Newsletter - Reincarnation

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The newsletter of May 20, 2007 discusses reincarnation and the “Wheels of Life”.  The rim of the wheel represents the Earth or “any physical planet where the appropriate environment exists”. Does it mean we could come back – reincarnate - as ETs?

Could the present day ETs be souls who were formerly reincarnated on Earth and are attracted to our planet because of it? Or would they actually be beings reincarnated on Earth because they are right now here with us on Earth? They have been here for a while and some of them might have even been born within the Earth’s environment.

Only people reincarnating as back as people are descussed. In other reading material I came across it was stated that human beings can reincarnate back as animals and even vegetal life form – if they hugely digress in their spiritual development in a previous life. Can a person reincarnate as an animal, or as a tree, or even a rock, for that matter?

It appears each being has a lot of personalities. Our Higher Self splits us into all those personalities and sends us concurrently anywhere in the physical (and Astral or Mental?) world to have various chosen experiences.  Since we reincarnate simultaneously on any planet, is it possible therefore to reincarnate on Earth as a human being and as an ET on another planet during the same physical time? Or do our various personalities reincarnate in sequence in any physical time period?

In case our numerous personalities can reincarnate at the same time in various parallel locations in the Universe, could one aspect of our personality reincarnate as a human being on Earth, and a different personality of our being reincarnate as an ET on some other planet in the physical Universe all at the same physical time? If, consequently, such an ET travels to Earth, could those two personalities of one Higher Self meet? Or even shoot each other if a shootout occurs?

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A quote from the 2007/05/23 newsletter:

“… progression from the Astral is much more difficult due to the lack
of challenges to overcome and situations to deal with, and where a
person can have anything at any time because at that level of
Energy vibration experiential manifestation of thoughts is instant
- The Law of Attraction is very obvious there.”

Does it mean that a person can have something after he or she had thought about it, had wished it, and not having had it before that moment? That would indicate that there is also some type of time continuum even in the Astral worlds.
 

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The "Wheals of Life" was a great image to provide a visual interpretation of the reincarnation concept.

I am quite aware that it would be almost impossible for us to know, on our level of spiritual development, all the laws that govern the reincarnation. Although a lot of sages throughout the ages have devoted themselves to undertanding it, and have left written works for us to read, those might be just bare guidelines of how reincarnation functions, just for us to know that it exists and to be conscious of it. The mechanics of it are probably not as crucial, and are most likely in the realm of the God's prerogatives.

[Werp Weg Alles]

Hello Melody,

In regards to your post of the quote from the 5/23 newsletter...

Those words are almost an exact quote from Our Ultimate Reality, and in the full context I think Adrian meant more along the lines of, in the Astral, you think something, and you can watch and see your desire take form.         Anything you desire can be instantly manifested there because of the finer and much higher energy levels along with a dramatically lower density. By anytime, it simply means, when you decide you want it, you got it. A sense of "time" in the astral is superfluous, a passage in the bible(Jesus was a great teacher, after all, he WAS God, ha, just as much as you or I) anyway, the passage says to God and also in "heaven" a day is like ten thousand years, and ten thousand years like a day, I think that the actual meaning of that would be that time doesn't exist and is not necessary for "survival," like it is in the physical.  In the same way, no one in the mid to upper astral spheres works or has money.  It's simply not needed.

Werp

P.S. You really do seem to be curious about the whole, "Is there time in the astral, or is just the physical" idea haha.  Any specific reason?  In my opinion there is not time in the astral or any spheres of life closer to the source than we are, however, I know that I haven't the SLIGHTEST idea how it would work, or how this can be, a state of "timelessness," seems to me utterly impossible.  But, I accept it as fact not because of a "blind faith" without proof, but because there truly wouldn't be a need for it.  There is no work or jobs or money or any need to decide when you need or want to do something, if you desire it, then you have it in the astral instantly. Also, I believe the time we have now is more for a control by the various Governments and corporations so its inspiring to me to know beyond a doubt that I'll be free from those as well as countless other things when I evolve past the physical illusion of the five senses and "separateness."

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Hello Melody,

... You really do seem to be curious about the whole, "Is there time in the astral, or is just the physical" idea haha.  Any specific reason?... 

Hello Werp,

Actually, I am not only concerned about time existing in the Astral, but also in all the other higher planes beyond the Astral. Let me explain.

Our planet Earth is often referred to as Mother Earth. There is definitely a feminine quality of giving birth to all the vegetation as well as animal life that Earth provides and sustains.

