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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2012, 17:44:53 »

Hi Everyone!

Before I begin telling my experience, I would like to say that I am now 100% sure that this is where I want to be for the next 4+ years of my life. I will be majoring in Vedic Science and here is an overview on it: http://www.mum.edu/mvsba/welcome.html

Sorry if this post is too long, there is just so much stuff to fit in and I don't want to make anyone bored.

I am doing this primarily because of the lifestyle I will have when I am there and the environment is perfect. This University is where my heart is set currently and I did not feel anything that would oppose my current opinion. My rational mind did question if this was a good community for me due to the fear of joining a cult, but this community is unlike no other place. It really seems like a legitimate place to be for spiritual development. You get a sense of peace and harmony when you walk in the University. The buildings are all set up in a special Feng-Shui style except it's an Indian style which I forgot the name of but all the buildings are suppose to be facing the direction that the Sun rises. I will have a lot of freedom although I will miss my parents for sure. The people there are very unique. Everyone there is so like-minded and I don't feel like i'm the only one who is into esoteric topics. The students and faculty know that we far more than our temporal circumstances. It seems to be the perfect "hippie" college and I could feel the energy especially in the Golden Domes where everyone meets up to do the Transcendental Meditation to create the Maharishi Effect which changes the field to create Peace. Most are into becoming One with Nature and engaging the Managing Intelligence of Natural Law is what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would teach. I visited the bookstore and there were so many natural products like Vegan Toothpaste that has no fluoride and I got to purchase the Hemp Soap and the alternative toothpaste. The students are encouraged to be at bed by 10:00 and to keep the environment right, there are no drugs or alcohol allowed.

I will now write on what I felt and experienced this weekend. I left Friday Morning, it was a very long trip. I had to take 2 planes and then the shuttle from Des Moines to Fairfield so the whole trip lasted about 12 hours.

The night started with a welcome Dinner and I met many of the counselors and some of the students. The meals in the cafeteria are all vegetarian. I really enjoyed the food Everything is Organic over there and the majority of the people are vegetarian with an exception to some students who have meat cookouts every week in the computer science building. There is a great variety of recipes and one of the Health systems they follow over there is Ayurveda. One of the students told me that the Ayurvedic view on Milk is that it should be drank after boiled, but never Raw. This seems to contradict the idea that milk should be drinked Raw instead and for the Vegan lifestyle, it should not be consumed at all. I wonder why the Ayurveda system includes milk as something healthy to drink.

I was part of a group of about 30 people who were visitors and I was one of the youngest ones as the other ages range from 20 to 50. Many visitors were thinking about transferring and go for their Master's Degree while I was one of the few undergraduates. My primary reason for wanting to attend this University is because I will be able to live a spiritual lifestyle being around like-minded people and the spiritual practices such as Transcendental Meditation. Getting a degree is secondary and not as important as my spiritual development. By the time I graduate, I will have an idea of how I will make a living. I have not decided yet if I will go beyond my Bachelor's.

On Saturday Morning, I went on a campus tour and went to the Men's Dormitories and got to see the room I will be resting in. I also went to the Sustainable Living Department and the head of Sustainable Living also using Vegetable/Cooking Oil to fuel his car just like Adrian. Cheesy
I have no heard this school mention Free Energy Technology by Tesla, though. I always hear about Solar and Wind Energy. The University is all about 100% Inner and Outer Sustainability. During the winter the weather in Fairfield has been Sub Zero and I am not sure how well I will handle that unless I learn those visualization techniques I read in one of Adrian's earliest newsletters to get my mind used to the cold temperature. I am used to florida weather and to me, 50 degrees farenheit is cold.

After the Campus Tour, I had lunch with the faculty and I had the opportunity to speak with my future professor, Tom Egenes. He told me I would be having a class on Physics with John Hagelin since I will be majoring in Vedic Science. I guess the reason they call it a Science is because they relate the Vedic scriptures with Quantum Physics. I had an interesting discussion with the professor and I told him that I am not religious, but really spiritual-oriented. I was complimented alot by people who said I was really young to be interested in such profound courses.

After lunch, I went to a brief overview of Financial Aid and the Transcendental Meditation Technique.
I will need to take out some Federal Loans and I think it is worth it because I shouldn't have any trouble paying it back after I graduate. Being part of a low-income household, I was able to receive a lot of financial aid from the University and the Gov't.

I had some free time to explore the town and the campus and Fairfield is very quiet, almost like a ghost town. That's only after walking for 30 minutes.

