Mind Blowing

[Cameron]

Ok, I'm not sure there is a point to this post but I wanted to raise a few thought's I've been having 

Firstly, there is a lot of talk on these boards about very complicated physics and I would imagine not many of us (myself included) really understand most of it. The reason I say this is I was interested in what Adrian had to say about White Holes so I did a bit of reading. Turns out the theory right now is that white holes are just a mathematical concept which are not actually possible in nature when matter is added to the equation. Ok, I can see how that works. Then I come across a sentence like this:

'The negative square root solution inside the horizon represents a white hole. A white hole is a black hole running backwards in time. Just as black holes swallow things irretrievably, so also do white holes spit them out. White holes cannot exist, since they violate the second law of thermodynamics.

General Relativity is time symmetric. It does not know about the second law of thermodynamics, and it does not know about which way cause and effect go. But we do.

The negative square root solution outside the horizon represents another Universe. The wormhole joining the two separate Universes is known as the Einstein-Rosen bridge. '

How many people can actually comment with authority on a subject such as this? It's like me trying to explain the workings of a Tornado jet fighter when I only have a rudimentary knowledge of a Ford engine. (DISCLAIMER: I'm not suggesting people on this forum can't comment on subjects like this - I'm just trying to illustrate a point).

To fully understand the above sentence you really do need a LOT of knowledge about a wide variety of very complicated subjects. It seems to me that there is so much out there to try and take into account we cannot possibly understand it all intellectually. A few questions off the top of my head are:

What is dark matter / energy?
How do you do the maths in the above example?
Even if all matter is energy, and all energy comes from the source there must be underlying principles to everything - as Adrian point out if anything was down to chance the Universe would cease to exist. When I say principles I'm talking about the actual mechanics behind Causation and Karma etc., and I can't accept it's 'just because' as that is a very similar argument as made by organised religions.
If Newtonian physics is incorrect, how much of it is applicable?
What is spacetime? Is it tangible?
How about gravity, wormholes, lightspeed, dimensions, time, quanta, black holes, galaxies? etc etc etc

I could go on and on.....and this is where it gets interesting. I believe there is a scientific mechanic behing everything, but it is probably impossible for us to comprehend. As I said above it is impossible for any one person to acrue the sum of all knowledge intellectually but I believe it must be possible to understand the sum of all knowledge experientially through more 'spiritual' means. Now, if this is the case, how do you then transcribe that experience into a form that others can appreciate, partly understand and believe enough to try for themselves? Most people barely believe anything Quantum Physicists have to say, never mind getting into Metaphysics.

Hmmm. So, that's more or less what I have to say. 

Cameron

[Ew1g]

 Here is the question to which no one can give true answer: "God is perfect, absolute and stands behind the Law of Cause and Effect so Why does God created everything? That's really mind blowing.

[zensunni7]

Hello Cameron,

Just happened on this post, interesting and as you say - mind blowing.

I relate to your feelings, so much to know, so little time, and how does it all apply to me - today / Now.
The Elder physicists - Newton, Rosen, Einstein - all put ' disclaimers ' in their work, to allow for change, new discoveries, and just generally accepting their work was the best at the time they created it. As Einstein said-
" I cannot prove I ma right, but it only takes one experiment to prove me wrong. "
So they were all well aware of a changing Universe, even with absolute Laws contained within its creative structure.
There are as many theory's of everything as there are scientists thinking on it. The mathematics of it all are best left to those wit the mind to understand its meaning and then translate it to me in a mode I can comprehend. I have read Steven Hawking's work for years, and still remain a child of his intellectual comprehension of the equations - but I would suggest to him that if he had more faith in broader concepts of the Universe and not be so intent on the numbers within his equations, he may not be talking through a computer and confined to his wheel chair.

I read such things primarily to ' feel ' what it awakens within me. I desire to know the idea of quantum physics, to be honest, because it validated much of my spiritual education and appeased the intellect of my mind, it created a harmonious marriage of mind and Soul within me somehow, and how feel to irrelevance after feeling the balance it leaves within me.
I don't need to know how the engine works to drive, nor the intricacy's of this computer to be at this forum - too much detail my friend, way too much. There is also the reality that learning all the workings of this computer will find me emerging to a new generation leaving my knowledge pretty much obsolete.

Adrian is not a physicist, so I suspect his theory's are based in what he ' felt ' while researching such matters, the " Yes- that makes perfect sense to me, while coupled with a feeling of - YES, it just feels so correct " Though I am in no way speaking for him here.
My spiritual practices led me to the sciences by way of the inescapable reality that the inner Universe of each Human Being is the same as the one we are discussing here, and what a wondrous time it is to be alive with greater technologies to peer into both and see life alive in every peek we are privy to.

