Relationships and Spirituality

[Mina-Laura]

Hi Louis

(is such a nice name)

The main thing to remember is that we are never alone. And I am not talking from spiritual point of view (strictly). People come and go and is fine, is a natural part of life. In time you will see that perhaps the people you think you lost are not really lost. Like childhood friends for instance. One day you will reconnect with them and it will be as not one day has passed. 

I should read perhaps posts from Melody. I sense a bit of nostalgia here… but the very fact that you compared me to her is another proof that we are never alone, and as someone departs there’s another one to be for us that what we need at the time.

Unfortunately a lot of relationships are lost due to miscommunication and wrong assumptions. And this is the work of the ‘ego’ which likes to keep us isolated by making us feeling sorry for ourselves for things such as not being loved, not having friends etc.
In some weird way it was designed for our protection because without the barriers put in place by the ‘ego’ we would perhaps not really know where the boundary of our vulnerabilities are. The problem with the ‘ego’ is that as soon as we are too weak to control it, it takes charge and does the decisions for us, and before we know it, it takes over and totally runs us. And I’ve seen it many times...people being ran by ego the more they are at it the more difficult is for them to snap out and regain themselves.
You are still very young and you are blessed to be so wise and ready to ‘observe yourself’ in the true light. I have to tell you I am really impressed with how good you are at this!!

A good indication of when the ego is at work is our feelings. Remember ego wants to protect you it doesn’t want you to risk yourself, it wants you alone, lonely even at the cost of feeling sorry for yourself, sad, depressed…and etc. because it’s selfish and wants you all for himself and while alone/lonely you are safe (from exposure).
To do the work of the spirit, you have to be ready to speak the truth, and when it comes to emotions you have to be ready to speak the truth even at the expense of thinking that others might think less of you.

Keep in mind there’s no such thing as a win battle ego- versus- spirit. You need both to be a whole person, you need them both to work in harmony for your optimal growth and progression.
In other words you have to know ‘how and when’ to speak the truth and for this you need both spirit and ego.

I will never tire to be of help when I’m needed Louis, the only think is that at time I might be busy beyond anything imaginable and I do tend to be spaced out due to the many tasks I have at hand.

<hug>

love - Laura

[wavepsychic]

Hi Laura,

I should read perhaps posts from Melody. I sense a bit of nostalgia here… but the very fact that you compared me to her is another proof that we are never alone, and as someone departs there’s another one to be for us that what we need at the time.

I think I told you subconsciously about Melody at that time for a reason. Yes I need not think about Melody because she is present in you and everybody else in everyone else. She was very active in a lot of the older post, particularly Vegan & that is where I started to get close to Melody. She inspired me to try being a Vegan again & she was big on sun gazing safety, lol. It shouldn't be hard to find a lot of her teachings. We all have something to teach here and something to learn otherwise we would never "see" this site.

You are still very young and you are blessed to be so wise and ready to ‘observe yourself’ in the true light. I have to tell you I am really impressed with how good you are at this!!

What a compliment! I love coming in here. I am usually quite so not many know how wise I am. To be honest people don't think I'm anything great here. I am a thinker not a doer & most people don't think thats how people should be. Understanding yet not thinking, knowing yet not learning. Over all I seek knowledge by myself for myself with the power of Gnostic's. Others don't really know me.

The Ego. That which you have written is extremely wise and a reminder to anyone how the should walk the path called life. I have not much to add to what you have said. To live in the now without fear is to have Fortitude. The Ego does not like Fortitude and to me all other Virtues are built on the Foundation of Fortitude. It conquers fear. I life placed on fear isn't a stable life. All other Virtues can their for be stacked on Fortitude.

I really enjoyed your talk about the Ego. In Truthfulness -Louis

[Mina-Laura]

Hi Louis


Thank you for your words of appreciation, am glad that I brought you joy.

Because you made me curious – as which aspect of the person I am reminded you of Melody, I went and read a lot of her postings, threads…
It was an interesting experience for me, so I thank you for pointing me to that. At the same time I learned more about the man called Adrian. In his dialogues with Melody it come clear, an aspect that actually shed a lot of light in certain areas, doubts I had about him/his way of being.

You said she left the forums for personal reasons. Can you tell me what you know about it?
Now I will tell you what I have observed, and I will apologise beforehand because a lot of the people involved won’t like what they hear.

Melody is a person that had a lot of internal arguments and she addressed a lot of the questions that myself I wondered about (but this was a very long time ago).
She was clearly searching for answers and strangely at the same time she had those answers yet she was trying to justify them in some ways to herself.