At night, there was a Gourmet Pizza Party and I got to listen to the music of some of the students and speak with the Dean of Admissions - he was very friendly and he got to meet my family.

The highlight of Sunday was going inside the Golden Dome and there were mats all over for the Transcendental Meditation. I heard that the more people that meditate together, there is an exponential effect that creates peace, although I am not sure if this is true. During the group meditations, everyone's energy seems to merge together which creates a change in the overall consciousness during the sessions.

On Monday morning, I got to visit classes of my choice and the first class I went to was a Graduate class for Maharishi Vedic Science. The topic was on Enlightenment, the Brain, and EEG. After they discussed what Vedic Science was, they started to listen to these Sanskrit chants and then they started reading Sanskrit for a couple of minutes which I did not understand at all. The class was lead by Dr. Fred Travis. Could Enlightenment not only have spiritual effects but also physiological results?

I want this college to be an experience that will help me get started on my spiritual practices and a Catalyst that will help me seek the truth that is within.

If you have gotten this far, I thank you for taking the time to read my story!  afro

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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2012, 23:04:10 »

Dear David


I enjoyed reading your beautiful story very much. All throughout sounds not only lovely but almost like a little paradise. I am very happy such places of study exist in the world.

I think you will be okay with lower temperatures you just need to learn how to dress in winter and how to be active - however you won't spend much time outdoors I suppose.

Really to be at those courses and is marvelous I am certain you will enjoy your life very much and you will see after about more studies or not.

Indeed they were right to be such a young person and know beyond doubt all you want in spiritual development Smiley I wish when I was young we knew about spirituality where I was living, however I am making up a lot for it these days Cheesy.

When do you start? September?


Thank you again for sharing ...I am still smiling Smiley ...for some reason this song comes to mind:

Noa - Life is beautiful - La vita è bella
http://youtu.be/Ds5A-zAck54



all love and blessings for an auspicious time


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« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2012, 10:35:37 »

Esteemed Explorer, this was interesting to read.

Regarding milk, you are right. Ayurvedic medicine regards milk as "good" and if my memory serves me right (no promises on that one!) garlic is "not good". Vegans, on the other hand, do not drink milk for varying reasons (for me, animal welfare is the main one).

However, if the course feels right for you (just BE and follow your heart, as Adrian wouid say) then it may be what you seek.

Warmest best wishes, whatever you decide!
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« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2012, 10:56:37 »

in-joy Explorer Smiley
you had wonderful experience   afro
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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2012, 06:35:03 »

Hi Everyone!

Before I begin telling my experience, I would like to say that I am now 100% sure that this is where I want to be for the next 4+ years of my life. I will be majoring in Vedic Science and here is an overview on it: http://www.mum.edu/mvsba/welcome.html

Sorry if this post is too long, there is just so much stuff to fit in and I don't want to make anyone bored.

I am doing this primarily because of the lifestyle I will have when I am there and the environment is perfect. This University is where my heart is set currently and I did not feel anything that would oppose my current opinion. My rational mind did question if this was a good community for me due to the fear of joining a cult, but this community is unlike no other place. It really seems like a legitimate place to be for spiritual development. You get a sense of peace and harmony when you walk in the University. The buildings are all set up in a special Feng-Shui style except it's an Indian style which I forgot the name of but all the buildings are suppose to be facing the direction that the Sun rises. I will have a lot of freedom although I will miss my parents for sure. The people there are very unique. Everyone there is so like-minded and I don't feel like i'm the only one who is into esoteric topics. The students and faculty know that we far more than our temporal circumstances. It seems to be the perfect "hippie" college and I could feel the energy especially in the Golden Domes where everyone meets up to do the Transcendental Meditation to create the Maharishi Effect which changes the field to create Peace. Most are into becoming One with Nature and engaging the Managing Intelligence of Natural Law is what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would teach. I visited the bookstore and there were so many natural products like Vegan Toothpaste that has no fluoride and I got to purchase the Hemp Soap and the alternative toothpaste. The students are encouraged to be at bed by 10:00 and to keep the environment right, there are no drugs or alcohol allowed.

I will now write on what I felt and experienced this weekend. I left Friday Morning, it was a very long trip. I had to take 2 planes and then the shuttle from Des Moines to Fairfield so the whole trip lasted about 12 hours.

