Seth

[DH]

Hi Savitaguitar, Inkheart and Talker,

I've read a lot of "channeled" material from "enlightened beings" over the years, like Seth, Abraham and Ramtha. There are a lot of points of similarity as well as sharp disagreements. Makes you wonder which "enlightened being" is more enlightened.    But hey -- what is channeling anyway but Spirit speaking through human agents, be it Jane Roberts, Esther Hicks, J.Z. Knight, Neale Donald Walsch, the writers of the Bible or the Bhagavad Vita -- or you or me (haven't you ever had thoughts pop up in your mind that seem inspired, like "Holy crap, where'd this come from?!?)  Unfortunately human agents are not perfect receivers.  Ego and emotional baggage color our worlds!  I try to be a spiritual sponge and soak it all in and wring out what doesn't ring true with my own "Spirit radar".  Granted, my radar isn't perfect either, but there are certain ideas that are consistent in many revelations and set off my radar, like love and forgiveness are the greatest powers in the world, life is eternal, etc.  I think you are right, Inkheart -- that would be "God" trying to get the message out in as many ways possible, simply because of the fallible human receivers.

Onward and inward, DH

[DH]

Hi Julia and Laura, my dear sisters!   

I'm doing fine.  Moved last summer and have been getting adjusted to a lot of new things. I've been lurking on the site though, trying to keep up with some of what's going on.

Yeats has always been one of my favorite poets.  My grandfather knew him many moons ago.  Yeats was a fierce Irish nationalist and my gp was a fierce Welsh nationalist, but they had a common interest in poetry and the mystical, spiritual realm.

BTW, note that Yeat's view on reincarnation is not only like Seth's but also our mentor, Adrian.

Hope all well, much love, DH

[Minalora]

A warming connecting light of love your way DH

[juliainkc]

Hi Beloved DH!

Warm bear hugs and kisses in greetings! It's always wonderful to hear from you. I am blessed to hear that you are moving through your last summer's move and adjusting.

Hi Julia and Laura, my dear sisters!   

I'm doing fine.  Moved last summer and have been getting adjusted to a lot of new things. I've been lurking on the site though, trying to keep up with some of what's going on.

Yeats has always been one of my favorite poets.  My grandfather knew him many moons ago.  Yeats was a fierce Irish nationalist and my gp was a fierce Welsh nationalist, but they had a common interest in poetry and the mystical, spiritual realm.

BTW, note that Yeat's view on reincarnation is not only like Seth's but also our mentor, Adrian.

Hope all well, much love, DH

This makes perfect sense as to why you are such an Interesting One!! I InJoy your Presence.

Vibing on the same ray ~

All is Well,

Loves Peaceful Blessings flowing your way,

Julia

[Shimmer]

Hi Savitaguitar, Inkheart and Talker,

I've read a lot of "channeled" material from "enlightened beings" over the years, like Seth, Abraham and Ramtha. There are a lot of points of similarity as well as sharp disagreements. Makes you wonder which "enlightened being" is more enlightened. 

Hi DH,

I'm quite a student of much channeled material as well, however, I don't read Ramtha.  I'm curious, could you offer an example of a "sharp disagreement" between Seth and Abraham on any fundamental, or even seemingly trivial topic? 

Thanks!

-Shimmer

[DH]

Hi Shimmer,

I'm not sure that there are any sharp disagreements specifically between Seth/Roberts and Abraham/Hicks.  I haven't read all of Hick's stuff.  In some ways, Abraham seems to be a more refined easier to read version of Seth.

I was thinking more of the larger picture of channeling. I think of channeling as the world of Spirit making itself known through human receivers, whether it's through people like Jane Roberts or the writers of various holy scriptures, like the Bible.  If you take an idea like reincarnation, you're going to find clear disagreements between revelations found in the Bhagavad Gita and and revelations from Y.B. Yeats (and Seth's later version or Adrian Cooper's).  Or take revelations about Jesus.  There are sharp disagreements about who Jesus was and what he taught, even in the ancient Christian community, when you compare the Gospels of the Bible and the Gospels of the various Gnostic Christian groups.

