I was thinking about this and wanted to know what others had to say.

Most of us, as some point or another, have "seen" our world, actually a reflection of it,  with their astral sight, their 3rd eye, their etheral vision, whatever you want to call it; maybe during an OBE, but especially those times where you wake up early and before you open your eyes, you can see. While this sight isn't perfectly accurate, it is quite close. Close enough to consider it functional vision.

So I was wondering, if we can do this, why is it we've never heard of a blind person learning to use this form of sight in place of their eyes? Perhaps many do, in a very weak form they might interpret as imagination through sound and what not, but theoretically one should be able to achieve an almost-perfect etheral sight ability with practice and dedication. I would think someone who has gone blind could become particularly devoted to this practice. And I am sure if someone had, it would've made a news story here or there at some point, spread the word so others could be taught as well. So why have they not?

Possibly because people that go blind or are born blind have chosen that path for themselves (their higher-self has, I mean), hence they don't want to gain this sort of sight since it would negate a purpose of their journey. Perhaps those of us that ARE more spiritually evolved, those of us reading these forums and those like us - that we have the spiritual and physical integrity to not allow some ailment to take our vision. It is true most of us get sick considerably less than average, if ever, right? Or maybe its because most of this sort of information is only primarily available on the internet, a source of knowledge a blind person would be severely limited access to.

Another interesting thing is that I've heard someone who is born with sight but goes blind later in life, over time also slowly stops "seeing" in their dreams. They still dream though. It is often said however, that some to all of our "dreams" are actually experiences on the astral plane, hence we would be seeing with our astral sight. What connection could this have?

P.S. - I'm also posting this on the AP forums, but although this forum is much smaller and less active, the people who reply are the cream of the crop so to speak - most of us have read at least part of OUR and other valuable sources of information, while many on the AP forums seem more to be 90% questions, and 8% inaccurate responses. Of course I support these people on their path to knowledge and spiritual advancement, but If I post a question I hope for answers or intelligent discussion, not more questions, you know?

Good post. Wanted to point something out that's a possible benefit to invoking elements and what not. You said it shouldn't be messed with until later since it can unbalance you, and thats precisely true. The thing is most people are imbalanced one way or the other and the elements can be used to help correct that. For example if you're typically a depressed, introverted, or tired person, you have an overabundance of the water element and can invoke more fire to correct this. Likewise if you're a crazy hyper druggie party animal, or an overly apathetic person, you might want to invoke more water. If you're living in poverty you might want to try invoking earth, which is associated with success, material gain etc. If you have concentration problems or motivational issues or lack charisma you might want to invoke more air, which also can help with OBEs and breaking habits/addictions etc.

Like you said though its essential to be aware of your own balance. Too much fire can turn you into an angry hateful person. Too much water can make you depressed. Too much earth can make you impatient. Too much air can make you anxious and nervous or confused. You get the idea.

Don't misunderstand. I'm not attacking the origins of Christianity. What I am bringing up for discussion is that the church has evolved into its current state where possibly they do NOT have humanity's best interests in mind, and why they would do this.

This is an interesting topic I'd like to see a bit of discussion about.

Ok, let me first say that maybe Jesus existed and maybe he could do the things the bible says he did. Maybe he IS an ascended master and his goal in life here WAS to help advance the human race spiritually.

BUT, Christianity, and its sister religions of Islam and Judaism, are definitely not the path to spiritual enlightenment. Most of the people here, of course, either always knew something "wasn't quite right" with Christianity and were never a part of it, or they were and eventually realized that staying a devout Christian and nothing more would not advance their spiritual evolution. I state this as a matter of fact - or almost fact; my question is for discussion is, has the church DELIBERATELY been trying to hinder our spiritual evolution for the past thousand or more years?

Let's think about this a little, and go back in time. The church created the "devil" and their dogmatic conception of "evil" etc in an attempt to control people where civil laws could not. This in itself is not such a bad thing, maybe it was even necessary. The problem is there was a time where almost everything a person considered to be "fun" was considered evil by the church. Anything that might advance our knowledge was considered evil and blasphemous, and much of it still is today. Let me offer a few examples.

