Spiritual Gifts Interpretation/Usage From the Bible

[Talker]

To All Love, Peace and Wellness,
I'm not a religious fanatic, and have experienced throwing the baby out with the bath water, as covered in my blogs. So I do go back to my bible, after realizing that one needs to shift gears/consciousness and look for and understand the possible hidden meanings. i very much dislike doing that. So here I am doing the a very similar interpretation process, that caused my original tossing out the whole of the bible. Can only rationalize that I'm not changing the words in the bible, only seeking the possible truth hidden there. Found the same situation when researching the Huna concepts. So, am not going to quote verse after verse here. What I'm actually showing are particulars that did cause me problems belief wise. It would take a book sized write to convey my feelings on just 1 Corinthians.
Many of " 1 Corinthians " verses were marked in my bible, with a red pen, but verses " 12-13-14, were my focal point. There I see a vast amount of what could be construed as deeper meanings. Meanings that say, we have certain gifts, use them. That there is much to share and to not be afraid, or concerned in using those gifts.

http://anotherlookatit.blogspot.com/2004/07/8-religious-quandary.html

[Adrian]

Hello Talker,

I know exactly what you mean.

It was not that long ago that I also totally dismissed the Bible due to its association with humanity and the damage done over the centuries.

However, in my constant search for only the truth I decided to take a look at the Bible, and immediately understood its inner meanings. When I read the Bible I see only Spiritual growth and Metaphysics - I still find it difficult to understand how the Bible was ever interpreted in a theological way and even became the basis for an orthodox religion. But this passage says it all:

"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive, For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them". But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower." --Matthew 13:10-18

I definitely agree about 1 Corinthians  - there is considerable inspired wisdom in that book.

Yet there is far more to come yet from the Bible. We know that over the years the text has been translated and re-translated, all the time being subtly altered to suit the control and power aspirations of the church. However, there exists a very ancient version of the New Testament written in Aramaic, called "The Khaburis Manuscript" which dates to just 200 CE, and from which the original meaning and context can be translated.

For example, this is an interpretation of The Lords Prayer based upon the Khaburis Manuscript codex translation:

Our Eternal Creator, parent to us all, who is in the realms of the
unmanifest, make a space in us for wholeness that we
may be taught to honor, worship and serve You.

Let Your counsel, Your wisdom and Your Love come alive in us,
let Your Light penetrate us . . . Attune us to and empower
us to conceive of and understand that Will which
You have already created for us. Teach us
so that we may give birth to Your fruit.

That You renew and feed us daily with the presence of Your Love, the
Love of each other and the food we receive is a gift we
gratefully accept! Thank You for restoring us to abundance,
teaching us gratitude and how to give as you give and
presence Love as you are the Presence of Love,
for both the just and the unjust.

That You forgive from us those realities we have engaged in that
do us harm and do not belong in our humanness is another of Your
blessings we appreciate. . . we commit to responsibility and
forgiving as to those painful realities others trigger in us.

When we are tempted or lost in materialism or fall out of
harmony with Your Love, that You are there with us -
Being the space of Love, that Your Love is always
Present no matter how far we fall - no matter
where we go, is a blessing we gratefully accept.

That, with your grace, You deliver us from our errors and
through Your light part us from darkness is another
blessing that flows from Your Presence.
We receive each of these gifts with gratitude and praise.

Sealed in Trust, Faith and Truth, AMEN

As you can see - this is much closer to reality and what Jesus was teaching than the "modern Bible" versions.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

"The Khaburis Manuscript" which dates to just 200 CE, and from which the original meaning and context can be translated.

Hello Adrian ,

The Khaboris Manuscript was carbon dated by expersta and it was determined that it was from cerca 1,200 A.D.

"In 1995, the Khaboris Codex was examined by a specially assembled project team, who dated it as twelfth century. In 1999, radio-carbon dating confirmed this date."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaboris_Codex

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Hello Adrian ,

The Khaboris Manuscript was carbon dated by expersta and it was determined that it was from cerca 1,200 A.D.