At some point the people almost lashed on her … it saddened me. Adrian tried… yet at some point even his buttons were pushed to the limit. It was almost as both were convinced of their own truth yet not willing to see it from the other’s eyes.
I will not name names… however those who don’t understand Christianity and do not have thorough inner knowledge of bible (and this is understandable because I have a lot of friends that are like this, having an experience where religion was pushed at them and that made them swing in the total opposite side), anyway these people were almost vicious with her. At some point she was clearly ‘alone’. What few know is that when someone screams at others to be left alone, it is the last thing they actually want…
I haven’t read everything, but the events of August this year (2008) which I assume were most recent.

Interesting dynamics. 

And interesting that now, you remember the ‘good’ side of Melody’s posts…

This reminds me of one of the criteria when choosing. Time ..was invented also for the reason of perceiving value. Because what fades is of no value.
Clearly your Melody memory tells another story.



love - Laura

[wavepsychic]

Hi Laura,

I do not want to say that I think you are Melody like I used to think Seth was Adrian for some reason lol. However some people share a lot of the same colors.

Because you made me curious – as which aspect of the person I am reminded you of Melody

It is not easy to answer this. I only started talking to you recently on here. There is just a type of lady I gravitate to. If I knew you or Melody in person I would be talking to you on a kindred level. When I used to work I met the older woman, excellent Mom type of people that I talked to a lot at each job. This type of person for some reason is the type of person I get along with and there are at least ten. You said you are Vegetarian & Melody was Vegan. In some post it seemed like it was only me and Melody as Vegetarians & everyone else wasn't committed yet. You both talked on here very softly & in a way I can easily read. Julia's post also radiates with light but I just don't relate to her post.

It was an interesting experience for me, so I thank you for pointing me to that. At the same time I learned more about the man called Adrian. In his dialogues with Melody it come clear, an aspect that actually shed a lot of light in certain areas, doubts I had about him/his way of being.

I MUST say how I feel here. It made me feel like i had falling inside when I read that. Like my soul no longer had something to stand on. Adrian is extremely important to me and a lot of us here. He has Children, he doesn't owe us anything. I like Adrian in my life, I get really joyful when I am about to read his replies. When they say "Wave" on the top I get so excited. Is this wrong of me? Am I putting to much "religious" faith in him? I agree with him on so many things. I can not say 100% everything but we are like minded. Do you still have doubts about him? He has given us a lot of personal information about himself here and there. Baki Hanma used to ask a lot of personal questions that I decided I would not ask. His personal life is of no importance however. He says what he believes in, take it or leave it.

You said she left the forums for personal reasons. Can you tell me what you know about it?

She still seemed to have a lot of Religious programing. She was searching for answers but she wanted proof. I think she was to left brain dominate. She had the will to seek but not the intuition. One needs whole brain thinking to be a Gnostic. She thought guys on here were ganging up on her. I do not think it was sexist. She wasn't use the right side of her Brain, the feminine side. Adrian used this to connect with source & Melody demanded proof of what Adrian was saying. Yet she researched everything. I kinda feel bad for talking about Melody. I wish she would just come back & continue learning with all of us.

At some point the people almost lashed on her … it saddened me. Adrian tried… yet at some point even his buttons were pushed to the limit. It was almost as both were convinced of their own truth yet not willing to see it from the other’s eyes.

I think I need to go back and reread what I have said to her. I honestly do not even remember what I said to her last.

I will not name names… however those who don’t understand Christianity and do not have thorough inner knowledge of bible (and this is understandable because I have a lot of friends that are like this, having an experience where religion was pushed at them and that made them swing in the total opposite side), anyway these people were almost vicious with her.

The best way to understand the Bible is to understand where it came from, piece by piece. People must decide things themselves or they will end up deciding on the opposite.

This reminds me of one of the criteria when choosing. Time ..was invented also for the reason of perceiving value. Because what fades is of no value.
Clearly your Melody memory tells another story.

We know time isn't real yet it is hard to always understand "time". When relating to time which does not exist it is often difficult to understand how we should see it. You are so very wise & this is a part of the puzzle I never seen before. Instead of remembering old values we should focus on the current value. Focusing on desires will bring that value into the experience of our senses but ultimately it is up to the Higher Self to decide the current value because what ever experience the Higher Self needs to learn & Evolve is the most important Value. Cyber Space is named "Space" because it is values brought up in exclusion to all other variables. The sites that you have viewed last still exist even when you select a new web page. You are limited by time/space in how many sites you can see at a time where the collective consciousness can see all of the sites because it created them. This is how the Source views all of the Universe at once even though we can not.