I think the problem that the world of Spirit has is that it has to work through fallible human beings.  Our spiritual "hearing" gets clouded by ego and emotional garbage.  And then I imagine that those who are sending from the "other side" also differ in the quality of knowledge they dispense. But there are still some ideas that seem nearly universal in channeled material:  life is eternal, love and the greatest power.

Thanks for the comment, DH

[juliainkc]

Beloved DH,

I genuinely appreciate your response here.

I think the problem that the world of Spirit has is that it has to work through fallible human beings.  Our spiritual "hearing" gets clouded by ego and emotional garbage.  And then I imagine that those who are sending from the "other side" also differ in the quality of knowledge they dispense. But there are still some ideas that seem nearly universal in channeled material:  life is eternal, love and the greatest power.

In reading your response here DH, what came to 'mind' as getting in the way is Gray Matter. Honest. I mused over this idea earlier today.

Children are natural open channels of Spirit especially in their most impressionable and not yet set in their ways and beliefs years ... before the clay hardens ~ they don't think ~ they are ~

Ego and Spirit struggle it seems to me because they both really want the same things. To be allowed into Relationship.

Yet I will say in my quirky musing sort of way, it is ego that has had the floor for so long. How's that? Well, ego is clearly seen in form yet we can see how many 'struggle' with what is not seen or yet to be seen. The invisible side of the ego or Spirit. Spirit has been denied Its rightful place in us because It 'looks' different in a physical world. Ego is the child of Spirit expressing in human form for Spirit.

This is what Spirit breathed in my ear and I felt to share this with you by your Light Sparking mine in your expression.

I have always found it difficult to give full attention to listening to two 'people' talking to me at once. Hand up gently saying 'whoa' one at a time please. Thank you.

Ego is childlike in that it has no patience and this for me is why it tends to get only half of the sentence.

Spirit is usually the last to be acknowledged and so, if one will be still and wait a moment, Spirit will speak and this Voice usually has a depth to it, a deep vibration ringing the bells and It is the tone that ones seem to agree with in Union. As in ego and spirit both agree with the 'arrangement.

It's been a really interesting ride for your Sister here DH and these things that keep rising well ~

Deep deep breath IN and deeper, deeper, deeper then exhale ~

breathe the next breath ~ deeper ~

My Beloved Friend whom I sit with that is terminally ill said to me today during our conversation, 'Julia, this shows you have confidence in your Spirit.' This really spoke to me. As I feel this was Spirit expressing through my friend to me about my early morning solitude Breath of Inspiration and what was unfolding for me today. That I am daily experiencing the revelation of who I am.

We know there is a Law of Love responding means something much more differently to me now than from the very first time I heard this.

Saying to me, that no matter how much my ego may botch the communication (words), there is nothing that can stop Loves Intention (enunciation), you summed it all up so wonderfully  here DH ~

But there are still some ideas that seem nearly universal in channeled material:  life is eternal, love and the greatest power.

Love sees through the botches and into the Heart of the Child.

In Loves Peaceful Presence, Harmonizing along with you,

Namaste` DH,

Julia

[sativaguitar]

I'm so enjoying the responses here and am learning so much from others opinions and ideas. So just wanna say thanks to everyones replies to this whole post and thanks for the lessons in life. Really interesting and makes me realise I know not alot LOL

[Talker]

Ah yes, More and more my old saying of 'the more I study and learn, only reveals how much I don't know', still applies.
Many loose ends were woven into a coherent string of thoughts, upon the reading of 'Jane Roberts The Individual and The Nature of Mass Events A Seth Book'. (is the actual title)

Will quote a few of the startling words being read, back in the 1981 period of time.
          ----------------
'People will die when they are ready to, following inner dictates and dynamics.
A person ready to die, will, despite any medication.'

