Reincarnation Related Posts.

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Tessa,

What I don't understand however, is if someone commits suicide the higher-self has to send a new life to the world to gain the experiences lost . . . . if this is the case, how is it possible if all the lives are sent at the same time and live concurrently??

Tessa

The 'center' has no time restriction. It is always in the eternal now. Unlike ourselves in this timeline it knows concomitantly all lives, start and end, years ago, present etc. this is very simplistic but you can imagine a supercomputer that oversees the stoplights in a city. It doesn't matter which route I might take with my car, at what time of the day or night... I have to stop at red. On the same token the supercomputer knows which routes are supercongested (there are special sensors underground) and which perpendicular at intersections are not and divert the flow where needed, or change red into green for those cars to flow.

Now you can imagine aspects of Higher self like cars equipped with web-cams. And it doesn't matter how long it takes the higher Self must get a true recording, images of all City in order to construct an accurate 3D image. In the Eternal Now when in HigherSelf awareness you may decide to send an aspect of yourself to a route/lane that was not done yet and that will add to knowledge.
It becomes even more complex and Mind bending as is all dynamic, i.e. on this street person X walks now but 10 years ago the same person was in a stroller, now imagine those cars getting an accurate recording on this person timeline, then bend your Mind even more and think about ALL of us...

However you have to keep in mind that being able to understand and gain knowledge about all these is only one way back to the source. The most direct and easy way is 'love'. Unconditional love. A consequence of this automatically comes 'service' to others, to self.. as in spending your life being at service.
When I learned this my Mind come automatically at rest as I knew that ultimately in this lifetime it would practically be impossible for me to get it all, and yet still have a chance.

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/wheels-of-life-part-1-reincarnation.html



love - Laura

[RedIndie]

Dear Laura & Tessa,

Thanks a lot for the posting. It did spark me to think in a different way, like explained by you guys......now i feel that i am able to move out that question which has always been bothering me...i really appreciate the time taken......thanks again....

BTW Laura...thanks for d compliment on my moniker...

---indie---

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Talker,

Hi Laura,
Interesting how wild and far out some thoughts can be. When to close a write when posting, is problematic at times. Numerous threads of thought were still floating in and out when I decided to stop the write. So for my own use, at this point, am writing out a continuation of those threads of thought. Want to see if there was a reason for that original thought surfacing. Will, say here, as regards your post, the threads I mention, are along your theme of thought. Will let it all jell for a few days.
Be Well

Have you made any progress ?    

Have you thought that perhaps that we all are spokes on the same wheel?

love - Laura

[Talker]

Have you made any progress ?   

Have you thought that perhaps that we all are spokes on the same wheel?

