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Our Ultimate Reality Newsletter
24 January 2010

Lucifer Conspiracy
Before moving on to our main subject of discussion this week, I would like to shed some Light on what is clearly an object of confusion - even fear - that of "Lucifer".
Now I have mentioned Lucifer in recent newsletters in the context of "Luciferian Mind", but it is apparent from messages received that "Lucifer" is much misunderstood, and still regarded as a religious icon and object of much fear and trepidation - due largely to religious doctrine.

The Roman Church introduced the doctrine of "lucifer", "satan", and other such fearful names and the images and fear thus invoked, several hundred years ago as a further means of controlling a congregation which was becoming increasingly discontent with church doctrines and dogma alone - i.e. it was control through fear.
But where did this latest "big stick" originate?

There is nothing in the Bible referring to, or remotely implying a fiery depiction of a “hell” with its flames and rivers of molten lava, or indeed being “cast down there".
Notwithstanding this, adherents of this religion believe and accept the dogma so deeply and so blindly, that they continue to use it as an object of threat. I have received countless messages over the years from "well meaning" people warning me that unless I stop what I am doing I will "burn in damnation for all eternity".
Now although there were references in the Bible to “Hades” - who is the Greek God of the Underworld - there were no references to any sort of "hell like" place or associated "punishment". Jesus was an Expression of Unconditional Love - as are we All - and would never use such scare tactics to exert his Will.

Also keeping in Mind that Jesus spoke Aramaic, as did most people of the region of the era. Aramaic was not a literal language - it was more of a symbolic language - and cannot be transliterated or translated verbatim. The Gospels were written by a person or people unknown several decades after the passing of both Jesus and his Disciples, from memories and anecdotal stories passed down through generations.

The doctrine of a fiery “hell”, where “sinners burn for all eternity” – the doctrine most feared by the congregation - was actually first introduced by the Roman church around the 14th century following the publication of a work by Italian playwrite Dante Alighieri, entitled “Purgatorio al Paradiso” - literally "Purgatory" and "Paradise".
“Purgatorio al “Paradiso" depicted what the church describes as “Hell” and “Heaven”.
This work was also in fact the origin of “Dante’s Inferno” , named after the author and his fiery creation which describes this flaming “hell” or "inferno".
“Purgatorio al “Paradiso" was also the origin of the so called “seven deadly sins”, which, the story tells, are the steps leading to being “cast down” in to this “inferno.
Now this was an ideal and most timely occurrence the Roman religion which, at the time, was looking for a much bigger and more powerful stick to wield, and with which to maintain its stranglehold over the congregation, warning that anyone tempted by one or more of the newly introduced “seven deadly sins”, namely – “limbo”, “lust”, “gluttony”, “greed”, “sloth”, “heresy” and “violence” would be "cast down" to the "fiery damnation" of this "Inferno", presided over by Lucifer, satan, “devil” for all eternity.
“Limbo” incidentally is the “gateway sin” at the threshold of "purgatory", which gave rise to the expression for those notionally between Earth and hell - “being in Limbo”.

The teaching of the Truth of Reincarnation had already been removed from the church doctrines some centuries before, so that people would not risk flaunting the church “laws” in the knowledge that they would always come back for another go.
So you see, all of these doctrines have been contrived, distorted or added, not to lend understanding and value Eternal Teachings of Truth and Evolution of Humanity, but instead to turn the screws of power and control over billions of human beings in the face of an awakening people, awakening to the Real Truth of our Divine Nature.

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Lucifer is in fact a metaphor for and symbolic of Individual Mind, which, while Evolving through the medium of the physical Universe is known as "Higher Self.
Higher Self manifests personalities, physical world as Ego, to collect further Evolutionary Experience.

Individual Mind was "separated" from Christ Mind, Source Mind "in the Beginning".
Before this "separation" All Mind was Unified as One – Expressed as Perfection.

Now I should make it clear that all "separation" is an illusion - albeit a persistent, and for Now, for most, a necessary one. Ultimately there is only Mind, Source Mind, of which All is an Equal Aspect and Expression - All are One.

