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« on: October 21, 2007, 21:51:22 »

Adrian,

I read in your recent newsletter (and elsewhere) about how our present reality is created by our past thoughts.  I have tended to believe this for a long time, but about three months ago my wife of 25 years died in a car crash.  This of course was a horrible shock and I still haven't gotten beyond the denial part of grief yet.  My question is, how does her death intersect with what I may have created by thought in the past?  I'm just trying to make sense of all of this.  Any thoughts would be welcome.

Thanks, DH
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2007, 20:05:26 »


Hello DH,

I was very sorry to hear about your wife… I hope you had a private message from Adrian.

It is really a great burden to feel that one created something like that to a loved one with one’s own thoughts, that one does not even remember ever having. It is a much heavier guilt trip than the church had ever imposed on a human being, With the church it was very clear that one is responsible for one’s own conscious thoughts and actions. With the New Age (y) philosophy, when one is told that you create everything around you even if you are not conscious of any wrong wishing to other people, and all you can consciously account for is loving the person, the burden of guilt such a philosophy imposes is just unbearable. One has to search and dig into oneself to find a “sin” or “sins” one was never wished for and is actually completely unaware of having.

There are many couples who do not live in peace, who are constantly angry with each other, who utter death threads, and shout aloud terrible wishes for each other. Yet, nothing happens to their spouses. The best outcome is when they finally get a divorce.

This is why if you had any quarrels with your wife, which is a natural occurrence when one is married for such a long time, that you should not take the burden of what had happened to your wife on yourself. You did not cause her death, you did not wish anything like that for her, you are not responsible. The main thing is not to feel guilty, because if you do, it could have a very bad effect on your health  and on many other aspects of your life.

This is one of my beefs with the LOA. If it supposedly works, and one attracts good stuff, one has a great feeling of accomplishment and an ego boost. But when something like this - unexpected and unwished for - happens, it lays such a heavy burden of guilt and “sin” on an individual, that the churches’ guilt trip fades in comparison.

I wish you a lot of strength to take you over this difficult period…
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2007, 00:49:53 »

Hi Melody,

Thanks for the thoughtful response.   smiley  No, I'm not into guilt trips.  My wife and I were at a very high point in our relationship, and she went out on top -- at peace with herself and all of her family and friends -- had the best job she ever had -- etc.

I'm still fairly convinced that thoughts create reality.  The concept is in many Scriptures, including the Bible, and I can see it in my own experience.  I'm just not sure how our personal thoughts intersect with others.  Even some New Agers would say that she created her own death, even if it was a subconscious outworking of a decision she made prior to incarnating in her most recent lifetime.  I'm looking for some philosophical framework to make sense of it all.

I do appreciate the warm thoughts.  Blessings to you as well.  DH
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2007, 06:28:50 »


Hello DH,

I am glad you had a great relationship with your wife. And I am glad you are not into guilt. But just imagine how somebody else would feel who had a quarrel with his wife a day before. The LOA might have him believe he actually orchestrated his wife's death with his negative thoughts.

I seem to remember you mentioning somewhere that you used to work as a chaplain. It should not be therefore difficult for you to find those passages where the Bible mentions how thoughts create reality and post them here or in another thread in this forum?   smiley
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2007, 16:10:55 »

I seem to remember you mentioning somewhere that you used to work as a chaplain. It should not be therefore difficult for you to find those passages where the Bible mentions how thoughts create reality and post them here or in another thread in this forum?   smiley

Mk 11:20 The next morning as they passed by the fig tree he had cursed, the disciples noticed it was withered from the roots.
Mk 11:21 Peter remembered what Jesus had said to the tree on the previous day and exclaimed, “Look, Teacher! The fig tree you cursed has withered!”
Mk 11:22 Then Jesus said to the disciples, “Have faith in God.
Mk 11:23 I assure you that you can say to this mountain, ‘May God lift you up and throw you into the sea,’ and your command will be obeyed. All that’s required is that you really believe and do not doubt in your heart.
Mk 11:24 Listen to me! You can pray for anything, and if you believe, you will have it.
Mk 11:25 But when you are praying, first forgive anyone you are holding a grudge against, so that your Father in heaven will forgive your sins, too."

Ja 5:15 The prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise them up; and anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven.