In Memory of Melody & in Value of Laura & good night I'm going to bed.

[Mina-Laura]

Hi again Louis

I MUST say how I feel here. It made me feel like i had falling inside when I read that. Like my soul no longer had something to stand on. Adrian is extremely important to me and a lot of us here. He has Children, he doesn't owe us anything.

Okay …lol…  let’s roll back just a bit and let’s make some statements before you let yourself all caved in making wrong assumptions – omg!! What on earth makes you think that my statement was done in a negative way? However perhaps is my mistake of not being clear enough…

See I’m a passionate student of human nature/psyche etc etc..”way of being”.
In other words the sum of everything that makes one person.

For some reason I don’t know I was born with it, or it just comes easy to me or perhaps unconsciously I can ‘read’ a person’s energy or anything along the line…in short ‘I get people’. Is hard to explain, my closest friends tells me I’m an Empath …lol… (if you ever watched Star Treck ..and know of Diana Troy). Anyway some people are easier to read and some are can really be a challenge. So!! (lol) in this context or train of thought Adrian presents me with the delight of a real challenge in terms of ‘getting’ him and when that happens there are ‘doubts’ – look at it as for instance to a decision making conundrum: “hmmm is it like this or like that..or perhaps..hmmm” = doubt in my mind. Capisci??

I do the same thing with Jesus’ words. That’s why for me the Bible is somewhat different because “I get it” with something much more than my heart, my intellect etc.  Is hard to explain it honestly is almost impossible to put in human words those impressions..signature trace … don’t even know how to refer – I guess is in the true-self, in the spirit. Honest to God I can read a fragment and I get what when inside Jesus and so many times is so amusing. Now is not related to Jesus but Adrian's posts makes me smile a lot!! (lol).


So, now that we have realigned the missed- understandings of the between the line – tell me did your soul jumped back to its rightful place or you ad to make an effort to fish it out?? (lol.. tease!!:P)

And just between the two of us I also love Adrian very much,  ...mhm!!,  and as a matter of fact I can’t think of anyone I don’t love. And this passion of mine of ‘getting people’ is related (intensely) to this love. A lot of my friends are actually under the impression that I’m a fool because they think I can only see the good in people. However my ‘love’ is not blind, my love is truth seeking!!

“If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but don't have love, I am nothing.” ~ Corinthians 13.

You said she left the forums for personal reasons. Can you tell me what you know about it?

She still seemed to have a lot of Religious programing. She was searching for answers but she wanted proof. I think she was to left brain dominate. She had the will to seek but not the intuition. One needs whole brain thinking to be a Gnostic. She thought guys on here were ganging up on her. I do not think it was sexist. She wasn't use the right side of her Brain, the feminine side. Adrian used this to connect with source & Melody demanded proof of what Adrian was saying. Yet she researched everything. I kinda feel bad for talking about Melody. I wish she would just come back & continue learning with all of us.

Anyway now that we are at it, the signature trace of Melody’s ‘impression’ and what happened left me saying just one phrase (for you, for Adrian, for anyone actually including myself) and this quote is from a guy you might know his name is Neale Donald Walsh: “What would love do?” (sigh...)

We know time isn't real yet it is hard to always understand "time". When relating to time which does not exist it is often difficult to understand how we should see it.

Now the question of time.
Hmmm the best way for me to explain how I perceive (see) time would be like this: 
Imagine yourself in a very high place like the top of a building, mountain etc. and down in the valley there a stretch of a road, a highway whatever.

Now take a stretch that you can see it all at the same time. And on this stretch of the road that you can see there are cars, running.
(You are an alien and know nothing about the cars on this planet, the technological difference and year editions/make, model or any of this sort).

Let’s say at kilometre x is a Ford Mustang edition 1974,
at kilometre X+ 1 id a Mustang 1979,
at kilometre X+2 is a Mustang 1994 and so on....
They are all new, running on a line of a road, and they are all the same (same model, however in time!!! Each edition is different, evolved, improved etc. )

You are perched up there and you look at them …all brand new, just as out of the factory doors, and from where you are they appeared there all at the same time.
The people inside them know as when each car was made i.e. 10 or 30 years ago etc. they have a ‘time frame of reference’: the car was made 20 years ago, I am driving today, and tomorrow I will get there... the people inside experience a linear time.
You don’t even care about that and for they all are there at the same time.
For you, perched up there and observing that linear stretch of road time doesn’t exist (in that context).
Now imagine that you are in a weird SF movie and everything is possible!!
Time travel, time portals, etc.

