So we decided to come here?

[mcdwg11]

Since discovering my journey and trying to learn as much as I can from any resources I can find including this forum which by the way in my opinion I feel I have found a very solid base where I can find answers and learn from everyone; I have read in many instances that we chose to be here, we chose our path, everything related to our physical existence from beginning to end.

So is everyone from the source required to come here to gain experience or are there some that never go though the physical reality and if that is the case why some of us chose to be here and others didn't.

Are we the bolder ones or are we the ones requiring the most experience? Are there other physical realities that others go to?

Thank you for any replies

Ruben

[Talker]

Hello Ruben and All Sharing Souls,

Well now, off with the moderator hat, due to all the personal thoughts here.
Neat question you raise here. First off, lets clear the air regards any 'having to come here'. No, no one is forced or required to go through this life's drama on earth. But yes, to there being bolder, and more willing souls to experience the flesh, in order to balance out Sources ambiance for further adjustments .

Now this is of course, my take, on 'what happens' at the higher levels. Is it required to take place! Would have to say 'yes', otherwise, it makes no sense.

With a smile now, I do believe that even Source was a tad amazed at the ingenuity of mankind, (Sources creation) in the 'how and what' man can 'dramatize' with only a slight effort from mans actions. Not all or many will agree, as it does sound rather far fetched, that such a thing could actually happen. Do keep in mind though, that we are all bits of God in action, designed to implement and experience, so as to get a new and improved end result.

Do believe that there are Souls, that are at work, for (unknown reasons) that never experienced, nor have a desire to experience what we on earth, are going through.
So some what like the Star Trek, crew, we have gone where no soul has ever gone, gaining every bit of the experience flavor.

As to 'other physical realities' will hold that in abeyance, lest I firmly convince you 'how far out I am' in thoughts.

Kind of neat thought though, to have a Creator that wanted to stretch to the extreme, on what experiences could be worked up, if billions upon billions of Source bits, were let loose to experience every imaginable and unimaginable configuration, ones mind can manifest. Hey, nothing dull here.
Now back on with the mods hat.
Sheesh, that's beyond 'normal insanity'.
Be Well

[mcdwg11]

Hello Ruben and All Sharing Souls,

Well now, off with the moderator hat, due to all the personal thoughts here.
Neat question you raise here. First off, lets clear the air regards any 'having to come here'. No, no one is forced or required to go through this life's drama on earth. But yes, to there being bolder, and more willing souls to experience the flesh, in order to balance out Sources ambiance for further adjustments .

Now this is of course, my take, on 'what happens' at the higher levels. Is it required to take place! Would have to say 'yes', otherwise, it makes no sense.

With a smile now, I do believe that even Source was a tad amazed at the ingenuity of mankind, (Sources creation) in the 'how and what' man can 'dramatize' with only a slight effort from mans actions. Not all or many will agree, as it does sound rather far fetched, that such a thing could actually happen. Do keep in mind though, that we are all bits of God in action, designed to implement and experience, so as to get a new and improved end result.

Do believe that there are Souls, that are at work, for (unknown reasons) that never experienced, nor have a desire to experience what we on earth, are going through.
So some what like the Star Trek, crew, we have gone where no soul has ever gone, gaining every bit of the experience flavor.

As to 'other physical realities' will hold that in abeyance, lest I firmly convince you 'how far out I am' in thoughts.

Kind of neat thought though, to have a Creator that wanted to stretch to the extreme, on what experiences could be worked up, if billions upon billions of Source bits, were let loose to experience every imaginable and unimaginable configuration, ones mind can manifest. Hey, nothing dull here.
Now back on with the mods hat.
Sheesh, that's beyond 'normal insanity'.
Be Well

Thank you for the reply Talker. I guess it is a good thing to know that we are here because we want to, this personally gives me motivation to continue my experience here because I know there is a purpose for me here either big or small. It is better to know rather than just live life like a robot adjusting to all the pre-determined laws and rules imposed by society. I think it is sad to see so many families just living this life to satisfy the ego, a big house, the latest cars, with debt up to their neck but always showing that front to satisfy society of how a family should look like, and who knows maybe that is their purpose here that will lead to some learning experience in the end.