The night started with a welcome Dinner and I met many of the counselors and some of the students. The meals in the cafeteria are all vegetarian. I really enjoyed the food Everything is Organic over there and the majority of the people are vegetarian with an exception to some students who have meat cookouts every week in the computer science building. There is a great variety of recipes and one of the Health systems they follow over there is Ayurveda. One of the students told me that the Ayurvedic view on Milk is that it should be drank after boiled, but never Raw. This seems to contradict the idea that milk should be drinked Raw instead and for the Vegan lifestyle, it should not be consumed at all. I wonder why the Ayurveda system includes milk as something healthy to drink.

I was part of a group of about 30 people who were visitors and I was one of the youngest ones as the other ages range from 20 to 50. Many visitors were thinking about transferring and go for their Master's Degree while I was one of the few undergraduates. My primary reason for wanting to attend this University is because I will be able to live a spiritual lifestyle being around like-minded people and the spiritual practices such as Transcendental Meditation. Getting a degree is secondary and not as important as my spiritual development. By the time I graduate, I will have an idea of how I will make a living. I have not decided yet if I will go beyond my Bachelor's.

On Saturday Morning, I went on a campus tour and went to the Men's Dormitories and got to see the room I will be resting in. I also went to the Sustainable Living Department and the head of Sustainable Living also using Vegetable/Cooking Oil to fuel his car just like Adrian. Cheesy
I have no heard this school mention Free Energy Technology by Tesla, though. I always hear about Solar and Wind Energy. The University is all about 100% Inner and Outer Sustainability. During the winter the weather in Fairfield has been Sub Zero and I am not sure how well I will handle that unless I learn those visualization techniques I read in one of Adrian's earliest newsletters to get my mind used to the cold temperature. I am used to florida weather and to me, 50 degrees farenheit is cold.

After the Campus Tour, I had lunch with the faculty and I had the opportunity to speak with my future professor, Tom Egenes. He told me I would be having a class on Physics with John Hagelin since I will be majoring in Vedic Science. I guess the reason they call it a Science is because they relate the Vedic scriptures with Quantum Physics. I had an interesting discussion with the professor and I told him that I am not religious, but really spiritual-oriented. I was complimented alot by people who said I was really young to be interested in such profound courses.

After lunch, I went to a brief overview of Financial Aid and the Transcendental Meditation Technique.
I will need to take out some Federal Loans and I think it is worth it because I shouldn't have any trouble paying it back after I graduate. Being part of a low-income household, I was able to receive a lot of financial aid from the University and the Gov't.

I had some free time to explore the town and the campus and Fairfield is very quiet, almost like a ghost town. That's only after walking for 30 minutes.

At night, there was a Gourmet Pizza Party and I got to listen to the music of some of the students and speak with the Dean of Admissions - he was very friendly and he got to meet my family.

The highlight of Sunday was going inside the Golden Dome and there were mats all over for the Transcendental Meditation. I heard that the more people that meditate together, there is an exponential effect that creates peace, although I am not sure if this is true. During the group meditations, everyone's energy seems to merge together which creates a change in the overall consciousness during the sessions.

On Monday morning, I got to visit classes of my choice and the first class I went to was a Graduate class for Maharishi Vedic Science. The topic was on Enlightenment, the Brain, and EEG. After they discussed what Vedic Science was, they started to listen to these Sanskrit chants and then they started reading Sanskrit for a couple of minutes which I did not understand at all. The class was lead by Dr. Fred Travis. Could Enlightenment not only have spiritual effects but also physiological results?

I want this college to be an experience that will help me get started on my spiritual practices and a Catalyst that will help me seek the truth that is within.

If you have gotten this far, I thank you for taking the time to read my story!  afro

Be Well

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Dear Explorer,

Thank you very much for your wonderful detailed account of your visit - I really enjoyed reading all about it.

Well - it seems as if you have made up your Mind already - your obvious Joy of the Experience shines through - which is great.

Yes - Follow Your Heart - I see you are doing just that Smiley

If you like Florida weather, don't come to England <lol>. Right now, even late May, it is technically maybe 8c to 10c, but the wind-chill makes it feel more like zero Smiley

Keep us informed of your experiences and progress my friend.

Lots of Love,

Adrian.
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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2012, 06:44:08 »

Esteemed Explorer, this was interesting to read.

Regarding milk, you are right. Ayurvedic medicine regards milk as "good" and if my memory serves me right (no promises on that one!) garlic is "not good". Vegans, on the other hand, do not drink milk for varying reasons (for me, animal welfare is the main one).

However, if the course feels right for you (just BE and follow your heart, as Adrian wouid say) then it may be what you seek.

Warmest best wishes, whatever you decide!

Dear DAHS,

Yes it's curious isn't it.