It is the Ultimate and Most Divine Objective of Lucifer Mind - Individual Mind - to Return to and Reunite with Christ Mind through the Process of Evolution Facilitated by Divine Freewill. Thus the Divine Circle is Complete but yet Eternal - without "beginning" or "end" in the Only Eternal Moment of Now.
Once the cycle of "incarnation" is complete, and an Expression of Higher Self, an Incarnation, a Personality achieves Full Potential - Enlightenment - then Ego Mind is no more and Higher Self assumes the identity of Final Incarnation becoming a complete, Individual Spirit in the Higher Realms of Vibration, moving on to much a Greater Role in the Grand Scheme of things, beyond the comprehension of the Earthly Mind. Yet this is the Glorious Destiny of All humans without exception.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan (Scroll down to "Satan in Christianity"Smiley In the Christian understanding of the holy Hebrew scriptures, the one named Satan (also the Devil) is shown to be an Angel who rebelled against God, the one who spoke through the serpent and seduced Eve into disobeying God's command. Before his opposition against God, Satan was the "HIGHEST OF ALL ANGELS = ARCHANGEL, which is a superior or higher ranking Angel." Also known as The "BRIGHTEST IN THE SKY" = MORNING STAR", and "LUCIFER is a name for the MORNING STAR". The best-known "FALLEN ANGEL is SATAN." His pride is considered a reason why he would not bow to God as all other angels did, but sought to rule heaven himself. In Christianity he is called "THE RULER OF THE DEMONS" (Matt. 12:24).


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The Bible calls Satan by many different names. Each name has a slightly different meaning. The many other names for Satan give a fuller picture of who Satan is and what he does. There are more names for Satan in the Bible than for anyone else except Jesus Christ.

Abaddon
Hebrew name for Satan meaning “Destruction”. “And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11

Accuser
“Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, ‘Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.’” Revelation 12:10

Adversary
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” 1 Peter 5:8

Angel of light
“And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.” 2 Corinthians 11:14

Angel of the bottomless pit
“And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11

Anointed covering cherub
"You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones." Ezekiel 28:14

Antichrist
“And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.” 1 John 4:3

Apollyon
Greek name for Satan meaning “Destroyer”. “And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11

Beast
“9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, ‘If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.’” Revelation 14:9,10 Who is the beast?

Beelzebub
“Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, ‘This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.’” Matthew 12:24

Belial
“And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?” 2 Corinthians 6:15

Deceiver
“So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9

Devil
“He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.” 1 John 3:8

Dragon
“So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9

Enemy
“The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.” Matthew 13:39

Evil one
“I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.” John 17:15

Father of lies
“You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44

God of this age
“Whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” 2 Corinthians 4:4

King of Babylon
“That you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say: ‘How the oppressor has ceased, The golden city ceased!’” Isaiah 14:4

King of the bottomless pit
“And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11

King of Tyre
"Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.”’” Ezekiel 28:12

Lawless one
“8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10

Leviathan
“In that day the LORD with His severe sword, great and strong,
Will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent,
Leviathan that twisted serpent;
And He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.” Isaiah 27:1

Liar
“You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44

Little horn
“ 9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. 10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down.” Daniel 8:9-11

Lucifer
"12 How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
'I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.'” Isaiah 14:12-14

Man of sin
“3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4

Murderer
“44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44

Power of darkness
“13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.” Colossians 1:13, 14

Prince of the power of the air
“1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience.” Ephesians 2:1,2

Roaring lion
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” 1 Peter 5:8

Rulers of the darkness
“For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.” Ephesians 6:12

Ruler of demons
“But some of them said, ‘He casts out demons by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.’” Luke 11:15

Ruler of this world
“31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” John 12:31,32

Satan
“And He was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan, and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered to Him.” Mark 1:13

Serpent of old
“So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9

Son of perdition
“3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4

Star
“Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit.” Revelation 9:1

Tempter
“Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, ‘If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.’” Matthew 4:3

Thief
“The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.” John 10:10

Wicked one
“Above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.” Ephesians 6:16

Hello to All,

Upon reading the newsletter of (24 January 2010), certain thoughts arose, that carried back to those long ago times, when certain bible questions were being wrestled with.
One major thought flow, was with 'The Book of Job', Verses 1: 6 - 12 , where a conversation took place between the 'Lord and Satan'. 
There are other issue's, but will not enter those areas here.

Keep in mind now, that I realize the quoted newsletter, is referencing a 'physical' existence.