So I wonder why is it that we have to start from zero at the mercy of the environment that we will grow up in. For example a child born into alcoholism, drugs, for the most part this child is pre-determined to become part of that environment and in turn be a so called burden to society, is that what he or she chose to do before coming here? I know in the bigger picture there is no bad or good but only experiences but I guess it is just hard to imagine many chosing to be terrorists, or drunk drivers killing people.

Wow just trying to figure this out gives me a headache lol

Ruben

[Talker]

Hello Ruben and All Sharing Souls,

Well now, off with the moderator hat, due to all the personal thoughts here.
Neat question you raise here. First off, lets clear the air regards any 'having to come here'. No, no one is forced or required to go through this life's drama on earth. But yes, to there being bolder, and more willing souls to experience the flesh, in order to balance out Sources ambiance for further adjustments .

Now this is of course, my take, on 'what happens' at the higher levels. Is it required to take place! Would have to say 'yes', otherwise, it makes no sense.

With a smile now, I do believe that even Source was a tad amazed at the ingenuity of mankind, (Sources creation) in the 'how and what' man can 'dramatize' with only a slight effort from mans actions. Not all or many will agree, as it does sound rather far fetched, that such a thing could actually happen. Do keep in mind though, that we are all bits of God in action, designed to implement and experience, so as to get a new and improved end result.

Do believe that there are Souls, that are at work, for (unknown reasons) that never experienced, nor have a desire to experience what we on earth, are going through.
So some what like the Star Trek, crew, we have gone where no soul has ever gone, gaining every bit of the experience flavor.

As to 'other physical realities' will hold that in abeyance, lest I firmly convince you 'how far out I am' in thoughts.

Kind of neat thought though, to have a Creator that wanted to stretch to the extreme, on what experiences could be worked up, if billions upon billions of Source bits, were let loose to experience every imaginable and unimaginable configuration, ones mind can manifest. Hey, nothing dull here.
Now back on with the mods hat.
Sheesh, that's beyond 'normal insanity'.
Be Well

Thank you for the reply Talker. I guess it is a good thing to know that we are here because we want to, this personally gives me motivation to continue my experience here because I know there is a purpose for me here either big or small. It is better to know rather than just live life like a robot adjusting to all the pre-determined laws and rules imposed by society. I think it is sad to see so many families just living this life to satisfy the ego, a big house, the latest cars, with debt up to their neck but always showing that front to satisfy society of how a family should look like, and who knows maybe that is their purpose here that will lead to some learning experience in the end.

So I wonder why is it that we have to start from zero at the mercy of the environment that we will grow up in. For example a child born into alcoholism, drugs, for the most part this child is pre-determined to become part of that environment and in turn be a so called burden to society, is that what he or she chose to do before coming here? I know in the bigger picture there is no bad or good but only experiences but I guess it is just hard to imagine many chosing to be terrorists, or drunk drivers killing people.

Wow just trying to figure this out gives me a headache lol

Ruben

Hello Reuben and All Sharing Souls,
Your welcome
Yes, was ones choice to taste all that an earthly experience can give. Ones personal motivation is the crux to those choices being made, as to actions made. As I understand the pre-birth event, there is a rough script talked on. For some it is highly detailed, for others only minimal details. Much depends on the true purpose of the souls reason for wanting specific experiences. Is also why there is the sad event of a child being born dead, as that specific soul, either needed or wanted, to experience, only a brief entry into the earth plain. You are presented with a pro and con action, to choose from, (on earth) according to what the pre-birth script contained. You choose when presented the 'pro and con action' moment, some what being forced by 'your' own pre-birth AND pre-agreed to script, what path will be taken. In essence, you are testing your self, for wise choices, (not being forced), to either follow a true spiritual path, or succumb to an untrained, as yet, ego.