For a time the church actually allowed your "sins" to be forgiven by paying them! Sure, go out and have fun, but know that it is evil, and you'll have to offer us a large some of money if God is to forgive you. How could a group seeking spiritual evolution do something like that? Even today many churches don't just take donations, but DEMAND that to attend their church, you MUST give to them a sizable portion of your annual income, and it'll be ok because "God will provide for you". All this while they are paying their preacher $80,000 a year. mmhmm.

Music was typically considered evil by the church. In reality music is very beneficial to us in more ways then one. It calms us, and it can improve our emotional well-being. The harmonies in music can also help us spiritually by helping up-tune our physical bodies to be a closer frequency to our higher-selves. The church clearly did not want this. Additionally, cultures and religious groups that were often very spiritual, frequently celebrated music and dance. These groups were deemed to be evil by the church. At some point in time though people became smart enough to know that it was rediculous to consider music evil, and the church had to back off their stance. Even today though, much music, even without indecent lyrics is considered "evil" (i.e. rock)just because of the types of harmonies and energies it might utilize.

The Earth isn't the center of everything? People were KILLED by the church for stating this accurate theory purely because it contradicted what the church had said. Wow, they actually killed brilliant people in an attempt to avoid others seeing that the church isn't always right.

Baptism. They don't give you the chance to wait until you're old enough to make an informed decision. People are "recruited" into the church before they ever have a chance to choose otherwise. Which brings me to...

Free will. This is one of the big things the church boasts about. God is great because he gave us free will and that makes us unique among his creations. But WAIT A MINUTE!!!.  Unless I'm drastically mistaken, choice is part of an intellectual process, and we wouldn't be able to partake in that if Adam and Eve hadn't eaten the forbidden fruit, which gave us knowledge. Even in writtings of the earliest of the "Christian" reality, we were NOT supposed to have the ability to think for ourselves. It wasn't even freewill supposedly that allowed us to eat that fruit. It was Satan, the "snake". So God didn't want us to have free will. He got very angry when we aquired it. As infants and young children we are forced to join this religion. We have freewill - but we can't dance, or listen to music, or have sex, or want something we don't have, or seek higher knowledge. Or, we can of course, but God will be angry with us and might punish us.

I have a great friend, a former drug dealer (no thats not how we met), who was "saved" by Christianity. I have nothing but happiness for him and his new and improved self. He is full of a ton of love. He's one of those people that loves "God" so much that he can actually ALMOST convince you to go to church with him and almost make you feel that God loves you so much even though you don't believe in God the way a Christian does. Anyway I enjoyed spending our downtime at work offering rebuttals and what if's against the Christian religion to see what how his highly bible-trained self would answer, since this sort of Christian has an answer for everything. I'd ask him about things like psychics, astral projection, levitation, things like that. His answer was that things like this are all temptations set up by the Devil and that we shouldn't persue them. I asked him, "so seeking to evolve ourselves as individuals is evil?" His answer was essentially yes. God made us as we are and doesn't want us to change. He doesn't want us to become closer to him in that respect.

The highest people in the echelons of Christianity seem like practically empty shells, no feeling or passion whatsoever. The pope himself, all the popes, have seemed to be some of the most spiritually UNevolved people in the world. Every path to enlightment Christianity has tagged as evil and damning. Catholics say you get into heaven by doing good works, which is not such a bad thing to say, though it is part of the ancient technique of scaring people into line. Modern denominations has let go of that, and say you don't have to do ANYTHING to get into heaven as long as you accept Jesus as your savior and that's that. The church tries to pull more people into this dead-end simply by telling them something that "sounds good". All I have to do is believe in God and I automatically get into heaven? Sounds like a pretty good deal. You should never choose such a path because it sounds nice, and easy. You should make an informed choice based on what you believe to be right.  Search for spiritual enlightenment and you must not truly believe him to be your savior, and you're screwed.

Prayer. While prayer in itself isn't always bad, since it can be just another sort of meditation or manifestation, often it leads people into a progressively worse situation. If something bad happens, the church tells you to just keep praying and everything will be ok. The ailing person gives up all internal effort to improve their lives or physical condition, leaving themselves "in the hands of God" as their bodies deteriorate to eventual death or their lives deteriorate into a vortex of negative occurances, all the while praying to be "saved". Of course usually nothing happens for these people, and if an INKLING of good luck touches their lives the call it a miracle. People waste away to diseases and life situations while praying when we ALL have the power to EASILY improve these negative circumstances on our OWN, if only we tap into our true spiritual abilities. It seems then, that even prayer was invented to keep people down.

