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« on: December 03, 2008, 12:12:26 »



The following series of videos are on how Shamans contact Astral realms. Graham Hancock claims that the encounters in those planes closely mimic the encounters of those who claim they encountered aliens. One even meets beings in those realm that teach and guide, and going there is like going to a school.

But are the planes that shamans reach the ones one should strive for? I have no doubt that there are even higher planes, since those describe in the interview have beings which are also not benevolent.

I personally do not believe those are the planes of spiritual contact we should be seeking.

Shamanism Aliens & Ayahuasca : Graham Hancock

Pt.1    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzKp2PeXeWI
Pt.2    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5HKXeDbhj0
Pt.3    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CkMK4wFTAw
Pt.4    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA0YeMR1R3U
Pt.5    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AYDBkbFaSo
Pt.6    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCxX9lUnOk0
Pt.7   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbGekyUAMKA
Pt.8     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dPAWx6iYK4
Pt.9     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnpjBPK8BIA
Pt.10   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egeO_X08wSI
Pt.11   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dDOLFH5CzA
Pt.12   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWmiBCa2YBk

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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2008, 18:26:58 »

Thank you Melody for yet another super exciting post! As of now I would have to say that they are both different things. The Astral Realm and Alien planets in the Physical Realm. I will post more as I watch those videos.
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2008, 09:59:46 »


There is an interesting video with David Icke and an South African shaman Credo Mutwa. At one point Credo Mutwa states that he was sent by a lady - shamanic initiate to a certain mountain to collect a specific herb. He describes the aliens abduction that followed. But is it possible that while collecting the herbs he had some and they induced a long trance state where he came to contact with the "aliens" - the spirits in the Astral planes as per what Graham Hancock talks in his above presentation?

Credo Mutwa presents: The True History of Africa
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2660696496849814924
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2008, 14:12:39 »

Nice Video Melody,

At the end of the video he was saying "In order to dismember a creator like this (gray)" and then the video ended. Do you know where the rest of it is?
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2008, 14:46:09 »


Wave,

Try any of these links. The first one does not seem to be available, though.

David Icke - The Reptilian Agenda with Credo Mutwa
part1 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9059644605624462696&hl=en
part2 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9041415190256766009&hl=en

David Icke - The Reptilian Agenda (with Shaman Credo Mutwa) full 6h35m...
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v392920ydDjAnDm

THE REAL FULL LENGTH CREDO MUTWA
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=330210913309971670&hl=en

Or maybe if you watched it in shorter segments on YouTube you'd get  more of the story

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Credo+Mutwa+presents%3A+The+True+History+of+Africa&emb=0&aq=-1&oq=#

or

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Credo+Mutwa&hl=en&emb=0#q=Credo%20Mutwa&hl=en&emb=0


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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2009, 00:42:33 »

Dear Melody,


The following series of videos are on how Shamans contact Astral realms. Graham Hancock claims that the encounters in those planes closely mimic the encounters of those who claim they encountered aliens. One even meets beings in those realm that teach and guide, and going there is like going to a school.

But are the planes that shamans reach the ones one should strive for? I have no doubt that there are even higher planes, since those describe in the interview have beings which are also not benevolent.

I personally do not believe those are the planes of spiritual contact we should be seeking.

Shamanism Aliens & Ayahuasca : Graham Hancock

Pt.1    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzKp2PeXeWI
Pt.2    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5HKXeDbhj0
Pt.3    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CkMK4wFTAw
Pt.4    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA0YeMR1R3U
Pt.5    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AYDBkbFaSo
Pt.6    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCxX9lUnOk0
Pt.7   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbGekyUAMKA
Pt.8     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dPAWx6iYK4
Pt.9     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnpjBPK8BIA
Pt.10   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egeO_X08wSI
Pt.11   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dDOLFH5CzA
Pt.12   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWmiBCa2YBk


I have known about Graham Hancock for a long while now. I have a deep respect and admiration for him and his work as he only tries to educate people in making them aware that there is more to this world than meets the eye.
He is teaching us in taking control of our lives, in living conscious lives, full of love and caring and to the vast majority of people that only happens when they truly come to see that there is another world than the one we perceive through our 5 senses.

As about exploring the spirit world through ayahuaska why is it different than astral projection? And we know and Adrian is repeatedly telling us that even those are just temporary however good stepping stones to convince ourselves of something more... And I believe if I remember correctly in one video of these series he is describing on how in South America addictions and other unconscious toxic habits such as alcoholism, domestic violence and other vices borne of Ego are corrected through controlled treatments with ayahuasca.

There is no secret that generally the wast majority of people are good - down at their core - hence being so prone at mass control. There is no secret also the mass extermination of aboriginal people and their shamanic culture of having their being as a respectful part of nature and the Mother earth, and there is word that there is more to the story than the 'colonization' reason...

