Mind–Consciousness–Oneness - from God or Neurological Brain?

[Baki Hanma]

I personally know beyond all doubt that my own writings are true, because I have that level of connection when needed.  Of course I don't expect everyone to accept everything I say to be true necessarily - everyone must decide for themselves - but everyone does recognise the truth when they see it without doubt - all it requires is an open Mind.

So you can enter this state at will when you begin your writtings or it comes whenever it does?

[melody]

The ideas did not arrive from Source - they arrive from the Causal Sphere of the Mental Plane from the Realm of Ideas.

Hello Adrian,

Is it from the Causal Sphere of the Mental Plane from where you get all OUR ideas?

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Is it from the Causal Sphere of the Mental Plane from where you get all OUR ideas?

Yes - that is why it is called the "Mental Plane" in fact.

Our brain cannot and does not originate ideas - it is best thought of in fact as a sort of "radio antenna" - we are all receiving stations for these ideas that originate on the mental plane.

Very often if someone receives what seems to be an original and good idea but fail to act upon it, sooner or later someone else  receives the same idea and does act upon it receiving all the credit for it.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Yes - that is why it is called the "Mental Plane" in fact.

Our brain cannot and does not originate ideas - it is best thought of in fact as a sort of "radio antenna" - we are all receiving stations for these ideas that originate on the mental plane.

Very often if someone receives what seems to be an original and good idea but fail to act upon it, sooner or later someone else  receives the same idea and does act upon it receiving all the credit for it.

Hello Adrian,

Could the Mental Plane then be viewed as some type of an entity, a being, whose function it is to generate and storehouse all the ideas, and then “feed” them to the human beings?

If absolutely all thoughts and ideas do not originate in a person’s brain but are simply received by him from the Mental Plane, and since the Mental Plane is the same, the common one for all the human beings because we are all connected at that level, that would also mean that not only the good ideas are received from there but also all the evil thoughts and ideas are also being received from the same Mental Plane. It would also imply that all the believe systems are also being received from the same Mental Plane, since people by themselves do not originate any thoughts or believe systems.

As you mentioned above, even discoverers and scientists like Newton receive their ideas from the same Mental Plane. Yet often those ideas and theories are found later on insufficient and are overturned by some other ideas also received from the Mental Plane. For quite a while, people received the idea that the world was flat. Then they received the idea that Earth was the center of the Universe and that absolutely everything rotated around Earth, and then came all sorts of other ideas they received from the Mental Plane that were later found insufficient and even invalid, although those ides were believed by people beyond any doubt for a while and thought to be the truth.

So basically many scientific ideas, even such received by those of the "Newtonian" caliber, ideas that were believed and then discarted, amounted to nothing more than temporary believe systems.

Could the Mental Plane be playing games with us? Why does the Mental Plane generate erroneous believe systems or evil thoughts and believes? By doing so, it introduces erroneous and discordant vibrations into existence that affects everything that is, including us. Maybe people would have never vibrated on low levels were it not for this polluting emission thoughout Cosmos of low vibrating thoughts and ideas conceived by the Mental Plane.
 
Since you receive the OUR information from the same Mental Plane, could what you receive be simply another believe system?

And, by the way, this is not my question, but a question from our Mental Plane - our unified Mental Plane.   

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Could the Mental Plane then be viewed as some type of an entity, a being, whose function it is to generate and storehouse all the ideas, and then “feed” them to the human beings?

What we have to understand is that beyond the illusions of time and space of the physical world, there is only Now. In addition - the defintion of an "idea" is not easy to define, because a single "Thought Fom" could be interpreted by different people in different ways.

As Spirits we do "think" and therefore generate thoughts which are Causal - that is to say each thought has a corresponding effect as well as being stored in the Mental Plane of the Universe.  A thought however is not necessarily an idea at the same time - in fact an "idea" could best be thought of as a collection of thoughts.  Each thought has its own vibration which are attracted to thoughts of a similar vibration - like the Law of Attraction, and this is how ideas come in to Being.

