More evidence of Awakening

[zensunni7]

Hello Melody,

I do not know the system itself. I belong to this group but do not purchase their products. I just for the most part like what they have to say and what they are doing. I have meditated for a long time, but do not believe it is a requirement in this present time. Many things can occur faster than even a year ago. As I said deep prayer can achieve the same, it is about our intent the purity of the energy while engaged at these tones of energy.
When the sun goes down and the eyes close it is what we believe the system will do for us that actually creates the result in reality.

Darrell

[zensunni7]

It is like this,
The inner view is the same as the outer.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMZETRh8iOw&feature=related

[Larry]

         Thank You Darrell, I Am at Home with You.     Love, Larry

[Talker]

Re: Christ an “Initiate”?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2007, 13:53:46 »
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Quote from: melody on November 11, 2007, 11:44:27

Bible claims that Jesus was a son of God, i.e. a materialization of God on this planet. Basically Jesus was God himself. Being God, he did not need to be initiated. He had the same creative powers as God.

Therefore, in my opinion, Christ was not a mere human being or an initiate.
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Hello Melody,
Interesting points of view. Thank you. Have long sought answers to my various thoughts on this subject, and did post those thoughts, on my blogs. My own thoughts and beliefs however, vary considerably from what you posted. i respect your view points and opinion. During my stressful and forbidden forays into the bible, certain aspects made no sense. Will for this post stay close to your quoted statements. I believe that we are all materialization's of the Divine Spark. We need only, and that is a big only, to reawaken that knowing of it. My thoughts were that if Jesus, was as the bible states, born, as God, than there is no hope for mankind. But if Jesus was born as an ordinary human in that sense of the word, there is still hope for mankind. If one "mere" human could achieve that magnificent elevated state, why not another "mere" human, also doing so. Do realize that this is not the accepted reasoning of many, but to me it does make sense. If God, born into this physical world, as Jesus, and leading to the conditions that prevail, what hope is there! If, as with my way of thinking, Jesus achieved and performed, as the bible states, then there is hope for mankinds progress. Some of my reasoning is based on a statement supposedly made by Jesus. In John 14:12-14, "will also do the works that I do, and greater works will he do". My reading of that statement, caused me to take a deep and hard look at the implications involved with it. Did that mean we would do greater things than God! Maybe! I don't think so, though. Did it, perhaps, mean that we all could achieve what Jesus did under the prevailing circumstances! Seems more logical, that we can advance to what Jesus achieved, if we choose to do so.It seems that at this point, is where mankind, has fumbled so to speak.The lessons Jesus laid out for us, falls on many deaf ears.
Now, I'm not a biblical scholar, nor do I pretend to be one, and when I read what the experts say diversly, about the bible, wouldn't want to be one. I'll just stick with what I call "applied common sense", and the "feeling tones" of that. 
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Stated my thoughts in the above post.
Issue in question:
Was 'Jesus born as 'God!''
            OR
Was Jesus born as man, with the God Spark within, like us!

Regard December 25, as the birth date of Jesus, there is controversy. While doing research in horoscopes, came across this information. Johannes Kepler and Orson Pratt both astronomers of some note, indicated that their research showed that the spring season ( April 11 ) was more accurate as the birth date of Jesus. Need to re-verify, but do believe, that Edgar Cayce mentions that time period also.
Don't see April 11, being celebrated in place of December 25, though.
Be Well

[melody]

Joh 14:12  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do

I find it amazing that everybody tends to understand under the “the works that I do, and greater works will he do” only all the miraculous thing Jesus performed, disregarding that the main ’works’ of the of Jesus’ ministry were not miracles he performed but his teaching about ‘the kingdom of God’.

Jesus propagated his teaching for about 3 years and accomplished something, but not a lot. The above statement to the disciples meant that if they continue to propagate his teachings after his crucifixion, they will accomplish much more than he did. At the final analysis, they were able to spread the teachings. Christianity is a major religion that still teaches Jesus’ basic principles. Great many people still find spiritual nourishment in those teachings, regardless of the fact that they might not have been preserved in their purest form throughout those many centuries. These are really works that Jesus spoke about, and not performing miracles.

And the spiritual nourishment that people get from reading his preserved parables raises their vibrations and puts them in to a higher spiritual realm., thus putting them a stem closer to the kingdom of God.

[melody]

My thoughts were that if Jesus, was as the bible states, born, as God, than there is no hope for mankind. But if Jesus was born as an ordinary human in that sense of the word, there is still hope for mankind. If one "mere" human could achieve that magnificent elevated state, why not another "mere" human, also doing so.

Talker,

Jesus was not born as God. He was God born as human. That’s a big difference.