'The physical matter of the planet is also composed of literally infinite hordes of consciousnesses experiencing its own reality while adding to the overall cooperative venture.'

'It is quite obvious that people must die-not only because otherwise you would overpopulate your world into extinction, but because the nature of consciousness requires new experience, challenge, and accomplishment.'

'More and more,the quality of your lives is formed through the subjective realities of your feelings and mental constructions. Again, beliefs that foster despair are biologically destructive.They cause the physical system to shut down. If mass action against appalling social or political conditions is not effective, then other means are taken, and these are often in the guise of epidemics or natural disasters, The blight is wiped out in one way or another.
Such conditions, however, are the results of beliefs, which are mental, and so the most vital work must always be done in that area.'
         --------------------

Really, the entire book is a fascinating read. How about 'two Egos', not one!
What about the unfortunate things like the big loss of lives in airplane crashes, earthquakes and tidal waves!. It is all coherent in how presented in this book. The mind boggling aspect of large groups of people 'deciding' to perish in a mass disaster, to make a contribution, so that 'their deaths amounts to a mass statement'.

There is so much food for thought presented, that makes sense, even while straining ones belief factors.
Be Well

[Shimmer]

Hi DH,

Thanks for the clarification.  When I first found Seth, Elias, Bashar, Abraham I set out looking for disagreements between their teachings.  I was blown away by what I was reading as it was my first real introduction to this spiritual way of thinking.  However, the more I read of each, the more harmonious I realized their material was.  Some stress certain points more than others, but the core message is consistent from all in my opinion.  I am still interested in somebody pointing out disagreements between these four I consider to be offering the least possible distortion.  Others like Ramtha, I was not taken in by for whatever reason.  Ramtha may be consistent, I just don't know as that material did not resonate with me.

And I also agree with you that Abraham is very much offering a simplified, mass-appeal message, hence their great success.  They leave many things out that others talk about and I can only assume they have their reasons.  Abe is on the cutting edge in every way, offering fresh, coherent and consistent messages that seem to be getting better and better each week.  Bashar is doing the same but lacks a consistent, predictable marketing vehicle so harder to keep tabs on the latest material from Bashar.  I find a balanced study of each to be most enlightening and helpful for clarification when some things aren't clear from any particular source.

And Seth, sheesh, what can one say about Seth.  Seth is the best of the best.  I can read any Abe book in about 3 hours.  Good to read over them again of course, I always miss stuff on levels I wasn't "aware" of on the prior reading.  But Seth, man....I can spend 3 hours on a couple pages if I'm trying to soak it all up.  Every word, every concept, mind-numbingly profound in every sense.

And Talker, funny you're quoting "The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events".  I am re-reading this now.  It's fun to go back and look at my notes, highlighting, etc. to see what struck me the first go round.  And to realize just how much I really missed after the first reading.  Truly a fascinating book, as all the Seth books are in my opinion.  What I especially love about this book is how Seth was also writing 2 other "Seth books" during the same period of time.  He was just bouncing around, months and months apart, writing 3 books simultaneously, picking up right where he left off 6, 7 months after the fact without any prompting - this "guy" is good!

And I'm sitting here with page 151 bookmarked and a big old highlight here.  I remember reading this paragraph, thinking I already "knew" what the content meant, but I read it over and over and over again...it was like I "knew" it was true, but as I reflected back on my day, or the week, I would realize how little it had really sunk in.  I was still reacting the same way I had my whole life.  And I still do, although not as often.  Here's that quote....fascinating stuff:

"Even those of you who intellectually agree that you form your own reality find it difficult to accept emotionally in certain areas.  You are, of course, literally hypnotized into believing that your feelings arise IN RESPONSE to events.  Your feelings, however, CAUSE the events you perceive.  SECONDARILY, you do of course THEN react to those events."