love - Laura

Hi Laura,
We are in this topic all by our lonesome, More may show up.
To avoid any misunderstanding, let me just say these are only thoughts expressed. Reaching a point of comprehension to any degree, when the incomprehensible is being scrutinized thought wise, can be difficult. I endeavor to find similes that assist me in gaining a perspective of the concept involved. Not a perfect way of doing things of this nature, yet it does yield (for me) a clearer understanding of (how it might be). Going to be a wild tale.
Using the wheel, rim and spokes as a starting place, here is my 'normal insanity' restorer.Yes, do believe we are all spokes on the same wheel.
God/Source is the main hub.
So here we have approximately 6.7 billion (known) souls, as the main spokes in the wheel.(for this example, will stay with human souls, leaving out, other life forms) Here now, it commences to strain logical understanding.
It is all happening simultaneously, (NOW).
Will use 'Talker' as the spoke for this story.
Source, radiates the High Soul (spoke) known as (Talker). (or whom ever it belongs to, will stay with Talker though for this write)
Now enters another phase and question.
How many "lessor' souls (would or could) be involved with Talkers "High Self" soul!
Here arrives a tie-in with astrology, to make sense of the whole complex scenario. The bible mentions events that reflect astrological involvement. The word 'mazzaroth' came into my awareness (nothing happens by accident, right) and off I was to research it out. Reading through this 'mazzaroth' material gave a possable answer to my decades past question 'why and how' did astrology, as we know it, come into being. This 'mazzaroth' material was somewhat an 'ahaa' to numerous questions regards astrology. In some manner, some one figured out that at least twelve (12), (may, in actuality be 13) specific sets of experiences were required to fully learn what was required to master the human life experience, once we left the Source as
individualized souls, while keeping all the characteristics of Source. To keep the melodrama real in human terms and experiences, meant that 'we must not be aware of our Source connection', consciously. We must/need, to reawaken that Source connection, through the Ego awareness of having left source, and with our freewill choice, to return back to Source.
So back to the story.
We now have (as I perceive it) Talkers 'High-Self', (main spoke) with twelve (12) lessor souls, (spokes) as part of the 'Wheel of Life', experiencing events.
Now, Talker wants to accelerate the experiences, so other  'lessor souls' are created, and sent off to experience, the  'Wheel of Life' events, as more, 'males and females with various nationalities, and physical conditions.
So far, for this story, there is the 'High-Self' soul, with 'twelve (12)' basic Souls in action experiencing the 'NOW' (plus) however many more lessor souls were created and sent out to experience events.
 As far fetched as it may seem, any number of forum members, could be a 'lessor soul' of Talkers 'High-Self' expressing. The term 'lessor soul' is not meant to be used as a derogatory or inferior meaning, and perhaps I should use the term 'other of my own creation souls'. It could/may well be, that I as Talker, am an extension of any forum members 'High-Self' , or elsewhere in the universe. I did mention 'Going to be a wild tale' and so it is. Lends credence to the often heard phrases, 'know thyself, (and) who are you'. If any part of my story approaches the Reality of our Souls journey, I'm unable to answer, just endeavoring to further understand how it might be real.
What are your thoughts!
Be Well
 
http://thetalker.org/archives/235/4-mazzaroth-babbler-and-the-talker/

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Talker,


I have to read more about this 'mazzaroth' material - you really piqued at my interest. I actually can't believe that I used to be bored in the past.


love - Laura

[juliainkc]

Hi Talker, Laura and All,

Hi Laura,
We are in this topic all by our lonesome, More may show up.

Not so my friends! Just been viewing this one as it rises up. Back burner kind of thing ...

To avoid any misunderstanding, let me just say these are only thoughts expressed. Reaching a point of comprehension to any degree, when the incomprehensible is being scrutinized thought wise, can be difficult. I endeavor to find similes that assist me in gaining a perspective of the concept involved. Not a perfect way of doing things of this nature, yet it does yield (for me) a clearer understanding of (how it might be). Going to be a wild tale.


Using the wheel, rim and spokes as a starting place, here is my 'normal insanity' restorer.Yes, do believe we are all spokes on the same wheel.

God/Source is the main hub.

So here we have approximately 6.7 billion (known) souls, as the main spokes in the wheel.(for this example, will stay with human souls, leaving out, other life forms) Here now, it commences to strain logical understanding.

It is all happening simultaneously, (NOW).

This 'mazzaroth' material was somewhat an 'ahaa' to numerous questions regards astrology. In some manner, some one figured out that at least twelve (12), (may, in actuality be 13) specific sets of experiences were required to fully learn what was required to master the human life experience, once we left the Source as
individualized souls, while keeping all the characteristics of Source. To keep the melodrama real in human terms and experiences, meant that 'we must not be aware of our Source connection', consciously. We must/need, to reawaken that Source connection, through the Ego awareness of having left source, and with our freewill choice, to return back to Source.

We now have (as I perceive it) Talkers 'High-Self', (main spoke) with twelve (12) lessor souls, (spokes) as part of the 'Wheel of Life', experiencing events.

Now, Talker wants to accelerate the experiences, so other  'lessor souls' are created, and sent off to experience, the  'Wheel of Life' events, as more, 'males and females with various nationalities, and physical conditions.
So far, for this story, there is the 'High-Self' soul, with 'twelve (12)' basic Souls in action experiencing the 'NOW' (plus) however many more lessor souls were created and sent out to experience events.