That said - there is no doubt that many of the most famous and brilliant scientists stated, quite categorically, that they did not originate the ideas that led to their greatest inventions.

If absolutely all thoughts and ideas do not originate in a person’s brain but are simply received by him from the Mental Plane, and since the Mental Plane is the same, the common one for all the human beings because we are all connected at that level, that would also mean that not only the good ideas are received from there but also all the evil thoughts and ideas are also being received from the same Mental Plane.

There is no such thing as "good" and "evil" - they are human concepts.

As you mentioned above, even discoverers and scientists like Newton receive their ideas from the same Mental Plane. Yet often those ideas and theories are found later on insufficient and are overturned by some other ideas also received from the Mental Plane. For quite a while, people received the idea that the world was flat. Then they received the idea that Earth was the center of the Universe and that absolutely everything rotated around Earth, and then came all sorts of other ideas they received from the Mental Plane that were later found insufficient and even invalid, although those ides were believed by people beyond any doubt for a while and thought to be the truth.

That is true. Ideas do not necessarily need to be accurate - that is for the receiver to accept or reject. I think these great scientists simply recognised the great ideas which they probably attracted by their thought processes along the same vibration.

Could the Mental Plane be playing games with us?

No - the Mental Plane simply Is. It is a sort of reservoir of ideas of all types. And what might seem like a "bad idea" to one might be a "good idea" to another.

Since you receive the OUR information from the same Mental Plane, could what you receive be simply another believe system?

OUR is written as a result of over 40 years of seeking, finding and experience with knowledge arriving through many means. But OUR is based on knowledge, not ideas and come from a "higher" Source.  An "idea" is an abstract collection of thoughts whereas Knowledge and therefor truth is absolute.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Hello Adrian,

Does it mean that not all thoughts are downloaded from the Mental Plane but we actually create them and think for ourselves? If we do, how does the Spirit generate them independently of the Mental Plane, since you claim it is not our brain that generates thoughts and ideas.

If there is no such thing as “good” and “evil” and they are just human concept that came from our own Spirit, then by which criteria the vibration level of a person would be determined? We would not be able to determine which are higher or lower vibrations and what they are based on, since a thought is generic, and not good or bad. How is one to know then which thoughts would generate low vibrations and which would generate higher vibration? In case murderous thought generate lower vibrations than we are justified to call them bad. And if spiritual thoughts generate higher vibrations, then we are justified to call them good, since higher vibrations would ultimately lead us back to the Source. Is being lead back to the source “good”?  If it is not “good”, then there is no point in trying and get there .Whey should we, everything is equal. But if it is something to aspire for, there is no harm in calling it “good” -  as a navigational compass. In that case one has to have some type of a judgment ability.

If one cannot say that the killer vibrates with lower vibration because of  his “bad” thoughts, aspirations and deeds because there is no bad, then one cannot say that a spiritual seeker vibrates with a higher frequency because of his “good” thoughts and aspirations.

What would make a person vibrate with high frequency? I know you would say that God realization would make him vibrate with high frequency. Does that mean that everybody else, who still has not realized God therefore vibrates with basically pretty uniform frequency regardless of the fact whether a person is a serial killer, or a devoted spiritual person? If one however accepts that such individuals vibrate at different frequencies, what would be the cause of it, since good or bad does not exist, and therefore there is nothing, no criteria to affect the vibration level of an individual. Then we are totally in the dark as to what thoughts to avoid thinking or which deeds to avoid in order not to lower our vibration.

Knowledge comes and is expressed in concepts, which are also thought forms. God created everything with a word. As you yourself have told us, all came about as a result of the God’s though form. Therefore, knowing the God’s creation would equal to knowing God’s though form. Knowledge is therefore a thought – a thought form. Are you saying that God’s thoughts are special and do not reside in the Mental Plane or interpenetrate that Plane since you said that one cannot get this type of knowledge from the Mental Plane? Where does one get it from? I still believe though that God’s thoughts are everywhere and therefore also in the Mental Plane.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Does it mean that not all thoughts are downloaded from the Mental Plane but we actually create them and think for ourselves? If we do, how does the Spirit generate them independently of the Mental Plane, since you claim it is not our brain that generates thoughts and ideas.

