SO what is it?

[Heather]

My question lies here.

Why is it that we will quote : "God created man in his own image, in the image of God created
he him.  Male and Female he created he them.", and believe it entirely to mean something true, yet at the same time, NOT believe other sayings and teachings in the bible?

What is the difference?  Why is one thing "right" and the other "misinterpretation?"

If you can't believe one thing in the bible, then what makes you believe another?

It just seems very selective.

I am trying to understand all of this.

As for me, I was born in a very christian home.  Raised to believe that I had to accept
Jesus as my lord and saviour in order to go to heaven.  I simply believed and developed a
love for this "Jesus" whom I had never actually met.  When I was younger and read the bible
to myself at night in true eagerness to know this God, this Jesus, and the Truth, I would interpret the verses to mean different things in my heart then what I was being taught in Sunday school.  Pretty abstract things at that.  Now that I am older and feel that I am finding the "truth" once again.  My innocent thoughts "then" are returning to me "now". I was always told that new age, and all these other teachings were of the devil and pure deception.  The problem ultimately is that I studied the bible so deeply and always found so many contradictions and things that just did not put my heart in harmony with who I personally thought God to be.  I didn't understand why the bible was so difficult to understand.  If God truely loved me and wanted to know me and wanted the best for me, then why was I having such a hard time knowing the truth of the bible?  All my teachers were telling me what to believe and I just always felt torn.  Why would God make it so easy for people to go to this place called HELL?  Where you apparently are punished, and burned forever.  Separate from the love of God?  Why did Jesus have to die for me when I had not even been born yet and why do I have to go to Hell if I don't blindly believe what these preacher's want me to believe.
Jesus made God sound so wonderfull and other places in the bible God sounded so egotistical and angry.  Even when I was little, I wondered what kind of a God demands to be worshipped and loved?  It just didn't make sense.  I am still trying to make sense of all this.  What does it truely mean to be a christian and do I have to be one?  I feel so much more comfortable with all that I have been learning  within the pages of this website and others that are similar then what I have been raised to believe.  I absolutely Love everything that I have been learning.  It brings peace to my heart and my mind.  Also, it makes "Sense".  I don't know, I am still learning.  My ultimate goal is to 100% totally understand!  I need to understand.
I apologize for the long rambling here.  It probobly doesn't even make much sense. I have so much more to say than what is written here.  I just have not had anyone to talk to about this.
So again, I am sorry.  I look forward to hearing what others believe and have learned.  Me?
I am always searching for the truth.
  

 

[Werp Weg Alles]

No need to be sorry Heather, in fact I'd LOVE to hear more of your ideas and beliefs,

I was raised in a very strict Lutheran(reformist branch of Catholicism) household.  When my parents originally found out I was reading about a different truth then the one of the Christian God and etc...they were VERY angry.  I was sent almost daily to my pastor who would tell me how it was surely the work of lucifer(which actually means bringer of light) the devil, or another such negative being. 

I then asked him, why if Jesus says himself that a few things God gives us are faith, hope, and love, and the greatest is love.  Would God not love me unconditionally?  My pastor became very upset and "flustered" and said that of course God loved me.  Then I really confused him and asked if he would send his son or daughter to a place where they'd suffer eternally where you'd never be able to see them again.  And of course his answer was no never blah blah etc....So then I said, if you, a human, made in the image of God finds the idea of throwing your son or daughter into hell, how can a perfect God who is supposed to love us unconditionally even begin to think of sending one of his dear children into hell, to be punished at the hands of the devil.  My pastor was speechless and then said becuase God gives us choice or something like that.

So then I went on and asked why an all powerful God, who himself says that love is the greatest power would still show the opposite emotions of love.  I asked why he simply wouldn't eradicate it from his being with his powerfulness.  My pastor looked at me, and he said you don't have to come to church anymore if you don't feel its necessary.  Clearly God has blessed with you a path that will lead to all those answers and when you find them, let me know.

So anyway, the whole point of that is, Jesus was a great teacher, however he himself says that most people don't get the true meaning behind what hes saying.  The religion based around Jesus was created by the same people who had just killed him, the roman government.  They made it during the decline of the armies, but lo and behold a new way to control the masses was created. 

The bible is a very beautiful work at a lot of points, however, the only actual teachings in it are from Jesus.  The rest that we still interpret today is all written by men. 

If your interested in the whole truth etc....Adrian's Our Ultimate Reality book is a GREAT place to start. Its a easy to read HUGE manual on life, and humans evolutionary path.
 
Wishing You All The Best,

Werp

[oneness]

Hello Heather,

According to me , the humanity was BEYOND HYPNOSİS for thousands of years..Now,it's time to wake up..!

They prevented us, to remember ' WHO WE ARE'..They wanted us to forget,how MAGNİFİCENT WE ARE..because we are all CREATORS..We are all ONE..and WE are ALL UNİVERSAL ENERGY..

If ,anything gives harm to this connection and ONENESS..can not be a REALİTY..Just like religion, racism ...etc.

Religions separates humanity ,not connects..Have a look please,for thousands of years 'Religion Wars' caused millions of people died during the history..And what a shame! The religion wars are still going on..3 big religion,they all say 'THERE İS ONE GOD'..
And isn't it so funny that ;they are killing each other for the reason of 'MY GOD, İS BETTER THAN YOURS'..
Even ,many sects in same religion..can not agree.. What can GOD do ?

