Reincarnation Related Posts.

[vorith]

 Forgot to mention something which deserves a thread itself. Advanced inner workers aside (are they into charity? does that really matter?), I think most folks "cycle" between these inner planes. I may wallow/be effected by the "lower astral", at times. Other times, when in devotional modes, I feel I'm "there" as it were; a higher plane. This is also reflected in dreams. Some dreams I'm nearing a mountain peak, others, sliding down into a black muck. Odd thing is, as mentioned, I really don't do much besides work/maint and a bit of free time for this stuff.... 
 I've even said to myself at those times of equilibrium, "ah, I'm ready to go, let's die now". But no, we are here to serve the system.
 I tread lightly of course and am fully grateful for being intact, physically anyway. But I think the adage "things aren't as they seem" apply here as well.
 

[Wave Of Love]

Dear Jake. Many people the world over has had experiences with Extra Terrestrial Beings many of which were bad experiences. Too tell these trama victims that no ET's visit us or think they are crazy is as rude as someone thinking your crazy for channeling. Not only do these people from all over the world agree on the appearance of the ET's but they also agree on why they are coming. Some of these people are from very poor countries who never seen a Sci-Fi movie. The reason they come is to do some kind of Genetic experimentation.

You claim we humans are the least Evolved among the races? My thoughts on the theory of evolution not withstanding I must call into question your use of the word Evolution. we humans are very different individually, many of us are not "Spiritually Evolved" but many of us are VERY Evolved even though we still live here. Yes it is true that the most Evolved beings can go deeper into the Universe but just because someone is not deep in the Universe does not mean they are not Spiritually Evolved. We can not compare our Evolution to Aliens that we know little about. Not only that but if you don't believe Aliens visited then how are you so sure the exist and are more evolved?

In closing we human beings are VERY Evolved and there is no reason why Highly Evolved beings can't enjoy living on Mother Earth! We humans are just brain washed because our minds are so weak and divided we are easily controlled. However we humans are already Enlightened! The challenge is too let go of our programing not hurry to Enlightenment and wait to die.

[Leo]

Dear Wavepsychic,  First of all let me copy and paste a little something from Wikipedia: Mainstream scientists and mental health professionals overwhelmingly doubt that the phenomenon occurs literally as reported and instead attribute the experiences to "[d]eception, suggestibility (fantasy-proneness, hypnotizability, false-memory syndrome), personality, sleep phenomena, psychopathology, psychodynamics [and] environmental factors."[4]. Skeptic Robert Sheaffer also sees similarity between the aliens depicted in early science fiction films, in particular, Invaders From Mars, and those reported to have actually abducted people.[5] The first alien abduction claim to be widely publicized was the Betty and Barney Hill abduction in 1961.[6] Reports of the abduction phenomenon have been made around the world, but are most common in English speaking countries, especially the United States.[5] The contents of the abduction narrative often seem to vary with the home culture of the alleged abductee.[5] Alien abductions have been the subject of conspiracy theories and of popular science fiction works such as The X-Files.

Now, while I find it to be a bit over the top, I've never experienced it and my spiritual information says no. So???

[Leo]

cont'd I also understand that channeling is also not totally accepted either, to be fair here is a negative aspect, also from Wikipedia:  While advocates of mediumship claim that their experiences are genuine, the Encyclopædia Britannica article on spiritualism notes that "...one by one, the Spiritualist mediums were discovered to be engaged in fraud, sometimes employing the techniques of stage magicians in their attempts to convince people of their clairvoyant powers." The article also notes that "the exposure of widespread fraud within the spiritualist movement severely damaged its reputation and pushed it to the fringes of society in the United States."[26]

In 1976, M. Lamar Keene, a medium in Florida and at the Spiritualist Camp Chesterfield in Indiana, confessed in his book The Psychic Mafia, to defrauding the public. Keene detailed a multitude of common techniques utilized by mediums to conjure spirits.[27]

However, all of that being said, I have actually been involved in channeling. I am convinced because I spoke to my parents (passed on several years ago) They spoke of things that only I would would know. Good enough for me. There is no way my wife would know these things, as I hadn't thought of those things for many years. As far as evolving is concerened, I was told that we are the least evoloved species in the universe. We are only about half way into becoming. So, if we are only half way, we have a long way to go. That is exactly why I don't believe anything is going to happen in 2012. Perhaps a shift in consciousness but thats only because enough people will believe it to be true. Read Seth's book on "The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events" One needs to be aware of the Law of Attraction as well as the Law of Cause and Effect. Two of the laws of the universe. I am not here to tell you what to believe, not my thing, just to share information that I have gleened from the spiritual Masters. By the way, my spiritual advisor has told me that nothing out of the ordinary will occur in 2012. Unless we think it into existence. If you resonate with what I have spoken ok, if not thats ok too.
Namaste
Jake

[Wave Of Love]