Ah, here is the real test, as the 'knowing' as you stated, was actually a test designed by you, to see if prior paths taken were the 'right' for you choices, that led you to the 'knowing' point. Mind you, entering the earth plain, you are not aware of 'what' you set yourself for when making the future path choices. The 'robot' aspect arrives, only by having made an incorrect choice, of paths, in the life experiences and choices you made up to that point of either 'knowing or not knowing'.
Yes, it is the choosing and experiencing, that completes each 'learning' curve, in a step by step process. Again, must mention, that you desired to 'learn' in such a fashion, or it would not have shown up to be experienced.
We all primarily start at 'zero' awareness of 'who and what' we are at birth. We all set the 'drama' for that which is desired to be experienced, regardless of how pleasant or horrifying that may sound. Look at all experiences the same as if life, was like a crossword puzzle. Some are tough, some are easier, some defy working it out without erasing some entries. Fill in the blanks correctly and at the right time, and all is well, but if you worked a crossword puzzle knowing all the answers before hand, just spoils the thrill of doing it.

Ah me, if all were perfect to start, how could one actually gain experiences! Some one 'needs' to play the 'bad' guy, in order to allow every type and kind of experience to take place. Unreasonable as it may sound, consider for a moment, that the so called 'bad' guy, (terrorists, drunk drivers, drug addict, serial killer. etc)  choose that path before birth, just to experience it, or supply others with horrific events, so others could experience pain and sadness. I've wrestled with this aspect for many a season.  All theory of course, no real logic that could explain it, just plain old, maybe.

Whether my words assist or enhance the headache, is the question here. Have not found anything that helps one gain any understanding of those difficult to understand, situations and events, so I play out the various scenarios , you've just read one of them.
Be Well

[juliainkc]

Hi Dear Talker and Ruben,

I am InJoying your conversation here. Thank you both for sharing. I am feeling a fruit and nut moment so I'll just share from the bowl what's in it, and I may be adding to the headache as well ...

Again, just a thought, not saying this is the way it is ... hmm, the drunks, drug addicts and terrorists ... our thoughts create our reality, so ... ones actions are revealing their predominant thoughts by their actions ...

This reminds me of a conversation I had with my ex husband many years ago in regards to a book he read by C.S. Lewis, I believe it was called 'The Screw Tape Letters'. It said something to the affect of, a criminal whom is known as a ruthless criminal in one moment has a 'contrary to character' loving thought and does an unseen act of kindness, action based on a kind thought, unseen to the world at large. A just man in one moment has a 'contrary to character' unloving thought and does an act of injustice based on a base thought, unseen to the world at large.

What does this possibly reveal? I don't know for any other, what I can say is that for me this reveals that it is possible that God is in each one, even if I did not know them personally, the possibilty is that there is Godlikeness in each one. For some it may be only a brief glimpse while in others it is apparently clear and shining. How many things have we thought and done that would be considered 'good' works by others and have gone unseen? And how many things have we thought and done that would be considered 'bad' or contrary by others to our character that has gone unseen?

Only we know what lies in our own hearts and we can only see what is in another by their actions yet we do not see another at all times ... we see only partially ...

So, for myself in all the head banging moments of considering these things in regards to why one would choose to be born to an alcoholic parent or a drug addict, hmm ... As Talker shares here, once we are here, we can alter the experience by being given freewill to choose ... there are many whom have been born into less than desirable conditions yet rose above them by the choices they made and these choices began as very young children ...

It is not so much the circumstances that mold the 'man' but the character of the 'man' is revealed by his actions and how he responds to it. The circumstance reveals the Heart of the man. And man can choose. That is what I see in these things. We can choose to do anything we really believe about ourself we are.