All such birth and growth (for instance, a transformation from a seed fallen onto fertile earth up to the time it becomes a grown up tree) takes time in our physical plane.

Women are more attuned to the time aspect of natural processes taking place in nature, since they carry a child for 9 months. Inside their bodies, they go progressively through all the changes that are required to give a birth. It is a process and it takes time.

All of us have some feminine qualities, including men, but they predominate in women. This is why women are more concerned with the process of such transformation, and that also includes the time necessary for spiritual transformation. It is hard to imagine that such a process as spiritual growth throughout various higher planes actually happens in an instant, because it is said there is no time.

Until very recently, men did not even know that they actually participated directly in creating a new life. The process of insemination is hidden from the eyes, and almost instantaneous. So the masculine part in us, which is more predominant in males, has a tendency to perceive the creation process as instantaneous, not governed by time. Whereas for women, even those who have not gone through the process of giving a birth, the creation process lasts 9 months. Women just have it in their being, in their blood.

It is very curious, indeed, that for you, a man, time on the physical plane only exists as related to man-made institutions and organizations, which were largely created by males. You seem to be blind to the time aspect of the natural processes on Earth – the time of gestation, of growing the crops, of one season following the next, etc.

This is why, being a woman, I am concerned with the process of becoming, the process of transformation. I have a hard time perceiving it as being instantaneous when occurring beyond the physical plane, and not governed by time.

When we leave the physical plane we are not perfect. And even if we are developed enough not to go back into a physical existence, there is still a journey in front of us to reach God. And this journey is not instantaneous. So this is why I am concerned about time.

As for men, for whom the personal act of life creation is so instantaneous, the attraction to the concept of no time is quite innate.

[Werp Weg Alles]

Hello Melody,

I very much agree with that, and you bring up some things I never would have thought of, thank you.

However, you say instantaneous, but once again, thats only a construct of time.  An instant is still a measure of time, as is a second, or a "moment." 

Once in the astral and on the path back towards the source, threw the mental cosmic and celestial spheres etc, I very highly doubt that one could simply blaze threw each of these in a moment, it would be impossible.  But still, instants are a measure of time that we as humans decided to accept and realize and put into our lives(and now because of all the emotions people put behind it, its truly a nonexistent force that exerts a LOT of power over LOTS of people), so once we get past the five physical senses, we'll sense things in different ways and time won't exist.

Like I said, in the astral and beyond, there simply will not be a need to spend "time" here, or this many hours over there, because travel is instantaneous, and when you desire something you have it.  After enough "time" in the astral, you either reincarnate, or, you realize the desires for what they are and you progress inwards to the mental sphere of life leaving the astral body behind.  All this most definitely cannot be accomplished in an, "instant" of earth time, however even instants seconds and moments do not exist in the astral or indeed any sphere of life besides the physical one of "frozen light"(light of the divine source, God, not physical light) that we currently reside.

I still can't picture life without time, without any measurement of instants, minutes, hours, days, years...etc and so on.  But I still feel that is how it is in the inner spheres.

Oh, in regards to the conception and creation process you listed below, how true.  Souls who have currently been reincarnated as a male certainly don't realize or for that matter take notice of the creation of a new child, what it feels like, how it must be for women.  However, I've always viewed our mind in this type of a way, the conscious mind(10% of our total mind) the "buffer" between us and reality I feel is the masculine portion of our brain.  That in turn would leave the subconscious(90% of the total mind) the part that manifests whatever our conscious brain tells us we need, to be feminine. It's interesting to note here that its the same as it is in the creation of a child, to the conscious mind all creation is is imagining something putting some emotion behind it, and then being open to receiving it with gratefulness. Almost "instantaneous," as is conception to males, however we are not aware of the feminine aspect of this "instantaneous" process, the feminine aspect that receives our thought starts manifesting it in the inner spheres from the energy from the source, the infinite mind, and then continues to put more energy into it, until finally it can be viewed here on this dense low energy plane of existence.  During that time the male masculine part of the brain had only to think it.  The same thing happens with the conception of a child.  And I doubt that, that will ever change.  But I still feel that creation does take "time," as will all of our eventual evolutions, but its only "time," as measured in earth. In the inner spheres, there simply is no time.

Werp

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Hello Melody,

... However, you say instantaneous, but once again, thats only a construct of time.  An instant is still a measure of time, as is a second, or a "moment." 