As far fetched as it may seem, any number of forum members, could be a 'lessor soul' of Talkers 'High-Self' expressing. The term 'lessor soul' is not meant to be used as a derogatory or inferior meaning, and perhaps I should use the term 'other of my own creation souls'. It could/may well be, that I as Talker, am an extension of any forum members 'High-Self' , or elsewhere in the universe.

What are your thoughts!
Be Well
 
http://thetalker.org/archives/235/4-mazzaroth-babbler-and-the-talker/

I really InJoyed reading your deep and Insightful thoughts Talker and thank you always for sharing the bounty of your experience.

Makes for an interestingly flowing crazy wild ride. The fun is a perk. Namaste.

I am not a wizard at math. So I tend towards simple math. KISSweetie pie. I prefer multiplying to addition. 6.7 billion (and more) times 1 = how big my 'God' is at this moment kind of thing.

I'm still progressing through the processing and calling out as I move along ...

I love you All for Being here,

Julia

[Skyalmian]

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I meandered across this earlier...: http://davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=470800&postcount=2

Progression of Incarnations

Low incarnations are those when the spirit is totally body ruled. The Higher Self chooses all genders and sexual orientations for the experiences of just being them. The Higher Self sets very few parameters for these basic incarnations. As with Monroe's incarnations, some of his stated low levels were to be born in the US (early 20th century), as a woman (Africa), and as an aggressive man (warrior). Time, as you can see from this, was of no consequence.

Low incarnations are just this - basic experiences. As basic experiences add to the Higher Self's experience pool, the parameters are increased. No longer is it sufficient JUST to be born in a certain location or gender, the desire is for even more set experiences. Breeding is rampant in low and mid-level incarnations. This is part of the process. Low incarnations are self-oriented and surrender to 3rd density 'higher authorities'. Religion becomes the opiate of the masses during low incarnations due to fears of non-existent, but believed-to-be-existent deities. Polarities (Light & Dark) pull for allegiances here. Low levels tend to be the foot soldiers of polarities.

Mid-level incarnations become more involved. Society's demands are significant to this level. Conformity sets in. Self-oriented is blended in with society demands. Mid-level is very concerned with others' opinions. Mid-levels seek conformity. Religious conformity is continued due to traditions more than blind fear belief. Mid-levels love to say how they keep up religious traditions. Fear of non-existent deities still continues, but more on the surface than deeply held. Even though in twilight years, mid-levels return to religion strongly, it's to hedge bets on what might follow impending incarnational ending. Mid-levels tend to thrive on restrictions and traditions. Many, in this era, long for the 1950's, an illusionary period of tradition. Southern states white Americans, however, long for the 1850's!

When the Higher Self tires of the boring routine of mid-level incarnations (this WILL happen as the Higher Self is easily bored), and the spirit strains against the alien DNA commands in the physical body, there is a pull to explore the psychic and other densities. This is far easier to ease into by choosing a series of female incarnations for this transition since the psychic left brain is most active in a female body. The female experiences into the psychic world allow the spirit to RE-familiarize shimself with the REAL you and the REAL worlds of higher densities. After becoming familiar with aspects of the psychic, the Higher Self will insist on using the more powerful male incarnations.

This may start out as gay incarnations since in gay bodies, certain alien DNA commands are shorted out and allow left brain to function equal with right. Once an advanced enough spirit is comfortable, male bodies are incarnated into advanced states.

After this, the Higher Self will choose incarnations for shimself, not based on gender, but on a growing list of parameters. Traditional religions are discarded with advancement. Spiritual religions have their pull - wicca, for example. As the spirit advances, though, shim realizes that NO religion will do as they are all artificial controls that give away power to non-existent gods/goddesses. When this is realized and firmly grasped, the incarnation moves into Very Advanced states.