You are still up there perched up and you are observing that stretch of road and you see each car in its own time, as you would see time portals i.e. the stretch of road at Kilometre X in the year ’74, the next stretch in the year ’79, the next in the year ’94 and in all of them is you!!!
You are observing yourself in time portals in different time frames along a linear time path.

Mind you is a VERY simplistic representation of what really goes on.

I guess the biggest problem most people have when thinking in terms of ‘relative time’ is stretching the mind to ‘see’ it both from an observer and also from a subject point of view.

Don’t you just love quantum physics?!?! (I have a feeling you would like a  Ferrari thou  ...tease..!!)

You don’t have to explain to me as why you feel you gravitate towards me. I have this property of making people ‘glow’ you know. ...lol... These never need explaining, you only need to let yourself enjoy…(the glow of love).


love - Laura

[juliainkc]

Hello All ~

Such interesting thoughts being shared here and this is in line with this thread as it so relates to relationships and spirituality. While no names may not be being named, Laura, I will say that this makes it difficult for the unnamed ones you are referring to here to be able to honestly communicate with you if one so desires.

This is a public forum and all are welcomed here as you can observe yourself.

I would ask that you not assume by projecting that others will not like what you are sharing. It is very appropriate as this is a subject opened up in the Projections of Consciousness Forum. Interesting and sensing synchronicity here.

While I speak only for myself here, I am aware and do sense that all others are aware here, that anyone that comes into and participates in an open forum such as this, is willing and able to share their own thoughts freely and all thoughts are welcomed even if it creates what one perceives or assumes to be an ‘attacking’ opinion. I am musing here as I do heartily agree that we see what we reflect in kind or what we want to see. Such is the benefits of such a forum. Room to grow, yes? And humor always is welcomed along with all other deciding emotions at play.

An open forum such as this allows one to also be openly observed by all others and opens one to all totality of possibilities and range of comments and opinions of all the ones who are willing to share openly. And this is obvious by your shared perceptions, observing after the fact a partial reading of a post that you share in this thread, that you have not read entirely through. It's going to be a long following through. By following it through it will give you a more expanded view of what my perception understood was a sharing in a growing Unity in this forum from all over the globe of those observing the posts relating to the post you 'seem' to mention. You were not clear in the post you commented on in particular.

It is no secret that in matters pertaining to Spirituality it is definitely a subject prone to many angles and perceptions and sensing based on ones own intuits or interpretations.  Alot of those here have come from 'religious' faiths and perhaps can recall hearing that there were two subjects one just did not discuss in public and that was politics and religion. Mmm... Where did that originate from?

Agreeing and disagreeing is always a possibility. And how one chooses to express it is unique to each one. Some are quiet, some are loud, and some are argumentative and so on. Many things at play to consider here. How another one who is observing as an aside viewer, but not yet having been aware or privy to the previous numerous others threads that led to this particular undefined post is again based on what one chooses to perceive in the interpretation.

All are players and have a part in this experience we call life on Planet Earth, and one has the free will to choose to accept or reject personal responsibility whether one sees this or not. As always one is chosing to reflect based on which way one is choosing in kind to ‘see’, based on which voice one is hearing. Who can be left out in this statement?

I will say that you as I am and all others here are in the wonderful company of many who are also deeply sensing here. I believe all are deeply sensing, some just choose not to be aware of this in this moment. That’s all.

While I am a fellow sensate also, I have shared openly for observation here in this forum that it is not ever my intention to decide what ones intentions are even if I disagree with their point of view. I openly Ask what ones intentions are or point is, as I understand that I cannot speak for another because while being sensate I am not privy to ones agreement with the Higher Self and One’s God or Source of Authentic Self which leads all to Unity, rocks, fire and all.  Agree or disagree, no matter. I have yet to change my 'mind' on this particular understanding or support of truth for myself. 

It is every unique aspect ‘s Divine Rightful Inheritance freely given from the One Source of All, that one has the ability to choose freely, accept, receive or reject by projecting, ownership for OneSelf, and this includes ones thoughts, emotions, assumptions, the way one perceives and also the ability to live and respond according to the leading that one is sensing within in their unique life experience. For myself to do otherwise is to disempower myself by disempowering another.

Ones truth or what one believes is their truth, applies to all in ones reality whether recognized or agreed to or not, by another for this is what one bases what and how one perceives them self to be (one’s identity or ego or Being I Am Presence). Consciously aware or not. Ego is very clever in deceiving ones into a pseudo spirituality and does so by placing labels and definitions. We all have an ego, awareness is recognizing this in my own understanding.

