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« on: January 17, 2009, 22:29:55 » |
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Hi
I have asked these question elsewhere but I still want to know more/better answer. I think "Our Ultimate Reality Forum" is another perfect place to ask these questions.
You Shall Know The Truth, And The Truth Shall Set You Free
1. What Is The Truth?
2. How Does/Can The Truth Set You Free?
3. How To Apply The Truth?
Thank you. =)
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« Last Edit: January 17, 2009, 22:32:27 by Archangel Michael »
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juliainkc
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2009, 00:14:53 » |
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Hi Archangel Michael,
For myself, speaking only from drinking the depths of the cup of my experience, I would say to myself of this 'quest -ion';
Truth is in the pen.
Your physical expressions (creativity) is the result of your Inner Truth.
I sense a "Harold and the Purple Crayon" Energy ...
Love to you and All,
Julia
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2009, 15:10:57 » |
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Hi All,
We ask what is Truth? Truth is revealed in everything.
I vibed with these sayings and am openly sharing them with all;
'If enlightenment is not where you are standing, where will you look?' ~ Zen saying ~
"Genuine beginnings begin within us, even when they are brought to our attention by external opportunities." ~ William Bridges ~
"Losing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth." ~ Ludwig Borne ~
and with these shared;
"Sayings remain meaningless unless they are embodied in habits." ~ Kahlil Gibran ~
Love to All,
Julia
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2009, 17:50:10 » |
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truth must be the mystical state of gnosis
transcending the logos to access the universe in a form of direct knowing and seeing
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2009, 14:09:25 » |
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Dear Michael, The questions you've asked are great questions indeed, but are much more complex than the simplicity of the sentence in which you ask. These are questions that man has been asking at least as far back as Socrates and Plato. These questions are also what have inspired the wonderful fields of philosophy, ethics, theology, and even religion. The 'truth' is an ever elusive term indeed and one can't help but feel the overbearing subjective debate that might pursue. However I will spare you from this, as I'm assuming in the manner of your post that you are already aware of those. When I was younger I swore to dedicate my life to 'truth,' and along with this truth must come great knowledge. I may have overstepped by personal capabilities in accepting this motto, but it is one that I feel many people struggle with. Since taking up my quest to not only inform myself but others of the world in which we live in, I have realized that I've spent way more time telling people what is 'not truth' than what actually is. Truth is intangible and perhaps it will ever elude us, but by narrowing the search one can hopefully become closer to that one defining answer. Yet it is foolish that I in my short life span would be able to come up with the answer that has eluded mankind for eras. Our scientific reasoning is flawed, but I will say that truth is what is as much as what is not, and there may be no definitive truth at all. If a person is in a car accident and has to be hospitalized. Lets say that the doctors have declared this individual unstable, and unlikely to ever recover. The nurse repeatedly asks the family if they wish to pull the plug and the family refuses. The family prayers to Jesus and to God to spare their child, husband, father - etc. This man then fully recovers from injuries that the doctors say could not be overcome. Does that not indeed prove the existence of the Judeo-Christian God? Then you have some one of my caliber who steps forward and explains to the family how the bible was made up and is nothing more than a fictitious story of morality. My 'truth' is painstakingly researched and meticulously designed, their 'truth' is no more than subconscious faith. So who is telling the 'truth?' Or is there somewhere in between both of our claims that truth presides in? Perhaps a psychodrama which quantum physics is ever closer to explaining, and yet, psychodrama may demystify the means in which a 'miracle' is come by, but a miracle has happened none-the-less hasn't it? So once again, what is the truth?
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2009, 05:48:44 » |
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Hello All,
I have mused over this question for quite a while and in my endeavour to answer it I have really agonised to come to its meaning.
I shall not claim that my answer is the truth for I believe TRUTH is subjective but in its subjectivity, it is ONE. To explain this, I want to give an example of a woman, her husband, and their child at a seating. When each asks how each relates to the other, there is a different relationship (a husband to the wife, a wife to the husband, a father and mother to the child) and the impression in each individual is different, yet the person being considered is the same.
Truth is the divinity within. It is the fact that each individual is a piece of God. When one comes to the realisation that God is within, and that one has the potential to overcome all, then all the fear, drama, anxiety and worry vanish - one is set free.
Like I mentioned above, truth is subjective and each individual's perception of divinity within is peculiar to that individual, yet God is ONE!
