More evidence of Awakening

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Adrian, Melody

Regardless of historical circumstances of what was there and what wasn’t the truth can only be found within. I am saying does it matter? Melody, Adrian does it really matter ?!? – beyond our understanding that a frame of reference is needed for a belief.
In my humble opinion this subject should not even come into the argumentative sphere of spiritual people.

As a matter of interest - do you accept the fact his name was Yesuha?

Adrian! I honestly can’t believe that you just said that.
Or, perhaps my spiritual experience is so different?
The ‘facts’ never led me on spiritual path, the facts always led me back in this material existence. That part of the brain that always asks… questions… tries to convince… that part of the brain is always concerned only with ‘facts’.

Here are semantic facts I hope it satisfies you:
http://www.plim.org/JesusOrigin.htm


….

Thoughts

This Christmas morning I woke up and went to church, arriving at the end of the 1st mass. As having fulfilled my 40 day vegan challenge I just had the need to be in there, after all is something that I was never able to do until now, in spite of my parents example. So at least for their sake I needed to be in church although the harsh winter was hardly conducive of leaving my warm and cozy house.

It is a church built to look very much like an ark upside down, and is all wood inside, at times you might just feel it will take up and fly. I have been in my life in many churches – this one just has something special about it. Perhaps the most astounding feature it is its simplicity. There is nothing extra or wasted, and live plants – this time of the year poinsettias – are what brings life inside. I preferred being left almost alone in there as is a great place to just sit and be within. And is very easy to experience amnesia in there – forgetting what church is about.

I was looking in my cozy and peaceful loneliness at the central decorative piece. A magnificent sculpture of Jesus on cross at his last hour – usually I sit on the side!!.
I don’t like having that in my full view.
Today I was seated at the centre and I faced it, and as about every time I felt like an alien wondering at humanity obsession to have on display its God killed up on a cross.
Is almost creepy as looking up all I see is a dead cadaver hanged up there.
I mean we celebrate Christmas – the birth of a baby…and there it is the grown up baby’s desecrated body, dead, hanged up sprawled in a way that makes me nauseated. What’s wrong with us? Because if I’m All and in need to experience all aspects I can’t help asking myself: what’s wrong with ME. I mean I can’t swap a fruit fly, yet there it is in front of me, the dead Jesus or Yesuha or Hristos  some part of me must have taken joy in doing that…

One of the most commonly sung tune in church is: “eat my flesh, eat my blood..” Even if I make the mental exercise and see the flesh and blood as energy STILL I don’t want to do it, I don’t feel like eating Christ’s flesh. I do not feel holly, I do not feel elated facing that dead Christ, all I feel is shame and sadness as how come we as a conscious race of people can be capable of such thing. I feel dead to the LOVE. Nausea…

God Became Man So Man Can Become God

Perhaps becoming aware of that nausea helps me become God?!? I remember when I gave up on eating meat, in time I become horrified at myself having been capable of eating flesh…killing… getting on with my life after… 

When I pray and Jesus/Christ comes to my mind and focus all I feel is a loving presence wrapping around me. My Christ experience has nothing to do with that cadaver on the cross.

If in the past I could look at it and not feel anything and be just the same, just having the feeling that I’ve been to the church and did my duty and is all good now and I can go merrily on my way and about as noting happened …I’m not the same person anymore.

Adrian I sure hope that poll means this. I sure hope that those poled people having experienced a removal from traditional religion can also reach the insight that is not okay, to be stuck in venerating a cadaver. Which is what eventually we all become, sooner or later - unless we figure out on how to by-pass death. 


