Science of Being

[melody]

God created the planet Earth, Lucifer created the Ego aspect of Earth represented by the human race as we know it today.

Hello Adrian,

I appreciate that you commented on this quotation posted in your March 16, 2008 newsletter.

‘The Dream documents the story of how Lucifer, a metaphor for "Mind" was cast out from "Heaven" to "descend" to the outer reaches of the Universe - the physical Universe, Lucifer eventually creating Earth.’

It now appears your point of view on Lucifer is different than that of the author of the book “Science of Being”. Is this the only difference?

I agree with you that Lucifer represents the mind’s state of Ego. From what I had previously learned about one’s spiritual journey, it is about eliminating ego manifestations, obvious and the hidden ones. To progress spiritually, one should strive to extinguish and eliminate ego vibrations from one’s spirit’s energy field, in order to harmonize one’s spirit with the highest vibrations of God and Love.

[melody]

The situation is somewhat confused, but at the final analysis both the 7 lesson and 27 lesson versions were only available for a very limited time to a very few people. This is why it is so rare today and in fact was more or less forgotten until I as led to it.

That situation is and will continue to change very fast.

These are extremely powerful teachings that must be made available to as many people as possible, and that is what I will do.

There are already a few websites on the internet propagating this book.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody.

‘The Dream documents the story of how Lucifer, a metaphor for "Mind" was cast out from "Heaven" to "descend" to the outer reaches of the Universe - the physical Universe, Lucifer eventually creating Earth.’

It now appears your point of view on Lucifer is different than that of the author of the book “Science of Being”. Is this the only difference?

I agree with Eugene Fersen completely on this. If I have given another impression then I am not aware of it and anyway was not intended.

I agree with you that Lucifer represents the mind’s state of Ego.
From what I had previously learned about one’s spiritual journey, it is about eliminating ego manifestations, obvious and the hidden ones. To progress spiritually, one should strive to extinguish and eliminate ego vibrations from one’s spirit’s energy field, in order to harmonize one’s spirit with the highest vibrations of God and Love.

The journey to perfection requires many states to have been achieved starting on Earth.

Subjugating the Ego is a crucial one. Note that we cannot destroy the Ego because it is who we Are, but rather those aspects of Ego that hold us back.

Other crucial states are Realisation of Source, God within.  This does not mean knowing this truth on an intellectual level, but actually Being this state, i.e. feeling and knowing God within, and thereby consciously expressing God.

Unconditional Love is another state, and that means for all Life and creation however small or simple. For example it is not possible to achieve this state without being Vegan, because knowingly eating animals, which are aspects of ourselves, falls far short as does using fly spray or otherwise interfering with the Lives of Any Being including plant life.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Adrian]

Hello Baki Hanma,

Hello Adrian,

Are you planning on releasing the "SCIENCE OF BEING 27 Lessons" within your newsletters? How is it different from the first one?

You will have to wait and see 

One thing I can say is that the 27 Lessons do not supercede the 7 Lessons. The latter should definitely be read first.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Baki Hanma]

Hello Adrian,

Are you planning on releasing the "SCIENCE OF BEING 27 Lessons" within your newsletters? How is it different from the first one?



Oh here is the Star Exercise for anyone having trouble with it  .

The Star Exercise

[Baki Hanma]

Ok I'll wait . So the next issue will go from where the latter left off on. Or will it be entire different?

[melody]

Hi there everybody. Please excuse my ignorance if I get this wrong. According to the book I have just finished " The Art Of Redemtion". Satan as our in our darkness/ego must be embraced and forgiven for us to move forward and to stop it having power over us. An example given was when Jesus was tempted by "satan".. It goes on to say that this was his oppurtunity to embrace and forgive the darkness which he failed to do( not embracing and forgiving) and thus lead to his eventual downfall. Also due to the fact that he still hadn't forgiven those others etc that were plotting against him and that if he had his protection things may have been different, then continues to say that once embraced and forgiven this can then in turn be used to protect us as like understands like. This is just the authors opinion but any views on this. Looking at what I have just written I hope it makes sense.

Gary

Hello Gary,

Maybe what is involved in regard of the ego is recognizing it and releasing it. The word "emracing" might be wrongly interpreted as internalizing and deepening inside oneself.

The human aspect of Jesus Christ recognized the Ego states when being tempted by Satan and simply let them go, releasing them, not internalizing them. This has nothing to do as to what happened afterwords, since Jesus Christ - the God aspect - came to the Earth with the mission to play the drama he did.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

The human aspect of Jesus Christ recognized the Ego states when being tempted by Satan

Who do you recognise as "satan" vis a vis Lucifer?

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Hello Melody.

‘The Dream documents the story of how Lucifer, a metaphor for "Mind" was cast out from "Heaven" to "descend" to the outer reaches of the Universe - the physical Universe, Lucifer eventually creating Earth.’

It now appears your point of view on Lucifer is different than that of the author of the book “Science of Being”. Is this the only difference?