Maybe the reason that each individual explains the abduction relative to there culture and upbringing is because they simply can not explain it any other way. I am saying that no mater what they are explaining it's going to be explained from there point of understanding. A school of kids in Africa reported seeing a ship come down from the sky and a man came out of it. They all drew pictures and what they came up with was a "gray". These kids NEVER seen a Sci-Fi film and never heard of the famous Barney Hill case. They also explained that the "gray" talked to them with his EYES. Since these kinds never heard of telepathy either they wouldn't say that the "gray" talked to them with telepathy or psychic power so they had to say he talked too them with his eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msSpu_z8WG8

I don't know what you've been told but MOST if not all Hypnotherapist do believe in Extra Terrestrials. Also in some of the famous Abductions include people remembering seeing there friends while in this abduction state. There friends later also remember being abducted. You claim that Channeling is legit (and I'm not saying that it is not) because your parents told you stuff during the channeling that only you would know and you already knew in the first place? Yet when Betty Hill drew a map of a distant star system that was later discovered you don't find that to be evidence? But of course you're a freemason and all free masons MUST absolutely MUST deny the existence of Extra Terrestrials.

[Leo]

Wave, I certainly do not deny the existence of beings from other realities and have been told that other intelligent beings exist within the universe. It's only the abductions that I am uncertain about. I also agree that there have been "visits". Anymore than that is questionable. We will just have to disagree on abductions/channeling. No problem
Namaste
Jake

[Wave Of Love]

okay I'll go with that. Since there isn't much proof. Well there isn't much proof of anything for that matter but that's a different topic.

[Leo]

 Einstein said that "Reality is an illusion, albeit a rather persistant one" but like you said another topic.

[vorith]

 If there was someone under assault and I did nothing to help would I incur some karma for that?

[Talker]

Leo
Re: Reincarnation Related Posts.
« Reply #288 on: July 11, 2010, 09:19:45 »

Read Seth's book on "The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events" One needs to be aware of the Law of Attraction as well as the Law of Cause and Effect.

Hello Leo and All,
Not in the Seth material, but related, is a read, regards 'the holocaust and the Law of Attraction'.

Rare is it, that any L.O.A. presenter will address the 'the holocaust and the Law of Attraction' issue, if raised as a question. If addressed at all, is only to say 'we must not focus on the negative'.

Using information from "The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events", greatly assists in gaining a modicum of understanding the basis/reason of the holocaust event.

For any that has not delved into 'out of the box' research/reading, I readily understand why most would/could just not believe any of the reasons it took place, and especially as regards the L.O.A. and the 'Law of Cause and Effect'.

Some issues are just plain mind twisters, and as I often mention, 'need to let this jell' until further comprehension set in.
Ne Well

[Talker]

If there was someone under assault and I did nothing to help would I incur some karma for that?

Hello vorith and All,

Ah, another 'mind twister' to ponder. No easy answer here as so much depends on actual circumstances.

Each and every instance would be based on many variables. So an answer to the posed question is going to sound like a cop out, but the answer is both 'yes and no'. Would actually require a whole book to even explain that issue and make sense of it.
Will only say 'how would/did you feel about it!'.
Some times one takes on unwarranted guilt. Try as one will, not all dire situations can be safely corrected. Although some act spontaneously and survive, others have perished in the process. Karma!
So will just have to say 'I don't know'.
Be Well

[juliainkc]

 If there was someone under assault and I did nothing to help would I incur some karma for that?

Someone is being assaulted as we write here in the forums somewhere on this planet and so are we being affected by it as a whole community?

I will say that to come upon an assault taking place, ones have been known to assist the initiator of the assault from the one attempting to self preserve. In other words it is easy to misjudge a situation without knowing the whole story... and I am not condoning the assaulting of another, this is where the subjects we speak of in here come into play regarding one's underlying river of thoughts, are they living from a polluted river or a clean one ... outward behaviours reveal much ...

I have yelled knock it off or take it somewhere else and jumped in in moments ... yup ... and experienced being hit by the assaulter too from jumping in ...

this happening from a place of spontaneous motion and not so much 'thinking' about it.

Trust your intuitive instincts and they will say when to proceed or not in situations such as this ...

Fight or flight syndrome comes to mind here ~

just skipping river stones across the water ...

 





 

[vorith]

 Just wanted to see what would come back. Here's what I really meant; in paying our taxes, we basically fund (however indirectly) all sorts of black ops and genocidal policies around the world. Some call it national karma...
 ...ironically of course, some of this stuff is used on us!

 As for channeling etc. I've done a lot of dextromethorphan, which gets things going as much as shrooms. I can say that the visions of entities I get are uncannily Autonomous. What is neat is that the apparel of these "folks" is beyond my imagination. The (dated) garb and (facial etc) features have that archetypal/god/ess like look to them.
 I can't tell if I'm making contact with land spirits etc. or it's simply my right brain forming images for left brain cogitations. Probably the latter in most cases. If I try to interact with the image directly it basically fades.
 However, if I do some other mind tricks something usually manifests in the local environs as some in your face synchronicity.

 I think this is direct evidence of a higher self. Mayhaps not The Higher Self but something greater than my daily ego mind. An organic field of interacting consciousness.....

 I also find the birds tune into this stuff. I could write a short book on my experiences with birds and altered states.