Mind–Consciousness–Oneness - from God or Neurological Brain?

[melody]

"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men". -- Matthew 15:9

Worship implies an egotistical God who requires "praise" and recognition for God's works.  The truth is we are God, so why would we worship ourselves?

Hello Adrian,

Maybe we are God (though I don't think so) but we are not the Source itself, only a small part of it. We are not even Angels, not even Ascending Masters.

The verse that precedes the one of Matthew that you quote is as following
Mat 15:8  This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Worshiping in vain means that God is not in people's hearts, and not that the Source should not be regarded with respect and devotion. Also, there is nothing wrong with being devoted to oneself, to one's Spirit and Soul, to one's spiritual journey, and to worshiping one's path back to God.

[melody]

Hello Adrian,

... there is no doubt that many of the most famous and brilliant scientists stated, quite categorically, that they did not originate the ideas that led to their greatest inventions.

I appreciate what you are saying, but maybe this was only an illusion those scientists had. Our brain may be the most complex computer, and it needs to work on its own once given the instructions what problem to solve. It needs to retrieve from all the memory files stored in the brain, all the relevant data, and go through many permutations and reassembly of those data to find the solution. This “computation” does not require a person’s conscious attention, actually it does much better when there is no conscious attention which would limit its functioning. Therefore a person gets an impression that he did not come with the solution and was given it, since he did not actively pursue all the “computations” and was not aware how they were performed. He might have been presented with a solution in a same way as a computer would provide a solution to a problem.

I have seen TV programs where people have been found to have no brain at all, but yet they function as completely normal people in every respect. They are found to have a spine and brain stem, with only a tiny sphere where the brain should have developed.  I saw another program where a person has had half is head blown away, but was fine because the brain was so small it was not affected.

I heard a bout the brain being able to compensate with other parts of the brain for the functions lost because of an injury to the brain.

In another section of this forum  (Our Ultimate Reality/ Where does the souls – spirit reside?) You give us numerous levels of Mind that exist at the level of a human being. I wonder if in severe injuries to the brain all the other remaining Mind levels might simply take over and this is why such “miraculous” situations occur as described in your quote above?

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

I appreciate what you are saying, but maybe this was only an illusion those scientists had.

Many scientists and indeed others who have been responsible for great innovations have reported the same thing.  The brain cannot originate thought.

There are single celled and other simple organisms that do not even have a brain, as well as plants, but they still display a type of intelligence.  The brain became necessary and evolved simply to manage the biological functions of a complex physical organism.

In another section of this forum  (Our Ultimate Reality/ Where does the souls – spirit reside?) You give us numerous levels of Mind that exist at the level of a human being. I wonder if in severe injuries to the brain all the other remaining Mind levels might simply take over and this is why such “miraculous” situations occur as described in your quote above?

The brain and the Mind are seperate. Mind encompasses the entire body.  The brain may well be able to adapt in the context of maintaining the function of the body, but the interface is still damaged.  If you have a TV set, which includes a receiver, and the receiver circuits become damaged or malfunction, then the TV will not display a clear picture or sound.

Kind regards,

Adrian.
 

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Maybe we are God (though I don't think so) but we are not the Source itself, only a small part of it. We are not even Angels, not even Ascending Masters.

We are expressions of Source. You could argue that does not make us Source, but that depends how you look at it. We are not separate from Source, God in a religious sense who see God as an external deity ruling over all creation.

We also have all the powers and characteristics of Source - people only differ in the degree to which they can realise those powers.

Worshiping in vain means that God is not in people's hearts, and not that the Source should not be regarded with respect and devotion. Also, there is nothing wrong with being devoted to oneself, to one's Spirit and Soul, to one's spiritual journey, and to worshiping one's path back to God.

The whole concept of "worshipping" implies devotion to a separate entity that desires, or at least responds to "praise" etc which of course is simply not true.

There is definitely nothing wrong with being devoted to ones-self and Spiritual journey providing that we also recognise the fact that selfless service to others before service to self is also fundamental.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Many scientists and indeed others who have been responsible for great innovations have reported the same thing. 
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The brain and the Mind are seperate. Mind encompasses the entire body. nd regards,

Hello Adrian

Since it is Mind that thinks, without any help from Brain (according to you) then it could be the collective Mind of a person’s  body that thinks and has ideas, and not an outside downloading Mental Plane of a Collective Mind since no one in the humanity might have generated such thought or ideas thought yet. (You said previously that the ideas came form the Human Collective Mental Plane.) Therefore a scientist would have a hard time to pin point where from the though or an image of his invention came from, from which part of his body - our whole body, where our Spirit resides, might be a giant computer.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Since it is Mind that thinks, without any help from Brain (according to you) then it could be the collective Mind of a person’s  body that thinks and has ideas, and not an outside downloading Mental Plane of a Collective Mind since no one in the humanity might have generated such thought or ideas thought yet. (You said previously that the ideas came form the Human Collective Mental Plane.) Therefore a scientist would have a hard time to pin point where from the though or an image of his invention came from, from which part of his body - our whole body, where our Spirit resides, might be a giant computer.