I don't debate the theory's as each one serves the individual mind in a totally different manner according to their own understanding and desire for application.
I only love the science of creation and the Universe, like watching a child being birthed into life, there is not a dry eye in the room, just by the sheer joy of the energy in the room.
I never really viewed God as a creator in the classic sense. I always felt it was the power behind the creation, a bestowal of life - period, and then a release to its own evolution of desire and intent. " There ya go little buddy - go and grow, I am anxious to see what you become " sort of a feeling.
A consciousness that live in the beginning of the creation and within it also. I seriously doubt God ever pondered the existence of God, just awe in the first breath of life
Ahh - on the in
Umm on the out

" In the beginning was the word and the word was ~ OM ~ I AM."

WithIn Love
Darrell

[Adrian]

Hello Cameron,

Thank you for that contribution.

And yes I am not a physicist per se - I am actually highly qualified in physical and organic chemistry as a former scientist - but that is by the by.

It it a good idea to look at these issues from a Metaphysics perspective.

As above, so below.

If black holes exist then white holes must also exist. Energy can neither be created or destroyed. I have read that scientists have only just started to look for white holes, but acknowledge they do exist along with the worm holes that connect them.

As the saying goes: "Lack of evidence does not mean evidence of lack".

Scientists only start looking for things they believe might exist.

From a Universal perspective, in a perfect Universe which is always in harmony and balance, white holes must exist even if they are not understood.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[wavepsychic]

Hello Adrian, Cameron, Ew1g and Darrell, its nice to have such brilliant minds together.

Cameron let me try to help you with your confusion. I am not good at math, all math does is "give proof". However many scientist start with assumptions and build on that mathematically. This is where math fails.

I believe a "Black Hole" is a Hydrogen Factory. I like Neal Adams model where the center of the "Black Hole" pulls the time space field apart into Electrons and Positrons. The result is Electrons and Protons. There is a reason why the Universe is filled with light elements. A Galaxy is a Cosmic Hurricane. Dark Matter doesn't exist. Its just a Hypothesis they came up with when there equations were wrong. They assume that a galaxy is supposed to spin much slower as to validate there Hypothesis of how the Universe was "Created". Most of Science is wrong, and the Universe was never "Created" nor is it Static.

Here is the question to which no one can give true answer: "God is perfect, absolute and stands behind the Law of Cause and Effect so Why does God created everything? That's really mind blowing.

God didn't create everything or anything at all for that matter. It then wouldn't be wise to call him the Creator. I call it the Tao. Everything is simply an unbalanced aspect of the one great thing. Order within order. It is then the Unordered order that causes and effects.

As Einstein said-
" I cannot prove I am right, but it only takes one experiment to prove me wrong. "

I love Einsteins Quotes, thank you Darrell for that one.

Hello Cameron,

Thank you for that contribution.

And yes I am not a physicist per se - I am actually highly qualified in physical and organic chemistry as a former scientist - but that is by the by.

It it a good idea to look at these issues from a Metaphysics perspective.

As above, so below.

If black holes exist then white holes must also exist. Energy can neither be created or destroyed. I have read that scientists have only just started to look for white holes, but acknowledge they do exist along with the worm holes that connect them.

As the saying goes: "Lack of evidence does not mean evidence of lack".

Scientists only start looking for things they believe might exist.

From a Universal perspective, in a perfect Universe which is always in harmony and balance, white holes must exist even if they are not understood.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

I love how you were qualified in physical and organic chemistry. Yes a white whole must exist if there is a black whole. Its the Universal Law of Polarity. If you think about it Male and Female has to exist for the other to exist. Take a pine tree. Its Male on top Female on the bottom. Its nature and its how it reproduces. The black whole Pulls in the Time Space Field and all that occupy it. Its center throws out a Jet of high charged particles "Electrons" "Positrons". There is your white hole. Not much of a whole and it wouldn't be a whole. Can it be this simple. Yes it can it doesn't need to be anything else.

Just sharing my thoughts. PS one of the many altered Big Bang Theories include one black whole that swallowed everything and exploded.

[HareOm]

Here is the question to which no one can give true answer: "God is perfect, absolute and stands behind the Law of Cause and Effect so Why does God created everything? That's really mind blowing.

While you say no one can answer it , and it is so for you because you say so

I see clear answers ,

creation ?
 , what are the answers you think of ?
What are answers are those real ?

Osho says , believe nothing, think nothing, that's how you KNOW,
philosophy, not knowing, but asking,
Plato says, the forms, the forms, the forms...... it is beyond mere speculation, thinking, or theories, it is the mysticism, coming in, to work and create ideas

so

for

physics

i wonder, what is physics for, or science, because the physicists, with their quantum physics, metaphysics, they are learning, things we already know, the Rishis knew, the Tibetans knew, many people knew,
some knew better than others, I for one, say, the Hindus had the highest understanding of cosmological science  (lest there be hiding groups ? ) and brought this knowledge to share with All
other people knew and did not share, then, some knew, but not as deeply ,

space travel, is done, with the mind, not with a ship, you see ? they did it, with the mind, they could move their bodies,
so why is science so silly then, to take so long to catch up, to what is already known ? or is it a miracle ? yes, both!

or neither!

my thoughts thunk.