Dominant incarnations (every Higher Self has 3 or 4 of them) are always Advanced incarnations, usually Very Advanced. The Higher Self sets these incarnations for specific purposes to bring certain traits into the Final Incarnation. Dominant incarnations have limited access to the Higher Self AND do meet in the Higher Self in order to compose the Final Incarnation. If a Dominant incarnation is very psychic oriented, this incarnation will have much input. With a minimally psychic Dominant incarnation, the concern is not so great to that incarnation since shim knows what input the incarnation has that the Final needs and will be given. Dominant incarnations will carefully watch over the Final Incarnation until the Final becomes Awakened to who shim is. Once the Awakening has occurred, the Dominants have finished their prime purposes.

Final Incarnations are the “omega” of 3rd density experiences. Finals have total access to all of the Higher Self's incarnations. Remember, ALL incarnations of that individual Higher Self are YOU - Low, mid and Advanced incarnations are all you at different stages. These personalities are never lost. You do grow out of them, however. By the time you've reached Final Incarnation, your thoughts are constantly drawn to what is to come as you know you are wrapping up a LONG process here in 3rd density.

When the Final incarnation is finished, all incarnations from all time periods are simultaneously ended and their energies are pulled back into the Higher Self. The only one that remains active is the unique Final Incarnation.

Once complete within the Higher Self, the improved, educated, experienced you moves to new experiences and VASTLY new locations. The journey of hundreds and hundreds of incarnations is over, BUT a new journey begins that will make the former one pale in comparison!

This piece has nut-shelled the incarnational transitions. Note that there is MUCH more to the process than I've given you. Note also that your Higher Self decides your Path and plan. You should not judge yourself based on the progress or assumed progress of others. This is not a competition nor a race. Everyone will 'win'. Everyone will succeed. Be happy being you!

Interesting; feels true.

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Skyalmian,

I appreciate you re-posting this as this was the one I was requesting from you earlier.

Thank you very much,

Sending Love and appreciation your way,

Julia

[Talker]

Greetings All,
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This will, we believe, greatly enhance the sharing of experiences and getting answers to questions asked.
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[Larry]

There is not one person that can prove in any way that reincarnation is real. It's not just me. Common Source sense Tell's you, that source doe's not require you to have multiple life experiences.  There are no REAL voices telling anyone that reincarnation is real. There are no Greater or lesser soul's anywhere or on any plane or dimension. WE are all children of Source. If you think that your higher self or some other entity is giving you a message to give to the world, you are dead wrong. Tell me why Source would talk to you about me. Get real, grow up, and quit trying to sell a lie.  ---- I say this with a degree of love.  Larry

[Talker]

There is not one person that can prove in any way that reincarnation is real. It's not just me. Common Source sense Tell's you, that source doe's not require you to have multiple life experiences.  There are no REAL voices telling anyone that reincarnation is real. There are no Greater or lesser soul's anywhere or on any plane or dimension. WE are all children of Source. If you think that your higher self or some other entity is giving you a message to give to the world, you are dead wrong. Tell me why Source would talk to you about me. Get real, grow up, and quit trying to sell a lie.  ---- I say this with a degree of love.  Larry

Hi silvermudflaps,
Not going to go into the 'yes or no' aspect of  reincarnation, but a point at issue would be your comment of 'Common Source sense Tell's you, that source doe's not require you to have multiple life experiences'.

Source is not asking any one to do anything. We did it all by our own choices. Of course I'm not able to validate anything I say here.
So here is my take on the situation.
At one point in time, in some way, we flew the coop to experience the physical.  When we left the coop, we were perfect in every way. Once in the physical flesh, this soul/person noticed that another soul/person had  three horses. So in some way, a thought enterred the soul/person to question why he had only one horse instead of three! With a bit of thinking this soul/person decided to 'take' one of the three horses for his use.(he stole a horse) A short time later the horse stealing soul/person died, and this soul/spirit, no longer in the physical flesh, headed for home. upon reaching the front door of home (that he left much earliar) he found the door locked. So he knocks on the door, and says 'let me in, I'm back'. A voice answers back 'heck soul/spirit, look at all the dirt you got covering you since you left, cant let you back in, until you go clean up'. So a little ticked off, soul/spirit decides to return to the physical realm again. Once there and a bit grown up now, he does a few nice things, and in an accident, gets killed. Back in spirit again, he gets back to home and knocks on the front saying door 'I'm back'. Same voice responds with 'sure enough you are, but you still don't look like when you first left, go clean up, come back when your ready and cleaned up'.

