Rhetorical Rambling or Normal Insanity!

[Talker]

Rhetorical Rambling or Normal Insanity!
(as a regular member doing a post)

Many thoughts arise and feelings are engendered as I read through these many posts within this forum. How to place a feeling / thought into any specific category, when that feeling / thought is of short duration and contributes little to the conversation going on. Regardless of coherency, or lack of, will just meander into the flow of feeling / thoughts, and see where it winds up.
Don't want to toss cold water on some words that are expressed by members. Just want to release my momentary 'idea form' that has no real home within the forum. There is no right / wrong, proper / improper, true or false aspect with any of what is being posted. Appears that human curiosity is in full play, with no limitations or boundaries. We express how we view, that, which we call God. Yet those views are so varied that at one point it seems we loose sight of the fact, that no one really knows what God is.
Yes, the so called Holy Bible is brought into play, often with highly conflicting viewpoints. Each bible presenter holds dearly and tightly to what they actually believe is valid. Reading of the Holy Bible, falls into a category that would / could be classified as a, murder, genocide, rape, hope, dispair, impaling, ethnic cleansing, and political novel.
Just reading that ones Creator, caused himself to be born and crucified to make up for his having made a creation mistake, and some one needs to suffer for it boggles my mind.
 
More, as I see it, problems come up, when we start assigning human qualities to God, and then question why the messed up conditions of the world, and why God allows these conditions.
Good material correctly used, but still a confusing read.
Mention of Jesus, brings along many points of view. Actually there is only brief authentic mention of Jesus by a Jewish rebel-turned-writer, named Joseph ben Matthias, who took on the name Flavius Josephus. Basically Jesus and his first followers were, in his day, classified, as a band of insignificant troublemakers in a far flung corner of the Roman empire. Most everthing else one reads about Jesus, come about through word of mouth, that culminates in what is called the New Testament. The bible as we know it today, is the result produced through centuries of inky fingerprints, translations, and interpretations, by various writers, over the course of four thousand years. Did Jesus really exist! I don't know or even care. What matters to me are the words attributed as being said by him.

Lately, with scientists coming up with all the Quantum theories, an awakening and awareness of a whole new ball game is setting in.
Yet, the human race has had minds that goes back thousands of years ago, that were explaining to some degree, what modern day scientists, are now presenting as new  radical idea stuff.

Numerous people are coming in with channeled information, each expressing some new way of understanding our existence and the world.
If only there was a bit of continuity involved.

Common sense thinking shatters the various concepts they mention, are they speaking on alternate / parallel plains of existence. Really need to be aware of what you are going to believe in.

Ah, goodness, what a ramble.
Be Well

[Mina-Laura]

My beloved friend,

Really need to be aware of what you are going to believe in.

Let me understand what you try to tell me here: you are not sure what to believe in?? OR... you are cautioning everybody about the 'train' of belief.

As for myself I don't believe but in one thing, the glow at my center that each 'story' brings.

Perhaps Bible has a very good reason to be assaulted.

But... let me ask you, why people need to 'touch' that historical evidence in order to believe.
Is their faith so weak that the moment someone comes and says: "by the way, Jesus never existed" it all falls to crumble...?!?

Then I can say only one thing: " ..sigh.... why would you look for anyting outside of yourself to make you feel secure, and your ground solid?"

love to you this blessed Sunday

[juliainkc]

Dear Talker,

Your deep wisdom resounds in your post here. And we are indeed giving our individual slant, translations based on our unique dictionary of terms 'picked up' through our own personal experiences.

I for one am intuned and very open to hearing you ramble a bit more on this. Truly.


Not losing sight of the fact that no one really can define what God is to another.

I am listening.

With much Love and appreciation,

Julia

[Talker]

Hi Laura and Julia,

While my post was thinking out loud , with no place to put them in a meaningful manner, delighted to expound upon them.

To the questions posed:

Is a 'cautioning to everybody about the 'train' of belief.'

Not my intent to assaulted the bible, a still very valuable book. Just dislike being clubbed with it as the final authoritative final word when speaking on or about it.

