Telekinesis On Humans??

[Baki Hanma]

Ok I understand that we all have laten psychic abilities. But this TK thing, is supposed to be the ability to move any object of any size right? Does this only apply to objects and not people or other living creatures (animals, insects, etc)? What I mean is can one who has developed the understanding and ability to move a car off the ground with his mind, be able to move a person, who is most definitely lighter than a car?

I've been to other forums in the past and I remember one person saying that he could slide his bed from his window to his door even if someone is on it. Yet he failed to slide his brother accross his floor even an inch.... What is the connections or disconnections that differs are ability to move objects of any size and not people?

[melody]

Hello Baki Hanma ,

I read somewhere that Chinese did experiments with gifted children who were able to move insects out of closed bottles. But I cannot guaranty this was a true information.

[Werp Weg Alles]

Hello Baki Hanma,

While I cannot say I personally have TK abilities or that I have studied them in much detail, I can give you my personal view on why a person couldn't move ANOTHER person. 

What a TK practitioner can move is based on his or her personal beliefs.  Such goes that bible passage Adrian is so fond of quoting where Jesus says if you have faith like that of a mustard seed you can move a mountain. 

While the normal person can't really move anything because we haven't got faith in the abilities we haven't yet developed.  So to look at the advanced TK user who has you know been through spoons, coins, cans and whatever else s/he can think of to move and has landed on beds.  So he moves his bed, and hes confident in his abilities and KNOWS he can move his bed.  Someone goes on the bed, he moves the bed, not the person, it just so happens the person the bed believes that if the bed moves, he moves, so he goes with it. 

However know this TK user decides if I can move a bed, I can move a person, but the practice of TK requires you to truly believe and accept you are one with the object you're trying to move.  And when it comes to other humans, we from young on are taught that humans are the most complex, advanced, unexplainable phenomena to have been created.  So that subconscious doubt could more then likely be the reason why even a master of TK couldn't move another human being.

And I apologize for the long drawn out random unimportant parts of that.  I'm quite sleep deprived at the moment

Werp

[melody]

Hello Baki Hanma,

...that bible passage Adrian is so fond of quoting where Jesus says if you have faith like that of a mustard seed you can move a mountain. 

This Jesus passage might be purely allegorical. And the accomplishing of the moving might not be meant to be accomplished just by a mind power, but by action, if one starts digging ... We remove the mountains all the time now. We excavate them for natural resources, leaving only ugly creators, or we even blow them up if they are on the way of an "important" construction. There was a mountain in China that was blown up and cleared away a few years ago. So indeed, we can will a mountain to move and go away.

[Werp Weg Alles]

True, but your talking about physical means that never took root in the astral properly, which would be why they cause destruction and disharmony instead of a more harmonious peaceful action. 

The main point I was making with the passage is that TK is limited only by the beliefs of a person, and we have been conditioned for many things one of which would be the complexity of a human being.  And if subconsciously we believe a human being is the most complicated thing on the planet, then its that "thing" that we wont be able to move.

Also, I was wondering Melody, have you ever looked into or tried TK?  And I was wondering if not TK have you looked into any such abilities or a "paranormal" type of study?  And if you have what was it?

Werp

[melody]

Also, I was wondering Melody, have you ever looked into or tried TK?  And I was wondering if not TK have you looked into any such abilities or a "paranormal" type of study?  And if you have what was it?

Hello Werp,

I am primarily concerned about my spiritual development and being in tune with God. "Paranormal" stuff is not presently in the focus of my attention.

[Werp Weg Alles]

Hello Melody,

How do you go about "being in tune" with our creator.  And what steps are you taking in your spiritual development?


Werp

[melody]

Hello Werp,

You are putting me on a spot. I am not really ready to discuss my spiritual journey publically.

If you read OUR, you will see that the discussion their is theoretical. Adrian does not speak about his own journey.

Besides, this thread is supposed to be about  telekinesis...   

[Awakened Soul]

Yes, but... DON'T BE AFRAID to share it anyway, dear Melody 


On topic:

I'd find it weird if it wouldn't be possible to influence/move another person's body. I think it's totally possible, especially if these people you want to influence haven't got any clue about what's going on. In Voodoo or black magic this seems to happen all the time, right? Perhaps not moving, but certainly influencing. And if that's possible, why not movement. This is theoretically speaking from what I believe - I haven't started with TK myself yet, although I've read about it and also bought Adrian's book on this subject. We should be able to do whatever we want, including moving/influencing another person. But not without consequences for ourselves.