One must as you shared Laura, in another thread and I heartily agree, Honor ones feelings, all of them. It is a part of our experience here. To judge it is well to judge it. It is a part of this experience. And how one judges is always an individual choice in this reality. It allows one to Look through and beyond the thoughts of a structured mind to the Unity that connects us all without the barriers.

Melody is a strong personality and is perfectly capable of speaking her mind on many things and the many numerous posts here will attest to this. She is not nor was not viewed as a victim by myself.  I personally would not weaken her in this way at all. Again, I own my own thoughts and am responsible for my own reflection.

Melody as has been shared here by others and myself contributed many wonderful interesting and deep, thought provoking posts. She was a willing participant. For some reason only known to Melody she chose to distract from her own posts and chose to focus on one’s personal character. Adrian’s and eventually a seemingly hierarchy’s.

Any response to her that disagreed at this point was considered a personal attack or affront. Where does it end?

We all have the ability to make our ‘God’ in our own image.

This does not mean that all sharing here will be sugared and candy coated. A true friend in Spirit not ego, will be honest in communication as in not having ulterior motives or false intentions and pseudo communication even when it is very difficult to share it. Love comes in all shapes and fashion and does not necessarily always look pretty. It takes looking through the physical mind structured barriers we have all contributed to before seeing Love’s abiding Presence there. Meeting one at the door at the level one can understand even when one says otherwise.

Only one knows what ones intentions are. There is no mind reading necessary when one is being Honest. True or Authentic Honesty is having no secrets, speaking openly as children do, and our actions matching in kind. All we are asked to do is be willing to be open to speaking our truth as vessels of Love. One defines for oneself what that means and what one believes that is, is constantly evolving and growing if one is willing to grow along with the evolving and changing. Not all choose to grow; all have the free will to resist growth by going around in circles. And so the moment arrives that the cycle of relationship transforms when all that can be learned for each one has been served.

It is up to One Self to decide what to keep and leave behind. I trust you know and sense this well Laura.

Who of us no matter how gifted we may be,  knows for another what the end results of any experience will be or how the experience will lead all to their Highest Good?

In my life experience I have grown to realize that Love Is. Leave it there Julia, stop the mind that seeks to define IT. Allow IT to be what IT IS.

I will openly share here that Adrian has created and opened this forum well knowing of the many possibilities that arise when ones are discussing their perspectives and perceptions of their own momentary beliefs and Spirituality. It’s a given. Truth is True and that does not change. You know well.

I will say that Adrian has been willing to be an example by participating in this forum and especially for Melody he exhibited a willingness to respond over and over to her constant demands for proof of his beliefs and himself personally. See for yourself. Page after page and year after year. He has a family too Laura. I deeply respect him. But this is my open and honest personal opinion. You are free as all others to disagree with me and also to observe me.

I respect and love my Brother Adrian for this and for allowing me to be present here to meet and commune with such a vast group of believers of Truth in whatever way one chooses to believe based on whatever faith one comes from. You will find the most wonderful opportunities to experience relationships here which are eternal even if they transform.

Yes, this flowed. Yes, Wave, I can hear you now.

In closing, Wave, as I have shared with you openly before, I truly do appreciate your honesty in sharing your truth of how you perceive me and I am not offended by your inability to relate to the way my expressions come through in posting in this forum. I enjoyed your last post here in this thread and I do sense your genuine Spirit expressing here. Truly.

What crossed my path recently in my calendar is I sense appropriate to end here for consideration is:

"Our anger stands in front of our love. Letting it out is part of the process of relinquishing it. The last thing you want to do --- ever --- is to buy into the insidious delusion that spiritual lives are always quiet, or always blissful."

Flowing in Love from Divine Spirit,

May it be received in the Spirit it is given,

InJoy this evening All,

Julia

[wavepsychic]

Hi Laura, I have so much on my mind from you post before I can read Julia's post I have to reply to this one first.

So, now that we have realigned the missed- understandings of the between the line – tell me did your soul jumped back to its rightful place or you ad to make an effort to fish it out?? (lol.. tease!!:P)

I am good now. I just thought you were saying he is hiding something in a way.

And just between the two of us I also love Adrian very much

Well he is single raising teenagers all by himself & you are only about 10 years younger then him. Neither of you even look that old. Sounds like a good match to me!

“If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but don't have love, I am nothing.” ~ Corinthians 13.

I understand this perfectly. I however value Adrian's wisdom much more then that of Jesus. It is always clear what he says. No False Religion can be born of it.