Human curiosity, regards a historical figure, as Jesus, is why I would like to 'touch' upon any facts if available. Lacking the historical facts here, one only has the 'man made stories' to make some serious 'belief' choices, on what to believe.  The reactions deep in my heart and soul, validate, for me, the truth of what was said regards Jesus. It is the energy of his, if they were, 'words' that flavor my choices. Have long marveled at the many words found about a person, that must be taken at 'face' value, and of what is found, that came to be written about, through recall or scant notes, many years after the Jesus event.

Beliefs arrive and are formed from many sources. So is a very serious matter when the 'events and words' are at odds with each other. Beliefs are the formative backbone of what develops faith in a something. This faith, and belief situation is more complex than greets ones eyes.

Well, it's much like a child at an early stage of life, that looks at the person in front of them, as being there solely for that child's needs and comfort. The child at that point, has no other reference point, until more experience is gained. So before any 'feel secure, ground solid' can occur, there must be a reference point established. When we are born, all spiritual reference points are 'hidden', and that is what makes life so interesting. We gather outer experiences, and if, how to say this, all is well, no problem. But if tiny slivers of 'something is not right' starts causing inner unrest, is when you seek other 'input'.  some will find 'inner' guidance readily. Others will find a book or forum like OUR, and read that 'you' must go within for assistance. Still, some others will see a beautiful 'event or scene' and receive their 'ahaa' to that inner guidance.
Because we are all unique and special souls following a Soul plan, how one perceives a series of words, will be tempered by that Soul plan.
Quite the learning curve.
Be Well

[juliainkc]

Hello Dear Talker and Everyone,

Beliefs arrive and are formed from many sources. So is a very serious matter when the 'events and words' are at odds with each other. Beliefs are the formative backbone of what develops faith in a something. This faith, and belief situation is more complex than greets ones eyes.

Well, it's much like a child at an early stage of life, that looks at the person in front of them, as being there solely for that child's needs and comfort. The child at that point, has no other reference point, until more experience is gained.

So before any 'feel secure, ground solid' can occur, there must be a reference point established. When we are born, all spiritual reference points are 'hidden', and that is what makes life so interesting. We gather outer experiences, and if, how to say this, all is well, no problem.

But if tiny slivers of 'something is not right' starts causing inner unrest, is when you seek other 'input'.  some will find 'inner' guidance readily. Others will find a book or forum like OUR, and read that 'you' must go within for assistance. Still, some others will see a beautiful 'event or scene' and receive their 'ahaa' to that inner guidance.

Because we are all unique and special souls following a Soul plan, how one perceives a series of words, will be tempered by that Soul plan.

Quite the learning curve.
Be Well

I appreciate your excellent thoughts being shared here.

With Love to you and All,

Julia

[zensunni7]

We talk here of Spiritual relationships.
Yet we apply the same pettiness to this that destroys relationships in the flesh. Jealousies, possession mentality, the need to be right. All Gods we say we are here and not knowing what it means to act like God, connected to Source in unconditional love. Cloaking criticisms and judgments of all words written on these pages. I am no exception.
 
Who has the most posts answering for numbers rather than content, vying to be the top poster, most seen face, and the one that tells the masses of members what is right and wrong for them to know, believe and how to love.
School clicks hanging on to amass numbers for the ' cause ' be on my side. Eat this, do not eat that, this is best, that is not the way to enlightenment. This is the " Way " and walk like me, talk like me, or your condemned to exticntion in the wrath and rapture.
Whatever your belief, we should all be alive and on fire, calling the name of whatever God you are Sourced with. Unconditional love does not see what we like or dislike at all, it cannot see it, it cannot feel it. It is moving at light speed, for in meditation calm is so fast that you must release even trying to know it.
In this Moment we feel only our power, not our powerlessness - nothing hurts, nothing slows us down.
 