Once in the astral and on the path back towards the source, threw the mental cosmic and celestial spheres etc, I very highly doubt that one could simply blaze threw each of these in a moment, it would be impossible.  But still, instants are a measure of time that we as humans decided to accept and realize and put into our lives(and now because of all the emotions people put behind it, its truly a nonexistent force that exerts a LOT of power over LOTS of people), so once we get past the five physical senses, we'll sense things in different ways and time won't exist.

Like I said, in the astral and beyond, there simply will not be a need to spend "time" here, or this many hours over there, because travel is instantaneous, and when you desire something you have it.  After enough "time" in the astral, you either reincarnate, or, you realize the desires for what they are and you progress inwards to the mental sphere of life leaving the astral body behind.  All this most definitely cannot be accomplished in an, "instant" of earth time, however even instants seconds and moments do not exist in the astral or indeed any sphere of life besides the physical one of "frozen light"(light of the divine source, God, not physical light) that we currently reside.

I still can't picture life without time, without any measurement of instants, minutes, hours, days, years...etc and so on.  But I still feel that is how it is in the inner spheres.

...  But I still feel that creation does take "time," as will all of our eventual evolutions, but its only "time," as measured in earth. In the inner spheres, there simply is no time.

Werp

Hello Werp,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Any instant change of any sort, regardless where it takes place, whether in the physical, astral, or any other plane, where something happens that had not existed before, and then in an instant (and you are absolutely right, an instant is a measure of time) the situation changes and a new situation exist, any such change is an expression of time. If time had not existed, or was frozen as light, no change would be possible.

If one desires something in the Astral that one does not have, and this desire materializes in an instant, that instant is time. And the fact that the desired object did not exist an instant before that and exists an instant after, is also an expression of time. Any before and after, even if it only took an instat to change is an expression of time. So in this particular situation, several elements of time are present

1. Before, when the desired object did not exist.
2. The instant that it took the thought to formulate the desired object.
3. The instant that it took to materialize that desire.
4. The after - now that object that had not existed before does exist.

This is really quite a linear progression of the time continuum, regardless of the fact that the materialization of the desired object only took an instant, whereas it would have taken much longer in the physical plane.

The time between the thought and the materialization of the desired object is drastically shortened in the Astral, as compared in the physical plane, but it seams to be still governed by the same linear time, as on Earth.

"After enough 'time' in the Astral" - that's also Time... 

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A sense of "time" in the astral is superfluous, a passage in the bible(Jesus was a great teacher, after all, he WAS God, ha, just as much as you or I) anyway, the passage says to God and also in "heaven" a day is like ten thousand years, and ten thousand years like a day, I think that the actual meaning of that would be that time doesn't exist

Hello Warp,

When one meditates, one looses perception of time and "time does not exist". Yet, nevertheless, time exists all around the meditating person and his body and bodily processes are still governed by it.

Maybe in the Astral one also similarly looses the perception of time, but still exists in some type of time dimension.

The fact one can think of something and achieve it instantaneously maybe should be referred to as "an instant gratification or materialization of desires principle in the Astral", rather than attributing this to nonexistence of time. The mere fact that some condition has changed and something new exists after an instant materialization is a "before and after" and therefore Time.

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Hmmm.

I do not know.  As neither do you, or anyone else.  I suppose there could be simpy a loss of awareness.  But the so called, law of eternal now states otherwise.  This is just a short reply as I'm running out the door, I'll have to think more later. Ha.

All the best, for now,

Werp

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Hm,

I seem to be at a standstill to our discussion here.  I can't think of anything to counter that, the only real hard evidence I have all comes from the Our Ultimate Reality, and I obviously, the same as you, cannot know for sure what happens.

However, if time doesn't exist, your still thinking of before and after.  And if time their truly didn't exist, there wouldn't be a before and after at all.  And, I was wondering, isn't the astral all divided into higher(inner) and lower(outer) spheres/planes, and if thats the case, there wouldn't really be planets or any celestial body to monitor to have a normal, steady, constant source from which to base a time system on.  Would/is there?

Werp 

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The fact one can think of something and achieve it instantaneously maybe should be referred to as "an instant gratification or materialization of desires principle in the Astral

Actually, I realized that one cannot have any materialization in the Astral, since Astral is a non-material, non-physical plane. Maybe it should be called "instant astralization"  ?

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Haha,

Very good observation indeed. 

I was looking again through Our Ultimate Reality and found a few places where it said about how the astral was free from space time and etc....but now that I'm looking for them to paste a few lines in here, I can't seem to be able to get at them.....ugh.  Oh well.  I guess I'll suffice it to say that we're agreeing to disagree 

Werp