Hmmm the best way for me to explain how I perceive (see) time would be like this:
Imagine yourself in a very high place like the top of a building, mountain etc. and down in the valley there a stretch of a road, a highway whatever.

Now take a stretch that you can see it all at the same time. And on this stretch of the road that you can see there are cars, running.

You're view on time is very interesting. I do not believe time travel is possible and I don't think you do either. I do not believe it is a stream or line. Your example does explain why it is a moment yet we do not see it as a moment. I just do not believe we ride along on a line going into the future. Matter and Energy (which is what Matter is) do not stop existing each second to be born again out of nothing. There is only Energy and it alters itself but its always the same Energy. I hear things like "Speed of Time" "Backwards in Time" "Forwards in Time" & "Holes in Time". These can not be of something that doesn't exist. I liked your explanation of time Laura it gives us a different view of it.

PS I was just kidding about you and Adrian. If I didn't wait this long to say anything it wouldn't be funny. Actually I didn't wait at all. This post wasn't written in the order you read it!

[wavepsychic]

OK Sister Julia this post is for you.

Melody is a strong personality and is perfectly capable of speaking her mind on many things and the many numerous posts here will attest to this. She is not nor was not viewed as a victim by myself.  I personally would not weaken her in this way at all. Again, I own my own thoughts and am responsible for my own reflection.

Melody as has been shared here by others and myself contributed many wonderful interesting and deep, thought provoking posts. She was a willing participant. For some reason only known to Melody she chose to distract from her own posts and chose to focus on one’s personal character. Adrian’s and eventually a seemingly hierarchy’s.

I do not understand or wish to understand why this is. I just want to understand why she left all of the sudden? Is it to make someone feel guilty? I miss her a lot. When we feel like no one cares we for some reason decide to hurt the ones who do care. I could be wrong about Melody but I just want to know why she doesn't want to be here.

I will say that Adrian has been willing to be an example by participating in this forum and especially for Melody he exhibited a willingness to respond over and over to her constant demands for proof of his beliefs and himself personally. See for yourself. Page after page and year after year. He has a family too Laura. I deeply respect him.

When I first come on this forum it was a time when an E-mail from Adrian was very rare for me & he often said in his new letters that he gets TONS of mail. I barely check my own e-mail! The first people I saw on this form was Baki Hanma & Melody. In this one forum Adrian & Melody were going back and forth for pages! I think it was about something Religious. I was shocked she was getting so much attention. However at that time I came in here a lot & Melody was posting a lot too. We replied to the same forums a lot. I always liked Melody very much.

Yes, this flowed. Yes, Wave, I can hear you now.

In closing, Wave, as I have shared with you openly before, I truly do appreciate your honesty in sharing your truth of how you perceive me and I am not offended by your inability to relate to the way my expressions come through in posting in this forum. I enjoyed your last post here in this thread and I do sense your genuine Spirit expressing here. Truly.

I do not disagree with anything you post. I just can't read it very well. I seem to be the only one who has a problem reading what you type. Its like when you read a book from a new author you have to get used to the way they type things. If you do not know what I am talking about then you're too good of a reader. When I saw this I was like "Oh Evolution Julia when type happy again" but its all good though, I got through it. Now I have to take a brake from reading for a while.

[Mina-Laura]

Hello my dear Julia,

I really do appreciate your acknowledgement for my open sharing of anything. It is indeed a pleasure to be in a place where I can be myself especially with such wonderful people.

It is indeed a treasured thing to be able to speak your mind without the fear of being judged. At the same time it offers the opportunity to bare ourselves and brave the risk of being loved exactly for what we are. No pretence, no acting, and no facades for keeping up appearances.

I have browsed and read the forums in the past, however briefly as my other duties and responsibilities only gives me so much time for myself. After finally listening to Adrian’s request in his newsletter that we join the forum, I decided to reserve some time for this. And indeed it is a different experience to be ‘inside’. There is indeed a level of closeness that is rare and of a special kind.  (Thank you Adrian for creating this feel of a family.)

Indeed here people can freely tell of things they experience, believe in, and no matter how weird they might be, between us is all good, normal, and it feels we are at home. A family. A ‘functional’ family is a family where no matter what disagreements there might be, in the end they all know they are loved no matter what! Children might rebel, be strong headed, even say what they don’t mean in anger…yet, when they hear the truth spoken in the soft language of love, that resonates somewhere deep inside them. In time they come back, to where they can get love because love is the source for them. And love is the source for all of us.

It is humbling to see how much all of you respect and revere Adrian. And I believe Adrian enjoyed being challenged and his strength in his beliefs being put under scrutiny. And more so in plain sight and in the open.
These things never end Julia, because being Melody or anyone else they are bound to appear when one decides to lay it all on the table. 

