Science of Being

[Baki Hanma]

Hello Baki Hanma,

That all sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

It is what makes you happy that matters - not what others think.

Exactly and I feel that way honestly..

There is nothing wrong with the 70's - I remember those years well - I was at school and lived in the country. I wore some quite far out clothes then as well, including bright yellow trousers with very wide flares, and hair over my ears and down to my neck 

You must have been a "groovy" dude . Sounds like you could have been into disco too aye?

The 70's was the best dacade for popular music in my view - never been surpassed and never will

Yea, many music of today is somewhat sprung from the older versions. Sone even incorperate verses from old music.

[Adrian]

Hello Baki Hanma,

You must have been a "groovy" dude . Sounds like you could have been into disco too aye?

I don't know about groovy - I was quite modestly dressed compared to many of my friends

No I never liked disco's. In fact I have never liked loud music or other places that destroy the feeling of inner peace.

The 70's was the best dacade for popular music in my view - never been surpassed and never will

Yea, many music of today is somewhat sprung from the older versions. Sone even incorperate verses from old music.

Music in those days was "real" in as much that the bands actually played their instruments and composed and sang their own music lyrics. There were many excellent groups as well.

These days much of what passes for music is put together by computers in a recording studio, with the "singers" lip synching and strumming electric guitars that are switched off.

I know that sounds a bit cynical and sweeping, and it probably is, but I am sure you know what I mean Apart from Enya, it has been many years since I have heard a group that made me think - wow, the are really good.

That said many if those groups are still going. Alice Cooper was over here not so long back - he has been around for decades, and we even get some of the old Tamla Motown groups over here from time to time. That said, much of he architecture over here is from the nineteenth century, so mny of the older groups probably feel at home

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[wavepsychic]

Hello Adrian and baki

How do you define "beautiful"? And in any case anyone even thinking in those terms is what is known as "body ID'd"  - that is to say they identify with the physical body which is not good from a Spiritual Evolution point of view.  Our Higher Self chose our parents based upon the experiences required. We should focus on the experience, not on the vehicle of that experience.

I am beginning to think that our experience is to not have an experience at all. To just give up all of the senses willingly.

I make myself look how I feel and how I wish to express myself - which is all based on my own feelings of myself and  not from others.

I think that it is important to express yourself on the outside how you want or else you might not learn. Wear the close that are "You". I do not feel like my body as it is now is a fair representation of me. Most of all I am a Philosopher, and I do not feel as though I am expressing myself as I should. I am not a good talker or explainer, to talk to people in a calm wise manor is difficult. Seems like the limitations of the body are just too great. I feel like it is someone else who has the "abilities" that I need. For some people it is so easy to talk in a soothing well thought out way.

I live in the city and wearing expensive things coud easily get you robbed or even killed! It has happen and still is.

Yeah New York is bad, you should leave there!

[Adrian]

Hello Wavepsychic,

I am beginning to think that our experience is to not have an experience at all. To just give up all of the senses willingly.

Yes - it is called Enlightenment

I think that it is important to express yourself on the outside how you want or else you might not learn. Wear the close that are "You".

But your clothes are not "you".

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[Baki Hanma]

Hello Wavepsychic,

I am beginning to think that our experience is to not have an experience at all. To just give up all of the senses willingly.

Yes - it is called Enlightenment

Not sure if this is a sense of my own misunderstanding or just dissapointment but I dont think I like this . We are suppose to be here to experience and yet it's looking like you state that we are not here to experience. I dont get it . In this life ime I doubt I will ever let go completely, actually I dont wish to. How can I live a joyful and happy life if I just "give up"?!

I think that it is important to express yourself on the outside how you want or else you might not learn. Wear the close that are "You".

But your clothes are not "you".

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

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Exactly, the cloths doesn't make the man, man makes the cloths. The only suit your body needs and uses is your skin

[Adrian]

Hello Baki Hanma,

Not sure if this is a sense of my own misunderstanding or just dissapointment but I dont think I like this . We are suppose to be here to experience and yet it's looking like you state that we are not here to experience. I dont get it . In this life ime I doubt I will ever let go completely, actually I dont wish to. How can I live a joyful and happy life if I just "give up"?!

Well to be more precise we do not actually give up the physical senses in real terms necessarily, although many have in the past, but rather to place them in a proper perspective. Many for example live only to gratify the senses through food, and many other ways - for many the world revolves around the physical senses.

The physical sense are often necessary to interact with the physical world by providing sensory feedback. but our true senses are our inner senses. This is why so many people engage in meditation which does not require the physical senses, and also sensory depravation. The real world is the inner world, and this is the path to Enlightenment. It is impossible reach Enlightenment through the physical senses, and that is what I meant.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[juliainkc]

And A Wonderful Morning to You Universe ~ 

I saw something here and I express in Gratitude your vibration (Universe). Julia sharing out loud...

Hello Wavepsychic,

I am beginning to think that our experience is to not have an experience at all. To just give up all of the senses willingly.