2Co 9:6 Remember this—a farmer who plants only a few seeds will get a small crop. But the one who plants generously will get a generous crop.
2Co 9:7 You must each make up your own mind as to how much you should give. Don’t give reluctantly or in response to pressure. For God loves the person who gives cheerfully.
2Co 9:8 And God will generously provide all you need. Then you will always have everything you need and plenty left over to share with others.


Lk 6:37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged.  Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.   
Lk 6:38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap.   For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2007, 13:16:37 »


Hello DH,

Here’s my take on Bible passages you gave above. I quote them from KJV – King James Version, as I trust Walter Veith’s claim that it is the most authentic Bible version (thought, of course, not an original Bible since no original copy exists.) You can watch Dr. Veith’s videos on this subject (especially 213B, and all parts of 214B) listed in the Biblical Prophecies and Revelations topic in this forum, in Religions and Traditions section. He gives very thorough explanation about the origins of modern Bibles in use today, and provides a lot of evidence to substantiate his conclusions.

I will deal only with Mark, since what I have to say below will equally apply to all the other Bible passages you quoted.
 
Mar 11:12  And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
Mar 11:13  And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
Mar 11:14  And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it. “
Mar 11:20  And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
Mar 11:21  And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
Mar 11:22  And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23  For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mar 11:24  Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Mar 11:25  And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26  But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

Jesus was teaching by demonstrating - by “playing theatre” - since his disciples could not understand his teachings readily. He just showed them that if somebody has nothing to offer to God, they are not acceptable. If they have no life to give unto God, then they are as well dead. And what is that offering required unto God? – “Have faith in God”. So the moving of a mountain comes as “Faith in God” and not as faith in one’s own abilities, and this applies both to the moving of the mountain and asking for “things soever ye desire, when ye pray” ( i.e. asking God in prayer - not asking yourself - since Jesus started this preaching by stressing “Have faith in God.”) If you have faith in God and ask him in prayer, God will grant you what you desire, if that is of benefit and not a “trespass”.  I don’t believe human beings have an impeccable discernable ability to judge what might represent a “trespass”, and what implications (especially negative) our personal wishes might have. Jesus always states that you ask when you pray, and this presupposes that you pray to God, to the highest Deity, while you are doing this asking. I cannot imagine Jesus teaching his disciples to pray to God about material things, since they already had demonstrated to him that they did not care about anything material. They left behind or gave away everything they possessed when they joined him. That was actually a prerequisite for them to become Jesus’ followers.

And yes, we should pray to God for forgiveness, since none of us is impeccable. And we should forgive others, when they do us wrong. This is really a great biblical teaching! Bible does teach us how to be better human beings. And if we do not forgive, “neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses”, which is basically God’s judgment. Unfortunately, modern people do not believe they could or should be judged by a higher deity. They don’t believe they should be accountable to anybody for either their thought or deeds.

God is generous. He provided us with this beautiful Earth as our home, and in so doing he has taken care of all our material needs. We simply mismanage how our material needs are supplied. A lot of institutions control this process, even wishing to take a total control of all crop’s seeds.

And yes, we can pray to God to grant good health.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2007, 12:53:42 »

Adrian,

I read in your recent newsletter (and elsewhere) about how our present reality is created by our past thoughts.  I have tended to believe this for a long time, but about three months ago my wife of 25 years died in a car crash.  This of course was a horrible shock and I still haven't gotten beyond the denial part of grief yet.  My question is, how does her death intersect with what I may have created by thought in the past?  I'm just trying to make sense of all of this.  Any thoughts would be welcome.

Thanks, DH

Hello DH,
My belated condolences on the recent loss of your wife. I also, have recently experienced the loss of a loved one. One can read about the feelings of "hurt and the pain" of situations like we have just passed through, but those words take on a new meaning for us. The internal mental conflicts rage around concepts of the death process, spiritual beliefs,and truly tests ones core beliefs. At least this is what I am experiencing. Have found solice in a saying, frequently used, "and this to, shall pass". Yes, have done soul searching for answers
to the why this occurred in our life. It was at this time that I found a book title, that helped in easing the pain felt, not a perfect answer, but an understanding of the "possibilities" involved. Courageous Souls by Robert Schwartz, is the book title. Viewed from the stories written in this book, I could see the possibility of how this event had great love involved for our souls progress. May that you also reach a peaceful resolve in your moments of grief. In the book, are stories of how a plan of cooperation in this physical world would happen, before they are born into it. How free Will, of each involved in the planning stage, would be tested, and the probable outcomes of each variable action. Any reading of the Seth material by Jane Roberts, helps in understanding the concepts of free will, and probable futures. Adrian's OUR, the bible along with what I've mentioned, helps immensely, in comprehending how our lives are impacted by our thinking processes upon each other.
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2007, 22:26:06 »