Look to 2012 but stay in the moment. Ever outward into the web, books, others thoughts and ideals of the awakened - never seeing the judgments that precede the enlightened upon those that are not of their beliefs. Never has unconditional love had so many conditions to it. never have so many sought that which is always here. Women demanding men feminize, men demanding woman do the same, each gender still warring for age old domination of the race. Now under the guise of loving salvation.
Save yourself or kiss your blood good-bye, your lineage will not be alive in life. Salvation comes when we feel our power to know we do not need salvation, we are not as we have been guided to believe. Religion did not hurt us, we hurt it when we surrendered Sacredness and reverence for who are, Now, in this Moment.
News flash folks - its all bullshit - ALL of it. It is a mass of agendas, manipulations and the same old snake oil sales pitch for the miracle cures only found within Self. Really get the balls to look out the window and there it is - The Moment - and that is your Ultimate Reality in it.
Until you shed the skin of all this - you will not know it at all. Until you stop worshiping others words you will not know our own, and that is what scares you to seek.
It is the fear that brought you here, not enlightenment, your here seeking a haven from reality - your Ultimate one. You have never been unenlightened, disconnected from Source or less than God- NEVER at any point in your life. Disconnect for a mega-second, and you never existed.
 
You just cannot live up to the myths and legends of what God was told to you.. You try something once or twice, doesn't work, NEXT! When reading all these books from the turn of the century with all their miraculous words, did they work for those that wrote them? Did the ancient ceremonies save the race from annihilation? 
Ah - the clause, all is perfect, all happening as it should according to Gods plan. Seek the inner child. They are seen here in abundance, the tantrums of childhood, me me - pick me, make me the star in the class. Stand as created, say something never said before, act till they are silenced in awe, Walk away and do not look back. Claim the inheritance of your lineage, Jesus is not your savior, he is your equal. Speak eye to eye to Christ.
 
The fits of adolescence, I hate my body, I want better hair,I hate my boobs, I HAVE to have it, its the latest model.  I want - I want - I want. I want it now and I want it all. Got it - NEXT !
Make me special above all others in my life, make me happy, fulfilled, me me and more me.
I see what your going thru, and the run up hill was the choice you made to show you are strong.
 
Yet all you could want your born with. Look in a mirror, it is the only Holy Book and book of Ultimate wisdom you will ever see. When 2012 arrives whatever occurs there will be no wisdom to apply but that which you already have right now within. There is no-one that can tell you or show you, you have to actually live and experience to know your Self, get over it, the over yourself, then over the worshiping of anyone, any deity, any thing.
How dare we Be God and the creation of Source and say that we have anything but a future of glory in a Universe impatient for our presence. If it is a New day and you ate the same breakfast as yesterday your walking a circle.
 
If these be the answers, what was the question? Do you even remember asking it?
Do you even remember you?
Moving across an ocean does not change anything but location - same Earth, same you. Grant your wishes and you will not be satisfied until the next one takes its place. You can meditate everyday, and it means nothing if you are not your meditation when you open your eyes.
If you be alive, you are all already,you are strong already, your are Source already.
I have willed not to just survive, to not just carry on, I refuse to only hang on though it all.
I choose to walk as all, I have walked since the first breath of life.
I cannot Be - if I am trying to Be.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZpNaW1eV-E&feature=related

[juliainkc]

I love you Darrell my Beloved Brother,

The HeartSoul flowing ~

I feel IT ~ See IT ~ Hear IT ~ Know IT ~ Because I AM ONE with IT ~ and I AM not the only ONE here.


I see you all really,

Namaste WithIN Love,
Julia

I in turn return this Love Note to you from all of 'us' here ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZpNaW1eV-E&feature=related

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Darrell,


At last but not the last

I tried to reply to your post earlier then when I reached the part that talks about boobs ... I lost you...actually hmmm I had this impish urge to say a wisecrack. ... boobies..lol... how my baby used to call them.

Anyway reading again I come upon this:

Do you even remember you?

Moving across an ocean does not change anything but location - same Earth, same you.

Grant your wishes and you will not be satisfied until the next one takes its place.

Moving across the ocean made all the difference to me.

I am completely satisfied as all my wishes are granted instantly.

I know myself. What's there to remember?!? All I am is now, in this very moment. The next I'm someone else.