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2009, 10:25:09 » |
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Dear All, There is one truth and only. That what you experience is a direct projection of your mind. (For us at this physical level) Change your Mind - change your experience. (For a complete understanding of the Mind Spheres read Adrian's recent newsletter). In turn of each and every one of us is the projection of individual minds then collective minds. To make things more complicated The Matrix is coordinated at a higher level of consciousness, that's why for everybody 'how the experience is perceived' is different. We may think that each and everyone of us 'sees' the same thing - that is no so. That's why is so important that 'before' you come to any conclusion or opinion to try to walk in someones else's shoes. All in all that is next to impossible as we cannot possibly know 'the movie' that plays at individual level. The only way out of this is through unconditional love - supreme understanding. That's why is very important that no matter what you must make an effort to keep yourself in good vibrations of love, positivity, optimism. We are like in a game.  The 'program' will test you/ challenge you, the only way you can built credit is by accumulating the 'good vibrations' curency. This is the only way you can win the game and began to be able to control The Matrix from within, and in turn create that which you want and not what's imposed upon yourself. love
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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2009, 13:09:04 » |
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Hello to All, Great number of responses here, that show how deep the seeking for 'What is Truth' runs, through ones life experiences. That there is a basic 'Truth' behind all creation and physical existence, is a given, what and how that translates into understandable words poses the difficulties. Even the readily found 'ahaa's' in certain books, that resonate well with ones feelings as being a reasonable 'Truth', raise further questions. Piece by piece, certain actions and feelings logically say this is 'part of truth', without answering the full question of 'what is the whole truth'. Each soul doing the seeking, will come to 'truth' for 'them', according to their progress with each 'ahaa' experienced. Stepping stones on a steep journey, full of the 'Sisyphus affect that plagues ones efforts. The best ever, advice, I've read, was 'question everything'. The bible was in that category. Many excellent book reads, gave reasonable sounding guidelines, yet the nag was always present. Even Adrian's book 'Our Ultimate Reality' needs to be questioned. Only by refining the answers found to given 'nags', can one get closer to 'What is Truth'. At one point you'll feel a degree of harmony with what you've arrived at. What happens beyond that point still depends on you. No more 'nags' experienced, then you have your 'truth', that may or may not be the 'Ultimate Truth' . Appears that believing 'we are Gods' experiencing, is part of the question of ''What is Truth' to us. Seems that the words 'experincing' and 'beliefs' is a serious part of arriving at the 'ultimate truth'. How many 'ahaa's' will it take to validate the 'Ultimate Truth'. Be Well http://thetalker.org/archives/129/2-truth-is-like-a-rubber-band/
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Be the change you wish to see in the world" --Gandhi It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply be kind to others. "Do not go where the path may lead; go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." ~Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Xbalanque
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2009, 23:08:37 » |
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I hope people don't mind me, a newbie to this forum, from chiming in, but your comment was very well put Talker. All great religious traditions, as well as shamanistic traditions, teach that Truth cannot be truly known via the intellect - it must go deeper. That said, for most, the intellect is all we have. So at least for me, I used (and continue to use) the intellect as a tool for seeking knowledge, even though I know that I will always question that which cannot be proven beyond all doubt. IMHO 'belief' (especially strong belief since almost everyone has some beliefs) only limits growth and understanding. But I also know from personal experience that if one continues to seek, one will eventually know with a knowing that goes far beyond what the reasoning mind is capable of understanding. Hello to All, Great number of responses here, that show how deep the seeking for 'What is Truth' runs, through ones life experiences. That there is a basic 'Truth' behind all creation and physical existence, is a given, what and how that translates into understandable words poses the difficulties. Even the readily found 'ahaa's' in certain books, that resonate well with ones feelings as being a reasonable 'Truth', raise further questions. Piece by piece, certain actions and feelings logically say this is 'part of truth', without answering the full question of 'what is the whole truth'. Each soul doing the seeking, will come to 'truth' for 'them', according to their progress with each 'ahaa' experienced. Stepping stones on a steep journey, full of the 'Sisyphus affect that plagues ones efforts. The best ever, advice, I've read, was 'question everything'. The bible was in that category. Many excellent book reads, gave reasonable sounding guidelines, yet the nag was always present. Even Adrian's book 'Our Ultimate Reality' needs to be questioned. Only by refining the answers found to given 'nags', can one get closer to 'What is Truth'. At one point you'll feel a degree of harmony with what you've arrived at. What happens beyond that point still depends on you. No more 'nags' experienced, then you have your 'truth', that may or may not be the 'Ultimate Truth' . Appears that believing 'we are Gods' experiencing, is part of the question of ''What is Truth' to us. Seems that the words 'experincing' and 'beliefs' is a serious part of arriving at the 'ultimate truth'. How many 'ahaa's' will it take to validate the 'Ultimate Truth'. Be Well http://thetalker.org/archives/129/2-truth-is-like-a-rubber-band/
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2009, 23:52:55 » |
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The Truth is that there is no Truth. What do mortal men know?