Thoughts and Ideas are different. We, in the form of Mind, originate thoughts which influence our experience at every level.

Cogito, ergo sum - I think therefore I am -- Descartes.

We attract Ideas in accordance with our thought processes. Every thought has a vibration which attracts ideas of a matching vibration on the Mental Plane of the Human Mind.

Thoughts are projected, Ideas are received.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Thoughts are projected, Ideas are received.

So who creates ideas in the Human Mental Plane? You said before that that Mental Plane contains collective human ideas. But somebody had to originate them.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

So who creates ideas in the Human Mental Plane? You said before that that Mental Plane contains collective human ideas. But somebody had to originate them.

I actually said that an Idea is a collection of thoughts drawn together by a very similar vibration.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

The collection of thoughts does not make an idea. Separate thougts have to be arrange into a "system" - a blueprint - to make a coherent sense. Just drawing similar thoughts together does not produce a logical system. So who or what organizes the thoughts into ideas - blueprints?

[melody]

Earlier in this thread you claimed that one receives ideas from a Mental Plane. That that was a plane where all the human thoughts reside. You said that a human brain cannot have a thought and cannot generate ideas, that all of it comes from some level of the Mind. We obviously only receive selected thoughts and ideas at a time. For instance, we do not receive all the horrific thoughts of those who are tortured, or those who torture. It appears, that there might be different planes of thoughts. So the thoughts of engineers would not reside on the same plane as the thoughts of Buddhists Monks. You did say that there were many levels of Mental Planes. Therefore, the metaphysical thoughts might also reside on their own plane.

You said that you never read much, and your OUR was inspired by the Source, and came from God himself.

Yet many inventors also feel and claim of being inspired, an “AHA’ moment. I know quite a few fiction writers, and they definitely feel inspired, many of them feel that the ideas come to them as if from the outside, they flow by themselves, the characters are formed and start behaving as on their own, and not author’s volition. Yet those fiction writings had never existed before, the authour are creating them anew.

So which mental plane would inspire a fictional writing? Not all of them write the same kinds of books, some are horror stuff, some are everyday, and some are inspirational.

Is it possible that you were equally inspired and received the ideas for OUR from the Mental Metaphysical Plane, where human metaphysical ideas reside? How can you be certain that it was not from this plane where from you received your inspiration, but actually from God himself?

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Earlier in this thread you claimed that one receives ideas from a Mental Plane. That that was a plane where all the human thoughts reside. You said that a human brain cannot have a thought and cannot generate ideas, that all of it comes from some level of the Mind. We obviously only receive selected thoughts and ideas at a time. For instance, we do not receive all the horrific thoughts of those who are tortured, or those who torture. It appears, that there might be different planes of thoughts. So the thoughts of engineers would not reside on the same plane as the thoughts of Buddhists Monks. You did say that there were many levels of Mental Planes. Therefore, the metaphysical thoughts might also reside on their own plane.

You said that you never read much, and your OUR was inspired by the Source, and came from God himself.

Yet many inventors also feel and claim of being inspired, an “AHA’ moment. I know quite a few fiction writers, and they definitely feel inspired, many of them feel that the ideas come to them as if from the outside, they flow by themselves, the characters are formed and start behaving as on their own, and not author’s volition. Yet those fiction writings had never existed before, the authour are creating them anew.

So which mental plane would inspire a fictional writing? Not all of them write the same kinds of books, some are horror stuff, some are everyday, and some are inspirational.

Is it possible that you were equally inspired and received the ideas for OUR from the Mental Metaphysical Plane, where human metaphysical ideas reside? How can you be certain that it was not from this plane where from you received your inspiration, but actually from God himself?

I wish you would consider doing two things:

1. Phrase your posts in a non-questioning, non-confrontational manner. It does not bother me in the slightest, but you are not vibrating in tune with a genuine desire to learn - only to challenge and debunk - even if you do not mean it.

2. Read my previous posts that I have spent much time writing in answers to your other questions before asking questions like this.

The causal sphere of the Mental Plane is the sphere of "ideas" - this is where thoughts of a similar vibration aggregate to become ideas.