Powerful stuff.  I do realize that until our vibration matches that of Source/Higher-Self/Inner-Self/Soul, we are effectively experiencing the past as what we perceive as our present.  I just need to realize that more and more in my present NOW, to shake the societal conditioning...

Anyway, great thread.  Thanks DH for your follow-up, and thanks Talker for your additional comments. 

Cheerios,

-Shimmer

[Talker]

Hi DH,

Thanks for the clarification.  When I first found Seth, Elias, Bashar, Abraham I set out looking for disagreements between their teachings.  I was blown away by what I was reading as it was my first real introduction to this spiritual way of thinking.  However, the more I read of each, the more harmonious I realized their material was.  Some stress certain points more than others, but the core message is consistent from all in my opinion.  I am still interested in somebody pointing out disagreements between these four I consider to be offering the least possible distortion.  Others like Ramtha, I was not taken in by for whatever reason.  Ramtha may be consistent, I just don't know as that material did not resonate with me.

And I also agree with you that Abraham is very much offering a simplified, mass-appeal message, hence their great success.  They leave many things out that others talk about and I can only assume they have their reasons.  Abe is on the cutting edge in every way, offering fresh, coherent and consistent messages that seem to be getting better and better each week.  Bashar is doing the same but lacks a consistent, predictable marketing vehicle so harder to keep tabs on the latest material from Bashar.  I find a balanced study of each to be most enlightening and helpful for clarification when some things aren't clear from any particular source.

And Seth, sheesh, what can one say about Seth.  Seth is the best of the best.  I can read any Abe book in about 3 hours.  Good to read over them again of course, I always miss stuff on levels I wasn't "aware" of on the prior reading.  But Seth, man....I can spend 3 hours on a couple pages if I'm trying to soak it all up.  Every word, every concept, mind-numbingly profound in every sense.

And Talker, funny you're quoting "The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events".  I am re-reading this now.  It's fun to go back and look at my notes, highlighting, etc. to see what struck me the first go round.  And to realize just how much I really missed after the first reading.  Truly a fascinating book, as all the Seth books are in my opinion.  What I especially love about this book is how Seth was also writing 2 other "Seth books" during the same period of time.  He was just bouncing around, months and months apart, writing 3 books simultaneously, picking up right where he left off 6, 7 months after the fact without any prompting - this "guy" is good!

And I'm sitting here with page 151 bookmarked and a big old highlight here.  I remember reading this paragraph, thinking I already "knew" what the content meant, but I read it over and over and over again...it was like I "knew" it was true, but as I reflected back on my day, or the week, I would realize how little it had really sunk in.  I was still reacting the same way I had my whole life.  And I still do, although not as often.  Here's that quote....fascinating stuff:

"Even those of you who intellectually agree that you form your own reality find it difficult to accept emotionally in certain areas.  You are, of course, literally hypnotized into believing that your feelings arise IN RESPONSE to events.  Your feelings, however, CAUSE the events you perceive.  SECONDARILY, you do of course THEN react to those events."

Powerful stuff.  I do realize that until our vibration matches that of Source/Higher-Self/Inner-Self/Soul, we are effectively experiencing the past as what we perceive as our present.  I just need to realize that more and more in my present NOW, to shake the societal conditioning...

Anyway, great thread.  Thanks DH for your follow-up, and thanks Talker for your additional comments. 

Cheerios,

-Shimmer

Hi shimmer and All
I do underline and highlight my reads, and write in few words to capture the immediate thought. Often the full impact of a statement won't really register until reread a few times. Apparently ones current beliefs are slowly shifted, and the new is being winnowed for trueness, which is revealed only after another reread of the same information. At least is how it happens with my reads.
Be Well

[DH]

Hi Talker,

I hear you.  Especially with the denseness of Seth, there are a lot of re-reads!

[sativaguitar]

I am on my third read in last month and every time there is something new... so much information and none of it is boring in any way at all. I find it far more comprehensive than any other book. Also just started Stuart Wildes new book " Grace Gaia and the End of Days" Awesome !