"In 1995, the Khaboris Codex was examined by a specially assembled project team, who dated it as twelfth century. In 1999, radio-carbon dating confirmed this date."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaboris_Codex

The Khabouris Manuscript is actually a complete copy of the original which was written in 165CE. The person who scribed the Khabouris Manuscript verified this by stating it was an exact copy produced "100 years after the persecution of the Christians by Nero" which too place in 65CE.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

The Khabouris Manuscript is actually a complete copy of the original which was written in 165CE. The person who scribed the Khabouris Manuscript verified this by stating it was an exact copy produced "100 years after the persecution of the Christians by Nero" which too place in 65CE.

Hello Adrian,

Since The Khabouris Manuscript is not the original but a copy, I wander whether there might have been a few such copies made of copies in between, through the centuries, with each scribe faithfully copying the text about this being the exact copy of the original. Could we really know?

For those interested to read The Khabouris Manuscript, you can download it here

http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/AramaicNTtools/khabouris.htm

or here

http://www.dukhrana.com/khabouris/index.php

I am not sure about the interpretation of the Lord's Prayer given by Adrian above, but if you look up Matthew Gospel directly in the The Khabouris Manuscript starting with the verse Matthew 6:9, you will see little difference with the Lord's prayer in any modern Bible. The wording is a bit different, but the meaning is totally the same.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

It is unlikely that we will ever know for sure about these transcripts of the Bible. The original Bible was written in Ancient Greek, so there might well have been anomalies in transcribing it to Aramaiac. The value is in the fact that it was still compiled soon after the death of Jesus, and has not been subjected to the countless mistranslations and alterations down through the centuries.

The Lords Prayer, like the rest of the Bible has deep hidden meanings.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Since the Khabouris Manuscript is probably one of the most ancient versions of the Bible we have, the one that did not go through several church Councils that edited it, I was interested to find out that the concept of the Resurrection is still the same as the one in the modern day Bible. The individual Gospels all end with the same recollection of the Christ rising , and Matthew also states that other worthy souls had also been resurrected, see inside the Manuscript Matthew 27:52, 27:53, and Matthew 28:7 for the Christ resurrection.

Although I have only skimmed through the manuscript, I have found no indication of  reincarnation being mentioned. If any one of you reading the manuscript will see reincarnation being discussed, please bring it to our attention.

It appears to me, that even this version of the Bible that had not gone through any censorship or editing, is still quite consistent on the matter of death and resurrection, the same as the Bible we are using today.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Since the Khabouris Manuscript is probably one of the most ancient versions of the Bible we have, the one that did not go through several church Councils that edited it, I was interested to find out that the concept of the Resurrection is still the same as the one in the modern day Bible. The individual Gospels all end with the same recollection of the Christ rising , and Matthew also states that other worthy souls had also been resurrected, see inside the Manuscript Matthew 27:52, 27:53, and Matthew 28:7 for the Christ resurrection.

Although I have only skimmed through the manuscript, I have found no indication of  reincarnation being mentioned. If any one of you reading the manuscript will see reincarnation being discussed, please bring it to our attention.

It appears to me, that even this version of the Bible that had not gone through any censorship or editing, is still quite consistent on the matter of death and resurrection, the same as the Bible we are using today.

The Khabouris Manuscript is still translated from the original, and after the Romans had time to "modify" it in accordance with their needs. The birth and resurrection would never have been altered later than that because it is fundamental to the doctrines of the religion.

The only way we will find the truth is by means of independant historical records by recognised historians independant of the Bible. But here is an interesting fact as well. At the time of Jesus birth and death there were several very famous historians in the region who would certainly have noted and documented events of this importance to the region, but never actually did even though they documented everything else of note.

Views on Jesus and Christianity range all the way from being a real God-man to a total synthesis built on legends, fables and religions of the previous 3000 years.

My thoughts are in between the two, while accepting the person known as Yeshua did exist and teach around that time, but much of the story surrounding the fact was contrived by the Romans in creating their "new religion". Here is an excellent site that believes it was totally contrived, and Jesus never existied at all. I mention it so you can get a better balance between the two extremes:

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Hello Adrian,

There are many people who believe, claim, and have a “logical” prove that Holocaust never happened, although it took place only recently, despite of plenty of evidence that indeed it took place. I wonder if various such claims really make for a more balanced history understanding. The bible has historically provided a lot of evidence for digging and ancient findings. In fact it has been an excellent source for historical evidence.