Yes - it is called Enlightenment

Not sure if this is a sense of my own misunderstanding or just dissapointment but I dont think I like this . We are suppose to be here to experience and yet it's looking like you state that we are not here to experience. I dont get it . In this life ime I doubt I will ever let go completely, actually I dont wish to. How can I live a joyful and happy life if I just "give up"?!

I think that it is important to express yourself on the outside how you want or else you might not learn. Wear the close that are "You".

But your clothes are not "you".

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

Exactly, the cloths doesn't make the man, man makes the cloths. The only suit your body needs and uses is your skin[/quote]


"Suppose you scrub your ethical skin until it shines, but inside is no music, then what?" --- Kabir

Personal and transcendant, "I" am more than any experience I undertake. No One experience holds my entire 'destiny'.

I Am larger than my experience. My Inner Dignity allows (positionally) my Soul to shine my Heart to sing beyond my 'worldly ~ aka ~ physical' 'role'.

Just passing the goods around the table. Try It!! Sam I Am!! 'Magically Delicious'  in a mushroom sort of way ~

Loving All ~

Julia

[wavepsychic]

Hi Adrian and Baki, Sorry I have not been online much lately. Just to tried for the computer.

Hello Wavepsychic,

I am beginning to think that our experience is to not have an experience at all. To just give up all of the senses willingly.

Yes - it is called Enlightenment

Not sure if this is a sense of my own misunderstanding or just dissapointment but I dont think I like this . We are suppose to be here to experience and yet it's looking like you state that we are not here to experience. I dont get it . In this life ime I doubt I will ever let go completely, actually I dont wish to. How can I live a joyful and happy life if I just "give up"?!

I think that it is important to express yourself on the outside how you want or else you might not learn. Wear the close that are "You".

But your clothes are not "you".

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

Exactly, the cloths doesn't make the man, man makes the cloths. The only suit your body needs and uses is your skin
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Hello Wavepsychic,

I am beginning to think that our experience is to not have an experience at all. To just give up all of the senses willingly.

Yes - it is called Enlightenment

Not sure if this is a sense of my own misunderstanding or just dissapointment but I dont think I like this . We are suppose to be here to experience and yet it's looking like you state that we are not here to experience. I dont get it . In this life ime I doubt I will ever let go completely, actually I dont wish to. How can I live a joyful and happy life if I just "give up"?!

I think that it is important to express yourself on the outside how you want or else you might not learn. Wear the close that are "You".

But your clothes are not "you".

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

Exactly, the cloths doesn't make the man, man makes the cloths. The only suit your body needs and uses is your skin
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It is true that I am not my cloths. However I wouldn't feel comfortable being naked, and I wouldn't wear something that isn't "Me" like a dress or deer skin... I have to express myself how I feel or else I am not being real. If I let others dress me how would I learn anything?

I am getting sick of this place, mainly because if I can not look how I want to look then I don't want to wear a body at all! I would be fine with giving up all of my senses. I just don't care anymore.

[Adrian]

Dear all,

Well said Julia - I completely agree.

Wavepsychic - no one is presuming to tell you what you can and cannot wear - you have freewill to wear whatever you desire.

As for getting "sick of this place" - all I will say in response is "don't shoot the messenger"

Now let us look at this logically for just a minute.

Our distant ancestors were basically apes who wore nothing by way of clothes - you don't see apes, chimps etc today in the wild wearing the latest fashions do you?

So somewhere along the line our ancestors decided that males should wear one type of clothes and females another. Later it was decided that males should have short hair and wear trousers while females should have long hair and wear skirts and dresses etc.

It was also decided at some stage that girls should be associated with the colour pink, and boys blue, and boys should play with "Action Man" or "GI Joe" and girls should play with Barbie dolls etc. You can see how these stereotypes are entrenched deep in the psyche of children from an early age.

Until recently males would be the "bread winners" and go out to "work" while females would tend the "nest" and stay in and do all the house work and cooking while looking after the children. These days of course this has changed somewhat in that females are expected to do both, while males still only do the one

So you see these "conventions" are deeply entrenched in the human psyche to the point wear they are accepted as "normal".

In actual fact "normal" would be to wear no clothes at all But of course the way humanity has evolved is that to wear no clothes at all in public would be an arrestable offence.

From a practical point of view we wear clothes for comfort and warmth.

I wear the same type of clothes day in and day out, no matter where I am going or who I am seeing. Even if I were to see the queen of England or the president of America I would wear the same clothes because why would I want to wear anything different? And yes I have been in many situations where people have not approved, but so what? I have been in other situations where I will refuse to go somewhere if there is a certain "dress code".

The point is - clothes are not who we "Are". If people judge you, not for who you are - how wise, intelligent, friendly, loving, helpful etc - and for your inner qualities - but on what clothes you wear - then these people are extremely shallow and steeped in the material world. In the past I have offered to help various organisations in various ways, giving freely of my time and experience for the benefit of others, and then when I meet them dressed as usual they turn down my offer of help and service - their loss.