I wish you all a very LOVING Christmas (and I will not even start to comment on the facts of …hmmm was Yesuha really born on Dec 25th? Or January 7th …lol.. I honestly don’t concern myself with these facts – actually I never think I ever did beyond the fun of it)

Love – Laura

[sativaguitar]

I'm startin to think Jesus and most of christiantity is a total con job and a complete rip of of previous religions. I would never base my life or sprituality on something with so many holes in it.It is actually relativly speaking quite a new concept. And I 'm startin also to think that Jesus is only popular through very controlled and very very dominating cultures. This may be a very basic idea of mine. Jesus was a trained being so there was always someone more connected ( or at a higher vib) above him and percentage wise I would say a good many more to. When something is " advertised " so blatently is there really any wonder why this has almost become a truth when it has such a totally flawed history. Come on ....What do you think of Krishna and others and so on way before christ . the teachings are the same concept. I think a few are hangin on to their christ is your only savior routine.Dec 25th is a rip off of many religions before as well as most of the so called story. Give me a break seriously.... God is within and Jesus is not at the top of the pile in informing the world of this. Christianity is actually turning people away from the source and with all the info on this topic I can't believe people keep goin on about Jesus.I actually think it may be holding you back...it's a con. There is more to a connection with the god force than constantly only jesus. Gary

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Gary,

Have you ever read the Bible I mean the whole book of about 1400 pages? I mean read it for both historical information and inner reflection. Forget about what whomever said - there might be a priest, or a minister with his personal uptake and/or interpretation in the matter.
With all due respect the question is.. . do you feel you are making an informed opinion? from other posts I read you do feel very strong about a lot of topics, actually. Healing is also found within.



love - Laura

[sativaguitar]

Yes I have since i was 13 bout 7 times over. I have also followed where and when and who etc and it does not add up. yes there are some repeated truths stripped from previous eras but as a whole it has so many misinterpretations it's almost a lucky dip. The truths that are in it come from along time before the bible got hold of them. I have no problems with the truths but I'd rather get them from the original source not from re hashed previous cultures. Yes I may have strong views but then so do you but more when christianity is involved. I don't follow ideas I follow truth and information without a pre programmed view. If you have a belief system to defend you are already stuck. Follow truth and information and find your own way . Thats for me any way. With love and a genuine respect for the freedom of choice but the rabbit hole goes much deeper thatn jesus. Gary

[sativaguitar]

also i would suggest that reading the whole bible might leave one somewhat shocked.If you take it non symbolically gods vengence in the bible is disgusting and nothing to do with love and the true source, The one. the all that is etc. But it is symbolic and thats a relief lol. but none the less stolen from previous cultures.

[Leila]

Hi, dear Laura!

I honestly don’t concern myself with these facts – actually I never think I ever did beyond the fun of it)

You speak with my words!
I noticed from my first posts that strange issues are debated here, with lot of energy.
Is everybody at peace with the world? Don't you have unbelievable life challenges to overcome on your path to becoming Whole? I'd love reading your most intimate thaughts, feelings, life experiences, so I can learn from your wisdom.

I can sleep perfectly not knowing when Jesus was born, and which is his real name. But I hardly can sleep when Love energy floods my Being.

I can be called a naive person. I'm one of those blessed people who hear and believe, trust and Love without seeing, if it feels true to my intuition. (fericiti cei ce cred fara a vedea).
I never see evil in anybody, I don't expect to be cheated, don't presume that people lie.

If sounds to me sincere, I believe what they say. So was with that extraordinary Indian, Paramahansa Yogananda, who described in detail his life experiences, guided by complete faith in God's help. I believed, although what he wrote can drive others insane.
The same with Adrian. I trust him and feel he is right. If he states he experienced something, I believe it is true and possibe.

But I respect completely your opinions, and will read as much as I can.

In Love and Light,
Leila

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Everyone,

Laura, thank you for your heartfelt sharing. I agree it is about not getting entangled in all the meanings and Being in the Silent space, the moment, the Presence of Being.

It has been wonderful for me to realize that all the Masters are symbols of Unity with Source. That's our connection. Oneness.

Love expressing and expanding like breathing. Breathe Love in, Breathe Love out...

I agree with you too Leila, about not concerning oneself with these facts so much as in seriousness, just InJoying the fun of playing with it.