What I'm addressing here, is that most all 'reads' about Source / God, make it all sound like it's all a 'done' deal. Like in, end, zap, kaput, no more, cup is full, God is static, bible is now a closed book.

Well, I see and feel it otherways. If humans are on earth to 'experience', what other purpose does it serve, if not to 'funnel' those experiences to a 'dynamic Source' that is periodically making major adjustments to advance the evolutionary process! Seems the bible is hinting that even in the heavenly spheres, there was a 'thinking awareness' in motion. Not everyone was strumming harps, singing, drinking fine wine and just watching sunrises and sunsets.
The hints are indicating, as I see it, that there were surprisingly 'human' emotions already in play. Along with other'goodies', sounds much like 'free will' was already in full bloom at the spiritual level.
Well, this is a long post to this point, so will wrap it up.
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2010, 14:03:19 »



Well, I see and feel it otherways. If humans are on earth to 'experience', what other purpose does it serve, if not to 'funnel' those experiences to a 'dynamic Source' that is periodically making major adjustments to advance the evolutionary process! Seems the bible is hinting that even in the heavenly spheres, there was a 'thinking awareness' in motion. Not everyone was strumming harps, singing, drinking fine wine and just watching sunrises and sunsets.
The hints are indicating, as I see it, that there were surprisingly 'human' emotions already in play. Along with other'goodies', sounds much like 'free will' was already in full bloom at the spiritual level.
Well, this is a long post to this point, so will wrap it up.
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Indeed, sounds like 'human' emotions were already in play. Or Energy Beings who extended these emotions (energies) into being able to see how they can influence (become physically experienced) by surfacing into this place we are right now, perhaps moving farther away from the Center of Emotions. Like sunrays encircling the sun as we know it.

To be able to play with these emotions in another way as in non-non-physical. Hmm ... a just because we can feeling here ~

Also kind of sounds like children squabbling over who Mom and Dad loves more. Now that is a biggie and won't go into that one for now, except to say, it's like being a Parent with more than one child, and all are talking to you at once not hearing anyone's voice but their own while Parent hears all of them at once. Lol ~ Um, been there and done that one for more rides than well can be counted or measured at this point and over it ~ that we are All Loved in the way it takes for us to Live in this Way by realizing Being a Love Being is enough to know for now ~

Yes, Talker, Julia is in her getting under your arm pits over your shoulder, lemme see that may I? Self. rolleyes

Hopping onto her ride and riding ~ while calling out, 'Thank you Talker, I so InJoy my visits with you'.

Be Blessed In Love,

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2010, 21:01:42 »


Hello Talker,

The Lucifer according to the Bible was cast our of the heaven not because he wanted to think for himself, but because “iniquity was found” in him.

Eze 28:15  Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

And what was that iniquity?

Isa 14:13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God.
Isa 14:14  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

He basically wanted to be God.

Here is an example:

You are the head of  a household and set the tone to how your household functions, you basically created that household. You invite a guest to your house. You “created”  a guest in your household. (Lucifer was an angel, a created being). And all of the sudden the guest would say that he wanted to be the head of your household and be treated as such. What would you do? Yes, exactly, kick him out.

It is not that you would  not alow the guest to think for himself. It has nothing to do with the mind, or having a mind of one’s own, but with wanting power that does is not that person's.

There is plenty of opportunity to think for oneself in Heaven, in that higher dimention. Imagine  discovering all the secrets of creation, exploring all the vastness of it, and participating in further strengthening of the beauty, love, peace and harmony.

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Hello Melody  ! Long time since you posted I trust all is well smiley Gary
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2010, 11:48:02 »


Yes, Gary, all is well.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2010, 23:53:06 »

Hello Talker, Melody and All ~



Hello Talker,

The Lucifer according to the Bible was cast our of the heaven not because he wanted to think for himself, but because “iniquity was found” in him.

Eze 28:15  Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

And what was that iniquity?

Isa 14:13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God.
Isa 14:14  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

He basically wanted to be God.

Here is an example:

You are the head of  a household and set the tone to how your household functions, you basically created that household. You invite a guest to your house. You “created”  a guest in your household. (Lucifer was an angel, a created being). And all of the sudden the guest would say that he wanted to be the head of your household and be treated as such. What would you do? Yes, exactly, kick him out.