It is the fear that brought you here, not enlightenment, your here seeking a haven from reality - your Ultimate one.

Actually is the LOVE that brough me here. What was I seeking? hmmm  nothing really, just fulfilling my promise to Adrian, then I got caught with the charms of the users. This is an awesome place indeed.

Darrell beloved, I never had the 'religion' experience you and Adrian and other passionate spokesperson have, so I really can't say anything about it.
Religion was a game ...lol... by morning in atheism and materialistic socialism and Sunday s in church having fun with my dear cousin at the expense of the choir master, the priests with long robes, old women crying at the mass while their old mates were dozing. It all ended with happy visits to cemetery, laying flowers... then my parents having a good nap after such a full day ..ahhh those were good times. I could never take my Mom seriously when she went on about religion. But for some reason I got the essence.

Now I am dozing off here..

sweet dream

love

[TheBaron]

Wow, I have missed a lot in only a few days (but I'm struggling to catch up  ).

Some of the truest most astounding "speeches" I have heard to this day come from one man's wandering mind.  Only then does it seem that the conscious is turned inward and loses it's physical restraints (ie egotism, anger).  The wandering mind can be a beautiful thing indeed.  I think that sometimes people forget that the reason why we're here is that we're all lost.  We may have answers, or even more answers than the average person, but we still don't have 'the answer' if there even is one.

I just finally started reading last night The Hidden Messages in Water and it really expounds on the scientists personal beliefs over the experiments he has performed for two decades, and the main message in there is the power of 'words.'  This can be translated into thoughts, verbal, ideas, text, what ever you want, but what it boils down to is that positive reinforces positive and negative reinforces negative.  There is no fighting fire with fire.  Generally people who are healthy of mind and body are also healthy in spirit as well.

With that said, please continue to voice your mind, that's what we're here for anyway.

Much Love,
Brandon

[Mina-Laura]

Brandon !!

With that said, please continue to voice your mind, that's what we're here for anyway.

Thank you for incarnating!!

You know I just realised that I have been so blessed with you and all these other kindred spirits of this Forum, but the greatest gratitude goes to Adrian for creating this 'meeting plane'


Squeezing hugs and kisses. You!! guys and girls help me grow in cosmic sized leaps. Thank you, thank you and Namaste!


love 

[Freedom]

Dearest Laura

I agree it is Love that brought us here. We are meant to be here, sharing, caring and loving.

We are beyond any pettiness, we are the power of love... and I thank Adrian for this forum, as I always have from the day I discovered , and still do.

Lots of love and blessings  and thanks !

Love 

[Talker]

(partial quote from link shown below)
Talker
      Re: Prayer - understanding how and why we pray (to all denominations.)
      Reply #7 on: February 26, 2009, 10:27:58 

Christhood to my understanding, (correct or not) is achieving and living those qualities that reflect an ' Ideal type of Humanity'.

Am taking liberties in expressing here, and revealing the depth of my 'inner' perceptions, along with the 'inner' flow of what I call 'the Battle of Energies'.

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/prayer-understanding-how-and-why-we-pray-to-all-denominations-t942.0.html;msg13265#msg13265

Talker (partial quote from current topic)
    Rhetorical Rambling or Normal Insanity!
« on: February 22, 2009, 13:46:28 » 
Many thoughts arise and feelings are engendered as I read through these many posts within this forum. How to place a feeling / thought into any specific category, when that feeling / thought is of short duration and contributes little to the conversation going on.
Regardless of coherency, or lack of, will just meander into the flow of feeling / thoughts, and see where it winds up.

