand that we all have laten psychic abilities. But this TK thing, is supposed to be the ability to move any object of any size right? Does this only apply to objects and not people or other living creatures (animals, insects, etc)? What I mean is can one who has developed the understanding and ability to move a car off the ground with his mind, be able to move a person, who is most definitely lighter than a car?

I've been to other forums in the past and I remember one person saying that he could slide his bed from his window to his door even if someone is on it. Yet he failed to slide his brother accross his floor even an inch.... What is the connections or disconnections that differs are ability to move objects of any size and not people?

All Telekinesis works on the Principle that all is One.

When we move something it is not the "thing" that moves, but rather an extension of ourselves. If you treat something as seperate, there is no way you are going to move it.

Now this only works if the "thing" that is an extension of you is willing to move, e.g. when you move your arm. If it is unwilling to move due to the will of the other "thing" or in this case person, the will of the person will be stronger than your own will to move it.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Baki Hanma]

Heh, I never thought that when I started this topic that I would get so many replies so soon  . Thank u all for sharing your beliefs and wisdom..

Anyway, I do believe it to be possible to move a person, however I was just curious of how to do it because of what was told to me by the one performing it. I figured something else must be done or another measure must be taken.

I'm somewhat of a fan of star wars, in fact thats what got me into telekinesis in the first place. Seeing Yoda lift that star ship out of the water was amazing

"Do or do not, there is no try" - Yoda Jedi Master

I have this Telekinesis Report as well along with Adrians telekinesis manual. From what I understand, it is possible to move anything even people. If the Force is strong with them 

[Adrian]

Hello Baki,

Heh, I never thought that when I started this topic that I would get so many replies so soon  . Thank u all for sharing your beliefs and wisdom..

Anyway, I do believe it to be possible to move a person, however I was just curious of how to do it because of what was told to me by the one performing it. I figured something else must be done or another measure must be taken.

I'm a big fan of star wars, in fact thats what got me into telekinesis in the first place. Seeing Yoda lift that star ship out of the water was amazing

"Do or do not, there is no try" - Yoda Jedi Master

I have this Telekinesis Report as well along with Adrian's telekinesis manual. From what I understand, it is possible to move anything even people. If the Force is strong with them 

We are limited only by the beliefs in our own limitations.

Because most people believe that Telekinesis is a special ability with limited scope, they believe it is only possible to move small things. But it is that very belief that prevents them from moving larger things. In reality, because everything is part of us, we have no limits. Moving a large object is no different to moving your arm. But you must know, beyond doubt, that the thing you are moving Is you and not separate from you in any way.

In that Yoda and Skywalker scene, Luke didn't think he could do it, and Yoda told him that is why he could not do it.

"Whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith." -- Mark 11:23

And Jesus admonished his disciples for not being able to achieve their wishes due to a lack of faith in their own God-given powers:

"And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you." -- Matthew.17:20

Kind regards,

Adrian.



 

[melody]

"And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you." -- Matthew.17:20

We are told that Earth is a living being (entity) created by God. I therefore would have a hard time believing that God – Christ would actually propagate that humans move around mountains, carting them into sea with their minds and mess around in this way with living Earth. We mess around with Earth badly enough already. Imagine if people actually could move mountains with their minds! They would create great chaos and distraction…

Generally, Christ spoke in parables. He created strong images, which were not meant to be taken literally. His main emphasis in this parable is about faith, not about moving physical objects. Faith is not physical. I believe what he meant was that if one had faith one could have tremendous influence as Christ himself had demonstrated he had.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

You are correct of course, it is a metaphor about the power of Faith. But at the same time Faith is also required for Telekinesis or any power of the Mind.

If you do not have the Faith to know that the object has already moved, not "will be moved", then it will not move.

Whilst clearly we would not normally think about moving mountains, we actually could in theory because they are as much part of us as an arm for example. If it is within our experience, and we have the Faith, it can be moved - even a mountain.

The only reason people cannot move mountains is because they do not believe it is possible. But again - if the mountain is within our own sphere of experience it can be moved.

We have to keep in Mind that we share our Mind and therefore creative powers with God, The Source, The Prime Creator of the entire Universe - a mere mountain is trivial by comparison

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Hello Adrian,

When Bible speaks about faith, it means Faith in God, in his grand plan of things. It does not imply a faith in one's own personal powers or the power of one's own ego.

