Physical and spiritual – one?

[melody]

Energy is a unifying principle of everything that is at all the possible levels of existence.

The fabric of the Universe is that of Energy, and thus energy is the primary element of all the planes that exist. Energy emits various levels of vibration. These vibrations, it seems, are able to transmute one into another, and even transmute into the lowest vibration when becoming matter.

Although we live primarily in the physical world of matter, we are bathed in, and even posses inside us various planes of our being’s existence. We basically simultaneously embrace all of the Universe’s energy, including spiritual  - that of God, though we might not be aware of those higher levels of energy in which our being exists all time and at the same time.

Though energy is not taken into consideration when discussing the dimensions of the Universe, but maybe it does play an important part in this regard.

Although we cannot see energy, we can measure it, and we can even visualize its pulsations. So we can measure, and we do have quite precise measuring units for the intensity of X-Rays, of nuclear radiation, of electrical or mechanical power, even of brain waves (EEG machine can measure the intensity of our brain’s waves, and produce a chart that visually illustrates those brain waves). All other types of energy that we can measure we can also illustrate graphically as well, and that is also true of quantum energy.

Granted, we still have not discovered all the energy levels, and have not measured all of them, but as time progresses, we will most likely discover some more energy manifestations around us.

Since we can measure energy and have measuring units for it (as we have for time, for instance), energy therefore is one of the physical principles if existence and of the physical world as we know it. Whether being matter or energy, or changing one into another in succession on the Quantum level, it is one and the same entity that encompasses both things – pulsating and being matter-like. It can manifest (at will?) – as it does during Quantum physics experiments - either one or the other side of its existence. It is possible that at all levels of the Universe’s existence this ability does exist?

How different is spiritual energy from physical energy? A lot of mystics now talk about Quantum physics and tie it to spirituality and the spiritual energy levels of existence.

Although it is said that more spiritual planes of existence are comprised of a higher vibrating energy, but if we, at our physical level of existence supposedly have a power to play and materialize anything we want through LOA, should not the same principle therefore apply to all the levels of existence? So that at any plane, energy can become at will any other energy level that it chooses to be, and then go back to its previous energy level where it was, and do this back and forth as Quarks do in Quantum physics?
If we can play in our physical plane, and cause Quarks to become matter, (objects of our desire?), maybe Quarks can play their own games as well to amuse themselves and God.

Why should not the highest spiritual planes have that playful quality of transformation back and forth into anything they want to be at any time?

Maybe, after all, there is not all that much separation between physical and spiritual energy and levels of existence, and all is really one?

[Werp Weg Alles]

You said it yourself Melody everything is one. All is energy.

Energy vibrates at difference rates but it still energy.  We as well as everything else is energy and is vibrating at a low rate compared to "spiritual energy" as you called it.  Spiritual energy is energy all the same. Everything is one, we are all equal aspects of the source.  We are all thoughts in the mind of God, and experience, grow, and evolve back towards him every "day."

Quanta and energy is influenced by other energy, including our thoughts, the reason everything isn't constantly morphing even if you will it to, is becuase other people, including the business owner, manager, the person that produced it, all subconsciously influence those particular quanta into staying in the shape of a desk, however, some of the energy of the desk can leave and go into another object and later jump back again etc. 

In higher spiritual realms, totally different aspects of energy are present, there nothing is physical per se so  there is no quarks, atoms, electrons, theres no matter.  These things we have classified are all MATTER, matter does not exist in the inner spheres of life and therefore no quarks can change back and forth between things, becuase their are no quarks.  The energy of quanta are still being manipulated by our thoughts in these higher realms, but as we progress we come to realize we don't need things and stuff, and therefore theres simply no material items to be created, no "stuff" to morph back and forth.  There isn't a need here or there, and there we simply have come to terms with it.

And once we have evolved all the way back to the source, we are just energy, and while we can still keep our individual personalities we are energy, in the source.  We finally come to be a part of what we originally were.

Werp

[seen Here]

Hi Melody,

Although it is said that more spiritual planes of existence are comprised of a higher vibrating energy, but if we, at our physical level of existence supposedly have a power to play and materialize anything we want through LOA, should not the same principle therefore apply to all the levels of existence? So that at any plane, energy can become at will any other energy level that it chooses to be, and then go back to its previous energy level where it was, and do this back and forth as Quarks do in Quantum physics?
If we can play in our physical plane, and cause Quarks to become matter, (objects of our desire?), maybe Quarks can play their own games as well to amuse themselves and God.

Why should not the highest spiritual planes have that playful quality of transformation back and forth into anything they want to be at any time?

Maybe, after all, there is not all that much separation between physical and spiritual energy and levels of existence, and all is really one?