True spiritual lives are always filled with bliss. Quiet, peaceful?... Not so much.  Alas there’s a cross to carry and is a choice we make if we carry it dancing or whining and complaining.

I read what Wave said about the way you write and I can’t help feeling with him in this (I am sorry) I have to ask you were you an English teacher or something like this? Your style reminds me of a famous Romanian author who used to write in metaphors. We had to write huge essays in school  on his writings.

Anyway I truly feel honoured that you have taken so much time to write to me specifically. You make me feel like an important character.

Blessings and love

Laura

[Mina-Laura]

Hello Louis,

Yes I do love Adrian and just as much I love you, and a lot others that I come to know and I am very lucky to be able to love so much, more so that it all comes back to me.

I know you like to joke and I am a bit of buffoon myself, … we have to be able to laugh at ourselves. I am sure when Adrian read this he won’t be upset … hmmm better yet let’s hope he never will!!! (lol).

I think Jesus also in his times was well understood by the people he communicated with. As Adrian said, in time, people made him a doctrine, put him on a pedestal that made it difficult for most to relate to his teachings… it is indeed sad to watch deeply religious people worshiping a deity that’s way above and outside.

Oh, but I totally believe in time travel and about anything else. Anything and everything is possible!
Time is interesting indeed, is linear and bending at the same time, flowing forward, backward, warping like a Moebius ribbon and believe it or not but right now as you read this you actually influence your past!!
My allegoric and simplistic representation of actual quantum instances of time viewed both from both observer and observed perspective was just a mind-bend… meant to open a different kind of vision/possibility of looking at time.  The idea is that when you find yourself at the top, or centre,  time doesn’t exist as it does for the one on a linear timeline (linear = past, present, future).

Anyway I better go and catch some sleep-time- wave now.

Love – Laura

[wavepsychic]

Hello my sister Laura, Julia got this feeling like a family now...

Oh, but I totally believe in time travel and about anything else. Anything and everything is possible!
Time is interesting indeed, is linear and bending at the same time, flowing forward, backward, warping like a Moebius ribbon and believe it or not but right now as you read this you actually influence your past!!
My allegoric and simplistic representation of actual quantum instances of time viewed both from both observer and observed perspective was just a mind-bend… meant to open a different kind of vision/possibility of looking at time.  The idea is that when you find yourself at the top, or centre,  time doesn’t exist as it does for the one on a linear timeline (linear = past, present, future).

I respect your views on time but I am still so confused on this phenomena. I do not know if I will ever be satisfied with my understanding of "Time". I got to go to bed too very soon.

[Talker]

Oh, but I totally believe in time travel and about anything else. Anything and everything is possible! Time is interesting indeed, is linear and bending at the same time, flowing forward, backward, warping like a Moebius ribbon and believe it or not but right now as you read this you actually influence your past!!
My allegoric and simplistic representation of actual quantum instances of time viewed both from both observer and observed perspective was just a mind-bend… meant to open a different kind of vision/possibility of looking at time.  The idea is that when you find yourself at the top, or centre,  time doesn’t exist as it does for the one on a linear timeline (linear = past, present, future).

Anyway I better go and catch some sleep-time- wave now. 

Love – Laura

Hello Laura and All

That you all are experiencing health and comforts to you're expectations.
Indeed this is an interesting series of posts, as are the rest posted to this forum. Time travel has long been a needle under the finger nail to me, [and others] that mangles ones thought processes. Some coherency arrived with Adrians concept of the [wheel and hub] to represent a look at the[now] and all existences being lived simultaneously. Welcome to my world of [normal insanity]. With a tad of humor now, as applies to your statement and also to my thinking ways, neither of us are sane individuals [even if all is ONE] or we would not be thinking thoughts like we are about time. So if one is not sane, they must be insane to a degree. I much prefer to call it [normal insanity] as who really knows what true sanity is all about.
Enough on that subject for now.
Some unusual tidbits here. Read way back but unable to locate the source again, that the human body is [blinking on and off]. Often wondered where one is during those [off] periods if true. Taking this a bit further with the wheel and hub concept, tied in with actually [living] other existences, a degree of [normal insanity] steps in, and starts to make some sense on how it all could take place. The Moebius ribbon simile, influencing your past, and multi-existences all happening at one time [now], takes on the aspect of [normal insanity] as I've not yet heard of a insane person talking on it. [LOL]
No offence to any, just my humorous look at difficult to comprehend concepts.
Be Well

[Mina-Laura]

Hi Talker 

So you like mind-bends eh?? …lol… The thing with ‘time’ and related and all the rest is like …’what do we know anyway?’.