What I am raising for discussion is the possibility that Chrisitanity is not just a more or less dead-end path, but that the organization is in fact deliberately TRYING to stop people from evolving. Why they would do this I don't know, but there is enormous evidence to back this up. The Christian religion is and has been for over a thousand years an attempt to permanently enslave people in an unhappy, spiritually unevolved darkness. If you disagree walk into a Catholic church and observe the emotionless sermons, complete with a zombie-like reciting of the same prayers, over and over again. Discuss.

I think I understand what Adrian is saying. Its not so much the eating of the meat that is wrong as it is the fact that by doing so we are condoning truly unethical actions of others.

I don't see myself giving up meat alone, but sungazing seems to be the ideal option here and I think it is something all of us should give a try for the numerous benefits it provides.

Well, the manifesting of evil thing only occurs when I have a lucid dream -> OBE experience, but this was a more direct concious OBE. I suppose it could have been some reflection of myself or perhaps just my girlfriend seeing me but mixing it with her own semi-dream state as well. As a side note, I think fighting the way I do is a step up from most people, who experience extreme fear for their first several experiences, which can block them forever. I may have issues that I need to sort out, but fear is no longer one of them and that is a valuable fact; if I am ever faced by a true thing of evil, it will have no power over me.

 Another theory that I "coincidentally" came across was from an interesting source. You could say I "walk in the light" for sure but I came across a major information hub for "spiritual satanists" which was a very interesting thing to review. They don't understand karma, or maybe they do but take to literally their right to do equal good and bad. The most interesting thing is their belief that Christians have it almost completely backwards, that the Christian God is a false god out to enslave humans and remove free will, angels are often harmful to you, and it is actually satan's demons that are the gaurdians, etc. Their beliefs actually make a lot of sense, but are ultimately incorrect considering they would still be acknowledging the reality of Christianity and the Gods known before Christianity. Another interesting fact is that their material for spiritual training (to eventually lead to "dark magic" and such) is almost the exact path discussed in sources like OUR. All the meditations and concentration exercises are very similar. Its all there. The only difference is they teach the invoking of the elements along the road. I take it with a grain of salt of course but respected the information I was lead to as I would any other new source of information, since earlier that day I had asked for an answer. I mention this only because if there had truly been an external evil presence during that particular OBE, I would have felt it, but I felt no evil, only good. If what my girlfriend saw was an entity other than myself, then it would quite clearly fit the spiritual satanist's description of "gaurdian demons". Quite a coincidence indeed. She had told me that when she looked at it, it "stuck its tongue at her like it was playing, then winked and gave a thumbs up". I don't think its even in my subconcious capacity to do something like that. Is anyone familiar with these people anyway?

I frequently wake up seeing through closed eyelids as well. Good stuff. Here's an interesting tidbit. At night, when its close to time for me to sleep, if I try to gain etheral sight, my eyes reflexively want to open as soon as I start making progress. So instead I let my eyes stay open, but pay no attention to what they are seeing. Shortly that familiar "darkness" washes over my open eyes and is soon replaced by the astral reflection of  my surroundings. Interesting, I think, that I have more success with my eyes open than closed. This  of course is when I'm only trying to work on my pineal vision not when I am trying to project.

By the way Adrian thanks for the reply.

Nobody has anything to say? I'm dissappointed

I'd be very interested to hear if you have any success with these changes.

I remember coming across the silva method years ago... about 5 years ago. It looked very promising to me and I went through all the free lessons but I don't think I bought it. I almost did but then something else required my money. I have a crippling-ly bad attention span.

I theorize that when it comes to manipulating reality, the hardest thing of all is to manipulate yourself. For example lighting a candle purely with your mind doesn't seem hard to do at all for someone with absolute concentration, focus, and understanding. But could you create that same flame directly over your hand? Plenty of people can use telekenisis to lift small objects into the air. Like a muscle, I think, the more you practice the larger the object you can manipulate. Ultimately size and weight shouldn't matter for this anyway, right? But can such people lift themselves? It may have happened, but its the sort of thing that people don't share with other people. If you can manipulate yourself, you are a true master of your own reality. Try "lightening" yourself while standing on a scale.