I think that all the stuff you see in Lord Of The Rings (two wizards pushing each other with their minds/staffs) and Harry Potter should be possible because people can already imagine them. Next is believing and knowledge on how to do it and it should be achievable. I think in the Bible Jesus helped one of his disciple to stand on the water after he fell through it. So that shows some control over another persons body.

Also, in Robert Bruce's new book Energy Work he describes how you can do the awareness techniques outside your own body on another persons body, which, for instance, can be done by couples on erotic zones to stimulate sexuality. He also describes that if the other person isn't aware of what's going on, the feeling can feel really creepy. We also know it's possible to heal another person's body. So if you can do that stuff, why not take it a step further and move it?

[melody]

I believe if any type of psychic experimentation is being done, the other person involved should know about it and give his or her permission. That would also apply to distat viewing (checking out on another person), or astral travel through other people spaces. I believe that other people have the right to privacy. Don't do anything to anybody you would not want to be done to yourself. Just ask yourself, would you like somebody to experiment their psychic abilities on you or your living space without you knowing about it and without you giving them permission?

[Awakened Soul]

I believe if any type of psychic experimentation is being done, the other person involved should know about it and give his or her permission. That would also apply to distat viewing (checking out on another person), or astral travel through other people spaces. I believe that other people have the right to privacy. Don't do anything to anybody you would not want to be done to yourself. Just ask yourself, would you like somebody to experiment their psychic abilities on you or your living space without you knowing about it and without you giving them permission?

Ofcourse, I totally agree. But the question was whether it was possible, not whether it would be polite or 'right' to do.

[melody]

Hello Awakened Soul,

I just though of bringing this issue up because it is never really discussed in developing psychic abilities texts.

[ProjectYourSoul]

Yes you can do what ever it is that your beliefs will allow. Change your beliefs, change your power. The most unique experience I've had so far was in dividing a thunderstorm. I actually became part of the energy. It was quite awsome indeed. I could feel the energy pulsing throughout my entire body as I stood there in a meditative state. By the way I love thunderstorms, they are just so awsome to watch. Right before it divided I thought its going to split. At the very same time a friend of mine called me on the phone and asked what I was doing. I said I was enjoying the energy of this storm I was watching. Then she asked me if it was going to rain here. I hesitated for just a moment then I said no it just divided. Of course I've always had a passion for nature so its easy for me to have faith in that area.

The other thing to keep in mind too is when you are with someone else who is somewhat aware of this power but not, thats when things can happen too. What I mean by that is this. I have this friend who told me about levitating a bed with her friends when she was young. She said it freaked her out so much they never tried it again. Well she is a lot older now and her beliefs, well lets just say they got sidetracked by all the chaos. One day when she was here we were sitting in the alley in her car when my back fence gate just opened up all the way. It was funny too because at that time she thought it was the wind. I laughed and said no way, the wind can't possibly move that gate, go try it for yourself.

Then one night when she was here it just started to storm outside. Well she had parked her car on a side street to avoid being hit in front of my house. Unfortunately 3 cars have been totaled in front of my house so I advise people not to park there. Anyways after she left the house, she calls me and said you were right. I said how so? well I walked to my truck and didnt even get wet. When she walked out the back door it had started to pour. I laughed and said see I told you.

Thomas

[ProjectYourSoul]

One other thing I might mention too. Can you influence other people? Yes you sure can. A lot of that depends on your manifestation power, beliefs etc. It also depends on the person you are influencing and what their power might be. I've had it happen to me and done it to someone I know. I won't go into specifics but lets just say focused intent coupled with strong emotions make for an interesting experience.

Along with great power and awareness comes great responsibility, so be careful what you wish for.

Thomas

[Awakened Soul]

Thanks for sharing, Thomas.

Ofcourse on internet, you never know what's true and what's not, but I see no reason why you'd be making this stuff up.

Did you achieve this with the help of Adrian's books or were you already able to do these things yourself?