Ideas are ideas - not knowledge in and of itself. Even though the ideas may be based in knowledge.

It is true that many fictional books are "channeled" from an inner plane - Harry Potter for example which "came to J K Rowling while sitting on a train, and she started to write it down on a napkin I think it was. Even now she has to write in pen in places like that to receive the story line.

At that time J K Rowling was a very hard up single mother who was really struggling. She had a great desire to write, completely capitulated to Source, and now, just a few years later, is one of the wealthiest women in the World. She is also an extremely generous, humble and sincere person.

Now these may be ideas, but they are more likely to originate from her Higher Self or even another Being.

Inspiration are not ideas it is the pure knowledge, or as the Bible would have it "Word" of God.

These might only seem like fairly subtle differences, but believe me they are not, and are unmistakable - especially Inspiration.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
 

[melody]

Hello Adrian,

This is not a question... 

The thoughts aggregate in the mental plane to become ideas. I do understand how the similar thoughts could aggregate, however, I don't understand by which principle would they become and idea. Those separate thoughts need to be analysed and synthesised and selected (parts of them maybe truncated) to form a coherent idea, a structured whole. The separate thoughts are not a whole, they are just that - the separate thoughts. I therefore presume that the Causal Mental Plane is a self thinking entity that does the synthesis of the individual thoughts and structuring them into one unifies idea. That would imply, though, that the Mental Plane is a living thinking entity of some sort... Is that a correct assumption? Actually, I should not be asking questions so I am going to rephrase it: I presume this is a correct assumption.

Earler in this thread I did raise this issue about the Mental Plane being a living entity, but you did not express your opinion. ..  So maybe this is why I am still not getting it.   

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Hello Adrian,

This is not a question... 

The thoughts aggregate in the mental plane to become ideas. I do understand how the similar thoughts could aggregate, however, I don't understand by which principle would they become and idea. Those separate thoughts need to be analysed and synthesised and selected (parts of them maybe truncated) to form a coherent idea, a structured whole. The separate thoughts are not a whole, they are just that - the separate thoughts. I therefore presume that the Causal Mental Plane is a self thinking entity that does the synthesis of the individual thoughts and structuring them into one unifies idea. That would imply, though, that the Mental Plane is a living thinking entity of some sort... Is that a correct assumption.

I did raise before this issue about the Menatl Plane being a living entity, but you did not answer it. ..  So maybe this is why I am still not getting it.   

Each thought has a very specific vibration. Collections of such thoughts therefore attract each other just as similar vibrations always attract - indeed it is the very basis of Spiritual Growth - we are attracted to the plane of vibration that exactly matches the vibration of our Spiritual body.

The entire Universe is One infinite living entity.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[melody]

OK, I get it. Other beings can synthesize and form ideas but our Mind cannot. This is quite disappointing because I thought we were really more God-like.

[aspect]

Absolute Truth exists. To assert otherwise is an oxymoron - the one making the assertion would be stating an absolute.

Truth exists in and of Itself. It cannot be inverted. A diamond can have many facets, and yet none of those facets IS the diamond. The diamond exists independent of its facets, but no facet exists apart from the diamond.

Mind expresses itself with thoughts, but the thoughts are not the Mind. The Idea is perfect and absolute. The Idea gives rise to vibrations, but the vibrations are not the Idea. The Idea exists apart from any vibration or expression of it, and apart from any thought about it, for the Idea is not dependent upon any other thing to give Itself existence.

All are in the One, but only the One is in all. The One exists without the all, but the all do not exist without the One.

The One is Being. The One is Spirit. The One is Life. Life begets life, and gives birth to life. Life is always springing forth with more life.

The One is the Giver of all Life. It is the nature of the One to love, because the One is Love. The One gives life to all and seeks the good of all, for that is the expression of the One, the nature of Being.

Being is without beginning or end. The One created all things. Apart from the One, nothing was created that has been created. All things derive their existence from the One, but none of the things created are the One.

Any created being that separates itself from the One, separates itself from Love and no longer seeks the good of all and tends toward death, because it separates itself from Life, the Life that is the basis of all being. To separate ones self from Life will ultimately bring death, and that is darkness. In death there is no longer any growth, nor any vibration aspiring to growth. The Light brings about vibration, therefore I said that death is darkness.

The nature of all living beings that choose to separate themselves from the One is to gravitate toward an end of all vibration, for they have derived this tendency from the One, who is Life. It is the nature of evil to judge itself and bring itself to an end. All are operating in the one Mind, and it is the one Mind bringing death to an end, for that is the immutable nature of Being.

Seek life and not death.