Mind or Unconditional Love?

[melody]

What is a higher energy, that of Universal Mind or that of Unconditional Love that is of a heart, rather than of a mind.

A lot of people equate God with Unconditional Love, and say he is Love. Or is He Mind?

Is the Universe ruled by a Mind or by Unconditional Love as its highest principle?

   

[Werp Weg Alles]

Great question.

I wish I knew the exact answer..

Ha.  Anyway, in my understanding at this time, everything in the universe is mind, we are all thoughts in the mind of the source, God.  Everything therefore is a thought, and therefore is mind.  However the universe(not just physical) is in a constant state of expansion, and in the inner spheres, peace and harmony.  The source, God, created all of us as equal aspects of itself, to experience the entire universe that is all a part of the source.  It did this out of LOVE, the actual God, source, loves everything unconditionally becuase it is all itself, everything without exception is one, therefore, by hating someone or something you are only hating yourself and nothing good can come of it.  But by loving everything and everyone you are vibrating in harmony with the first cause, God.  God is mind, he/she/it is pure intelligent energy(mind) but vibrates in a state of unconditional love for all of its creation that is slowly but surely evolving back to it.

Love is not truly of the heart, but takes place in mind, becuase everything without exception is mind.

The universe is mind, everything in it, is mind.  Unconditional love is a state of being, a sate of vibrating in harmony with the universe so that its expansion can occur in the way it wants and in turn allowing you to live a truly blessed life. 

I think??

Ha.

Werp

[melody]

Unconditional Love, just as any emotion of love is a feeling. It is not a thought. Mind only produces thoughts.

Esoteric teachings say that feelings and thoughts reside in two different planes,  one with higher vibrations and the other with lower vibrations.

So is God a Thought or Unconditional Love? If it is both, then he is not a one highest vibrational field there could be, but actually two.

[Werp Weg Alles]

Everything is mind.  Not thought, the physical and the universe is a thought in the mind of God, but is in itself mind.  Feelings that we experience are therefore still mind, not thought.  Mind.  God never was a thought, nor is he unconditional love.  He is the source, pure intelligent vibrating energy, who vibrates at the same frequency as does true, unwavering unconditional love, becuase he has created everything and is watching us all evolve back towards him. 

Or maybe it is two.  Esoteric teachings very easily could be right.  Which specific ones were you looking at?  Which, thoughts or feelings, did it say had the higher vibrations?  In my opinion feelings are still thoughts, or mind.  I mean when you think happy joyful thoughts you feel happy and joyful, thoughts influence feelings, and likewise if your feeling sick, its a lot harder to think happy and joyfully, so feelings influence thoughts.  I feel they are one in the same. 

But of course its very likely that it is two separate entities and that they reside in or at different vibrations.  However, God is still not a thought, but pure intelligent energy, who in his mind holds the thoughts of the universe and everyone of us.  We and everything else is an equal aspect of this, so when we vibrate closer to emotions that he puts forth, we become more and more enlightened and are able to "evolve" more. 

Werp

[oneness]

Hello Melody,

Love is ..our ORIGINAL FORM.
It's source..It's the energy, bonding us to each other..to nature ...to universe.,

Thoughts, are the production of mind..It's an eguipment or a tool..The effects depend on ,HOW WE USE İT..
We can , able to use thoughts ; to give harm to ourselves..because by the effects of our thoughts ..we have emotions..And emotions are very important..You must have heard about Mr.Emato's experiments..with water ..
The shapes of water crystals can change,according to the thoughts of love or fear given to them..(or by another unnatural thoughts) ..And % 70 of our body is water..

If we are not aware ,what is giong on..with the effects of good thoughts..we can be closer to LOVE..We can use good thoughts which was produced with our minds in the best way..because leads us to good emotions..and with the result of good emotions ..high vibrations of energy..which serve to our innerside..the energy of LOVE..

But if we aware ; WE DON'T NEED THOUGHTS..
Because we are LOVE...So we don't need any tools ,to carry us there.. We don't need any effort...

Our minds ,talks too much ...Tries us ; to  remember past's accounts and the anxiety of the future...Yes, we accept our mind ..Yes,it's a real part of us..we are very thankful to it..Especially in our daily life,we must use it...when its needed...Because,we are the boss..not the slaves of our EGO's..(production of mind ..and leading us thoughts)..

We are LOVE..we must just 'TO BE'...The empty space is ..LOVE..

I prefer to mention...'I'M EXİST ...BECAUSE I'M NOT THİNKİNG'..

Just the opposite,of a French Thinker's saying ..I'M THİNKİNG ,SO I'M EXİST...


ONENESS

p.s: Sorry ,for my english..sometimes I may not,define my feelings properly..
 

[Werp Weg Alles]

Hello Oneness,

And thank you for your wonderful take on our discussion.

There really is NO need to apologize, I think its wonderful we can conquer the language barrier and that we can all share our ideas.

I agree that the physical mind can be irksome, but our subconscious is linked with the universal mind and in my opinion is the tool which grants us the power to create our reality, and be being in a state of unconditional love, this allows us to use this power more readily, becuase the more we love, the more we realize, we are in everything, and everything is in us.