Yes we certainly think for ourselves - our thoughts become our reality, so thought and Mind are Principle.

But ideas are not thoughts. Thoughts originate from us as individuals, ideas originate on the Mental Plane of the Human Mind and are the product of a cllection of thoughts that have been drawn together by the similarity of their vibration.

If there is no such thing as “good” and “evil” and they are just human concept that came from our own Spirit, then by which criteria the vibration level of a person would be determined?

There are no criteria as such. Vibration is a fundamental characteristic of Energy - it is humans that choose to put labels on things.

For example, most people regard the terrorist organisations that hide behind Islam as "evil" and the Roman Catholic Church as pure and good. But in fact compared to the latter, history clearly records that the former is positively saintly.  It is all a matter of how humans choose to see things as opposed to how they actually are.

We would not be able to determine which are higher or lower vibrations and what they are based on, since a thought is generic, and not good or bad. How is one to know then which thoughts would generate low vibrations and which would generate higher vibration? In case murderous thought generate lower vibrations than we are justified to call them bad.

We know through our emotions. This is why we have emotions. Feeling joyful, elated, happy etc are high vibrations, feeling depressed, jealous, hate etc are low vibrations.

But even these vibrations are relative.

There is no "good" or "evil" - only experience.

And if spiritual thoughts generate higher vibrations, then we are justified to call them good, since higher vibrations would ultimately lead us back to the Source. Is being lead back to the source “good”?  If it is not “good”, then there is no point in trying and get there .Whey should we, everything is equal. But if it is something to aspire for, there is no harm in calling it “good” -  as a navigational compass. In that case one has to have some type of a judgment ability.

You still wish to put labels on things. Everyone is on the Divine path back to Source. Beyond the physical plane their are levels of vibrations that are far beyond the remotest comprehension of most humans, and to which even the highest human vibration would seem like a very low vibration. It is all relative.

If one cannot say that the killer vibrates with lower vibration because of  his “bad” thoughts, aspirations and deeds because there is no bad, then one cannot say that a spiritual seeker vibrates with a higher frequency because of his “good” thoughts and aspirations.

Again it is all relative. Humans use words like "good" and "bad" but in reality there are only degrees of vibration of the One Source Energy.

We do not "seek a higher vibration" - we rather seek evolution and perfection, which in turn gives gives rise to higher Vibration.

What would make a person vibrate with high frequency? I know you would say that God realization would make him vibrate with high frequency. Does that mean that everybody else, who still has not realized God therefore vibrates with basically pretty uniform frequency regardless of the fact whether a person is a serial killer, or a devoted spiritual person? If one however accepts that such individuals vibrate at different frequencies, what would be the cause of it, since good or bad does not exist, and therefore there is nothing, no criteria to affect the vibration level of an individual. Then we are totally in the dark as to what thoughts to avoid thinking or which deeds to avoid in order not to lower our vibration.

As I mentioned above, high emotions, perfection, God realisation and much more gives rise to a higher vibration of our individual Energy Field.

Knowledge comes and is expressed in concepts, which are also thought forms. God created everything with a word. As you yourself have told us, all came about as a result of the God’s though form. Therefore, knowing the God’s creation would equal to knowing God’s though form. Knowledge is therefore a thought – a thought form. Are you saying that God’s thoughts are special and do not reside in the Mental Plane or interpenetrate that Plane since you said that one cannot get this type of knowledge from the Mental Plane? Where does one get it from? I still believe though that God’s thoughts are everywhere and therefore also in the Mental Plane.

It is impossible to know Gods creation because it is so infinite beyond comprehension. Only God can fully comprehend God' creation.

Knowledge and creation are not the same. God created the infrastructure of the Universe and then populated it with an infinite expressions, aspects, fragments of God's Self. These apspects of God's Self are free thinking. Inspired knowledge comes from the very highest Spheres which we have access to. But we can only access knowledge specific to our own situation- we cannot know all knowledge until a Spirit finally achieves the potential to reunite with God - this is the true meaning of Life.