As for my eyes, they have a very sparse green pigmentation. This is exactly the color I want them to be, which may be my own doing anyway, but their default color so closely borders between blue and green that I consider it no hard thing to shift them one way or the other. I can do it deliberately and instantly; they will also change based on my mood or the clothes I'm wearing. Whatever matches best. I've never devoted any meditational sort of strength to alter my eye color, its just something I've always been able to do....

Unfortunetly I've hardly devoted any meditational strength to anything. Its that ADD at work. Meditation could help that, I know - but its quite a conundrum. To improve my attention span I'd have to devote my attention to meditation, which I can not do due to my attention problems. Just managing to clear my mind completely of all thoughts for 5 minutes in a day is vastly beneficial to my metaphysical abilities for that day.

Let me tell you though, doubt is absolutely crippling, more than anything else. As a seeker of ultimate truth, I'm a person quick to doubt as well, but that is not in a skeptical sense. Believing strongly in anything is beneficial. Devout Christians benefit from being such - even if their beliefs are so inaccurate - because they believe fully and benefit from an enhanced connection to the source. Praying to God or a saint may not be a metaphysically accurate act, but it translates into meditation/channeling/manifesting/affirmations, depending on the prayer. Likewise Dianetics, the original book of scientology, makes a lot of sense. Follow its suggestions with full confidence and you will indeed be a much improved person - the book basically teaches you to hypnotize yourself. But as soon as you find out the book is L Ron Hubbard's reorganization of just a bunch of things other great men have said; as soon as you learn that the church of scientology essentially steals incredible sums of money from its follows; as soon as you learn that the most advanced levels of practice in scientology are complete hookey-dookey - of course you won't benefit from it then.

Regardless of your path, with doubt, you are powerless.

I never knew my great-great-grandfather. He died in the early 1900s. He was an introvertic poet. My family managed to preserve a couple of his journals, absolutely packed with writing. I've also wrote poetry and was very interested in reading his. After reading, his personality, his writing style, and even the things he wrote about are almost a mirror imagine to mine. A mirror image, except for the fact that they are a considerably less spiritually evolved version of my outlooks on life. For example, he wrote that he believed people created religion because they were afraid of death. I did and do believe this still to be a truth, even though I know now that "death" is nothing to be feared. But there are still many people in the world that DO fear death, and strap on tightly to a dogmatic religion purely because of their fear of death.

He sounded like a less evolved version of myself. I now believe that there is a very good chance that I was my great-great grandfather.

Ok. Like I said I respect animals and plants and never set out to hurt them.

It is said we choose our lives before we enter them, as that is the best evolutionary path for us. It is implied animals are doing the same. Regardless of morals here, what is being said is that animals choose their lives in the same way. This will be hard for me to word: so what about the cow that is born (farmed) on a ranch where it is 100% destined to be slaughtered and eventually eaten. If they choose their own lives, and being born into that life that where being used for food is without a doubt the path their lives will take, why would they do that? How are we interfering with their lives when they were deliberately born into an existance that will be deliberately and surely terminated for the purpose of human consumption? Sure, they were here first, but we are here now too. Yes, humans for the most part are drastically straying from the right path these days. But does the cow choosing to be born into that life expect the ranch owner to just let all the cows go? Of course thats not going to happen. If that cow or chicken is not here to become "fast food" than why did it deliberately choose to enter such an existance with an unavoidable consequence?

By saying that plants are as much a part of the source as ourselves and animals, how is it any more OK to eat a plant? You're still "killing" it to eat it. Why did that plant come into existence, knowing it would be eaten. What can it offer with such an existance that carnivorous food does not? Perhaps animals such as cows and chickens are PART of the "infinite bounty that The Source has provided for us in His/Her infinite wisdom." Many religious texts say exactly that.

Ok, so you say we aren't designed to eat meat. Although that is a scientifically inaccurate statement (and we've only EXISTED on this planet in this reality for the last few hundred thousand years, and if anything the structure of our mouth has become weaker, not stronger), I will respect this assumption for the purpose of my arguement. Our souls choose these lives to evolve. We are not meant to eat meat. Animals choose these lives to evolve as well. Some of them ARE meant to eat meat. The animal they kill to eat also has a soul and chose that life. So how is THAT anymore ok? Because animals maintain the balance and respect the lives of other animals regardless of the fact that they eat them? Sure, for the most part, but many species HAVE been wiped out over the course of history purely due to a specific predator. And who is to say I don't have respect and appreciation for the cow that ended up becoming the steak I eat? I,  in fact, am -quite-  thankful to that cow. Many Christians "thank God" for every meal they eat regardless of the composition of that meal. How is any of it any different?