Werp

[melody]

Esoteric teachings very easily could be right.  Which specific ones were you looking at?  Which, thoughts or feelings, did it say had the higher vibrations? 

Hello Werp,

This website, for instance, speaks of various subtle bodies (which really connect to those same energy planes), and the emotional body is considered to be more crude than mental. It is claimed that the same sequence of vibrational bodies exists at the realized level, thus the emotional again being below mental.

Choose various bodies at the upper left corner.

http://www.kheper.net/topics/subtlebody/BAB-cosmic.html

[melody]

Love is ..our ORIGINAL FORM.
It's source..It's the energy, bonding us to each other..to nature ...to universe.,

Hello Oneness,

You said it beautifully! It makes my heart sing!   

I very much would like to believe that the origin of everything that is, is Love. It should be really the origin of human life as well, not sex or thought.

Love is the most electrifying emotion of the highest order there can be. A though by itself, with no emotion attached to it, is a rather cold entity.

I do not perceive the thought and emotion, even the highest one of love, being one and the same thing. One can think of an emotion and then the emotion will spring up, but once you feel it, it is no longer a thought. If the original thought goes away, the feeling - the emotion still remains.

The opposite can happen as well. You feel something, and that leads to a thought.

So yes, indeed, I would very much prefer if Love was the primal and the highest energy in the Universe!   

[melody]

Maybe people create so much misery on this planet because most of them were not conceived with the totally harmonious, joyous, and strongly vibrating Love, but rather with a physical pleasure principle, and at times, regrettably, even with rape.

Not having those vibrations during conception and later during gestation, such people do not vibrate in total harmony, joy and love, and thus they bring disharmony into this world.

For those who have children, it might be an interesting exercise to go back, trying to remember the feelings experienced when creating those children. If a child is having problems, the origin of the disharmony might not lie with the child…

[oneness]

Hello Melody,

I could not reply,your last message that; ' You would prefer ,LOVE as a primal and highest energy in the Universe '...

Me too..with a little difference not only prefer...but I know..The life learnt me,with many dramas and experiences..How lucky I'm !
If I remember right ,I've read an article in one of your mails..About a doctor from Hawaii ..whose treatments was depending on LOVE..

When I read the interwievs,I thought the knowledge is universal...in all over the world ...For the people ,who RE-MİNDS the reality..and I     
experienced many times for myself in different subjects..I beleive everything depends on LOVE..Health ,relationships,joy,peace,financial situation..

Loving ourselves is the main point..Perhaps, oneday we can discuss WHAT İS LOVE ??

About emotions and thoughts...not so important which is leading which..All I know is ; we can change our perceptions of mind ..with many ways..By the help of self- hipnosis ,hypnosis or EFT (Emotional freedom technics)..

I'm using both ; for myself, my family and for my patients..It works ,unbeleiveable..Of course ,they are different topics..but perhaps,you can search ,if you wish...


 

[melody]

Hello Melody,

If I remember right ,I've read an article in one of your mails..About a doctor from Hawaii ..whose treatments was depending on LOVE..

When I read the interwievs,I thought the knowledge is universal...in all over the world ... I beleive everything depends on LOVE..Health ,relationships,joy,peace,financial situation..

Loving ourselves is the main point..Perhaps, oneday we can discuss WHAT İS LOVE ??

Hello Oneness,

The article you mentioned about the Hawaiian doctor who heals with love appears in the Abundance and Health section of this forum under "Healing with Love and Forgiveness - Hawaiian Ho'oponopono". When I first read it, I was truly amazed how powerful Love is, and what tremendous changes one can make with it. It is indeed the most powerfully vibrating energy.

As for discussing one day WHAT IS LOVE??, no day is as good as today.   

I invite you to start a new discussion topic under this title. It would be really interesting to see what people think of Love. They might not even consider it at all in their lives.

[melody]

It is only on Earth, while being in this physical plane, that we are given the honor and the privilege of creating new life, of giving birth to a new human being, to create new people, in a similar way as God creates spiritual beings. We will not be able to exercise any such birth giving creation of other beings while in any other plane of existence.

Does God create spiritual entities-beings with his Mind or with his Love?

How should we create new children on this Earth?

I strongly believe that this privilege should be exercised with the highest Love vibration. Especially, keeping in mind the fact that we would not be able to participate in such an acts of creation when we graduate to any higher spheres of existence.

[Werp Weg Alles]

So melody,

Do you in the end feel that God is mind or unconditional love?  Wouldn't it make more sense if it was a combination of both?

Werp

[melody]

Hello Werp.

I am still thinking about it...

Maybe some other members of this forum can tell us what they think about this.   

[Werp Weg Alles]

It would be rather nice......

Anyone have some opinions?

I don't know what I think God is yet. Various sources say various things, and while lots of Adrian's book resonated with me personally, I haven't yet found the explanation of God and the whole mind vs love type situation that just..clicks.

Werp