And this has been shown by example in ones whom rose above these type of upbringings to become excellent and shining examples of this idea.

The ones whom chose to repeat the patterns of what we define as dark behaviour and abuse? It is a possibilty that to them, they really believed they were doing what they defined as the right thing for them.

I will say, that in reading about some of the more 'famously' known ones whom had reigns of terror, Peace was nowhere in the description of their lives. Just something I noticed ...

Strange as all this fruit and nut mix may sound ... how's that headache now?!?  

Thank you both for allowing me to join in ...

Love in Spirit,

Julia


Oh no Julia more? Well, just a little ... I have also been of the idea that since we are all aspects of the One Mind, the possibility also exists that we are having all these experiences as 'others' at the same 'time', we are seeing what we are capable of in all these things given the proper equation of each circumstance to choose what will be the dominating character.

This makes us to be quite vast and powerful in our Minds ~ just another thought flowing through ~

[guitar101]

I think it is sad to see so many families just living this life to satisfy the ego, a big house, the latest cars, with debt up to their neck but always showing that front to satisfy society of how a family should look like, and who knows maybe that is their purpose here that will lead to some learning experience in the end.

I just wanted to make a comment on this so I will because I choose too  . For me personally I think we exist on this planet for the sole purpose of satisfying our ego, that is doing the things that we truly desire and letting our soul experience the pleasures of material existence, such as the body of another  , and creating new experiences for ourselves such as creating anything which we desire, and I do mean anything. I believe that a large part of mankind has willfully become blind to this and they don't actually satisfy or do the things *one* truly desires and have been focusing too much on the perceptions of others and not their own. I feel that many actually neglect their own egos and conform to others in order to fit in and be like everyone else without thinking, because of fear of how others will perceive them if they choose to do otherwise. It's a personal neglect of ones own ego that has drained so much life out of people it's almost as if they aren't aware of their own souls anymore or that perhaps their souls are no longer possessed by themselves and belong to another entity not of their own creation, but at the same time it is of their own creation since they have let it happen. Alot of people do believe that buying the "best" new car or a big house like that celebrity, and the new thing everyone else says is good is going to make them happy, but they are not happy and they know they aren't happy but not why because of a choice to ignore the real answer.

Life is such a joy, and it took me so long(22 years!) to really realize this and I'm so happy that I finally have figured out its purpose and I can't wait for what happens next in it, it's truly a beautiful journey oscillating through time forever.  

[juliainkc]

Hi guitar101,

A warm welcome to the forums and I appreciate you choosing to comment! Freewill ~

You seem to express a 'contrary' point of view, something I see as you speaking in 'authentic' voice!! Yes?

Speak IT!!

And then remove the idea of 'ego' from the equation ~ we are not meant to not InJoy anything.

What keeps one as you expressed experiencing your Self for '22 years' from 'being happy or experiencing happy' is ...

ones dictionary of terms ... All One is not exclusive, otherwise it is only a temporary high, include your ego and let it be transformed in the fire into the Entire Mix. not one over another, but all One ... looking forward to hearing from you about this everlasting happiness based on the Entire bringing it all back into One Mind of Agreement ...

Much Love in Spirit,

Julia  

[Kadensnga]

mcdwg11  Namaste,
Spiritual awareness is not earned...earned represents a "building up to". At any moment one can choose to embrace awareness of synchronicity and witness IT at work...that is spiritual awareness.... It need not be earned because it is always in the "NOW".

Guitar 101

You are correct that we are not here to experience God, but rather for God to experience itself through us. Dig the handle there home skittles...home squeezable cheese...partner in crime...youknowhutum sayin, you jive talkin turkey... LOL (sorry got off on a creative tangent there) Almost took myself to 'funky town"... you know play that funky music white boy...everybody feels this from time to time yes...Just a periodic Clinton funkadelic outburst? With a little Bootsy Collins on top? With Sly and the family Stone? maybe even gettin all the way down with some bamm-alamm ole black betty

Anybody ever just have to "go there"?