Jesus’ events in far away Judea might have looked quite insignificant to historians comfortably located in Rome. After all, they crucified criminals in Judea all the time, this was not really an event. Even Pontius Pilate, stationed in Judea, did not seem to have known much about Jesus. Maybe this is why historians did not bother about Jesus, or maybe it was edited for whatever reason… We could never really know.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Hello Adrian,

There are many people who believe, claim, and have a “logical” prove that Holocaust never happened, although it took place only recently, despite of plenty of evidence that indeed it took place. I wonder if various such claims really make for a more balanced history understanding. The bible has historically provided a lot of evidence for digging and ancient findings. In fact it has been an excellent source for historical evidence.

Jesus’ events in far away Judea might have looked quite insignificant to historians comfortably located in Rome. After all, they crucified criminals in Judea all the time, this was not really an event. Even Pontius Pilate, stationed in Judea, did not seem to have known much about Jesus. Maybe this is why historians did not bother about Jesus, or maybe it was edited for whatever reason… We could never really know.

Perhaps one day we do know and it all becomes clear - I also believe it will. There must me many ancient records yet to be discovered like the Dead Sea Scrolls, Nag Hammadi etc. Jesus obviously had a profound effect on the area towards the end, so one would have thought that at least that would have been documented.

One factor people seem to overlook as well is that the people that wrote about the birth of Jesus in the Bible, were either not born or were very young at the time - so where did the birth story come from?

Another factor that people overlook is that Nazarareth, where Jesus was supposed to have been born, did not even exist at the time. It was much later when it was used as a convenient place for the birth part of the myth created by the Romans.

Also Jesus of Nazareth is yet another mistranslation of the ancient Greek 'Jesous o Nazoraios' which means "Jesus the Nazarene". "Nazara" means "truth" so in fact the phrase should read "Jesus of the Truth" which of course would be more appropriate.

Also in this mix of creative mythology we have the presence of the constellation of Virgo, "The Virgin" mythically representing the "Virgin Mary". The constellation of Virgo is also known in ancient mythology as "The House of Bread". In ancient Hebrew, "House of Bread" translates to "Beit Lehem" or "Bethlehem" - the place where the "Son" or in mythical terms "Sun" was born to the Virgo Mary.

"Christ" or "Christos" in Ancient Greek means "annointed one" and many prominent leaders of the time were cermonially annointed or "christed".

So Jesus Christ or Jesus of Nazareth is variously "Jesus the annointed one" or "Jesus of the Truth", both of which are fine by me.

And so it goes on - a hotch potch of myth, mistranslation and wishful or creative thinking which I am sure I could easily disprove even further given the time and inclination, neither of which I have.

To me however it does not matter. We must take away from this era what we already have, no matter who wrote it, and that is one of the greatest books of Initiation and Metaphysics ever compiled.  Of course there are many far more extensive writings and teachings on these crucial subjects, but billions of people already regard the Bible as their book of life, and as far as I am concerned they now need to know what it really means, why Jesus came to Earth at that time, and what people must do in the Light of this understanding.

Jesus came to Earth to prepare people well in advance of the events we will increasingly experience, and due to the route taken due to religion over the last 2000 years, there is not much "time" left - indeed "time" itself will probably become meaningless.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

The Khabouris Manuscript is still translated from the original, and after the Romans had time to "modify" it in accordance with their needs. The birth and resurrection would never have been altered later than that because it is fundamental to the doctrines of the religion.

I find  the Bible very consistent about Death and Resurrection. These concepts are discussed on multiple occasions both in Old Testament and New Testament, and they agree. The Old Testament was never tempered with by Rome and has been used for ages by Jews. The video below discuss these biblical concepts based on many quotations from the Bible.

The Mystic Realm of Death: What happens when you Die? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1866366024078929751

History's Coming Climax               
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5961987832430930173

The Long Awaited Millennium
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6425312300608085854

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Thank you for the links but could you please summarize the relevant information pertaining to this topic? Much though I would like to I haven't the time to watch hours of videos.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Hello Melody,

Thank you for the links but could you please summarize the relevant information pertaining to this topic? Much though I would like to I haven't the time to watch hours of videos.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Hello Adrian,

The biblical concepts discussed in those videos are quite complex and it would be the best if you found 20 or 30 min per day to watch those videos in segments, and see for yourself all the quotations from the Bible.