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Hello DH,
My belated condolences on the recent loss of your wife. I also, have recently experienced the loss of a loved one. One can read about the feelings of "hurt and the pain" of situations like we have just passed through, but those words take on a new meaning for us. The internal mental conflicts rage around concepts of the death process, spiritual beliefs,and truly tests ones core beliefs. At least this is what I am experiencing. Have found solice in a saying, frequently used, "and this to, shall pass". Yes, have done soul searching for answers
to the why this occurred in our life. It was at this time that I found a book title, that helped in easing the pain felt, not a perfect answer, but an understanding of the "possibilities" involved. Courageous Souls by Robert Schwartz, is the book title. Viewed from the stories written in this book, I could see the possibility of how this event had great love involved for our souls progress. May that you also reach a peaceful resolve in your moments of grief. In the book, are stories of how a plan of cooperation in this physical world would happen, before they are born into it. How free Will, of each involved in the planning stage, would be tested, and the probable outcomes of each variable action. Any reading of the Seth material by Jane Roberts, helps in understanding the concepts of free will, and probable futures. Adrian's OUR, the bible along with what I've mentioned, helps immensely, in comprehending how our lives are impacted by our thinking processes upon each other.
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Hey Talker,

Thank you so much for your kind response.  So sorry for your loss as well.  It is  amazing how easy it is to talk to other people about their grief and loss.  I've worked in helping professions for several years in which I did a lot of counseling with the bereaved; but it's amazing how things change when it's you!  I appreciate the reading tips. I have thought before about the idea of "pre-planning" your life before you incarnate.  I checked out Schwartz's book, and it was helpful in fleshing out the ideas.  I suppose that just how all of our thoughts relate to and influence each other will be somewhat of a mystery, but we can keep on trying to understand.
Love and light to you on your journey.

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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2007, 11:27:00 »

Hello DH,

Thank you for your message and apologies for not responding sooner - I did not see this message initially.

Adrian,

I read in your recent newsletter (and elsewhere) about how our present reality is created by our past thoughts.  I have tended to believe this for a long time, but about three months ago my wife of 25 years died in a car crash.  This of course was a horrible shock and I still haven't gotten beyond the denial part of grief yet.  My question is, how does her death intersect with what I may have created by thought in the past?  I'm just trying to make sense of all of this.  Any thoughts would be welcome.

Thanks, DH

We principally create our own reality through our own thoughts, feelings, emotions etc. At the same time we are all connected as an integral aspect of Source and can therefore influence the reality of those we call "others".

In addition to the connectedness aspect, the Subconscious Mind will accept instructions from any Mind, not only the owner - this is how hypnosis works for example where the hypnotist substitutes the conscious Mind of the "subject" with his own.

I am very sorry to hear of the unexpected transition of your Wife, but please be assured that she is every bit with you now, as she ever was, but in a non-physical body. She will visit often, know your thoughts and emotions, and be frustrated by not being able to communicate with you.

For this reason among others it is crucial, especially under circumstances such as these where the "deceased"  and perhaps the bereaved might be experiencing guilt and other emotions, due to the sudden departure, to only send positive emotions of Love, joy and other high emotions - this makes the transition much more tolerable, and allows the "deceased" to attune to their new environment and way of life.

Although your wife created this situation herself with her thoughts, it is most important not to torture yourself as to why and how. There is not "past" or "future" only a Now, and it is in the Now that we must live.

It is pointless my speculating how your wife brought this upon herself, and it would be wrong of me to do so as I do not know the thought processes of your wife.

What I can say is that now you are only separated by Vibration of Energy, but sooner or later you will be reunited again face to face, by which time you will both be advised to make your peace with each other, if you have not already done so.

I hope that answers the question - the important factor is not to blame yourself or to endlessly search for "why" - you will never likely find it.