[wavepsychic]

Hi HareOm

i wonder, what is physics for, or science, because the physicists, with their quantum physics, metaphysics, they are learning, things we already know, the Rishis knew, the Tibetans knew, many people knew,
some knew better than others, I for one, say, the Hindus had the highest understanding of cosmological science  (lest there be hiding groups ? ) and brought this knowledge to share with All
other people knew and did not share, then, some knew, but not as deeply ,

When we descended into the Dark Ages toward Materialism our "Psychic Gifts" were lost. Materialistic people are close minded. They must take the "Back door" into true knowing and that is what science is for. Its just part of the awakening.

[MinaLaura]

Hi HareOm

i wonder, what is physics for, or science, because the physicists, with their quantum physics, metaphysics, they are learning, things we already know, the Rishis knew, the Tibetans knew, many people knew,
some knew better than others, I for one, say, the Hindus had the highest understanding of cosmological science  (lest there be hiding groups ? ) and brought this knowledge to share with All
other people knew and did not share, then, some knew, but not as deeply ,

When we descended into the Dark Ages toward Materialism our "Psychic Gifts" were lost. Materialistic people are close minded. They must take the "Back door" into true knowing and that is what science is for. Its just part of the awakening.

Hello Louis

I could not agree more. Yet, I am thankful to all those scientists for making it possible for me to have a computer which is like a window that opens my vision to all of US, images from space that brings into my awareness the amazing and spectacular infinity of the Universe, the DNA knowledge and so on.
Truly if not for the science knowledge to boost my awakening process I would have forever scorned at the church dogma and bizarre Tibetan stories. So, yeah I guess you are perfectly correct.

what science is for. Its just part of the awakening.[/quote]



love - Laura

[wavepsychic]

Laura I am glad you agree

Hi HareOm

i wonder, what is physics for, or science, because the physicists, with their quantum physics, metaphysics, they are learning, things we already know, the Rishis knew, the Tibetans knew, many people knew,
some knew better than others, I for one, say, the Hindus had the highest understanding of cosmological science  (lest there be hiding groups ? ) and brought this knowledge to share with All
other people knew and did not share, then, some knew, but not as deeply ,

When we descended into the Dark Ages toward Materialism our "Psychic Gifts" were lost. Materialistic people are close minded. They must take the "Back door" into true knowing and that is what science is for. Its just part of the awakening.

Hello Louis

I could not agree more. Yet, I am thankful to all those scientists for making it possible for me to have a computer which is like a window that opens my vision to all of US, images from space that brings into my awareness the amazing and spectacular infinity of the Universe, the DNA knowledge and so on.
Truly if not for the science knowledge to boost my awakening process I would have forever scorned at the church dogma and bizarre Tibetan stories. So, yeah I guess you are perfectly correct.

what science is for. Its just part of the awakening.[/quote]



love - Laura

Forget not, The Internet was born of Taoist Philosophies. With out Lao Tzu we wouldn't have the internet. I was once a Materialistic one who could trust only Science and Proof. Without Adrian's book with the Science section I might not have bridged Science and Philosophy.

[HareOm]

Hi HareOm

i wonder, what is physics for, or science, because the physicists, with their quantum physics, metaphysics, they are learning, things we already know, the Rishis knew, the Tibetans knew, many people knew,
some knew better than others, I for one, say, the Hindus had the highest understanding of cosmological science  (lest there be hiding groups ? ) and brought this knowledge to share with All
other people knew and did not share, then, some knew, but not as deeply ,

When we descended into the Dark Ages toward Materialism our "Psychic Gifts" were lost. Materialistic people are close minded. They must take the "Back door" into true knowing and that is what science is for. Its just part of the awakening.

Hello Louis

I could not agree more. Yet, I am thankful to all those scientists for making it possible for me to have a computer which is like a window that opens my vision to all of US, images from space that brings into my awareness the amazing and spectacular infinity of the Universe, the DNA knowledge and so on.
Truly if not for the science knowledge to boost my awakening process I would have forever scorned at the church dogma and bizarre Tibetan stories. So, yeah I guess you are perfectly correct.

what science is for. Its just part of the awakening.[/quote]



love - Laura

it is True
we are making an open source religion
that is not religious
 we are organizing and rediscovering communication !

[wavepsychic]

HI HareOm

t is True
we are making an open source religion
that is not religious
 we are organizing and rediscovering communication !

Yes but most importantly it is becoming more difficult for the powers at be to control our source of information.