No? Not even just the little "bammalammm" part?

Okay maybe not. Maybe it's just me...Sorry, I have issues...it wasnt my fault.

I think Im picking up what 'someone else' has...you know?

Okay, I'll try to explain:

Sometimes I just "feel" black Betty and I can feel her pain, everybody callin her bammalammm and all... you know like when I do acid. It's almost like Im here, but Im also at black betty's and it's like I can see what she feels man....it's like WHOA... is that a gift? Does God like have a special purpose for me that I can only see when I am FREAKING out on LSD?

No you dont undrstand...seriously...it's like I just "FEEL" the funk in ways no one else can understand... I cant explain it to them, because they arent as gifted or evolved, and none of my spiritual teaching can answer as to why I feel the funk like this... I mean like the bass just vibrates through my whole body and I see these colors... I'm scared of all this funk power I have. Oh my God I just dont understand. I think Im like the funk messiah or something.

Moving on:

Julia,

You are so weird that I gotta love you like a big purple hippo that nobody else can see but me and Aleena, because it's our friend. Nayah!

Great Love to the Talker as well,

"K~ meistro" ~ Aka~ "FunkMaster~K"


Dear Leila,

No my friend I havent fallen off the face of the earth... just more delays...had to take pc back to the shop again till monday, and enjoying the sabbaticol with my kids in the meantime... dont worry, I will rise again in 3 days....and be coming at you like a freight train... get ready. WHOOO WHOO!

Love,

I told my grandson, boy "you are like my twin flame"....and you know he said back to me? he said "So, YOu are like my twin hot dog ketchup face"!
It was then I realized that he wasnt my twin flame at all but rather my twin chickin nugget with barb q dressing all over his nose flame...." Of course he thought that was funny and said "Yeah, with french fries all over your face". LOL

My understanding of love's terminology is expanding, as you can see. I never thought I could feel so special being called a ketchup head.

[Leila]

Thank you for keeping me updated, Dearest Friend "K"! 

While you enjoy the time with your Beloved kids, I spend time with the essence of Leila, and revel in communion with Spirit, asking for guidance, assistance in clearing the deep dark depths of the subconsciousness, which are coming to surface for healing, release, forgiveness and letting go.

I am starting to enjoy these "trial" periods, for "compelling" me to look within, pray, purify, grow and ascend. And "observe".

The gifts and delights coming after are worth any genuine feeling of not being always in highest vibes, and allowing myself to experience the earthly journey as it comes my way.

If I had been so enlightened and pure as to never live in lower vibes, I wouldn't have chosen to come and play here, but stayed in perfection in the realm on Spirit, and guide others with Love and Tenderness.

I would say that Beloved Julia is your Twin Flame - as definitely your languages are similar, perfectly blending and very different than the rest. You two sow seeds so beautifully, and nurture them to grow, and play creatively with childlike souls and hearts, in ways that others often don't "get".

I look forward to your "return", and in the meantime send you Love and Blessings and feel Joy for your Happiness.

The same for our Twin Sister Julia - your soul's wonderful reflection - Much Love and Blessings and Gratitude for helping us all grow in Spirit and see our real nature.

Unconditional Love for All Brothers and Sisters,

With special Hugs and Kisses for Laura - who is so Loving and Tender and Understanding, that it touches my heart and makes me smile and feel so good,

Your sister in Spirit,

Leila 

[guitar101]

Kadensnga - I dig the handle too, guitar was the first thing I realised I truly love and I enjoy playing it very much and making music It makes me feel warm inside and I realised this as soon as I picked it up.

Julia - I'm wondering why you have stated that I hold a contrary viewpoint, would you please elaborate on this? I think I know what you mean but I'll wait till you respond to this question before I elaborate on that, thanks!