Human expansion is out of control and the building of homes results in the destruction of many natural habitats of animals. But that is the work of the contractor. Once a person is living in a home it should be respected as such. After all, every soul is here for a reason and for the most part we can not be expected to live without homes right? Human population is out of control, but since every life is choosen, then how can we blame ourselves for causing imbalance? Surely, in the Astral, when one chooses a life, they are not doing so with an egotistical and greedy sense of view. Yet they choose to incarnate on an already overpopulated world. I assume infinite reflections of Earth could be created to insure there are not too many people on any instance of Earth at any one time, and yet here we are. Food for thought, hmmm? Maybe part of the reason for this is so we can evolve by learning to correct the imbalance we have "erroneously" created, but that implies that all the life forms suffering from the imbalance we caused are also part of this specific scenario.

There ARE many species of animals throughout history that HAVE multiplied to an extreme and imbalanced THEIR envoirnments as well. Eventually nature forces this balance to correct itself as it will with us. This is not an occurance exclusive to the ignorance of humans. This is something that has occured several times throughout the history of nature and physical life.

The countless "modern" ailments are not caused just by eating animals. They are caused by eating things in excess, particularly poorly processed foods loaded with unnatural additives. You can't get a fast food double cheeseburger and blame your weight and health on the cow. That's not what caused it at all. Its the fact that so little of that burger is actually a cow. If you eat quality meats in a balanced diet with plenty of organic foods as well, you will not have any more ailments than a full vegetarian. In fact, you are much more likely to have less. Though one can live without any sort of meat, there are numerous vitamins and minerals etc that our body utilizies very well for optimal function that can ONLY be obtained from other animals.

And for the record, many animals in a fully natural habitat DO die from ailments, be it aquired from another animal that is also naturally part of that habitat or a genetic defect. Nature correcting itself you say? Well maybe people eating too much bad meat and artificial foods and dying of heart attacks is ALSO part of nature correcting itself. Maybe the exponential replication of AIDS is nature correcting itself, considering numerous (I know of at least 3) absolute cures having been found, yet none are allowed to become mainstream knowledge.

Back to my saying our homes should be respected. If a deadly spider finds its way into my home, which is NOT its natural habitat, then crawls into my bed in my sleep and bites me, it is not I interferring with his/her natural life, it is the other way around.

What about ants? I believe groups of ants have their own central conciousness that is intelligent to an unknown degree. Thus I compare an individual ant to a body part. Surely burning one with a magnifying glass or something is wrong, but ants are randomly stepped on every day by people never seeing them. Is THIS disrupting the balance? Maybe its helping -maintain- a balance.

If I accidentally stub my toe on something, I don't blame that something for interferring with my natural existence. But according to this I could.

I also understand there are life forms that dwarf our existence to the extreme and that they respect us. But not a single part of my arguement requires humans as individuals to disrespect any other life either.

Adrian, I feel that your book is absolute truth, that it truly documents ulimate reality. No offense, but this particular arguement of yours is completely without foundation and I feel that I have easily, intelligently, and logically rebuttled every single arguement you have made.

Of course I am never closed off to any idea and could very well concede to you if you are able to explain why my arguements are invalid. My only other solution would be, it seems, to project into the higher astral and ask a spirit there the same questions for absolute explainations. Or maybe if you've done such a thing you could tell me about it and help me understand. I say this without the least bit of sarcasm.

Others, please discuss as well.

Motivational pill? It already exists, though that wasn't exactly the intended purpose for it. Google modafinil.

But remember, ultimately it isn't pills that determine who we are. You can always break free of the limitations set upon you by genetics and chemical reactions. That's not all we are, after all.    Though I understand exactly how you feel.

If you are unhappy about the way you look physically "magic" alone can not help you.

Its true some people are born more or less attractive than others, but I believe nobody is doomed to being "ugly".

The most attractive people you see around you look that way because they've spent a lifetime WANTING to look that way, and have taken multiple approaches to achieving that.