So here I am, relating to you, some of the scenarios I played with years ago in trying to understand reincarnation. Overly simplified I know, but researching information to validate something like this, sure isn't easy. No offense, just wanting you to know, some of my 'normal insanity' thinking ways, in issues of this nature. And the journey continues.
Be Well

[knucklebrain]

Ok experts. What if one does not want to reincarnate. I don't feel I have anything left to learn on this planet. I feel I'm far too advanced to be here in the first place. Also, what's the joy in loving your wife and kids if you just die, your brain gets erased and your put back here again with no memory once again. These so called masters are not going to do this to me again. They can just dissipate my soul if that's going to be the case.

[Larry]

Dear Talker, we seem to have two different scenarios about our creation and return to Source. Mine is that Source created us so that He could experience what it is to be in the flesh. We are his first born. His children. As children in the flesh we were too young to remember that we are Him. Along comes power and money. Power and control. After all the years we are now starting to remember Who We Are. From the beginning of time until now, there have been many generations of people, all the way to us. We are given one life to live and that is it. In Source's eye's we can not sin. We are perfect. You can not kill Source. You can not make Source repeat life over and over until He gets it right.               Hey knucklebrain, I'm in your corner. If we have to do it again, we will dissipate together.  There are people that need to use their Source sense.    Larry

[Talker]

Dear Talker, we seem to have two different scenarios about our creation and return to Source. Mine is that Source created us so that He could experience what it is to be in the flesh. We are his first born. His children. As children in the flesh we were too young to remember that we are Him. Along comes power and money. Power and control. After all the years we are now starting to remember Who We Are. From the beginning of time until now, there have been many generations of people, all the way to us. We are given one life to live and that is it. In Source's eye's we can not sin. We are perfect. You can not kill Source. You can not make Source repeat life over and over until He gets it right.               Hey knucklebrain, I'm in your corner. If we have to do it again, we will dissipate together.  There are people that need to use their Source sense.    Larry

Hi silvermudflaps,
Is what makes life so interesting and enjoyable. Being able to express points of view and talk on it. Some of my humor creeps into my posts at times.

In Source's eye's we can not sin. We are perfect

We agree here. Source is experiencing, while we are the physical expression of Source doing the adventure. Endeavoring to understand the 'no separation' aspect and explaining it in words is the difficult part.
Anyway, when one learns to 'return the stolen horse', is when the learning curve of life, is less steep.
Be Well

[Larry]

Hi Talker, right back at you. It seems that the learning curve has to start back around the time of the alleged stolen horse. All things being equal, why would one Godling have three horses and one have one? In order for our defendant to want to steal, he would have to be under the illusion that he was short one horse. Have you ever noticed that little baby chicks hatched away from their mother will think that the first being they see, is their mother? Well the same thing happend to us. The lack of awareness of being Source would cause one to feel the overwhelming sense of need. So memory loss seems to be the culprit. So, using you're scenario, Source says, O.K., you were a bad bad boy. You will have to die some horrible death of the flesh and try it again. You will have to do it again and again, until you get it right. Us being baby's and not realizing that we were Sourcelings, believed the lie that we were in a world of want. With the unrealized power invested in us, we used the power to die till you get it right plan. It seems to me ,Talker, that you are still under that influence. The old guilt plan. If you can make someone feel guilty, you have control of them. Control, power,and money. Talker look around you, do you have, something to sell?       Larry