It is not that you would  not alow the guest to think for himself. It has nothing to do with the mind, or having a mind of one’s own, but with wanting power that does is not that person's.

There is plenty of opportunity to think for oneself in Heaven, in that higher dimention. Imagine  discovering all the secrets of creation, exploring all the vastness of it, and participating in further strengthening of the beauty, love, peace and harmony.


Thank you for sharing Melody. Lucifer was according to some, created as the Music Minister or Minstrel of God. The most beautiful Angel ever created whom fell in Love with His image also known as narcissicism. He elevated himself in his intellect and forgot the Intelligence who created him.

And as the story unfolds, he approaches his Creator or Parent and says, hey, get off the Deed, I'll take over now and run the house and all my brothers and sisters can be delegated to me. Take a vacation. So, the Parents take a vacation and come HOME to find the place in absolute destruction ( the idea of there being a 1st Earth) and its like all hell breaks lose in Heaven.

Child is sent to their room, sneaks out the window and is rebellious and creates a whole other world where it gets to be the ruler ...

Beauty and disfunction working together ...

pardon my humor ... this story reminds me of my ex-partner ...

anyway ~ as the story goes ~ nothing doing ~

musing out loud in childlike fashion these deep deep studies ~

Seeing with open eyes the wonder of IT all ~

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 10:49:27 »




Lucifer... elevated himself in his intellect and forgot the Intelligence who created him.

...creates a whole other world where it gets to be the ruler ...


Hello Julia,

I would not describe Lucifer as elevating himself "in his intellect", but rather it appears to me he had a very bad case of an ego and power trip.

He did not create a whole other world. That planet was created by God, who allowed him to exile himself here, especially because he was able to manipulate the original inhabitants - Adam and Eve - to believed him rather than God. God allows a free will, regardless where it would lead an individual.

Is being on a power trip and being canning an intellect? It might appear to be clever, and many manipulative people are referred to as very clever. It might also lead to great success and to power and control. But I personally would not call it either intellect or wisdom, but I would definitely refer to God as being infinitely wise.

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2010, 13:47:33 »


Hello Julia,

I would not describe Lucifer as elevating himself "in his intellect", but rather it appears to me he had a very bad case of an ego and power trip.

He did not create a whole other world. That planet was created by God, who allowed him to exile himself here, especially because he was able to manipulate the original inhabitants - Adam and Eve - to believed him rather than God. God allows a free will, regardless where it would lead an individual.

Is being on a power trip and being canning an intellect? It might appear to be clever, and many manipulative people are referred to as very clever. It might also lead to great success and to power and control. But I personally would not call it either intellect or wisdom, but I would definitely refer to God as being infinitely wise.


Hello Melody,

This is where diversity becomes interesting as we all share from our unique positions or perspectives.

I observe intellect being the stepping stone to a Higher Intelligence. Sharing from being removed from my intellect and invited into the unknown ~ from my own reasoning mind to a Higher Mind's ways of Reasoning. I came to a place where I was open and willing to let go of what I thought I knew and once believed and I invited the God of All Living to Be my Best Friend.

Ego based on intellect is what I observe as the platform for fueling power trips. Inviting to know who would we be without our intellects?

There are those who share in the idea that once Lucifer was denied the Seat of Desire, to be the One Sustaining Source of All that Is, he left his Home and set up his own place of residence, hiding as it were in a form unlike Original Being.

Referencing the Garden of Eden, the first likeness made in the image (Idea) of God was before this likeness was clothed in flesh.

The Tree of Life story is interesting and again, I am only sharing what letting go of previously 'taught' ideas were to be open to seeing it from another persective. Not attempting in any way to pull rabbits out of a hat here. Just sharing along with you in the mix.

In the totality of possiblities, it is possible that to set up a limitation in Paradise is a revealing of what transpired before the physical manifestation of the Universe as we know it.

That this one was not given to know the Mind of God being an Angel and so, a limitation occured to this one being able to experience being the One Source of All.

To eat from this tree, would open one to the Divine Mysteries of the ONE Source of Life, in this case according to a powerful Angel named Lucifer. To do this in a state of rebellion as Lucifer currently was in the position of being at this point well the implications are open to interpretations.