The idea of the judgment right after death comes from Old Egypt as the worship of Osiris, the God of the dead. He was the one who measured good works against bad works, and those who did bad went to a bad place, and those that did good went to a good place. There is nothing like that in the bible as to what happens at the time of death. According to the Bible when you die you are no more and there is no thought. And this is already spoken about in the Old Testament, and repeated in the New Testament.

However, there are two times of getting back the eternal life which Adam and Eve lost in the Garden of Eden, and that applies only to the righteous. This is foretold in the Old Testament and repeated in the New Testament. One such occasion takes place at the time of the death of the Messiah – Jesus Christ. The other – at the end of the world, again only for the righteous ones.

The concept of the eternal burning of the wicked ones is also not biblical. They will be simply extinguished as were Sodom and Gomorrah. At that point Satan and all the evil angels will also be extinguished, and there will be no more evil for ever and ever.

I do strongly suggest that you watch those videos in short segments, even if you might internally rebel against some concepts presented, since your believes are very different. However, after all, you use the Bible to prove your point of view on the reality. It could be good to see a wider biblical picture, and not “use the Bible selectively” as you yourself have wisely wrote in another entry in this forum. Also, considering many of your subscribers might be familiar with those many biblical quotations presented in the videos, it might be of benefit for you to also know them.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

I will see if I can find the thing we are bound by that we call "time", but I tend to use virtually all that is allocated to me as it is

Notwithstanding that, the videos from what you say seem religiously motivated and without watching them, again going from what you say, they are fundamentally flawed by virtue of the fact there is no "judgement" or "hell" or any other such fantasy.

If you learn Astral projection you can easily verify that for yourself by visiting the "afterlife", i.e. the Astral, where you will find everyone very happily and harmoniously living there in accordance with their vibration which in turn is relative to the individual characteristics of their Energy field.  Most people that pass on go to the Astral, with the exception of those who go straight on to the inner realms, and those that temporarily become "stuck" close to Earth as what is known as a "ghost". There are no exceptions to this at all.

Regarding the Bible, you can be assured that there is nothing at all "selective" about my reading and understanding of it. I only see the inner meaning and am still bemused how a theological interpretation could ever have been placed upon it.

You also need to understand that the canon of the Bible is a collection of 66 books or so, and little, if anything is known about the authors, what their motivation was or their source of knowledge.

To me the gospels chronicling the teachings of the Master are the most important, but even then no one really knows who wrote the gospels even though it was supposed to have been Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. What I do know however is that they are the words of a Master and a high Initiate and are books of Initiation and Metaphysics.

Many other books of the Bible seem to be historical or contrived, but quite a few of them seem to be inspired, in other words inspired by Source - Corinthians for example I believe is inspired.

Revelation is a phenomenal work with as much depth as the gospels.

I intuitively know which books are of significance and which are not by their content, and that is all that matters to me.

I never "rebel" against anything. I treat all information objectively and either agree or disagree plain and simple. To "rebel" is no better that religious zealots steadfastly upholding a doctrine just because someone, often their parents told them it was true, without the slightest idea of why they think that way.

I sometimes get these "religious representatives" coming to my door which is always good fun I am always highly respectful and courteous while of course questioning them on the basis for their beliefs and chosen belief system. They often look as if they want to make a run for it at that point, but the first question I always ask is this:

"Why did you choose this particular religion as the basis for your belief system as opposed to the many other variations"?

They never answer of course, so I suggest the reason is quite simply that they were born into a family that follows that particular religion, as were their parents, and their parents before them going back over generations. In other words they haven't the slightest idea of why they do what they do and believe what they believe, they are simply conforming to the wishes of their parents, after which they think about it for a minute and always agree.

The only other answer they seem to have for anything is "because the Bible says so", and if I say where and how do they arrive at that interpretation, they can never provide an answer.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

I sometimes get these "religious representatives" coming to my door ...

Hello Adrian,

I wander why you create this type of reality. I never have anybody like that coming to my door...