I suspect that this plane of being is theoretically just as pliable as the inner or higher realms of existence, but of course it doesn't feel like it! This is because quantum probability waves spread out much more slowly at this lower vibrational level making it feel like we're swimming through treacle. This means that when we encounter problems we can't just think our way out of them as can be done on the so-called astral planes. Instead, we have to develop work-around solutions - and these have the tendency to build character, which is why we choose to incarnate here. Also, because our surroundings are not so instantly responsive to our personal thoughts there is a much more consensual / collective element to the reality we create and this makes us heavily reliant on our collective development.

seen Here

[Werp Weg Alles]

Very True Seen Here,

Excellently put!!!

Werp

[melody]

If God created the physical plane there was a reason for it, and it might not be want we think – to teach us to evolve back. This point of view is very much centered on us, not on God. We tend to see everything, even the spiritual matters, from our own point of view, and very curiously, even when speaking of God and those spiritual matters, we put ourselves at a focal point.


Maybe God had a very different purpose in creating a physical plane than what we are imagined the reason for it to be. Maybe it is not us holding the physical plane together and once we evolve it would disappear – which is, once again, a very egocentric understanding, I believe.

Maybe God created the physical plane because he wanted to admire it, admire his magnificent physical creation. The physical plane is indeed very beautiful, and should be admired and cherished for its beauty, and not perceived only as a means of getting “candies” from God.

[Werp Weg Alles]

Very true, but the astral is even easier to get "candies" in.  And I believe that the source, God, is omnipresent, I think that becuase the source permeates through everything in the physical that we are all truly energy and therefore we can affect different energy by letting God to express himself threw us. 

I think that becuase of this, "bad" stuff happens to us so that we may move on and realize the mistakes we made that caused the situation.  And move closer to evolving back to God.  Experiencing along the way to serve the purpose of universal expansion.

Werp

[Adrian]

Hello everyone,

The physical plane is a plane of learning under conditions that exist nowhere else.

Beyond the physical plane everyone lives in a vibration, or plane, realm, sphere etc. that precisely matched the vibration of their Astral and Mental bodies, and accordingly everyone living on the same plane has vert similar attributes - that is why these inner planes are so harmonious. At the same time they offer few opportunities to evolve because there are few challenges to overcome. Everyone has a similar character, and everything desired can be manifested instantly, that is why the Astral worlds are known as the "desire worlds". it is not until the residents there see material things for the illusion they are, and satiate all material desires can they move onwards and inwards.

The physical world however presents numerous challenges, both due to the physical density of matter and of our physical bodies, and because we co-exist with people with a very wide range of characters and other traits. It is in learning to overcome the challenges of physical matter, and of living in harmony with, and being of service to all others we share the planet with that we evolve in a way that is not possible anywhere else in the Universe. For example it offers the opportunity to subjugate the Ego, service to others before service to self and Unconditional Love.  Living on Earth is an extremely valuable opportunity that everyone should take advantage of.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Werp Weg Alles]

Thank you Adrian
I agree whole heartedly with your wonderful explanation.

If God created the physical plane there was a reason for it, and it might not be want we think – to teach us to evolve back. This point of view is very much centered on us, not on God. We tend to see everything, even the spiritual matters, from our own point of view, and very curiously, even when speaking of God and those spiritual matters, we put ourselves at a focal point.

Melody, if you look at the point that God is omnipresent in all of us, and equally we are in "him."  Then God is constantly experiencing every aspect of life and expanding because he can experience the physical plane through us in a unique way that he can't experience from a minerals perspective for example.  We all are divine aspects of God, a part of him.  And if like attracts like, we'd all end up back with him eventually which is what happens.  But the point I was trying to make is that while sometimes it seems like its centered on us, we are actually equal aspects of God and are helping him to experience everything and evolve back to him becuase that it is who and what we really are.

Werp

[melody]

I think that in the same way we have a sense of separation from other people and other living entities on this planet, we also have a sense of separation between our physical and our spiritual selves which are basically expressions of each other as well as expressions of God.

And in the same way we find it difficult to accept that all the living creatures are one, we have a very hard time accepting that our spiritual and physical existence is one as well.

[melody]

For centuries people have been searching for the Holy Grail. According to Michael Tsarion (he states this in one of the videos mentioned in another post in this forum, with a link to the video provided) the Holy Grail is actually a human body, because it, like a chalice, holds the Holy essence of the God that animates our body - the spiritual God-like spark that is inside all of us. I liked that definition of the Holy Grail. This would also point to the fact that the physical body is filled and interpenetrated with the spirit of God and that both are blended to be one.

[Werp Weg Alles]

I agree Melody! 
God permeates through every part of our being and we truly are a "part" God. 
Recently I was thinking about that guy...whats his name..oh yeah Jesus, thats it.  Anyways, where I was going with that was Jesus repeatedly states how the father is in him, and he is in the father....he also created the prayer which starts out OUR FATHER in heaven, not my father, not Hey this is your only son, but OUR FATHER.  This would mean that OUR father(The same one Jesus has, GOD) is in all his "children"(creations) as much as he was in Jesus.  Which is pretty much the point we've all agreed on here for the last 12 posts, but I just figured I'd through in another tidbit agreeing on it.   

Werp