See there’s a thing that doesn’t come out very clear when we address all these questions/mysteries. From what perspective do we look at it? From the human one that we are mostly aware we are or from God’s which we think, aspire, strive, to be…

I have not heard about “the human body is [blinking on and off” thing ..perhaps you might find a link at some point…

In the mean time you might like this:
http://nariphaltan.virtualave.net/time.pdf

chers,

love - Laura

[juliainkc]

Hello Wave and All ~

Posted by: wavepsychic

I do not understand or wish to understand why this is. I just want to understand why she left all of the sudden? Is it to make someone feel guilty? I miss her a lot. When we feel like no one cares we for some reason decide to hurt the ones who do care. I could be wrong about Melody but I just want to know why she doesn't want to be here.

Only Melody knows Wave. There have been times when I removed myself from situations that seem to be going nowhere. A time out so to speak when going around in circles. Time to be alone or all one, gather oneself together. Gain new ground, experience or perspective in another way.

People responding to another even if it feels to one like no one cares, is actually showing that ones do care enough to respond in my way of seeing. People who don't care about another usually don't respond as they have no interest in the person, subject or have nothing to say about it. Many variables. It is what it is.

I wouldn't take it personally Wave in regards to Adrian responding to emails. He does get alot of them as he shared here in another post. Thousands, and he shared that he really spends most of his time answering them to the degree or nature of the email.

I understand you liked Melody very much Wave. I think it is wonderful that both your personalities clicked and it showed in your posts to one another.

I do not disagree with anything you post. I just can't read it very well. I seem to be the only one who has a problem reading what you type. Its like when you read a book from a new author you have to get used to the way they type things. If you do not know what I am talking about then you're too good of a reader. When I saw this I was like "Oh Evolution Julia when type happy again" but its all good though, I got through it. Now I have to take a brake from reading for a while.

Thank you for sharing a laugh with me here. Truly. Now Wave you can see that you are not the only one who feels this way. It's like anything else. What some accept as art is not art to another and so on.  Or perhaps it's my speaking backwards thing. Again, it is what it is.

And one never knows. Melody may return and share her journey here with us when she senses to do so. She is an interesting person with great ideas and very resourceful in the information she generously shared here. Wherever she is I ask that she be blessed and that she would know her Source of Love by experiencing peace. To her Highest Good.

Love to you Wave ~

Your sister in the Divine Spirit of Love,

Julia

[juliainkc]

Good Evening Dear Laura ~

True spiritual lives are always filled with bliss. Quiet, peaceful?... Not so much.  Alas there’s a cross to carry and is a choice we make if we carry it dancing or whining and complaining.

I will say I truly agree about the quiet and peaceful as I have a house full of children. I do understand what you are sharing about the bliss beyond the life situations that may be going on.

I read what Wave said about the way you write and I can’t help feeling with him in this (I am sorry) I have to ask you were you an English teacher or something like this? Your style reminds me of a famous Romanian author who used to write in metaphors. We had to write huge essays in school  on his writings.

Anyway I truly feel honoured that you have taken so much time to write to me specifically. You make me feel like an important character.

Laura, as I shared with Wave, it is what it is and I can relate with your feeling in regards to ones style of writing expression and ones ability to easily or not easily read it. We are all here to express in our own unique way with other unique expressions.

  I am not nor was an English teacher. Perhaps another incarnation coming through. Actually, I was involved in Service Industries and experienced and InJoyed alot of one on one with other beings. As a former hairstylist, it really was an education in understanding human beings in observing their thought processes, acting them out and listening to them share the results. I was privy to alot of deep and hidden feelings that ones do not feel they can share with the ones closest to them.

I started out by cutting and styling childrens hair. Wonderfully rewarding experience and very humorously Interesting. If only their parents knew what they shared with me. Not to mention the interesting range of personalities and characters I worked around. This experience was very foundational for me when I owned and operated my own Garden Landscape Design Company. People are interesting and really desire the same thing all over the world. Love and Acceptance underneath all the guises.

I have shared before that when I come into the forums I really have no particular intention of writing, I open myself to and follow the Inner Spirit or Sensor's leading and share when this stream of Energy comes through, it showed up here in my responding to you more this last posting.

You are equally important here as are all of us. We are all in this together and I truly believe this.

Character? It seems to me we are all characters here!

I appreciate your sharing your wonderful contributions Laura.

InJoy this evening,

Love in Divine Spirit,

Julia