I do not very much follow your logic about there being no hope for the humanity if Jesus was God born as human. He was human in flesh and God in spirit. And this is what humans on Earth should be, He came in human flesh to show us how we should be, and he left us with wisdom that can help us to raise our vibrations if we ponder about the truth of his parables and other teachings. Many people on this Earth were able to transform themselves as human beings just by reading the Bible, taking it to heart, and following the precepts about how to get closer to the ‘kingdom of God’.

A role model is a very powerful thing, telling us in no uncertain terms that there is hope for humanity, of being just like Jesus - “He that believeth on me”.

Regard December 25, as the birth date of Jesus, there is controversy. While doing research in horoscopes, came across this information. Johannes Kepler and Orson Pratt both astronomers of some note, indicated that their research showed that the spring season ( April 11 ) was more accurate as the birth date of Jesus. Need to re-verify, but do believe, that Edgar Cayce mentions that time period also.
Don't see April 11, being celebrated in place of December 25, though.

Here is one of the articles that deals with the descrepancies of the Biblical account of the birth of Jesus and us celebratin it on Dec 25.

http://www.xanga.com/ChristmasXmas/395124709/item.html

But as I said before, any day is a good day to celebrate Jesus birthday if we do not know the exact date.

[Talker]

Hi Melody and All,

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do

I've gone through this statement many time, endeavoring to grasp the full depth of the meaning. As I have come to experience this issue, it's true impact is overlooked. From the pulpit on out to the masses, people will talk, "Jesus and his teachings". Said teachings are highly valued by me, and are incorporated into my activities. Now, and I repeat, as in the original thread, from what level of (action) was Jesus functioning from!

Stated my thoughts in the above post. Issue in question:
           Was 'Jesus born as 'God!''
                            OR
           Was Jesus born as man, with the God Spark within, like us!

In the original thread, you stated:

Quote from: melody on November 11, 2007, 11:44:27

Bible claims that Jesus was a son of God, i.e. a materialization of God on this planet. Basically Jesus was God himself. Being God, he did not need to be initiated. He had the same creative powers as God.

Therefore, in my opinion, Christ was not a mere human being or an initiate.

You've again used the bible as the final word to eliminate discussion. I do not accept the bible as the final word, and cover the 'why I don't' in my blog posts and in this forum.
There is also the issue you introduced by replacing the name of 'Jesus' with the word 'Christ', and as you state: "Christ was not a mere human being or an initiate." That is a very confusing statement, as we all, can wear the mantle of 'Christ'.  If you had stated "Jesus was not a mere human being or an initiate", would have been more appropriate to the conversation. Then my statement would allow a meaningful exchange of viewpoints.

Quote from: Talker link=topic=507.msg2839#msg2839
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If one "mere" human could achieve that magnificent elevated state,
why not another "mere" human, also doing so.

The intermingling of the words (Jesus, Christ, man, and God) as you've used them, is, to me, comparing apples, clouds, mountains and oceans, making it difficult to express a point.
It is not my intent to offend you, goodness no.
Lest you believe, that I'm anything but sincere, I find it delightfull to exchange points of views with you.  Just a desire to establish a common ground upon which meaningful exchanges can take place. I enjoy reading your points of view. Obviously we have different points of views regards the bible, and as stated in my blog posts, "I had tossed out all use of the bible". When I realized that I had also 'tossed the baby out with the bath water', a profound change of heart took place. But do I accept the bible as the final word, belief wise, no. Some have even stated that I'm 'cherry picking' the bible to my own advantage. Not so. There is much to be be gleaned from the bible, and was my 'ahaa and profound change of heart'.
I would be pleased to walk the path with you, as we exchanged points of view.

[melody]

Hello Talker,

Yes, I do use Jesus and Christ interchangeably because of such and many similar statements in the Bible

Mat 13:15  For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Why is it not 'and they will heal themselves', or 'God will heal them'?

You might claim that the text was corrupted and the Bible is not the ultimate authority, and it is your prerogative to believe so. But then what or who is the ultimate authority?

By saying "I should heal them" Jesus basically reiterates he is God to do so, to do the healing.
He claims as well that he is the one who gives Eternal Life - health and healing being one aspect of life principle.

Joh 3:15  That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 10:28  And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

[melody]

As Expressions of God it is for us to Evolve ever Closer to God through the process of Perfection until we Ultimately Approach Source, God, in a corresponding state of Perfection. And that is the Ultimate Meaning of Life.

God Became Man So Man Can Become God

As in my signature at the end of each post. But of course includes Women - except that "gender" is simply a convenience of the material World.

Hello Adrian,

You have changed your signature to God Became Human so that Human Can Become God. From your today's newletter it is very clear that you do not believe that God became man as Jesus Christ. You beleive Jesus was conceived under unfortunate circumstances in quite usual human way. So to who do you actually refer in your signature? It is not Jesus, that's for sure. And it is not human in general because God did not have to fall and become lowly human in order to become God. He has always been, is and always will be God.