My average annual expenditure on clothes amounts to around £25 which is $50 per year and that is it. My clothes last me around 5 years on average - I wish they were better made

Wavepsychic - you say:

I wouldn't wear something that isn't "Me" like a dress or deer skin... I have to express myself how I feel or else I am not being real.

"You" are not your clothes, you are not even your body, so how can you determine what clothes "you" are?

You can better express yourself through your words and actions and above all who you really "Are" than by clothing yourself in a certain way.

Throughout recent history people have clothed themselves to make a statement or to exert authority such as by wearing a "uniform" or a "suit" or whatever, turning people in to clones of each other.

I do my best to understand this behaviour, but I do find it difficult to comprehend at times I have to say, so instead I simply allow instead.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[Tony]

I am only my eternal thought, Who, or what I am is usually played out threw verbal thought, and that leads to behavior and action. My thought and action are a direct result of my acceptance of 100% of Spirit. I wake in the morning and pray/meditate then become whom my Spirit has already chose me to be, I am Spirit of my creator. Now there are those times where I want to controll and I chose to think that its my will...............then I will put all my focus into external things such as how I look. My day then will be ran by me and I will never look good enough, handsome enough, rich enough or love enough and I once again will fall to the codependent behaviors and fall slave to the world. Can you feel the smile that is within you when you truly trust in the will of the spirit? Can you feel the cloud that is beneath all of us when we trust, truly trust. Wear what you want to wear or don't wear anything at all.....what counts is whats within, when you know that........then people will want to wear what you are wearing.

Tony

[Adrian]

Dear Tony,

Welcome to the forums.

I am only my eternal thought, Who, or what I am is usually played out threw verbal thought, and that leads to behavior and action. My thought and action are a direct result of my acceptance of 100% of Spirit. I wake in the morning and pray/meditate then become whom my Spirit has already chose me to be, I am Spirit of my creator. Now there are those times where I want to controll and I chose to think that its my will...............then I will put all my focus into external things such as how I look. My day then will be ran by me and I will never look good enough, handsome enough, rich enough or love enough and I once again will fall to the codependent behaviors and fall slave to the world. Can you feel the smile that is within you when you truly trust in the will of the spirit? Can you feel the cloud that is beneath all of us when we trust, truly trust. Wear what you want to wear or don't wear anything at all.....what counts is whats within, when you know that........then people will want to wear what you are wearing.

Tony

Brilliantly said - there is nothing that I can or wish to say to this.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[wavepsychic]

Hi Adrian

Wavepsychic - you say:

I wouldn't wear something that isn't "Me" like a dress or deer skin... I have to express myself how I feel or else I am not being real.

"You" are not your clothes, you are not even your body, so how can you determine what clothes "you" are?

Man you guys did it to me again. I guess I have to learn from this and be more aware of what I am saying. I am still going to wear the cloths that I like, my cloths aren't fancy either. I like to shop at Wal-Mart.

Throughout recent history people have clothed themselves to make a statement or to exert authority such as by wearing a "uniform" or a "suit" or whatever, turning people in to clones of each other.

I have always agreed with this. I even spoke out against it when I was in high school and no one understood.

[Baki Hanma]

Hi Adrian

Wavepsychic - you say:

I wouldn't wear something that isn't "Me" like a dress or deer skin... I have to express myself how I feel or else I am not being real.

"You" are not your clothes, you are not even your body, so how can you determine what clothes "you" are?

Man you guys did it to me again. I guess I have to learn from this and be more aware of what I am saying. I am still going to wear the cloths that I like, my cloths aren't fancy either. I like to shop at Wal-Mart.

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No friend, you did it to you . You knew the answere, you just had a different way of expressing it. When you stated; "I wouldn't wear something that isn't "Me"", I assumed you meant that you didn't feel comfortable or content wearing it.

"You" are not your clothes, you are not even your body, so how can you determine what clothes "you" are?

By that I assume your referring ultimately?

[Adrian]

Hello Baki Hanma,

"You" are not your clothes, you are not even your body, so how can you determine what clothes "you" are?

By that I assume your referring ultimately?

Yes ultimately.

Clothes are just another way of relating to the physical body - i.e. body ID'd, along with hanging jewelry off it to decorate it, or piercing it to put metal shapes though, or tatoos, hair styling etc.

All these things cause people to relate to their physical body which isn't good. Of course the body should be looked after and maintained in good working order, becaue it is our channel of expression, ultimately of Higher Self and Source, in the physical world.

I am not saying these actions are wrong - there is no "right" or "wrong"  - only experience.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[wavepsychic]

Hi Adrian,

I am now trying to NOT care about the way my body looks. I kept telling myself "I don't rely on things or people to make my happy" "I am happy no matter how I look". I then later on felt as though I am not being Sincere with thyself. I said how I felt, "I'm not happy with the way I look".

What can I do to be happy as a Spirit and not be unhappy because of the body that I wear?