Faith, as used in the Bible, implies that if one believes in God, one can accomplish fantastic things that God wants to be accomplished through that particular person, in the same way as what he accomplished through Christ. And that is really the greatest gift God gives us, and this is how we become co-creators with God – and not because one day we might decide on our own to move a mountain, which might be totally contrary to God's grand plan and cosmic equilibrium.

This is also how God heals in the Bible - when one believes in his healing powers and has total Faith in him. Those healed in the Bible had total faith that Jesus - the son of God - would heal them and this is how they got healed, through this Faith, their Faith in the power of God. They did not get healed by believing that they can heal themselves with their own mind alone.

I am speaking here about Biblical concepts since a quote from the Bible was used above.

It is possible that one can move huge things with the power of one's own mind, and heal oneself solely through the power of one's own mind as well. But this would not be based on how Bible teaches it.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Hello Adrian,

When Bible speaks about faith, it means Faith in God, in his grand plan of things. It does not imply a faith in one's own personal powers or the power of one's own ego.

Faith, as used in the Bible, implies that if one believes in God, one can accomplish fantastic things that God wants to be accomplished through that particular person, in the same way as what he accomplished through Christ. And that is really the greatest gift God gives us, and this is how we become co-creators with God – and not because one day we might decide on our own to move a mountain, which might be totally contrary to God's grand plan and cosmic equilibrium.

This is also how God heals in the Bible - when one believes in his healing powers and has total Faith in him. Those healed in the Bible had total faith that Jesus - the son of God - would heal them and this is how they got healed, through this Faith, their Faith in the power of God. They did not get healed by believing that they can heal themselves with their own mind alone.

I am speaking here about Biblical concepts since a quote from the Bible was used above.

It is possible that one can move huge things with the power of one's own mind, and heal oneself solely through the power of one's own mind as well. But this would not be based on how Bible teaches it.

What you have just quoted is the interpretation of the Church  - i.e. theology. There is no theology in the Bible at all - that is the tragedy of it. Jesus came to earth to teach people the inner truths as opposed to "belief systems", but instead his worlds became the biggest of all belief systems.

The confusion about Faith is between that of "blind faith" or "abstact belief" as in a person saying "I have faith in God" or "I believe in God" both of which are totally meaningless, and Faith as a power of the Mind which is true Faith, and an unshakeable Belief in the outcome.  Faith is the absolute Beleif in a thing expected but not yet seen. When we ask it is instantly given, and eventually we will receive, and if we know that beyond all doubt, that is Faith.

We have the ability and God-given right to move a mountain, because it is a part of our experience, and we have the fundamental freewill to modify any aspect of our reality.  When we talk of "God's plan" it is also our own plan because we are God, and God's plan cannot be contrary to our plan.

I agree about healing, and that is what I say in my articles on my site.  The people had Faith that they would be healed under those circumstances, and they same goes for Lourdes and the other shrines.

Faith isn't a word it is a feeling and a knowing.  It doesn't matter what the Faith is attached to, it is the feeling that the person has that they will be healed.

However, when we understand these things we do not rely on props or placebos for a healing, because we know what Faith really means and can consciously apply it and that is what I mean. We use the power of our Mind with absolute Faith, due to our connection with God, that we will receive.

Regarding the Bible - this is indeed what Jesus is teaching - all through the Bible - but most do not understand it. Jesus also talks extensively about the power of the Subconscious Mind, the conditions under which things manifest, how healing takes place and so on - the Bible is all Metaphyscis and Spiritual Growth, it is just that the most people, notably the Church only see theology and the literal words in material terms.

So going back to the original point - we can indeed move a mountain, providing we can feel enough Faith that we can do so, and that in turn relies on our Belief in those powers. If you can't believe you can move a mountain, or anything for that matter, it will not be possible. This is why in Telekinesis we start by moving small things like Psi wheels, and then progress to larger things, or in spoon bendng we start off by bending spoons, and then once we have Faith in our own powers, we move to 1/2" thick iron bars. From there you can indeed progress to a mountain if the Faith and Belief is there, but again, not in the theological sense. The mountain is part of us just as our arm is part of us, and that is why we can move it

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

...because we are God, and God's plan cannot be contrary to our plan.

Hello Adrian,

Are you actually saying that you are God, and every being on this planet is God?