God does not "think" in human terms - it is not even possible for most to even begin to comprehend the absolute nature of God.

The Mental Plane we are referring to is the Mental Plane of the Human Mind.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Hello Adrian,

The fact is that killing or torturing somebody might feel very good and very right to a sadistic person. It might make him feel happy. He might therefore assume he is on the right path because what he does and feels is so great. So really some absolute moral terms of what is right or wrong are required at least to convey to the person in words that killing is not all that great and lowers the vibrations. There are many cases where feeling would not be a right barometer to tell the people whether they are advancing or regressing.

Actually, sometines through depression a person might come to very deep realizations and understanding, and get insights that would not have been as easily understood otherwise. So the "negative" feeling actually could have a positive result.

Basically, I don't think that feelings are the absolute measure if one is progressing or regressing. Some very joyful and happy people are quite stagnant and are not advancing at all.

If one feels happy when somebody next to him got hurt, and the happy person just ignores this without offering a help or in order not to disturb his happy feelings - that actually might be a regression rather than an advancement.

I also do not understand your statement that terrorists are positively saintly... in comparison to anybody. The spiritual progress is not a relative matter, but an absolute one.

[Baki Hanma]

The fact is that killing or torturing somebody might feel very good and very right to a sadistic person. It might make him feel happy.

Thats exactly what I was trying to point out in one of my earlier topics. What if a killer experiences pleasure and happiness buy doing the things he does? Happiness, joy, cheerful, excited
, ect - I mean we all feel them, but some of us may experience them under different cercumstances then another. What if a killer can experience that same happiness and joy that a man feels when hitting the lottery or a mother after giving birth.

If your saying that the emotions are what determines the vibrations and not the action themselves. Then all a person really needs to do is make himself happy regardless of the action taken.

[Adrian]

Hello Meolody and Baki Hanma,

The fact is that killing or torturing somebody might feel very good and very right to a sadistic person. It might make him feel happy.

Thats exactly what I was trying to point out in one of my earlier topics. What if a killer experiences pleasure and happiness buy doing the things he does? Happiness, joy, cheerful, excited
, ect - I mean we all feel them, but some of us may experience them under different cercumstances then another. What if a killer can experience that same happiness and joy that a man feels when hitting the lottery or a mother after giving birth.

If your saying that the emotions are what determines the vibrations and not the action themselves. Then all a person really needs to do is make himself happy regardless of the action taken.

What you are saying about killers etc. may or may not be true - who knows what emotions such a killer feels. But even if the killer felt happy, that would only be a superficial emotion on top of a range of much lower and complex range emotions and therefore vibrations. Anyone contemplating harming "another", or more specifically another aspect of him or her self, clearly has an extremely low level of connection to both Source and humans generally, which is characterised by low vibration, regardless of what they feel at the time.

It is quite possible for a killer to feel happy or even justified, but there is a much more complex level of emotions and vibration involved. I do not think that "happiness" experienced by a killer would be the same as happiness as it is generally recognised, it is more likely to be a happiness relative to their own range of emotions.

Suffice it to say - everyone transitions to the sphere that most closely matches their true personality. There is no way a killer could ever transition to the mid-Astral planes where more decent people live.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Baki Hanma]

There is no way a killer could ever transition to the mid-Astral planes where more decent people live.

But then that would mean that emotions alone does not cut it and there must be some form of vibrations active or generated from the actions themselves.

But how would that explain another person who took ones life to end their suffering. I've heard many people lying in the hospital bed, where I use to work, telling their nurses to kill them and put an end to their misery. There are some who would even beg a person, sometimes someone close to them to "pull the plug" so to speak - so the can finally rest in peace. Would a person pulling that "plug" - out of love, out of sympathy and campassion be considered a killer - one who would transition to the lower worlds?