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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2009, 20:54:06 » |
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I hope people don't mind me, a newbie to this forum, from chiming in, but your comment was very well put Talker. All great religious traditions, as well as shamanistic traditions, teach that Truth cannot be truly known via the intellect - it must go deeper. That said, for most, the intellect is all we have. So at least for me, I used (and continue to use) the intellect as a tool for seeking knowledge, even though I know that I will always question that which cannot be proven beyond all doubt. IMHO 'belief' (especially strong belief since almost everyone has some beliefs) only limits growth and understanding. But I also know from personal experience that if one continues to seek, one will eventually know with a knowing that goes far beyond what the reasoning mind is capable of understanding. , . Great number of responses here, that show how deep the seeking for 'What is Truth' runs, through ones life experiences. That there is a basic 'Truth' behind all creation and physical existence, is a given, what and how that translates into understandable words poses the difficulties. Even the readily found 'ahaa's' in certain books, that resonate well with ones feelings as being a reasonable 'Truth', raise further questions. Piece by piece, certain actions and feelings logically say this is 'part of truth', without answering the full question of 'what is the whole truth'. Each soul doing the seeking, will come to 'truth' for 'them', according to their progress with each 'ahaa' experienced. Stepping stones on a steep journey, full of the 'Sisyphus affect that plagues ones efforts. The best ever, advice, I've read, was 'question everything'. The bible was in that category. Many excellent book reads, gave reasonable sounding guidelines, yet the nag was always present. Even Adrian's book 'Our Ultimate Reality' needs to be questioned. Only by refining the answers found to given 'nags', can one get closer to 'What is Truth'. At one point you'll feel a degree of harmony with what you've arrived at. What happens beyond that point still depends on you. No more 'nags' experienced, then you have your 'truth', that may or may not be the 'Ultimate Truth' . Appears that believing 'we are Gods' experiencing, is part of the question of ''What is Truth' to us. Seems that the words 'experiencing' and 'beliefs' is a serious part of arriving at the 'ultimate truth'. How many 'ahaa's' will it take to validate the 'Ultimate Truth'. Be Well http://thetalker.org/archives/129/2-truth-is-like-a-rubber-band/Hello Xbalanque and to All, You did good, Xbalanque Ah yes, 'what is truth'! One has to start from a point of reference to even get a smidgen of that words meaning. Start where many ask, I normally just say, 'start from where your at'. Read, experience, look, question and see where it all lands. So here comes bumping head on with beliefs, faith, blind faith, seeming truths, believable truths, unbelievable truths, with the attendant 'going half nuts endeavoring to sort it all out'. What I find interesting, is the hearing of 'There is only one Truth'. So now, 'what is that one truth'!Most everyone will go through various 'Ahaa's', and a solidification of some kind of permanent, impermanent, or temporary truth for them. The nutty sequence of finding 'my truth' shakes, rattles and rolls, others that are 'locked' into 'their truth'. Basically I find that 'Truth' is a huge 'variable' for each and every one of us. Yes. there 'will be and is' some common underlying 'truths' that apply to all, but not all 'my truths' will apply to 'all others'. Am I a 'God' in the process of rediscovering and experiencing the physical world, I had a hand in Creating! Is this world an illusion and the truth! Is the 'Father and I are one' the truth! Do I one day wake up in another realm, and continuing with awareness, whatever one continues to do at that point, is this another truth realized! Beautiful words flow from many voices and religions, from poets, in songs, from experiences felt by some, and the list goes on and on, but which of their 'truths' are 'the real truth'! Or are they 'all real truths'! So the question is, from my perspective, is there only 'One Truth' or are there many 'Truths'! Maybe the many 'Truths' become the one and only 'Truth'! There now, doesn't that settle the 'Truth' issue nicely! Say what! Nothing is settled you say! You are correct, as 'Truth' is a variable for each of us. Sheesh, can only say, My journey continues. Be Well http://thetalker.org/archives/129/2-truth-is-like-a-rubber-band/http://thetalker.org/archives/212/3-soul-food/http://thetalker.org/archives/210/1-conversations-with-me/http://thetalker.org/archives/220/11-talker-on-the-bible-and-the-god-concept/http://thetalker.org/archives/388/26-talker-on-nooky/http://thetalker.org/archives/235/4-mazzaroth-babbler-and-the-talker/http://thetalker.org/archives/393/16-im-a-spoke-in-whose-wheel/
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Be the change you wish to see in the world" --Gandhi It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply be kind to others. "Do not go where the path may lead; go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." ~Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Xbalanque
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2009, 22:21:56 » |
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Ah yes, 'what is truth'! One has to start from a point of reference to even get a smidgen of that words meaning. Start where many ask, I normally just say, 'start from where your at'. Read, experience, look, question and see where it all lands. So here comes bumping head on with beliefs, faith, blind faith, seeming truths, believable truths, unbelievable truths, with the attendant 'going half nuts endeavoring to sort it all out'.
For what it is worth, I do think there is one permanent Truth - but I don't feel that it can be described - only experienced. However, when it comes to anything that can be pointed to or discussed, then there are many truths, somewhat like the proverbial onion, whereby each layer is a truth all unto its own - but when the layer is unveiled it leads to yet another layer of truth, also complete on it's own, but when removed leads to yet even greater understanding, etc, etc.
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