After all the fun, we realize we are all One and at home with one another. Keep it Light Hearted in essence. We can play with all the characters we have created and know that All is Well. Wouldn't leave a One out. All are included.

Variety is the spice of life...

To our Never Ending Story of Love,

Julia

[melody]

Dear Melody,

I think it is somewhat presumptuous to think that Yeshua found his baby stories to be of any interest even if in fact he was told himself. He joined the Essenes probably at Qumran from a very young age. That is where he learned "The Lords Prayer".

As for his year and date of birth - Yeshua was born in the reign of King Herod who died around 4 BCE - 4 years before Christ. So Yeshua must have been born at least 400 years before his "official" Roman birthday. Pontius Pilate, a Roman Prefect between 26 and 36 CE to coincide with the Roman myth of Jesus.

The whole Jesus birth myth is so full of holes it could be a cullender

But you must be prepared to take a highly objective and look at the history of the region around the time first.

As a matter of interest - do you accept the fact his name was Yesuha? And what do you believe Constantine's motive was for creating the Roman Church?

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
 

Hello Adrian,

You do tell us about yourself, and Adrian Life Story? is one of the most popular threads for visitors to this forum to read. The disciples had also known the Jesus' brothers and his mother and mothers are always very proud to talk about their sons, especially somebody as gifted and charismatic and spiritually evolved like Jesus.

Nevertheless, the interpretation that Jesus was born on Dec. 25 is most likely a made up story, and I wrote about it and why Constantine had adopted Christianity in another post a while back.

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/science-of-being-t647.0.html;msg4189#msg4189

I don't consider the exact facts of Jesus birth or his exact name in Hebrew to be of much importance. This, afterall, happened so long ago! It is amazing that the recollections of that time exist at all, and have survived to our time so we know and can celebrate Christ birth, even if it is on the wrong day of the year.

I think you made a typing mistake, 4 years, not 400 years? 

The Gregorian calendar now in use came from Julian calendar which was introduced about 46-45 BC by Julius Cesar. So it might not portray precisely the year of the birth of the Christ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar
http://www.webexhibits.org/calendars/calendar-christian.html#anchor-julian-calendar

Although there might be general confusion about such issues, I really consider this to be of no consequence as to who Jesus Christ was and what he taught humanity.

[Adrian]

Dear Melody,

Although there might be general confusion about such issues, I really consider this to be of no consequence as to who Jesus Christ was and what he taught humanity.

I totally agree - but around a billion other people also need to realise that Truth.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[zensunni7]

http://www.dimensionalconsciousness.com/choose-to-awaken

Love

Darrell

[Larry]

Dear Darrell, Thank You. I love You.  Larry

[melody]

Hello Darrell,

Did you try to do the multi-dimensional meditation this video talks about?

[juliainkc]

http://www.dimensionalconsciousness.com/choose-to-awaken

Love

Darrell

Namaste Darrell. Words do not express ...


I love you and All,

Thank you for sharing this with All of us,

Julia

[zensunni7]

Greetings EveryOne,

Meditating across decades with a sense of disciplined purpose evolves it to multi-dimensional meditation. Just as person that prays daily with sincerity and Love - real Love do feeling - reverence, will achieve a state of multi-dimensional awareness also.
Once felt, there is no separation of them, it is just an expanded awareness, as if walking through a tunnel and entering a cave without the ability to se its size and grandness. The ' big picture ' as they say.
It is the meditation that does not cease when we open the eyes again.
It brings a sense of the Sacred into your perception and one cannot return to ever being the same as before the experience, it is not desired or possible, because you realize there is no ' back ' and there never was.

Love
Darrell

[melody]

Hello Darrell,

As you must know, it often takes a very long time to achieve the experience you are describing. I simply thought that you might be familiar with the particular multi-dimensional meditation system alluded to in the video, and maybe it has some shortcut to achieve the state you described. I saw some video testimonials with people attesting to this meditation system efficacy.