Eat right. Exercise. Wash your face twice a day. Find the haircut best for your head-type and care for it well. These are the most important things. Also, do continue your visualisations. Doubt is a barrier. Your visualisations can manifest, but not exactly as you expect. No change will be so apparent that you will think "hmm, I did this with magic". You will just look at yourself in the mirror at one point and think "hey, I look pretty good". Others will think the same thing about you. You may indeed become an inch taller, or your hair may become slightly darker or lighter, or your eyes may change their hue (I can actually change mine at will between blue and green, but this doesn't seem to be a particularly uncommon ability). You will almost definitely not experience physical changes that defy the three-dimensional laws of science, however. The most significant changes come from the inside, and looking for them only on the outside or expecting too much will not help you. In fact, it may even hinder you. Just keep at it and always know in your mind that you are looking a little bit better every day.

It will take me a paragraph or two to get to the point, but this whole post is relavent I feel. I would love for anyone to read it and offer their thoughts.

I believe that, even since my earlier teenage years, I've had more OBE's and supernatural experiences than the average person. I've always been grateful for this life, but I felt like my soul was older than... average you could say. Although any person can achieve almost anything spiritually within a lifetime with enough perserverance, I guess you could say I've always felt that my natural, base-line spiritual abilities were significantly above average as compared to the other souls on this planet in this reality at this "time". At some point in my studies I learned that as young as six or seven I was doing something with my "imagination" that was actually very powerful, very sound warding against evil spirits. Additionally I get nothing more than a minor cold once every few years, even if I am absolutely surrounded by others with viruses. When I do catch a virus from a person, while they take a week or two and antibiotics to heal, I feel better in a day. My physical injuries also heal twice as fast as most people.

I was always the type of person who, If you told me how something happened, I would ask "well what happened before that?" Big bang? Ok well what was there before that? God? Ok well what was there before that? This of course drove me into the study of metaphysics at a very early age. As young as 11. I've always considered myself a seeker of truth. I would research as many metaphysical and religious views and variations as possible. In summary, my theory was that the empirical summation of all the common factors of all religions and spiritual opinions was the closest thing to the truth that I could find on this world. Naturally, I believe that as time progressed and my education continued I only got closer and closer to the truth.

With Adrian's book, I feel for the first time that this may be the -absolute- truth; that no further searching is needed; all that remains is to advance myself spiritually, now that I have a clear path to take.

Don't worry, I'm almost to the relevance of the topic.

When I was young, when I would have an OBE or a half-OBE-half-lucid-dream sort of thing, along with my lucidity always came the thought "this is great, but surely sometime evil will come and ruin it" or just experience general fear, which would of course manifest something fearful that would force me out of the dream, even if it was nothing but a mass of black-nothingness (which it usually was, since there is hardly anything material that I truly fear). Or I would manage to fly or jump infinitely high, only to at some point realize "uh-oh, eventually I'm going to start falling" and indeed begin to fall.

Since recently reading Adrian's book, I have had several OBE's in relatively short succession. Though my clarity is still inadequate, my composure is greatly improved. I immediately realize what's happened to me, and start "thinking" about what to do next to try to improve my clarity or make this a good experience or whatever. Curiously, in place of the instances where I would become overcome by fear, I now deliberately conjure the "fear" in some materialized form, while at the same time conjuring a means to destory it. And then I do. I then remain in the state free to do as I wish, and work on raising my vibration as high as I can, like exercising a muscle. This is exclusively what I've been doing with my OBE's and astral projections since I still can't see or move clearly enough to do much more.

Fighting my inner demons perhaps? This process seems to be only partly voluntary as conciously I see no need for it and would rather just skip the evil-thing part of an OBE entirely. I expect once I've "slain" enough of these inner demons, I won't need to do this anymore since this is essentially an elementary practice of composure and control.

While I would like feedback on this as well, this is not the ultimate reason for this post, but merely a pre-requisite I think.

Below is the strangest experience I've had yet. It started feeling like a "dream" more or less, but in the dream I was right at my computer, which is in the room I sleep, and my surroundings were entirely clear and accurate to reality, so I guess I was having an etheral experience. While on my computer, conversing with a group of people I know, another real-life person appeared that I know to be a person more spiritually evolved than many people and deserves respect. I do not know this person personally and I did not even interact with this person in my "dream", but as I thought "this person is spiritually evolved" I simultaneously released into a full OBE state. I assume the thought "spiritually evolved" is what triggered me out.