Many were, and to some degree, still is, the bouts with what is commonly referred to as integrity. One would tend to think, that you either have it or you don't. Never gave it a thought, that integrity can come in many and various flavors, within ones life experiences. What a rude and painful awakening to that fact early in my life experiences. You make a promise, don't break it. Sounds simple enough at first thought. In practice though, ones integrity can be scorched, tattered, bruised, wounded and twisted into many shapes to suit a given purpose. Really shouldn't have been a difficult process. yet, exposure to 'the Battle of Energies' from inner and outer influences was taking it's toll at various levels of my 'Being'. Experienced at ordinary levels of existence, and earning a so called living was barely tolerable. Upon entering the corporate world though, the battle escalated into severe inner conflicts. While not everyone at the top level within the corporate world lacks true integrity, it is amazingly absent with the corporate majority. Once tasting power, it is rare for some corporate entities to yield, without a battle, that taste of power. Raw desire for more power, builds up into 'mine at any cost' aspect rapidly.
When the top corporate echelon contains and entertains a 'mine at any cost' atmosphere, it eventually seeps into all the lower ranks within that company. Private little empires are established, within the larger corporate empire, with costly and at times disastrous results. In this day and age, one can see that same 'mine at any cost' culture at city, county, state, federal and country political party levels. Common sense and integrity just fade into nothingness. What ever happened to 'my word is my bond, and the hand shake seals the deal, with integrity being the base for the action involved. Where has true spiritual integrity flown too! Is there room for the Christ Spirit in this world!
And as often stated, much more could Be related here, to further reflect the beauty and the horror of the words as written here.
Be Well

[juliainkc]

Hi Talker ~ D ~

Won't do the quote box here as I Incourage All to read this thought being shared here by the Ancient One. Namaste.

Indeed. Contracts are writ in bullsh*t and not so much blood anymore. You know well.

My word is my word. Law. Or something like that...

Thank you Talker for being here,

Love, Many Blessings and Be Well,

Julia

[Talker]

Ah yes, the pro and con of everything, is an ongoing process. It is not my intention to downgrade any sound advice, or process offered here in the forum. Yet there is the personal reality of each and every individual speaking, that is unique to them. Some are readily able to invoke their mind power with excellent results. Others do have a degree of difficulty invoking mind power. Does that signify a weakness! No, I believe it only stresses that we all, each and every one of us are so unique, that only within certain parameters do we share common 'filter' factors. Beyond that point we have our own specific 'filters' that flavor 'the what one can readily achieve with mind power'.

That use of mind power, is ultimately the major factor in what actually takes place, is true.

How rapidly any 'change' takes place is the huge variable.

Until ones own 'existing filters' are altered, by what ever means, it is no easy process to overcome, if the 'filters' are highly charged with emotions. I personally have seen changes take place with 'really messed up' individuals, albeit, with time consuming methods, that eventually took place. So if 'mind power' evades one temporarily, whats wrong with using 'tools at hand! Use whatever process that even hints at making progress in modifying or changing the internal filters.
At the very emotional core of ones 'being' lurks various 'filters' that are well entrenched. They can in some instances serve as 'protectional' shells.
Some are destructive, some are benign others are malignant.
They may even serve a purpose.
Those filters, good or otherwise, are what makes one 'who they are'.

So, how to rectify the situation!

Recognition is the first step.

Generally that recognition shows up with as 'what is happening' in ones life. Generally again, it's unfavorable conditions. So now one is faced with what's wrong with me, in that I'm not able to fully utilize 'mind power'. Who needs that added burden.

Fact is, use of full mind power is a variable with each person.
I for instance, am not concerned with heights per se, I'll climb a hundred foot tower no problem, but when on a house 'roof edge', only twenty foot in height, I'm a mass of unstable jello. Mind power is the least and most remote thing on my mind at that point. So my internal filters are in full bloom at that moment. Had I been aware of EFT, during my roof walking days, you better believe I would have tried EFT. Knowing more about mind power at that time, may have helped, but was using mind power to get a home, never enterred my mind to use it for low heights concerns.
What created my 'heights filter', well it was 'sliding, down a steeply pitched roof while doing an antenna job. It's the 'oddest' feeling I ever felt. I managed to drive a scratch awl into the roof that finally stopped my slide, while my legs extended beyond the roof. 

So whats the point here you ask!

Another 'life filter' was added to my list.

The 'Law of Accretion' steps in.