[Talker]

Hi Talker,

I hear you.  Especially with the denseness of Seth, there are a lot of re-reads!

Hi DH and All,
Did post a Seth related, (see link).

Once 'past' the early (decades ago) reads of 'Seth's' ' consider a box within a box, within a box construct, all occupying the SAME space' it got easier to 'cope' with the rest of the Seth concepts.

Indeed, The Magical Journey continues.
Be Well

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/rhetorical-rambling-or-normal-insanity-t1173.0.html;msg20146#msg20146

[DH]

Namaste, Julia!

Yes, I totally get it.  It's hard to slow down the raging river of ego thoughts to hear the voice of Spirit.  Both do want relationship, and both relationships are needed, but ego is a greedy usurper.  It's hard to discipline to say "Shut up"!  But Spirit does speak in ways to grab our attention as you so beautifully noted.  Spirit also spoke to me though a "dying" one the other day.  A lady in a hospice said, "Thanks for coming to see me, but take some time to visit with yourself."  I was a little taken aback because she didn't know me.  But Spirit does -- and it was a timely word for me to stop my busyness and spend more time listening within.

Much love and many back-logged kisses, DH

Beloved DH,

I genuinely appreciate your response here.

I think the problem that the world of Spirit has is that it has to work through fallible human beings.  Our spiritual "hearing" gets clouded by ego and emotional garbage.  And then I imagine that those who are sending from the "other side" also differ in the quality of knowledge they dispense. But there are still some ideas that seem nearly universal in channeled material:  life is eternal, love and the greatest power.

In reading your response here DH, what came to 'mind' as getting in the way is Gray Matter. Honest. I mused over this idea earlier today.

Children are natural open channels of Spirit especially in their most impressionable and not yet set in their ways and beliefs years ... before the clay hardens ~ they don't think ~ they are ~

Ego and Spirit struggle it seems to me because they both really want the same things. To be allowed into Relationship.

Yet I will say in my quirky musing sort of way, it is ego that has had the floor for so long. How's that? Well, ego is clearly seen in form yet we can see how many 'struggle' with what is not seen or yet to be seen. The invisible side of the ego or Spirit. Spirit has been denied Its rightful place in us because It 'looks' different in a physical world. Ego is the child of Spirit expressing in human form for Spirit.

This is what Spirit breathed in my ear and I felt to share this with you by your Light Sparking mine in your expression.

I have always found it difficult to give full attention to listening to two 'people' talking to me at once. Hand up gently saying 'whoa' one at a time please. Thank you.

Ego is childlike in that it has no patience and this for me is why it tends to get only half of the sentence.

Spirit is usually the last to be acknowledged and so, if one will be still and wait a moment, Spirit will speak and this Voice usually has a depth to it, a deep vibration ringing the bells and It is the tone that ones seem to agree with in Union. As in ego and spirit both agree with the 'arrangement.

It's been a really interesting ride for your Sister here DH and these things that keep rising well ~

Deep deep breath IN and deeper, deeper, deeper then exhale ~

breathe the next breath ~ deeper ~

My Beloved Friend whom I sit with that is terminally ill said to me today during our conversation, 'Julia, this shows you have confidence in your Spirit.' This really spoke to me. As I feel this was Spirit expressing through my friend to me about my early morning solitude Breath of Inspiration and what was unfolding for me today. That I am daily experiencing the revelation of who I am.

We know there is a Law of Love responding means something much more differently to me now than from the very first time I heard this.

Saying to me, that no matter how much my ego may botch the communication (words), there is nothing that can stop Loves Intention (enunciation), you summed it all up so wonderfully  here DH ~

But there are still some ideas that seem nearly universal in channeled material:  life is eternal, love and the greatest power.

Love sees through the botches and into the Heart of the Child.

In Loves Peaceful Presence, Harmonizing along with you,

Namaste` DH,

Julia