As a Vegan, I do not eat anything with milk in it, for both ethical, Spiritual and nutritional reasons.  I will refrain from going in to the specifics of each factor - we must each decide for ourselves - there is no "right" or "wrong" per se.

Garlic on the other hand is amazing food on so many levels. I simply cannot imagine anything negative about Garlic, but maybe there are factors I am not aware of.

I do know this in general terms - Garlic, being a plant that grows in Mother Earth, is natural to the human bodily system, whereas milk from cows is not.

Lots of Love,

Adrian.
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« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2012, 21:31:42 »

Dear Laura, DAHS, ritaj, and Adrian

I appreciate all of your comments and feedback.

Laura - Indeed, I am expecting this place to be full of harmony and hopefully I will be able to accelerate my growth in order to be prepared for the upcoming new age of consciousness. I have started early, and I just don't want to fall on my path and get distracted by the many things out there..
I will be officially moving to Iowa on August 15th for an orientation and then classes begin on August 20th.

DAHS, I choose not to drink any Milk because I just don't like the taste of it and for Ethical concerns. I became Vegetarian around 2 years ago and preparing to become a Vegan once I am at the University.

ritaj, I will certainly do my best to enjoy this brand milestone of life.

Thank you Adrian and all for taking the time to read my story and also for leaving feedback.
I have never heard anything negative about Garlic, I really like to eat it.

I hope I am able to start meditating every day before I start doing TM and this is very hard for me to do, somehow I need to be consistent with it because I have ended up stopping after 2 weeks due to not getting enough sleep. At the University though, they really encourage sleep, and there will be minimal stress for an efficient Meditation.

In Gratitude,

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« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2012, 09:15:39 »

Dear Explorer,

This will be a wonderful experience I am sure. Not many have that sort of opportunity, and it sounds as if you have a very supportive family which helps enormously.

Meditation should never become a chore.  It does take discipline at first, but soon will be something to look forward to - and never want to stop Smiley

In prefer to meditate away from my home if possible - too many distractions - and particuarly in nature which is heavenly.  I am looking forward to the Water Lilies blooming in my Koi Carp pond - hope they do this year - I have only just planted all but one of them - Water Lilies - even the sight of them sends me somewhere else Smiley  I have also planted a Sacred Lotus.

I think all true meditation is "Transcendental" because we are transcending the boundaries and limitations of this physical plane. There are many ways of attaining this of course.

Do keep us updated - I love to see how people unfold Spiritually. And keep posting here in the meantime of course.

Loys of Love,

Adrian.
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« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2012, 21:20:13 »

Meditation is an experience that transcends all.

It brings forth things from us like Adrians pond. Something beautiful, as a living painting or a book that brings you into its self to tell its story. It also provides an oasis for life that refuses to surrender its freedom.
It does transcend the noise and chatter, the mundane and the demand of attention. There are Zen meditations I do from time to time. - to aid bringing the silence into the chattering. Going into calm and silence then returning slowly as breath upon a breeze until I am aware of the sounds of life as intimately as I know the silence. Until I know from its tones of speech - that is a robin, that noise is a cricket, the sound of a branches indignant thrashing from being landed on. Till I know the feel of a ripple and the dragon flies feet upon it.
Walk silently from the great silent vastness into the awareness of all life outside your Self. The breath will carry you on a confident path.
Through this practice you realize you can see with eyes large enough to see the harmony of it all from the Universe to the inner universe of your Self. There is no chaos only eyes that cannot see wide enough or large enough.
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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2012, 04:10:19 »

Meditation is an experience that transcends all.

It brings forth things from us like Adrians pond. Something beautiful, as a living painting or a book that brings you into its self to tell its story. It also provides an oasis for life that refuses to surrender its freedom.
It does transcend the noise and chatter, the mundane and the demand of attention. There are Zen meditations I do from time to time. - to aid bringing the silence into the chattering. Going into calm and silence then returning slowly as breath upon a breeze until I am aware of the sounds of life as intimately as I know the silence. Until I know from its tones of speech - that is a robin, that noise is a cricket, the sound of a branches indignant thrashing from being landed on. Till I know the feel of a ripple and the dragon flies feet upon it.
Walk silently from the great silent vastness into the awareness of all life outside your Self. The breath will carry you on a confident path.
Through this practice you realize you can see with eyes large enough to see the harmony of it all from the Universe to the inner universe of your Self. There is no chaos only eyes that cannot see wide enough or large enough.


Beautifully said my Dear Friend.

Enough said.

Lots of Love,

Adrian.
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