I felt the good vibrational feeling that comes with OBEs, and I could "hear" the vibration that I know (at least, strongly believe) to be my own, which "sounds" like a sort of subtle high-pitched ring, but not in an unpleasant manner. This is typical for me. What was not typical was a second vibration that I felt and heard. It felt very "solid". This vibration was much lower and deeper, with short intervals between. The closest sound I can think of to compare is the slow, low-pitched sound effect used for the "alien transmission" in the movie Contact. Let me point out that I know often during an OBE or pre-OBE people feel such vibrations, as do I, but this felt and sounded different than usual. I immediately thought "the heartbeat of the Earth!", which seemed the correct assumption to me both while out of body and after returning to a fully concious state. Here's the thing though. I live with my girlfriend.

During my OBE, she was already in bed with me, and I heard her call my name physically. So I (and this made me laugh out loud later) clumsily moon-walked back into my body and asked her what was wrong. She replied that she had just seen the devil. I told her that there is no devil but there are spirits that could pretend to be to mess with you. My girlfriend is a relatively negative person, usually assuming things will get worse instead of better (and so they do) and usually thinking with the glass half empty. This may terminate our relationship as I know she is a hindrance to my spiritual evolution but that is another story. I know beyond a doubt that what she saw could not have been myself. But due to her attitude I would not rule out her frequencies attacting... lesser spirits. I guess my ultimate question is, what was this second vibration I felt? Was it the presense of the "evil spirit" she saw in her sleep? Was it just a coincidential dream she had and I WAS feeling the hearbeat of the Earth?  Is it just that my own vibrations are becoming more refined? Was it something else completely? Like I said I still don't have very good "visual" clarity during these experiences, so I could easily miss such a presense, but I am well protected from them and not worried about myself. I'm just looking for discussion to help myself advance and maybe help us all. Think about it. Please offer your feedback. Especially Adrian and others with solid OBE and Astral experience. I would love to hear your opinions.

I've always loved meat. I'm a meat and cheese kind of guy you could say. I always have respected all animals (with exceptions of certain insects, arachnids etc, sorry), but I've always figured, if I don't eat this piece of meat, someone will no matter what I do.

Spiritually I've yet to understand how eating meat is a hindurance, especially because of its sometimes great nutritional value.

Historically, mostly vegetarian cultures have faded out of existence more quickly than omnivorian cultures. Comparing American Indian tribes makes for great examples. Most were spiritually minded groups, but ultimately the physically superior, well nurished tribes survived the others.

I understand that ultimately our energy source (in "3D")  is the sun, and with each step further away from that the efficiency is reduced exponentially; but scientifically, eating meat is an essential part of one's diet.

Vegetarians tend to be weaker and more frail than non-vegetarians. While physical strength isn't directly related to spiritual strength, its seems to me the person with the most sound body also has the most sound mind and spirit.

I have purchased Adrian's book a couple weeks back, and I do not believe I've recieved this particular newsletter. If someone could PM me a copy and/or offer any supplemental reasoning to possibly provide me with a more enlightened view, I would greatly appreciate it.

Like the book says, one popular method is to wake up a couple of hours earlier than usual, stay awake for a bit, then go back to bed. I thought I'd share a story that ellaborates on this.

Several years ago, when I was in middle school, school started at like 7AM. My dad would wake me up to take a shower and get ready etc, at 530. Natually, I wasn't normally going to bed until 1AM, so that's not a full night's sleep. Anyway, after taking my shower, my dad would take his. This was my opportunity to, instead of getting ready like I should, go back to bed and maybe get another 30-45 minutes of sleep in. During this time, I would very frequently have an OBE. I was already at this point a very metaphysically educated person, but didn't really have any knowledge or "training" regarding OBEs, so I would usually be blind etherically, or I'd be able to jump as high as I wanted but then I'd fall frighteningly to the ground, etc. Although I can't remember if it was upon exit or re-entry, I remember a feeling of vibration in my head, a very physical sensation that would start as a buzz, and within a few seconds sometimes feel almost so "hard" that it was actually painful for a fleeting second, and then it would be gone. Also its worth noting that this often happened when i was lying flat on my stomach, arms above my head; not only laying flat on my back.

Anyway, in summation, try waking up early, taking a shower, then going back to bed and try to have an OBE. Good luck.