[melody]

Hello Adrian,

We know through our emotions. This is why we have emotions. Feeling joyful, elated, happy etc are high vibrations, feeling depressed, jealous, hate etc are low vibrations.
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But even these vibrations are relative.
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There is no "good" or "evil" - only experience.
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You still wish to put labels on things.
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Beyond the physical plane their are levels of vibrations that are far beyond the remotest comprehension of most humans, and to which even the highest human vibration would seem like a very low vibration. It is all relative.

We do not "seek a higher vibration" - we rather seek evolution and perfection, which in turn gives gives rise to higher Vibration.
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high emotions, perfection, God realisation and much more gives rise to a higher vibration of our individual Energy Field.

If you choose these as “appropriate” emotions to feel as a barometer of a spiritual development direction, once you separate them from other emotions as the desirable once, as opposed to the undesirable once which lead you nowhere, you create two categories. And for the simplicity’s sake, it is justified to name them somehow. Any words would be good enough for this purpose, even bad and good. One is  the type and makes you progress, the other makes you stagnate or regress. By putting emphases on those that make you progress, you basically created a label. “Evolution and perfection” are very strong labels in themselves. Perfection = good, imperfection = bad.

The Mental Plane we are referring to is the Mental Plane of the Human Mind.

If the Mental Plane is only that of collective human thoughts, and hardly anybody thinks exalting thoughts on a constant basis, and many people end up thinking many negative thoughts, why would it be more desirable, and considered higher up to end up in the Mental Plane, rather than ending up in the highest vibrating Astral Plane that of human Unconditional Love where there is no negativity at all?  If I understand correctly, the Astral Planes are those of human emotions?

Or is there some Higher Mental Plane? I did not think there was any other Mental Plane. But being in a human form, and therefore having human thoughts, we would not be able to transition to any higher than Menatl Plane of the Collective Human Mind - except for the Causal Plane, I guess?

But even if the killer felt happy, that would only be a superficial emotion on top of a range of much lower and complex range emotions and therefore vibrations.

Some solders in a war feel real exalting feelings of victory, bravery, honour and accomplishment, as well as exhilarating joy of having won the battle – I am especially talking of medieval type of battles. Yet they have killed many. Granted there might have been some with conscience who have felt a confusion of emotions, but there were many who did not. Does that make those people who only feel exulted feelings after a tough battle to be more spiritually "perfect "since they didn’t feel any negativity?

And by the way "high vibrations", "low vibrations" are also labels. You can even call them by any other names, like perfect and not-so-perfect (inperfect), or good and bad. The words you choose do not matter. Once you separate them into categories, you can call them anything really you like and it becomes a label.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

The points you make are good ones, but we are wandering into areas where human language cannot adequately describe what I would like to say. Describing the characteristics of emotion is like describing colours and shades of colours to someone without sight from birth and has never seen "colour".

When we talk about "emotions" we are really talking about Vibrations.  The physical and inner bodies of each person are constitued of pure Energy, each with a unique Vibration that represents who we Are.

It is this overall Vibration that determines where we transition to after the change known as "death".

Most people will constitute some high vibration, some low vibrations and a wide range in between.

So while a "bad" person might feel good about what they do, it doesn't alter the fact that the underlying vibrations that drive them to, e.g. harm others is very low.

For example, the highest Vibrtion is Unconditional Love and the lowset we might refer to as abject hate.

Many terrorists live close to abject hate, but believe that if they die while taking this hate out on others, they will go to "paradise" which of course makes them feel ecstatic.  "Suicide bombers" are a good example of this.

I don't think that many people such as this make conscious choices about there own evolution - they simply don't know or care about it, and in fact believe that to get where they want to be all they have to do is kill a lot of people in the name of their God.

At the final analysis the Universe is Perfect, and in that Perfection everyone is where they should be being a perfect reflection of their overall Vibration and therefore state of Evolution.

On the subject of The Mental Plane - there are an infinite number of them -even for humans - except that we cannot talk in terms of numbers - it is degrees of Vibration. Some humans are tuned in to a higher Mental Plane than others, but can also tune in to the lower ones.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Hello Melody,

The points you make are good ones, but we are wandering into areas where human language cannot adequately describe what I would like to say. Describing the characteristics of emotion is like describing colours and shades of colours to someone without sight from birth and has never seen "colour".