Power can be experienced by doing great things. Yet the ability to do great things terribly exists as well and we have all been witnesses to such things.

This leads to ones interpretation of Jesus and what he was actually here to do. Another possibility is that Jesus was Source taking on a human form to come and reason with his estranged 'son' known as Lucifer who then showed this one what he created and offered to give it all to his Parent if the Parent would 'switch' places with him. Just a musing here.

So, in closing Melody, we can speculate all we want to here and intellectualize yet there remains a Higher Mind who does know all these things and the One Law that sustains everything is Love. For God is Love.

And ones like Jesus came to share that it is by Love alone that one can heal to the depths of ones disillusioned mind, intellect and be renewed by being intimately in relationship with ones Real Parent.

Taking it back to the root cause that began in deception and rebellion. Setting the captives free from intellect and tapping into the One True Mind of All that Is.

I am InJoying my conversation with you and appreciate your willingness to consider and commune with me on these ideas.

InJoy this day ~

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 17:02:37 »


Hello Julia,

You mentioned the Tree of Life in your post. Surely you must have meant the Tree of Good and Evil, the fruit of which was cunningly suggested as good to eat to Eve and Adam by the serpent, and this is how they lost the access to the Tree of Life.

I was strictly keeping to the Bible passages and quotations as this is how Talker began this discussion thread.

I totally agree with you that not all the mysteries of God, his creation, and the Universe are known to us. Our knowledge is really very minute and terribly insufficient. This is why I said to Talker higher up in the thread that there would be a lot of opportunity of thinking for ourselves and of learning in a higher spiritual dimension than where we are right now.

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 18:40:54 »

Dear All,


In Kabbalah the whole Bible (Torah) is just a coded story, of great insight into the human psyche. Every story, while it may bear a root from a historycal reality, is as a matter of fact just a landmark in apprehending the spiritual knowledge necessary for our evolution (or corection).

The Devil as translated in English the actual Aramaic word in the closest possible translation stands for Adversary, which is none other than human Ego, or desire for the Self alone.
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I believe the Tree of Life that Julia is referring at is the Tree of Life described in Kabbalah. This is a very simplistic video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M7swers36U  and I mean VERY simplistic, but a VERY good start.  And yes Melody it is the one and very Tree of Good and Evil (if you prefer this denomination). Now... a provoking though - after watching the video clip - what 'eating the apple' means?!?

Oh, just as a sidenote - going back to Genesis story, I want to remind you that in The Garden of Eden Adam and Eve didn't "yet" had the human form as we might be prone to assume... (And the LORD God made garments of "skins" for the man and for his wife, and clothed them. Gen. 4.3.20)




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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2010, 21:22:49 »

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What I'm addressing here, is that most all 'reads' about Source / God, make it all sound like it's all a 'done' deal. Like in, end, zap, kaput, no more, cup is full, God is static, bible is now a closed book.
Well, I see and feel it otherways.
If humans are on earth to 'experience', what other purpose does it serve, if not to 'funnel' those experiences to a 'dynamic Source' that is periodically making major adjustments to advance the evolutionary process!
Seems the bible is hinting that even in the heavenly spheres, there was a 'thinking awareness' in motion.
Not everyone was strumming harps, singing, drinking fine wine and just watching sunrises and sunsets.
The hints are indicating, as I see it, that there were surprisingly 'human' emotions already in play.
Along with other'goodies', sounds much like 'free will' was already in full bloom at the spiritual level.

Have re-quoted part of my original post, leaving out 'set the scenario' part of bible usage. 

I did enjoy the followup comments.

Let me pose a question for 'thought pondering'.

Not what the bible says or mentioned.

What do you personally think about, on what I'm asking here!

Is 'Source/Universal Mind' a done deal, (nothing more can be added)!

Before you answer, reread my re-quoted post.
Now share those thoughts.
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2010, 22:31:20 »


I believe the Tree of Life that Julia is referring at is the Tree of Life described in Kabbalah. This is a very simplistic video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M7swers36U  and I mean VERY simplistic, but a VERY good start.  And yes Melody it is the one and very Tree of Good and Evil (if you prefer this denomination). Now... a provoking though - after watching the video clip - what 'eating the apple' means?!?