A messed up life, is the accumulation of hundreds or thousands of 'filters'. Far to often I see individuals endeavor to correct 'their mess' with a 'one process corrects all' approach.
The way I see it, one builds up a list of 'filters' one by one. At one point, the 'filters' will even interreact' with each other.

'What are our filters of life', causing the present difficulty.

One may now have 'tiny filters, small filters, big filters, large filters, huge filters, multicolored filters' and so on.
Now flavor all of this with various degrees of 'intent, faith, beliefs, love, hate, frustration, joy, failure, success, and religion, and one has the makings for a very interesting life.
These filters are what make you 'YOU'. A very unique Soul.
Doses of love, good music, true friends, and Chakra routines help immensely.

Recognition of, that 'we create our personal reality.
Recognition of, that God or Source is not picking on you.
Recognition of, 'if we created the problem, we can correct it.
Recognition of, problems may need to be corrected one by one.
Recognition of, we are perfect Souls experiencing.
Recognition of, it's hopeless only if you believe that.
Recognition of, if 'Mind Power' initially is not sufficient at this time, one must use other means.

This was supposed to be a short post, got carried away some what.
Be Well

http://thetalker.org/archives/65/63-why-did-i-do-that-updated-12-14-2007/

http://thetalker.org/archives/43/41-health-and-emotional-factors/

http://thetalker.org/archives/81/79-stressdepression-rewires-the-brain/

http://thetalker.org/archives/370/38-dark-night-of-the-soul/

http://thetalker.org/archives/383/42-talker-on-lifes-challenges/

http://thetalker.org/archives/228/19-the-pit-in-the-cherry-and-the-guitar/

http://thetalker.org/archives/182/9-negative-ambiance-thinking/

[juliainkc]

Ah Talker,

Once again, Ancient One, words to the wise...

Your entire post is well worth the read. Truth. I am only highlighting certain emphasis which speaks to me in bold and italicized expression...

Ah yes, the pro and con of everything, is an ongoing process. It is not my intention to downgrade any sound advice, or process offered here in the forum. Yet there is the personal reality of each and every individual speaking, that is unique to them.
 
Some are readily able to invoke their mind power with excellent results. Others do have a degree of difficulty invoking mind power. Does that signify a weakness! No, I believe it only stresses that we all, each and every one of us are so unique, that only within certain parameters do we share common 'filter' factors.

Beyond that point we have our own specific 'filters' that flavor 'the what one can readily achieve with mind power'.

That use of mind power, is ultimately the major factor in what actually takes place, is true.

How rapidly any 'change' takes place is the huge variable.

Recognition is the first step.

Generally that recognition shows up with as 'what is happening' in ones life. Generally again, it's unfavorable conditions. So now one is faced with what's wrong with me, in that I'm not able to fully utilize 'mind power'. Who needs that added burden.

Recognition of, that 'we create our personal reality.
Recognition of, that God or Source is not picking on you.
Recognition of, 'if we created the problem, we can correct it.
Recognition of, problems may need to be corrected one by one.
Recognition of, we are perfect Souls experiencing.
Recognition of, it's hopeless only if you believe that.
Recognition of, if 'Mind Power' initially is not sufficient at this time, one must use other means.

Indeed, who needs the added burden...

I agree, that All are able to invoke their 'mind power' quite readily and are doing so in this very moment ... realizing this is what allows one to recognize just who is pushing the buttons behind the screen ... the what you see and are seeing is what you are seeing rising up from within the depths, whether recognized or not in the moment determines the time factor in this one's life experience ... the 'aha' of this very recognition for this one...

I am finding that when all blame ceases, then reality sets into place ... recognition ...

On this one's ride, the bumps and delays, are due to when I see 'someone' or 'something' else holding me up or back or down ...

I am big on liking tools, even if I do not know how to use all of them yet, I like to hang out with ones who are willing to share their knowledge of the use of these tools making them more 'useful' when they were once 'useless' without the knowledge ... I InJoy doing so in likewise fashion...

Namaste Talker, thank you always for sharing your tools and knowledge on how to use them in a way that has served you well ... I see you ...

and you share well ... K&H

Love in Spirit,

Julia