If you have any additional questions that I may be able to assist with, please ask them here, and I will answer immediately this time.

Kind regards,

Adrian.
 

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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2007, 18:17:46 »

Hello DH,
Thank you for your message and apologies for not responding sooner - I did not see this message initially.
Hi Adrian,
Thanks for the reply.  I knew you had been on vacation and were probably still getting caught up.  No harm done!   smiley

Although your wife created this situation herself with her thoughts, it is most important not to torture yourself as to why and how. There is not "past" or "future" only a Now, and it is in the Now that we must live.
It is pointless my speculating how your wife brought this upon herself, and it would be wrong of me to do so as I do not know the

I rather suspected that we somehow create our own physical deaths internally.  Do you think we pre-plan our lives (even generally) before we incarnate, according to what the Higher Self wants to accomplish?

I am very sorry to hear of the unexpected transition of your Wife, but please be assured that she is every bit with you now, as she ever was, but in a non-physical body. She will visit often, know your thoughts and emotions, and be frustrated by not being able to communicate with you.

Are there ways to communicate directly without going through a medium?  If so, what are they?

What I can say is that now you are only separated by Vibration of Energy, but sooner or later you will be reunited again face to face, by which time you will both be advised to make your peace with each other, if you have not already done so.

Fortunately she and I were at a high point in our relationship, and she and our three adult kids were all in a good place.  In fact, she seemed to be on top of the world.  I know she's ok, but she is my best friend and I just miss the hell out of her.

Thanks for the time.  DH












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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2007, 07:16:18 »

Hello DH,

Regarding your questions:

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I rather suspected that we somehow create our own physical deaths internally.  Do you think we pre-plan our lives (even generally) before we incarnate, according to what the Higher Self wants to accomplish?


Our Higher Self plans an incarnation in accordance with the particular experience we need to gather in order to be more complete. The incarnation can tale place in any timeline relative to Earth "time", any country, any gender, any circumstance. Higher Self chooses our parents for example.

Once on Earth however that knowledge is filtered from us in order that we may live autonomously and with freewill, without the influence of other incarnations.

Sometimes time and cause of death is preplanned certainly, but in my opinion this is the exception rather than to be considered normal.

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I would not consider a medium. Genuine ones are very hard to find, and even then many of them are channeling a "phantom" of the deceased person, a transient Astral entity created by intensive thought of others after the death - often as a result of grieving. Phantoms are sort of intelligent, and can communicate as if they are the real person.

Anyone can communicate telepathically with deceased ones, as well as clairvoyantly, but this requires serious training. The easiest way to make contact is in the dream state where we all project into the non-physical world where non-physical people can meet us - sort of between worlds.

Before sleep form the intention to meet with your wife, and imagine, as intensively as possible that you are meeting Now, with all the associated feelings. I realise of course this could well be distressing, so that is at your discretion.

Very importantly, and everyone should do this, keep a "dream journal" by your bed. The second you awake, write down everything you remember about your dreams - however surreal they may at first seem. The very action of doing this will program your Subconscious Mind to bring clearer and clearer dream recall, as well as more vivid dreams, so this is an excellent long-term habit to get in to. It is also a powerful way of communicating within by asking questions and writing down the answers received in the morning.

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Fortunately she and I were at a high point in our relationship, and she and our three adult kids were all in a good place.  In fact, she seemed to be on top of the world.  I know she's ok, but she is my best friend and I just miss the hell out of her.

I am pleased to hear that you lived in such harmony - this will help her enormously knowing that you loved each other then as you do now, and there is nothing left unsaid.

It is understandable to feel the physical loss, but know that the only thing that separates you is Vibration of Energy and nothing else.

It is important now to refocus on your present moment. I was divorced 12 years ago, amicably, but was left with raising my three small sons alone which I have done gladly and with Love - they are all now teenagers and very happy and well adjusted, as well as knowing more than most about the true nature of reality.

The important thing is to live your life for the present and without guilt - your wife knows your thoughts and feelings and you can be sure that is what she wishes for you, knowing that you will eventually be reunited again.

Kind regards,

Adrian.














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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2007, 10:15:58 »

Hello Adrian,

Thanks for your response.