[Kadensnga]

Guitar lover~ ah, a man after my own heart.

[juliainkc]

Dear guitar101,


My response that carries the 'seems to express 'contrary' term is in parentheses for a reason. It is my way of saying that often a word is defined as an opposite or different way meaning when it is ones unique view/authentic opinion or definition of a word.

That's it in a nutshell ~ 

[guitar101]

Thats not what I thought you were going to say but at the same time it is exactly what I thought you would say and I completely agree with that. Most of my life I've always ignored the truth and always doubted myself and the feelings I have inside of me but over the past year or so I've reached a point in my life where I started to listen to the answers to all of my questions that I have for myself, and I have so many and haven't listened to all of the answers but that's what I'm doing. It's only been a recent revelation to me that I have so much to exist for and how good I feel for loving it all. It's why I love guitar so much, well all musical instruments. I love listening to great compositions inspired by the feelings one has within themselves and the naked beauty of these sounds and the ability it has to resonate with each and everyone and everything. And I love the ability I have to create music for myself to enjoy, it's my best way of expressing myself. I find knowledge in general to be much like this to, its extremely complex but so simple at the same time.

[Kadensnga]

Beautiful words here about the wonderful instrument(s) we both love Guitar101. Love it. You speak for both of us.

Julia, "IT" in a nutshell ~ is much more like: "help! I'm in a nutshell!!! OMG somebody help me get out of this nutshell before a squirrel thinks Im food and trys to eat me. HHEEEELLLLLLLLLLP!! I'm in a nutshell. Somebody save me"!!! LOL

At least that's how I would be.

[mcdwg11]

I think it is sad to see so many families just living this life to satisfy the ego, a big house, the latest cars, with debt up to their neck but always showing that front to satisfy society of how a family should look like, and who knows maybe that is their purpose here that will lead to some learning experience in the end.

I just wanted to make a comment on this so I will because I choose too  . For me personally I think we exist on this planet for the sole purpose of satisfying our ego, that is doing the things that we truly desire and letting our soul experience the pleasures of material existence, such as the body of another  , and creating new experiences for ourselves such as creating anything which we desire, and I do mean anything. I believe that a large part of mankind has willfully become blind to this and they don't actually satisfy or do the things *one* truly desires and have been focusing too much on the perceptions of others and not their own. I feel that many actually neglect their own egos and conform to others in order to fit in and be like everyone else without thinking, because of fear of how others will perceive them if they choose to do otherwise. It's a personal neglect of ones own ego that has drained so much life out of people it's almost as if they aren't aware of their own souls anymore or that perhaps their souls are no longer possessed by themselves and belong to another entity not of their own creation, but at the same time it is of their own creation since they have let it happen. Alot of people do believe that buying the "best" new car or a big house like that celebrity, and the new thing everyone else says is good is going to make them happy, but they are not happy and they know they aren't happy but not why because of a choice to ignore the real answer.

Life is such a joy, and it took me so long(22 years!) to really realize this and I'm so happy that I finally have figured out its purpose and I can't wait for what happens next in it, it's truly a beautiful journey oscillating through time forever.  

Hello Guitar,

I have to say I love this forum because it makes me think even further. I think I may have chosen the wrong words when I said "I think it is sad to see so many families just living this life to satisfy the ego". Maybe I should have said to satisfy society's picture of a perfect family, like you said they are not doing what they really want which could be to travel the world or be a writer, instead many people feel they have to buy, and buy, and buy stuff to feel accepted in society, it may give them temporary happiness but at the end of the day there is no joy in life only desire to have more or uncertainty as to how to pay for everything they have.

Now as far as satisfying the ego, I have to say I find it confusing because isn't satisfying the ego something like winning an argument with a friend even if it means losing that friendship, or is satisfying the ego something like wanting to excel for example in sports.

I mean is there a healthy way of satisfying the ego and unhealthy ways as well?

Ruben