And who know who is triggered to wake up by what?!? being Adrian's book, shamanic revelation, UFOs apparition, messages in the crops, in the water...scientific or microbiological evidence that there are things that we simply cannot explain through the way we materialistically go at it...

In these times I think anything that helps raising mass awareness and consciousness is welcome.

Anyway cool videos Wink thank you Melody

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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2009, 11:11:45 »


Hello Laura,

I agree that for many this type of experiences might be consciousness altering and healing. And my post was in no way to deny the validity of Graham Hancock’s or anybody else’s research into this phenomenon. Any such research has a tremendous value as it adds to our knowledge.

What I simply stated that the planes the people seem to find themselves in are not too elevated since negative entities delve there as well. I basically do not know whether the planes the people get into are a factor of their own vibrations or the vibrations of the plant consumed, probably both. What I was simply stating in my post was that in my opinion we should be aiming for higher planes than those described in the Graham Hancock’s presentation. Mind you, we might still end up at those very planes because of our vibrations, but if we aim to get higher than that and have it as our spiritual goal, we might achieve it.

As for Astral projection even if not ingesting any hallucinogenic herbs, mushrooms, or Ayahuasca - that might be a very valid experience to pursue and perfect for many. Yet, the spiritual advancement could be achieved without such a preoccupation. If I am not mistaken, even Adrian has mentioned something to that effect in the past.
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2009, 11:47:16 »

Good day Laura


" Yet, the spiritual advancement could be achieved without such a preoccupation. If I am not mistaken, even Adrian has mentioned something to that effect in the past."

Original Yoga also stated this in the higher teachings of it. That the goal of Yoga was Yoga, and that even without applying the physical aspects of the practice, total awareness can be achieved.
The too preoccupy yourself with the aspects that do not serve your practical aspects of spirituality will only divert you away from the goal, and slow your progress.
Spiritual practices were considered sciences of mind with the mind being the focus of the developmental practices and to recognize the power of the mind, as a whole to include all of our biology and spirituality working as a single Being.

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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2009, 12:45:34 »

Dear Melody and Darrell



Well then why worry with that which we don’t know for sure? Although I see here the unmistaken thirst of knowing about (alternate planes) nevertheless. I mean even for me it was ‘interesting’ to learn that there are such states as alternate.

Before what did I know? Traditional religion told me there is Heaven and there is Hell, then fairy tales ‘allowed’ me to ‘dream’ and imagine spectacular worlds and magical realms, science-fiction broadened the context even more… in the mean time here are genetics to stay, quantum physics and related… theories…research… change of theories …  then… oh wow.. here comes the New Millennia and I found out there such thing as ‘spirituality’ that might and perhaps give me the ‘answer’ to ALL, the secrets of the Universe and beyond.
I guess if I have to classify what comes from Graham Hancock, Popol Vuh, everything that Adrian read prior to writing OUR and decided to concentrate for all of us it just adds to the big picture

As about ‘aiming’ I don’t know about you guys but I have this deep sense that I cannot even be thinking about ‘aiming’ until and unless I have completed my earthly whatever lesson/ mission destiny I come here for. And, with all due respect but without living my life to the fullest as intended to be lived I will have no way of knowing which or what is right or true in the end.
I.e. I have tasted meat and enjoyed it at the time, I have killed and I would be lying if I say that I didn’t took satisfaction in killing the sucking black fly or mosquito that was causing me pain, then eventually I come to realise what it means to be living vibrating in there and the vast difference,  the alternative, vibrating out of that mentality. I guess same goes for about everything that exist in the world perceived by 5 senses. Sex, love, riches, and so on… where there are simply levels of attachment and the alternate higher vibration of non-attachment as in who gives a fig if I don’t have it ‘now’.
I know what is about anyway… no need to obsess over as there’s always something else something better something greater. Something beyond my bodily needs…

Is like at the end do I come to a conclusion in having a smooth uneventful life lived in perpetual meditation position with only one goal and aim? The Source? What purpose would that serve? (for me? Although I have a deep respect for those that do so as again they teach me about what is humanly possible).

Or.. I perhaps come out of it (life) with a battered body, abused mind and soul that now knows the difference, knows first-hand how is to feel those feelings… and my whole being bearing the signature of an experienced life, and with my final breath I can shout with joy: “OH WOW WHAT A RIDE!!!  my life was well invested and I have done / lived / fulfilled everything that I come here to be/ do. I’m at peace that I have no wasted my time.”