Of course many benefits underneath...POWER ,ECONOMİCAL BENEFİT,EGOS etc..

As Einstein have been  told 'If we make the same experience ,with same datas..we reach to the same results'..
So something must change and its CHANCİNG..because we RE-MEMBER 'Who we are'..

Dear Heather, my path is..I DON'T WANT ANY BOOK OR PERSON ,BETWEEN THE UNİVERSAL ENERGY AND ME..I CAN FEEL AND CONNECT İN EVERY WHERE ,ESPECİALLY İN NATURE. SO I  DON'T NEED ANY SPECİAL PLACE..like churche,mosque or synagogue..

I'We began to search realities..







 

[Werp Weg Alles]

Very true oneness.

Religion is only a means of control, of separation.  The teachings of some are good as in Unconditional Love, however these cannot be achieved by simply praising a God who demands obedience and praise. 

Everyone needs to be truly aware that we are all one and one is in all of us.  We create our own reality, and we are evolving back to the source, "God" of whom we are all aspects there-of.

Until Our paths cross again,

Werp

[Heather]

Thank you so much the both of you for making me NOT feel alone.
I know that I'm not alone, or I never would have found this forum.
I plan on getting the book "Our Ultimate Reality".  I feel such a sense
of peace, relief, joy, and hope when I read what I have been reading on
this site.  I look forward to every new thing that I learn or "Re-Member".
I found this site by Truly searching out the "TRUTH". 
And, I am serious.  I was searching in all my spare time. It's hard when
everything you have believed or THOUGHT you believed your entire life begins
to change.  It was such a "Freeing" feeling at the same time as a scary feeling.
 I look forward to reading every article on this site as well as the book.  I hope it will reveal what I am looking for.
Christianity in a way has made me afraid to be wrong.  The more I allow myself
to think the way I have, the more disengaged I become from my prior beliefs.
It's funny because I have been so much happier since my eyes have been open
to this way of thinking.  It was like my WHOLE world changed!  Then I would
be flipping thru the channels and I would see this very famous preacher preaching
about the end times and how the Judgement is going to be and the Whole thing!
That pulled at my heart strings for a moment and made me wonder if I was making
a mistake.  Just as I have sought out and studied the bible and the history of the bible,
I will do the same with the belief system that I have recently found.  I have much to
learn.  I believe God wants me to learn.  I really don't think he wants me to just believe
what ever someone tells me to believe just because everyone is.  Like I said before, I
really do look forward to seeing where this journey takes me!
It was nice to hear from the two of you!         

[oneness]

Dear Heather,

There is no right ,no wrong ..There are only consequences..

In our lifes,we live many dramas..many experiences ..Which are the opportunies ,leading us to learn...
Everything in the universe is perfect,as it must be..I beleive ,our main aim in life is; to have connection with source and really feel (know)WHO WE ARE..Not only in words, but by feeling inside..

Please, don't worry to make mistake..Because, there is no mistake..We are freewilled by source with choices and possibilities..We can't learn without experiences..The place we live is a play ground..We can write our scenario and begin to play..We can change the actors if we wish and if it needs..We can chance the decor..It's your choice..
But we are also responsible of our own choices..without playing the role of victim ..or accusing somebody else..
                                                                                                                                                                                     I trust life and beleive everything is for my benefit in the higher perpective..even the bad (no bad too)events in our life..I prefer to flow with life without forcing and resisting...

Before an action; if I feel enthusiasm I go straight ..because it serves my inner part..If I feel irritating emotions I try to change my way immediately..because it serves to my ego..and it's not natural at all..So ,it gives harm to my balance..

Dear Heather ; yes, we can learn from books and from teachers alot..but more by our experiences ..
So , please write your own scenario ...and act..

ONENESS                                                                                                                                 

[Werp Weg Alles]

That was some of the best advice I've heard YET oneness.

It all is very true

And rings with understanding.

Thank you for sharing your insight.  And I hope Heather can read and understand and grow from it as well

Thanks Again,

Werp

[Talker]

Greetings Heather,
and all on this topic.

As I read through the posts here, I can relate to the angst displayed by the words written. Have, in my blogs,posted thoughts that to me, were so far out from what I was raised with, that I was concerned even posting them. As you open your heart and mind to the possibility, that our upbringing beliefs, may have been flawed, so to speak, then a new chain of light and thoughts commences. It is not easy to realize and cope with, that our teachers, regardless of relationships to us, just may have been incorrect in their beliefs about the nature of God. Now, I assign no fault or blame on any of my childhood teachers. Those teachers could only pass along what they were taught. Very few dared to cross the line in belief factors. Time has altered the severity and consequences of bucking the accepted dogma of the time. What one finds in their search for answers to the unrest one feels in their heart, must resonate in harmony with their heart and soul, as long as no hurt or harm, is caused to another. The starting point, I believe, is the recognition that God is not a person, place or thing. God just IS. Whatever that may be, is the hard part to comprehend and believe in. As in a chess game, ( not saying life is a chess gamer) rearrange your thoughts and questions ( a slow process) and each move of thought, will reflect new possibility's. Not that all the new found answers are necessarily correct, but could alleviate the gnawing at ones soul, that was troublesome  to ones feelings.
Thoughts as regards the bible is another post.