When we talk about "emotions" we are really talking about Vibrations. 

Hello Adrian,

This is a good point! Yet the concepts have to be explained somehow to the general populace, and therefore calling something good or bad or evil has its validity in conveying the idea as to what generates higher vibrations and what generates lower ones. The Bible should not be degraded because it is trying to explain in layman terms some basic concepts, trying to explain it to people who have no clue, no understanding of any sorts about it.

I strongly believe that even a feeling of Joy and Happiness would have its different “colours”. If one was joyful and happy because one has won a lottery would be very different vibrations than the Joy and Happiness experienced as a result of spiritual sentiment. Being concerned with going back to God, the Source, is a commitment, even a greater one than one has to one’s life’s mission, family, children or spouse. One is not only committed to those things in one’s life, but also  dedicated and devoted to them. If one can be devoted to one’s work and family and a loved one, it is only logical to be devoted to God as well, and have this devotional sentiment toward the Source. I believe that this aspect,  this “colour” that makes a great difference in the spiritual Joy and Happiness as opposed to the purely human one when winning a lottery, or winning a soccer game – is devotional feeling and devotional dedication. Such a feeling creates the higher vibrating joy and Happiness and Love.

For a lack of a better word, at the time when the scriptures were written, the “devotion” was called “worship – worshiping”. So therefore one should not be caught in the linguistics and deride the word “worship”. That word in the Bible had its function to play as to what type of joy and happiness, what type of “colour” of it one is to be experiencing to raise one’s vibrations.  And there is nothing egotistical of God stating that devotion is required.

I believe that scriptures tried to do their best to tell to the people what is involved to be on a spiritual path. No word as “vibration” existed at the time.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

The Bible should not be degraded because it is trying to explain in layman terms some basic concepts, trying to explain it to people who have no clue, no understanding of any sorts about it.

The fact is though that the Bible is not explaining things in layman terms - quite the opposite in fact. It is by being taken in literal terms that gave rise to religion and theology and its consequences of the last couple of thousand years or so.

I strongly believe that even a feeling of Joy and Happiness would have its different “colours”. If one was joyful and happy because one has won a lottery would be very different vibrations than the Joy and Happiness experienced as a result of spiritual sentiment.

"Absolutely". There are a wide range of vibrations associated with any emotion - we cannot talk of Joy and Happiness in absolute terms.

Being concerned with going back to God, the Source, is a commitment, even a greater one than one has to one’s life’s mission, family, children or spouse. One is not only committed to those things in one’s life, but also  dedicated and devoted to them. If one can be devoted to one’s work and family and a loved one, it is only logical to be devoted to God as well, and have this devotional sentiment toward the Source.

I understand your point, but being "devoted to God" is not really the right way of looking at things. We are God and therefore we can best serve God by being devoted to our own evolution which are here after all.

For a lack of a better word, at the time when the scriptures were written, the “devotion” was called “worship – worshiping”. So therefore one should not be caught in the linguistics and deride the word “worship”. That word in the Bible had its function to play as to what type of joy and happiness, what type of “colour” of it one is to be experiencing to raise one’s vibrations.  And there is nothing egotistical of God stating that devotion is required.

"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men". -- Matthew 15:9

Worship implies an egotistical God who requires "praise" and recognition for God's works.  The truth is we are God, so why would we worship ourselves?

I believe that scriptures tried to do their best to tell to the people what is involved to be on a spiritual path. No word as “vibration” existed at the time.

The scriptures, or Gospels at least, were written in terms that only those ready would understand. Jesus said this himself:

"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive, For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them". But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower". --Matthew 13:10-18

The intention was that although few would understand at that time, increasingly more people would be taught over the ages until much of humanity would be prepared for the coming Transition of the Ages.  As it happened however, Jesus and his teachings became the focal point of a dogmatic religion.

Kind regards,

Adrian.