Re dream contacts with the departed:

      I think I may have had a spontaneous "dream visitation" from my wife two months to the day after she passed.  It was about 2:00 a.m.  In the dream I was lying in our bed alone thinking about her "death."  Suddenly she walked into the room and lay down beside me.  We then had a rather nonchalant conversation about how we hadn't seen each other in awhile.  The dream seemed so real that when I awoke, I had a hard time believing that I had been dreaming.  I looked around the room for her.  Rather than just dreaming about her, it felt like I was really there with her.  I also had a very strong sense of peace for the first time since her passing.  All of this lead me to believe that it might have been a visitation.  Although I hadn't written down dream recollections before, I did write this one down.  I have had a dream like that since -- that I remember.

      I am going to take your suggestion about initiating communication with her via dreams and keeping a journal. 

I know that grief motivates me a lot here and that I can't live in the past.  I realize that we both have our own lives to lead in the now

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Hello Adrian,

Thanks for your response.

Re dream contacts with the departed:

      I think I may have had a spontaneous "dream visitation" from my wife two months to the day after she passed.  It was about 2:00 a.m.  In the dream I was lying in our bed alone thinking about her "death".  Suddenly she walked into the room and lay down beside me.  We then had a rather nonchalant conversation about how we hadn't seen each other in awhile.  The dream seemed so real that when I awoke, I had a hard time believing that I had been dreaming.  I looked around the room for her.  Rather than just dreaming about her, it felt like I was really there with her.  I also had a very strong sense of peace for the first time since her passing.  All of this led me to believe that it might haven been a visitation.  Although I hadn't written down dream recollections before, I did write this one down.  I haven't had a dream like that since -- that I remember.

      I am going to take your suggestion about initiating communication with her via dreams and keeping a journal.

      Your word about living in the Now is a point well taken.  I know that grief motivates me a lot here and that I have to be careful about "living in the past."  I realize that we both have our own lives to lead in the Now, but why can't the Now include some cool new joint adventures at a different level of existence?

      Your insights are appreciated.  Blessings, DH

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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2007, 12:16:35 »

Hello,

Edit:  Sorry, hit the button and posted by accident before I was done!

Hello Adrian,

Thanks for your response.

Re dream contacts with the departed:

      I think I may have had a spontaneous "dream visitation" from my wife two months to the day after she passed.  It was about 2:00 a.m.  In the dream I was lying in our bed alone thinking about her "death".  Suddenly she walked into the room and lay down beside me.  We then had a rather nonchalant conversation about how we hadn't seen each other in awhile.  The dream seemed so real that when I awoke, I had a hard time believing that I had been dreaming.  I looked around the room for her.  Rather than just dreaming about her, it felt like I was really there with her.  I also had a very strong sense of peace for the first time since her passing.  All of this led me to believe that it might haven been a visitation.  Although I hadn't written down dream recollections before, I did write this one down.  I haven't had a dream like that since -- that I remember.

      I am going to take your suggestion about initiating communication with her via dreams and keeping a journal.

      Your word about living in the Now is a point well taken.  I know that grief motivates me a lot here and that I have to be careful about "living in the past."  I realize that we both have our own lives to lead in the Now, but why can't the Now include some cool new joint adventures at a different level of existence?

      Your insights are appreciated.  Blessings, DH


This certainly sounds very much like a visitation by your wife in the dream state. Keep in mind that your own Mind will tend to place it's own interpretation on the experience, so the smaller details are not too important. It is the feelings and impressions that you receive that really matter.

I should also add that "deceased" people very frequently visit loved ones in dreams, becaue usually it is the only realistic option available.

Belief is absolutely crucial - I cannot emphasise that enough. If you do not believe in the ability of your wife to visit, or even doubt the experience, it will create a barrier of Energy that will prevent future contact until you remove the doubt.  This applies to all powers of the Mind including The Law of Attraction where Belief and Faith are fundamental.

To gove you an example, there was a few years ago a major series of experiments in "instrumental transcommunications" between researchers and Astral people, including some famous ones. The results were spectacular and repeatable. But then after a time they began to doubt the reality of their experiences, and that was enough to block them completely.


The point I am making is that you must Believe, with absolute Faith in the process that your Wife Is communicating with you Now, and then take that certainty into the dream state and be ready to record any memories in the morning.

I wish you every success, and would expect you to realise it.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

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