I don’t know when I’m done and ready to AIM – I do feel the time is fast approaching, I do not even know what is it that what I am aiming for – but I have the deep conviction that when time come I know for sure what is for me and what is not.
…so personally I could not care less about these alternate worlds any more than I care about a National Geographic show. They come and go. One more interesting than another. And as I so much enjoy them all have I made up my mind in dedicating myself and my life to one topic or another ?!? I sure am deep of respect though for all those that do so because without them and their giving towards that category of research I will not have what to watch, read, wonder, marvel at…

I mean come-on don’t you feel a bit humble that they dedicated their lives, and whatever their aim… so that we know more, see more, feel more enriched, have our Mind expanded? And personally I find in old shamanic wisdom same truths as everywhere – when everything stripped by all that which is unnecessary for our flight.

So in this respect who am I to say who is to aim for what? I am only here to say to everybody: YES, do, read, understand whatever rocks your boat, anything and everything is better than nothing or than being stuck in a same pattern mentality.

And I believe here is where this beautiful ‘free will’ gift comes in handy.

So far life is the greatest adventure. The best I know.
And I am always eager and open to wonderful new surprises, adventures I have always been and ‘never’ disappointed in my expectations.

All I know and I know this for sure since the memorable day of walking out of the deep fog that enveloped me for most of my life, all I know is that “Is all good”.

Smiley

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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2009, 13:47:58 »


Laura,

Do whatever rocks your boat at the time...  smiley

I personally would prefer a purpose of some sort...  grin
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2009, 13:58:16 »

Hello everyone  smiley,

While I definitely agree that spiritual development does not rely on such things as projecting into the higher realms or other paranormal abilities, projecting is an (((AMAZING))) experience nonetheless.

I have yet to have a perceived astral projection, but I have had many perceived OBEs and several LDs including W.I.L.D.s (which are my favorite by the way  grin), and there are no words to describe the wonderful feeling and bliss.  I definitely enjoy the LDs better than OBEs.  The feeling is so wonderful that some days after a projection experience I will be smiling the entire day.  Sometimes I even wake up laughing because I'm overwhelmed with the experience.  The environment and my surroundings are so incredibly crisp, vivid, solid, and real that it makes the physical world seem very dim by comparison.

Note:  In case anyone was wondering, the reason I use the word perceived for each experience is because APs, OBEs, and LDs are one and the same.  They are just defined differently based upon one's perception.  The reason I have not had any perceived APs is because so far every time I have a projection experience I am in my own created world with no other entities or beings involved.  In other words I'm the only one in the projection experience.  The most common definition of an OBE is where one perceives to be exiting their physical body, usually preceded by symptoms such as sleep paralysis, and proceeds to move around in the RTZ (real-time-zone).  The most common definition of a LD is where one wakes up within a dream and becomes conscious while the body is still asleep, and then suddenly the dream becomes extremely vivid, and in most cases the person can then take control of the dream and create whatever world, scenario, or situation they like.  cool
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2009, 14:12:39 »


Hello Kailaurius,

Lucid dreams are indeed very enjoyable. One creates what one wants. Yet I often asked myself whether this simply is not our natural creative ability which became sort of loosened up away from the conscious mind that created LD. It is a beautiful "fantasy". I am not sure one is actually in any Astral world. To me it is simply a world of my own imagination.

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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2009, 14:16:20 »

Smiley Hello Kai

ha ha ha ha .. go away you temptation ..lol.. . sounds as aaahhh a great adventure!!!

Oh and I will have to agree with Melody as ever since I can remember myself my dream world has been very real for me - reading here about LD and such I was surprised to learn the extent people do to explore something I always thought is a part of us. However I grew up in a culture that encouraged and treated seriously dreams and the dream world. (Thank you Mom!! )


There are ways to keep a smile on all day long you know... care to explore different venues? Wink

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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2009, 14:21:36 »

Smiley My beloved Melody


Laura,

Do whatever rocks your boat at the time...  smiley

I personally would prefer a purpose of some sort...  grin

Whatever rocks any boat one thing is certain. The best way to rock it is gently and let it take you down the stream in perpetual attentiveness for the great wonders unfolding beneath your eyes. Smiley

Of course the purpose can be found at the destination which I guess is the same for all of us. There is a purpose in everything and everybody, and even in that which at first sight seems to have no purpose.
However I would not want to miss the wonders of the travel and landscapes with only having the destination (purpose) in my vision range.


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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2009, 14:38:22 »


Hello Laura,

Don't worry, one does not miss on the wonders and glory of the journey when following a spiritual purpose...

However, following the purpose, or at least having it as a focus, assures that one does not get lost and diverted by futile and unnecessary distractions that keep one from progressing towards the higher Self and the Light.

I have an impression that you are afraid a spiritual journey is dry and convent like. Not at all. It can greatly augment one's appreciation of the surrounding life and beauty, and keep one from getting stuck in unnecessary futility and away from missing the boat of advancement in all dimensions of one's spiritual being.
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