I agree with Eugene Fersen completely on this. If I have given another impression then I am not aware of it and anyway was not intended.

I should have also quoted this, what you said

"God created the planet Earth, Lucifer created the Ego aspect of Earth represented by the human race as we know it today. '

However the quote from the book gives an impression that it was Lucifer who created physical Earth.

Would you imply that Lucifer created human race?

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

I should have also quoted this, what you said

"God created the planet Earth, Lucifer created the Ego aspect of Earth represented by the human race as we know it today. '

However the quote from the book gives an impression that it was Lucifer who created physical Earth.

Would you imply that Lucifer created human race?

No.

God created "the Heavens and the Earth".

God also created humans - in "Heaven" - I am using that word in the interests of simplicity. We all lived in Heaven before "descending to Earth".

Of course many, if not most Beings, aspects of God, choose not to incarnate into the physical Universe - it is entirely a matter of choice out of freewill.

"Lucifer", Ego Mind, created everything else on Earth - the cities, the homes, the cars etc.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Hello Melody,

The human aspect of Jesus Christ recognized the Ego states when being tempted by Satan

Who do you recognise as "satan" vis a vis Lucifer?

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Hello Adrian,

This is what I already wrote on this topic in this forum:

"Lucifer was an angel, the favorite angel of God, and had a function of bearing the light.... After transgressing, the entity formerly called Lucifer had lost that name, has lost this title and the function of an angel, and had also lost its function of the bearer of Light. That task had reverted back to God, who is the ultimate Light, the creator and bearer of all the Light there is. The bearer of Light for tEarth is now Christ, as that aspect of God who watches over us.

After his fall, the entity formerly called Lucifer had acquired names Satan, Set, and Devil (there might be more). This entity is still mistakenly referred to as Lucifer (this word means “the bearer of light”) which he no longer is. He is a fallen angel..."

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

"Lucifer was an angel, the favorite angel of God, and had a function of bearing the light.... After transgressing, the entity formerly called Lucifer had lost that name, has lost this title and the function of an angel, and had also lost its function of the bearer of Light. That task had reverted back to God, who is the ultimate Light, the creator and bearer of all the Light there is. The bearer of Light for tEarth is now Christ, as that aspect of God who watches over us.

After his fall, the entity formerly called Lucifer had acquired names Satan, Set, and Devil (there might be more). This entity is still mistakenly referred to as Lucifer (this word means “the bearer of light”) which he no longer is. He is a fallen angel..."

Above in this topic you say:

I agree with you that Lucifer represents the mind’s state of Ego.

That seems to be to be very different from Lucifer being a "fallen Angel".

Almost everyone on Earth represents Lucifer, but are not "fallen Angels" unless we are all "fallen Angels".

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Above in this topic you say:

I agree with you that Lucifer represents the mind's state of Ego.

That seems to be to be very different from Lucifer being a "fallen Angel".

Almost everyone on Earth represents Lucifer, but are not "fallen Angels" unless we are all "fallen Angels".

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Hello Adrian,

I made a mistake, as most people do, confusing Lucifer and Satan

It is Satan representing the state of Ego. Before the fall (after having transgressed against God) he was a bright shining Light. Lucifer was an angel, a created being, created by God. Because of a free will bestawed to all created beings by God, Lucifer has chosen the Ego, had fallen, and became Satan.  Since he no longer bears Light, he is no longer Lucifer.

We are no angels, we are human beings. And we have also fallen from the state of bliss and eternal life we had in the Garden of Eden, by aligning ourselves with the fallen angel Satan, formerly called Lucifer, or rather aligning our thought processes, our mind, with his, and with his way of thinking. By this we have acquired all sorts of Ego states, both visible and hiden to ourselves.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

I made a mistake, as most people do, confusing Lucifer and Satan

It is Satan representing the state of Ego. Before the fall (after having transgressed against God) he was a bright shining Light. Lucifer was an angel, a created being, created by God. Because of a free will bestawed to all created beings by God, Lucifer has chosen the Ego, had fallen, and became Satan.  Since he no longer bears Light, he is no longer Lucifer.

We are no angels, we are human beings. And we have also fallen from the state of bliss and eternal life we had in the Garden of Eden, by aligning ourselves with the fallen angel Satan, formerly called Lucifer, or rather aligning our thought processes, our mind, with his, and with his way of thinking. By this we have acquired all sorts of Ego states, both visible and hiden to ourselves.

I can see you subscribe to the traditional religious interpretation rather than those of myself and Eugene Ferson for example.

Form experience I believe this is always a good place to end the debate about Lucipher and "satan".

I am interested to hear your perspective on the "Garden of Eden" however since you mentioned it.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Baki Hanma]

Not to spoil the fun between Adrian and Melody , but I have a question on Jesus and all those other "Ascended Masters"

Why is it that in many of these books I read. They mention that Jesus didn't die, "he ascended". Yet he left a body behind in the which was put into a temple or whatever it was called. If he ascended then he wouldn't have a body would he ?