Oh, just as a sidenote - going back to Genesis story, I want to remind you that in The Garden of Eden Adam and Eve didn't "yet" had the human form as we might be prone to assume... (And the LORD God made garments of "skins" for the man and for his wife, and clothed them. Gen. 4.3.20)


Hello Laura,

I watched the video, and it striked me very much that the Kabbalah Tree of Life the man discusses is more how to balacne the life in this physical dimention. The tree of life in the Bible is the Tree of Eternal Life one can partake in once accepting God completely and with no iniquity in the higer dimention.

The man also mistakenly sais that Joshua - Jesus made a statement "As above, so below". This statment actually comes from
The Emerald Tablet written presumably by Hermes Trismegistus.
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2010, 22:48:58 »


Hello Talker,

God created the physical dimension, he knows what it is and he does not need to experience it.

The human iniquities: unbalanced emotions, ego and power trips, are the ones which would bring one into the physical dimension.  Does God has a need to experience such things? I personally do not believe so. He gives his created beings an option to experience these for themselves if they choose so since he gives everybody a free will. It is up to the being to either stay close to God and participate in his magnificent and glorious creation, or to prefer to be caught in the physical dimension and struggle with all sort of negative emotions, deprivations, wars, etc. All of those who chose to experience human emotions in "Heaven" ended up in the physical dimension, or were given the physical dimention as their sole domain.

Do you find a harp music not to your liking? I am sure you will be able to create a more amusing instrument for a pastime or play, if not for music. There are so many mysteries of life and of God's creation that can preoccupy one endlessly that to limit and describing it just as harp playing and wine drinking is quite narrow indeed.


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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2010, 22:55:06 »


The man also mistakenly sais that Joshua - Jesus made a statement "As above, so below". This statment actually comes from
The Emerald Tablet written presumably by Hermes Trismegistus.


Dear Melody,

I believe the man doesn't exactly speak from the official Bible we are accustomed with.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=l_GNJuwREu0C&pg=PA183&lpg=PA183&dq=yeshua+as+above+so+below&source=bl&ots=Jydp70s4Y0&sig=kPrR2FGmMa_zGny_qyIau96KW44&hl=en&ei=G4pvS5DkI5HU8Qbe0vD7BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=yeshua%20as%20above%20so%20below&f=false

Also there is much more to Kabbalah than I ever have time to go through. The Tree of Life that you see in it's simple form changes into Jakob's Ladder as the human progresses in its evolution back to the Source, or at least very close to it.
http://www.cliverichardweeks.com/esoteric/articles/jacobs_ladder.jpg

As you can see in the image the Tree of Life ascends, from world to world (world means sphere of perception).
Because in Kabbalah is forbidden to even talk about Source - forbidden means it's beyond our comprehension, and is useless going there (explaining, understanding God) won't get us anywhere but into a mental asylum.

And yes Kabbalah is more about on how to make this life here good, not sure about balance because in order to make this life here good sometimes you have to go through a lot of chaos - making this life good here and now, means getting at the root of all the desires and bringing them at the surface and not pray/instrument of control to the Devil (Adversary, Ego, desire for Self alone).


 The tree of life in the Bible is the Tree of Eternal Life one can partake in once accepting God completely and with no iniquity in the higer dimention.


Yes. The Garden of Eden, and The Kingdom are here and now, and the Tree of Life - as opposed to the Tree showed in the video is a perfect tree - that is what we become as word goes, or as you said 'accepting God completelly' - easier said than done, else we won't be here talking. "I and the Father are One".

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2010, 23:30:39 »

Dear Talker and Melody,

In my humble opinion you are both right. Well if we are to draw from spiritual knowledge so far.


As word goes the Universe expands - and I mean the ALL Universe. This means that indeed we expand along with all there is in the Universe, and through us Source experiences this expansion. Then when the necessary Aeons are done it shall all contract - quantum physicists say back into that pea of Energy it all come from in the first place (what the bleep do they now anyway...)...anyway...

....from human perspective All and everything is an expansion as of what we can perceive...

However!! where the center of it All is there is no time, thus the expansion is not perceived the same way, and nothing increases or decreases because Source is All, you cannot substract or add anything to Source. (this is very well described in The Kybalion).


The bottom line is that we cannot possibly know all there is. The main reason we were created is that we experience all the possible joy and bliss that can possibly be experienced.
All of us.




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